Pokemon without particular animal bases

>>33346509
I usually like them more than the ones with an obvious inspiration, but I think the series needs both.

I still think of the Nidos as rabbits at heart, if seriously mutated into 'rabbitoids'. It's amusing to imagine it trying to hop in a run and just making the ground rumble instead.

Come to think of it... maybe that's why they got secondary ground-typing. But yeah, Nidos are ultimately mammalian and rabbitoids.

>>33346509
It's a fox wearing armor.

>>33346509
Isn't the Abra line some kind of Fox?

>>33346535
They're really just purple and blue Baragon. They're ground because Baragon is a burrowing kaiju and poison because everything and their mom was poison in Gen I.

>>33346509
>"design"
Gen one is my fav but most of the time GF just put a bunch of pixels on a GameBoy screen without much thought and then the anime guys interpreted these pixels with lots of artistic freedom before Sugimori finally drew them.
Gen 1 "designs" are just a happy coincidence.

>>33346574
I get THAT, but to me I always wondered if they were mammalian or reptilian, and ultimately figured the former.

>>33346590
I always assumed mammalian since the Nidorans always looked pretty rodent/lagomorphlike

>>33346537
>>33346563
It's a Baphomet as well.

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>>33346509

It's most noticeable with Abra, but Abra line are partially based on foxes.

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>>33346660
Literally my mom's HIUAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>33346537
>>33346563

How does that look anything like a fox besides pointy ears?

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What animal is she based on?
Beside looking extemely unpleasing in every way just like Loudres.
So far only Whismur barely looks like a rabbit head with feet.
There's a strong lore that says she's based on a nigger because it has shit tier design, is loud and learns Taunt and Torment.

>>33346891
Kindly fuck off to /pol/ where you belong.

>>33346891
bruh

>>33346590
Nidoqueen has huge tits, so I guess it is kind of hint.

>>33346509
Yeah, I like these types. They tend to be more interesting to me.

It's equally frustrating, though, since everyone autistically tries to assign each Pokemon directly to some animal, as if it has to be that, no matter what. There was a thread here a few years ago that was so sure that Metagross was a fucking crab (no, not the Arvalis stuff or whatever either). It's like how people think Lucario is Anubis for some reason. It's got literally nothing to do with Anubis, its literally just some unspecified wolf as a base.

>>33346582
Although exaggerated, this is true. A lot of people don't realize that Gen 1 designs weren't done by an art team beforehand, just by a bunch of the random devs. Thats why Gen 1 designs were so fluid before.

>>33346509
Ant

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>>33346509
These designs are some of my favorites. I also like the vaguely humanoid ones like Medicham, Hitmonlee, and Timburr. Those ones are so neat.

>>33346590
Likely a fictional mixture of both.

They're not clear cut at all. It's definitely got qualities of both. Nidoqueen tits, so they produce milk. The spines are likely modified hairs, and the ears are way more mammalian. It's general body structure has really distinct dinosaur-like qualities, and elements that are more common in reptiles, like unretractable claws.

I dont think that Gamefreak specifically designs them to be one thing or another, and they just happen to fall into place. In the case of Nidoking, its just a mix of everything.

>>33346509
Zim Zam is my favorite pokémon so yeah

>>33346509
>Abra line
Foxes, look at Kadabra's bigass tail. Alakazam is more humanoid but he's still based off of a fox.
>Nidos
Rabbits+Kaiju
>Heatran
A toad/gecko.

Just because you somehow can't tell what some pokemon are based off of doesn't mean they don't have direct sources of inspiration.

>>33346509
I've always thought of Alakazam and Gengar as the Fox and Cat from "Pinocchio"

I always interpreted the Abra line as some kind of genie creatures, especially due to their attack and recovery animation in Stadium

>>33346509

Alakazam is my favorite pokemon, but he's clearly designed after magicians and magic.

I like pokemon that stick to a theme with their design, whether it's looking like a specific animal or just a general concept. Pokemon that are just randomshit like cobalion are just shitty

>>33347164
>Foxes

They look absolutely nothing like foxes. One of the pokemon from the line has a sort of, kind of, but not really fox tail (which isn't even that unique of an identifier in an of itself), and thats pretty much where your connection stops.

>Kaiju

A Kaiju isn't an animal.

>>33346903
Are you some kind of negroid user, such rudeness.

>>33346891
>she's based on a nigger because it has shit tier design, is loud and learns Taunt and Torment.
Kek

>>33346891
Idk but it looks like it could be a honorable member of /gad/

>>33346582
> using one and 1

USE ONE OR THE OTHER DAMMNIT

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Of the newer Pokemon, there's one that IS more reminiscent of ambiguous, non-specific "monsters" of the earlier generations

reminder that if you hate Aromatisse for not being a plague doctor, you hate creativity

>>33347186

What magician looks like Abra line?
Alakazam's appearance is not a specific animal or creature, which is what OP is referring to.

And Cobalion is a markhor.

>>33347770
Well I can't speak for the actual design itself, but spoonbending was apparently the gimmick of one Uri Geller(whom the Abra line are named after in Japan). I guess he got mad that GameFreak was using his name and trick and sued them.

>>33346509
The only designs that I don't like are the "random animal + random human profession" ones.

Alola starters got hit hard with this. Owl archer and wrester cat are dumb as fuck.

>>33347141
Zim zam uses kel-tec
It's super effective!

>>33347927
Don't forget seal mermaid, that's pretty fuckin stupid too

>>33347980
Well, first of all, Primarina is a sea lion, not a seal

and second, how is mermaid a profession

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>>33346509
You're all wrong, Alakazam is based on a goat

>>33347980
I thought she was a siren

>>33348377
>she

>>33348388
>he

>>33348404
>e

>>33347164
curious about the people >>33346961 mentioned, what box is it that you try forcing chansey into?

>>33349450
Chansey? That's just some egg thing. Not all Pokemon are based off animals, but OP chose some shitty examples. Other Pokemon in this category would include Jigglypuff and Clefairy, to name a few.
>>33347201
>They look absolutely nothing like foxes
And? Being based off something doesn't mean it has to look like it 1:1. Metagross is some weird mech spider but I don't know any 4 legged spider with a metal x on it's face.
>A Kaiju isn't an animal.
Oh shit, so Golduck isn't based off a kappa? Sableye isn't based off a goblin? The thing doesn't need to exist for a Pokemon to be based off of it, there is literally an entire type dedicated to Pokemon inspired by folklore. Kaiju is just as valid as a source for Pokemon inspiration as a pixie, a yuki onna, or a set of keys.

>>33347164
Nobody said these pokemon don't have sources of inspiration you dumbfuck. OP said that these sources sometimes are multiple and less obvious. You proved his point by having to post two distinct sources of inspiration to describe the nidos and heatran

>>33347927
>The only designs that I don't like are the "random animal + random human profession" ones.
I hate the fighting types where I'm expected to believe an animal naturally evolved to be good at a human fighting style (Throh, Hawlucha, Mienshao etc.)

>>33350975
In the Pokemon world these fighting styles would be imitations of Pokemon.

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I like to think that this is a good example of nonspecific designs.

>>33348025
that's just an eqiq theory

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I love the more monster like pokemon, but the designs will always have a base on something of reality, you can call magmar a monster all you like, but a duck-like beak will always be a duck-like beak for people. I think the only kind of design I'm not that into it is the pokemo that just "exist" like vaniluxe or kling, I mean, I like vaniluxe but the thing just float there, why does it floats? how come he doesn't have levitate?

>>33350065
Chansey is clearly an Axolotl though, it got the frills, the tail and the dumb face, is not like it matters since most of the later half of gen 1 pokedex are more monster like and barely look like their real world counterparts, stuff like scyther, pinsir, tentacruel, starmie and digglet are said to be certain animals but look like aliens in comparison and that's what I love about pokemon.

>>33350975

Nowhere is it stated that the combat skills Fighting-types have were of human origin. Just because a Pokemon is inspired by something man-made in the real world, doesn't mean that's how it began in the context of the Pokemon universe. For example, Kelfki and Chandelure are natural creatures in the Pokemon universe, even if they look like every day objects to us.

>>33351027
It is literally a dog

Only tangentially related, but are the Mankey and Gligar lines the only ones that are just straight mashups of two animals?

>>33352689
Scorpionflies are actual things
As for Pig Monkeys though I've got nothing

>>33346732
Abra is the one that resembles it the most, specially since Jap 2D foxes follow the ^^ eyes meme

>>33346891
>ahaha niggers am I right fellas

Are you 14

>>33346535
they're rhinos.

Hence NidoRINO

>>33352725
That's a bat dumbass, look at the wings.

>>33347767
This.
A lot of people don't realize it's supposed to be a burlesque can-can dancer with a ballroom bird mask, something that originates in France, which is what Kalos is heavily based on.

>>33346535
Nidos are mammalian reptiles

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>>33352296
Wikipedia describes it as a 'rabbit-eared feline' so who knows famalam
inb4 >wikipedia

>>33353553
>rabbit eared feline
It's a fucking fox, all of its evolutions are foxes.

>>33353331
are you retarded anon? nidorino and rina are inspired by spanish suffixes indicating masculine or feminine

>>33346509
derp anon, thats a kanguru.

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>retards think nidoran is a rabbit
kek

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>>33353227
I always saw mankey/primeape as the abstraction of baboons just like diglet is the abstraction of a mole, they both have pink noses and are drawn pig-like just for simplicity.

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>>33353569
>all of its evolutions are foxes
Nah. They're all designed to be generic mammals, with some leaning heavily towards traits of specific animals, like how Espeon/Umbreon are a feline-esque duo, Sylveon having some aspects of a jack rabbit (pic related), or Jolteon having the longest snout out of all them, making it the most dog-like of it's counterparts.

>>33353589

>long ears
>whiskers
>buck teeth
>not a rabbit

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>>33353588
>Kanguru
That'd be a sick pokemon. Fighting/Psychic?

>>33353672
mammalian reptiles had all of those

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>>33353652
no

eevee line is foxes and espeon is literally a fennec

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>>33353674
I hope Oranguru doesn't stop that from ever happening, pretty neat pun

>>33353717

Which one had long ears?

>>33353729
Not true at all
Eevee is a basal carnivore and it's evolutions represent a variety of carnivores of both feliformes and caniformes

>>33346509

>>33353729

Espeon is a cat, it's clearly based on a fucking nekomata- a cat yokai with supernatural powers and a forked tail.

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>>33353729
>no
no u.
eevee line is generic mammals and espeon is a mothafuckin' pink nekomata.

>>33353752
>>33353755
>>33353761
>small fox evolves into foxes but one of its evolution is a cat
only pokemon fans are this retarded and need a containment board

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>>33353779

Why would Espeon have the qualities of a nekomata if it isn't one then?

>>33353779
Eevee has feline and canine features, though
Why pretend it doesn't?

>>33346563
you'rew a fox wearing armor fuck you dude

>>33353779
>a fish evolves into an octopus
>a fish evolving into a serpent (x2)
>grim reaper evolve into a cyclops mummy
>pearl oyster can evolve to two different eels
>a cloud can evolve into a bat or lion
>etc.
Alright, guess you're either baiting or absolutely retarded.

>>33353879
>fish evolving into a serpent
??????

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>>33353879
>literally all of eevees forms are a fox
>but one isnt a fox because I say so

>>33353883
Literally Magikarp, are you retarded?

>>33353893
none of the eevee line is based exclusively or even explicitly on foxes. It's just an amalgamation of a bunch of cute mammalian traits taken from dogs, cats, etc., and yeah, maybe foxes (which of course belong to the same family as dogs, you fucking goober)

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>>33353898
there are many fish with long bodies
it doesn't mean that it is a serpent

oarfish was mistaken for sea serpents in ancient times and it looks similar to gyarados

>>33353898
Gyarados isn't a serpent you goober. It's still clearly a type of fish

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>>33353779
>but one of its evolution is a cat
Shit man, Umbreon has some traits based on Bastet and lucky black cats in Japan, hence it's Japanese name 'black+lucky= blacky.'
Vaporeon can be either ambiguous or a silly take on the term 'catfish,' and Sylveon's the fucking easter bunny.
The only true 'fox' would be Flareon, who is pretty much the red eevee, Glaceon the arctic fox, and it's counterpart, Leafeon the red fox.
>but one isnt a fox because I say so
Read the above statement, and just look at pic related. Hope you have a nice day autistic fox anon.

>>33353944
>flareon, glaceon, and leafeon
Don't even give him these. All three of these still have obvious cat-like features (especially glaceon and leafeon), and Flareon looks far more like a pet dog than a fox, and not one of them has the distinctive pointed snout pretty well all foxes have

>>33353893

Vaporeon is feline as fuck

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>it has feline features so it is a cat hurr durr
You guys know that foxes are catlike right?

>>33354022
foxes are literally canines

>>33354022

>espeon is not a cat despite being based on a cat yokai hurr durr

>>33346509
Alakazam is a fox you retard.

>>33354046
What fox has a pentagram-shaped head, body armor and three-pronged feet?

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>>33353991
>not one of them has the distinctive pointed snout pretty well all foxes have
I guess that leaves Jolteon, even though it's physical base is a herding dog, and it's been used as a literal 'sheep-dog' in the anime
>Whenever any of Ethan's Magnemite tried to escape, Jolteon would use Thunder Wave to lure them back.
Pretty neat.

>>33354031
Er, they are canids, but canine is a genus.
Foxes are vulpine.

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>New generation arguing whether Eevee is a cat or fox

It is common consensus among the Japanese Old-Guard that Eevee is derived from Kitsunerisu or キツネリス that debuted in 1984 created by Studio Ghibli. Hayao_Miyazaki based his creation on fennec foxes. Extrapolating from this information it is a given that Eevee is also based on a fennec (or at least a canid).

Source: ghibli.jpn.org/report/nausica-matome/

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>>33355089
Catfags BTFO

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>>33355089
(continued)
Early iterations of Vaporeon were a lot more dog-like. Note the canid muzzle in Gamefreak's earlier build before they retconned it.

>>33353553
Wikipedia has been astroturfed by known cat-loving vandals after their crusade against Bulbapedia failed.

Exhibit A:
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8138#p199150

Exhibit B:
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8138#p199979

>>33355263
Welcome to 4chan

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>>33355127
The picture you posted is a one-time manga artist's interpretation of Vaporeon. If you're referring to Vaporeon's original sprite in the RBGY games, Gamefreak has confirmed that nothing could be properly visioned right due to the limitations of pixel art for the GameBoy.
Even the earliest of iterations (pic related), none of the eeveelutions were depicted with canid muzzles, with the exception of Jolteon.

>>33355089
Dude, no one is saying Eevee isn't a fennec fox, it's that it's Evolutions take on different traits from different mammals, while still relating to Eevee.

>>33347767
The lore, creativitt or what its based on doesnt matter this time. If it looks like shit then its shit

I think eevee is purposefully made to look like an ancestral carnivore, trying in with the evolution theme
It does not seem much more fox-like than cat-like to me

>>33353577
but that's just the -O and -A endings, the rest of the name is Needle + Rhino

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Is Absol more canid or felid?

saving the thread from falling off

>>33347767
>If you want a better design you hate creativity
How does one become this deluded?

>>33357854
A goat. I shit you not.

>>33353935
>oarfish pokemon
> gyarados
But that would be Milotic, Anon. Yet another useless fish becomes a sea serpent. Magikarp is based in chinese mythology and Feebas is an ugly duckling analog.