YOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>33323431
>give the worst pseudo its own z-move
What did Gamefreak mean by this?

>>33323456
That's not Goodra, anon

>>33323456
It means it's never going to get a Mega

>>33323431
What a waste
Make a z move for Charizard for God sake

>>33323431
what is going on at gf headquarters, the last two pseudos are absolute dogshit.

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>that name

>>33323456
>worst Pseudo
No that's still Slug's wife

>>33323464
Isn't Goodra in a higher tier than Kommo-o?

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That's not shellsmash

>>33323456
I think we're getting mote exclusive Z moves this time.

>>33323479
They're both RU.

>>33323479
They're the same tier, but Kommo-o is significantly more viable within it.

>>33323456
They know Kommo-o sucked and are apologizing for teasing us with Shell Smash so they gave it a beffed up Z-Clanging Scales +1 in every stat.

>>33323456
>Worst Pseudo
That's not goodra anon.

>>33323456
That's not metagross

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=64&v=oZevIAuNvoE
Well, it's broken

>>33323431
>Cementing the fact that we'll never get new Megas ever again
I seriously don't understand why Gamefreak would want to throw a money printer out the window in favor of something they can't even make merchandise of.

>>33323483
>spread z-move with +1 to everything
It's better

>>33323479
They're both RU and Kommo-o's ranked higher on the viability ranking.

>>33323479
Not anymore

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>>33323479

>>33323489
Hopefully they're giving Decidueye an exclusive Z-move that raises all of its stats by 2 stages each.

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That's it? All they showed was a new move for a Pokemon nobody cares about?

>>33323456
and the best z move

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>>33323511
>that new trainer battle OST

>>33323511
>that dance
Yes, daddy.

Why is the animation so fucking long? It's as bad as Eevee's.

>>33323511
Not sure if I like the new trainer theme

>>33323511
Holy shit, regardless of power, the +1 to everything is damn good

>>33323556
it's fucking nothing but
>a Pokemon nobody cares about
good one
now it can be ou at least

>>33323556
This, if there is no more new forms or no national dex i'm gonna skip it just like i skipped sun/moon, fuck gamefreak

>>33323513
It's almost as if Gamefreak realizes that game balance is objectively more important than short term cashgrabs. Mega evolutions breaks the game balance. Z-moves do not. Thus Z-moves are better for business in the long term.

>>33323513
GF is known for having poor descicion making capabilities

>>33323556
Maybe they will care now.

>>33323431
I'm gonna do my war dance now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEzf9wSiaKE

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>TFW Kommo-o has finally become the ultimate lifeform

>>33323579
Not when you are outspeed by most fairies but hey if you like that pokemon...

>>33323464
Right, because that Kommo-o is obviously male

>>33323611
IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS?

>>33323579
It should be at least 185 since Clanging Scales is 110.

>>33323593
Z-move meta has been far worse than Mega meta. and I don't think you realize how much they make off of merchandise

>>33323456
>kommo-o's great psuedos stats
>gets dragon dance, OK but not great speed
>new z-move gives ominious wind buffs/silver wind
>shit
Its OK, you are still able to use your garchomp. Kommo-o isn't high tier because of its obvious weakness to fairy moves.

>>33323593
Z-Moves are just as bad when it comes to "meta balancing".

>>33323431
>hits both opponents and raises atk and speed
what the fuck were they on

>>33323579
You outspeed everything but the relevant scarfers, which should be dead considering Kommo-o's gonna see life as a setup cleaner/nuke.

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>>33323593
>z-moves don't break the game balance

Uh-huh... right

holy shit this stream zzzzzz
pokemon will never be good, the streams are terrible, all they can do is disappointing

>>33323593
>Mega evolutions breaks the game balance. Z-moves do not.

Z-Moves are what have made Landorus-T broken

>Still cucked by fairy types switching in
>no Life Orb or Choice items so it can't even 3HKO most of the bulky special ones
>poison jab is a shit move on a set that would use this move
LOL

>>33323593
they both have irreversibly damaged competitive kek. What's worse for the game you think a few pokemon that are designed as nukes balanced by their poor defensive stats and slow speed or every single pokemon in the game allowed to have a single use nuke. hmm i wonder...

>>33323593
You obviously know nothing about game balance nor the current meta. Nor about business and marketing. You really don't know a lot, do you?

>>33323593
Z-moves are going to be a relic by 2018/2019 when 7th gen is rushed out of the way for 8th gen and the next fad gimmick.

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So, do you think that, in addition to those broken Z moves, we'll get any more Megas and Alola forms ?

>>33323456
That's not hydreigon

>>33323593
z-moves are even worse.
there are like 3 megas that are too strong because of abilities.

>vp
>full of low elo faggots

sad.

>>33323749
>Megas
No.

>Alola forms
Maybe, although doubtful so far.

>>33323755

Hydreigon is a great Pokemon held back only by its Speed.

And if it was any faster, it would go from good to broken.

>>33323749
megas will come back 100% sure about it, maybe even with gen8, hopefully.

I love megas, but please give the weaker pokemon megas this time.

>>33323431
>Boost all Stat
B E G O N E
E G O N E
G O N E
O N E
N E
E

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Hopefully they give Golisopod and Lycanroc Z-Moves too

>>33323793
>has literally no worthy setup moves
he would literally be the same except he wouldn't die to every scarfed mon in the sun

>>33323864
*under the sun
fuck

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willing to bet Mimikyu, Bewear and the Lycanrocs have their own Z-Moves in queue

>>33323864

>set-up

Hydreigon is a wallbreaker, not a sweeper.

>>33323886
>let me just move the goalposts
you claimed that Hydreigon would be broken with more speed but he wouldn't

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>>33323456
But garchomp didn't get shit

>>33323962

Garchomp has a Mega

It's shit because of the -10 Speed, but it exists

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>>33323962
Because it's already busted and was insanely far ahead of the power curve for years, only now has the game caught up to Garchomp.

>>33323962
Yeah but you see anon Garchomp is already good as it is

>Flygon got Dragon Dance
>Zygarde got Thousand Arrows
>Kommo-o gets a great Z-Move

I'm glad that the lesser dragons are getting some love

>>33323585
Good, we need to weed out the weak

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>>33323641
Pretty sure signature Z-moves are stronger than their non-signature versions. It would probably be 200 BP at best.

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>dragonite will never get a mega, z-move, or alolan form

I hope they give silvaly something special, too, because it's awesome

>>33324200
Dragonite has marvel scale at least

>>33324200
It's already good as is with Dragon Dance, Extremespeed, and Multiscale.

>>33324200
At least dragonite is waifu material

>>33323691
Hey nigger do you see any Z fly Lando Ts in VGC? No? Then its fine. GF only cares about VGC meta. Or at least pretends to care.

>>33323962
>Implying Garchomp needs anything
It has one of most broken stat spreads in the game. What more can you want?

>>33323593
this kommo-o z-move is more broken than 90% of megas

>>33323632
yes yes yes, oh my god

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>>33323431

>>33323431
That fucking Z-Crystal will be banned from RU quickly. I doubt this alone will make Kommo-o viable in OU but at least it will have a better option.

Mixed or special sets have a lot of potential now since its Attack and Special Attack are also boosted.

But of course knowing that Fairies and Steels exist, you have to wait until the end of a game before you can use it.

>>33324275
What a minute
Is this what I think it is?

>>33323579
>252 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Kommo-o: 146-174 (50.1 - 59.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Ice Beam vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Kommo-o: 140-166 (48.1 - 57%) -- 91% chance to 2HKO
>252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Icicle Crash vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Kommo-o: 190-226 (65.2 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

The only thing that can reliably kill it is a scarfed fairy. Otherwise Kommo-o's a monster.

Also:
>252 Atk Aerilate Pinsir-Mega Quick Attack vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Kommo-o: 102-120 (35 - 41.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>+1 252+ SpA Kommo-o Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Pinsir-Mega: 294-346 (108.4 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>33324275
Aye, that JOJO pose :D

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>>33324230
...and yet, it fell to UU this gen due to powercreep. It was immediately quickbanned to BL, but it's presently considered C+ in the Smogon viability rankings. That's the same rank as Cofagrigus and Infernape. That's with its stats, movepool, and amazing ability, even using Z-move fuckery to help it out. I'm a big fan of Dragonite, and it hurts. This gen is a clusterfuck competitively.

>>33324435
You say that like cofag and ape aren't good niche picks.

>>33323620
>Not when you are outspeed by most fairies
Most fairies are slow as shit. Tapus aren't every fairy.

>>33323798
>I love megas, but please give the weaker pokemon megas this time.
Bait.

>>33323511
>Z-moves can now hit two targets
How will this affect the metagame?

>>33324295
Kommo-O also gets Overcoat. It would be a perfect Z-move user for Aurora Veil teams. Making it even more annoying to take out.

Also:
>252+ SpA Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. +1 0 HP / 0- SpD Kommo-o with an ally's Aurora Veil: 242-288 (83.1 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>+1 4 Atk Kommo-o Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 238-282 (84.6 - 100.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Rash Kommo-o under a Veil and hazard support has a chance of beating Scarf Lele. And most Scarf Lele aren't even running Modest.

>>33324459
Not casting aspersions on either of them, both are cool in my book, but Dragonite used to be among the best of the best in the post-Multiscale world. It's crazy to see the impressive toolkit it has being relegated to the niche pick level of viability.

>>33323456
>worst psuedo

B-but that's not <psuedo I don't like>

>>33324545

It's just that specific Z-Move, since the base move (Clanging Scales) already hits both targets

>>33324620
You did it wrong, let me show you.

>>33323456
>worst psuedo
B-but that's not <your favorite psuedo>

>>33324252
>Hey nigger do you see any Z fly Lando Ts in VGC?
No because the current banlist only allows alolan mons in one year when they allow Lando-T this shit is going to be everywhere.

>>33323456
>worst pseudo
That's not you, anon

>>33324614
It's because there's better dragon dancers now.
Zygarde, mega ttar, zard x etc.
Gyarados and Salamence even do the Z fly thing better.

>>33323853
But Golisopod would be good enough if it's ability was shit like Run Away. A broken Z-move won't make it a worthwhile Z-Crystal slot.

>>33323556

>wanting them to spoil every single new addition like they did ORAS

>>33323749

The only alola forms that make sense is Johto and more Kanto

>>33323431
And the power creep keeps creeping.

>>33324817
>there's no middle ground between spoiling everything and revealing nothing

>>33324093
>>33324255
So why are you faggots complaining that it's kommo-o who got something? Do we really need a repeat of XY, ie make already good shit even better?

>>33323431
Oh god. What if Soundproof blocks it?

And Kommo-o gets soundproof?

And people start countering Kommo-o with other Kommo-o?

Kommo-oh no...

>>33324862
>power creep
kommo-o fucking sucks

>>33324966
Primarina's Z-Move uses a sound based move that becomes a non-sound based water nuke. I believe Kommo-o's Z-Move will be a similar case (either that or GF goofed.)

>>33324871

All we need to know is that there will be more special Z-moves

We don't need to see more

>>33324941
Pretty sure the anons you replied to weren't those faggots.

>>33323853
>>33324778
>Golisopod Z-move
>works off of First Impression
>does huge Bug-type damage at +3 priority (just like First Impression) and changes the user's Ability to Huge Power

>>33324966
>Kommo-oh no

You. I like you.

>>33323456
Worst pseudos have Megas.

>>33323431
Uber here he comes

>>33325214
It really should have been called "Tactical Retreat". He's forced to switch out, but he'd also keep his stat changes.

>>33323556
That's confirm every pokemon that is Totem will have a exclusive Z-move.
You can see the background when Kommo-o is doing is Vast Poni Canyon.

>>33324862
>Giving underwhelming pokemon something good for once is powercreep

Kommo-o isn't good, it deserves this buff.

>>33323431
>I-I-I a-always liked K-K-Kommo-o-o-o
this thread right mow

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>>33325384
Same thing happened after any Pokemon got a Mega in ORAS

Well except for maybe Sharpedo and Glalie

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>>33325384

Kommo-o's design wasn't bad, but his function wasn't fun at all. It just got rocked too hard by fairy types

Now that he can pull a z-conversion porygon-z (but almost strictly better!) he might be fun to use

some people do make judgements on what Pokemon they like based on if they're fun to actually use

>>33325384
Everyone liked it, until Gamefreak thought it was a good idea to screw up it's movepool.

>>33325384
I've hated him since I found out his typing. They should have gone for a steel dragon. We need another one besides Dialga

>>33325800
>He doesn't want Dragon/Fighting
>Just because Fairies exist
>He wants a generic metallic dragon

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>>33323611
>tfw both are weak to ice

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>>33323611
>>33323632
>>33324274

>>33326076
>>33323632
>>33324274
>>33324294
>>33324333
How autistic is this board?

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>>33326095

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>>33326682
Except weeaboo jojo memes are not fun to begin with

>>33325086
are you even sure theres more to see in this game

>>33323556
Last year they revealed Crabrawler at the championships. What's new?

>>33323456
To make it decent actually.
Now Goodra cements its place as worst pseudo once again.

>>33328155

You guys shitposted this until today's update

You fucking faggots

What nature for special Kommo-o?

>>33323479

>>33323490
>>33323522
>>33323536
>>33323550

>smogon sheep

kill yourselves or do you need permission from your cult first?

>>33323962
Because Garchomp is literal perfection. You saw what happened when they gave it a mega. It's mega is in most cases worse off than its normal form, whereas everyone that has a mega uses its mega.

>>33323519
>new game means possible new tutor moves
Why not BOTH?

>>33324291
>>33324435

Smogon and everyone who follows their rules needs to die for the good of Pokemon

>>33329949
Modest

>>33325384

I never hated it design wise I was just pissed that it had goodra stats all over again and a subpar movepool to go with them. When it showed up to challenge me in the totem battle it was actually pretty cool.

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>>33330000
quads witnessed

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>>33325384
Would you like to see all the kommo-o I've bred? Do you want to see the krommo-o (spdef with restalk, bulk up, and dragon tail), or the swords dance set, or the sub bulk up, or the special rock polish, or the mixed rock polish, or the sub belly drum with salac berry and reversal, or the various DD + z fight/poison/dragon sets, or the AV set with rock slide for volcarona? I've been trying to make this thing work since day one.
Fuck you.

>>33329920
That's not metagross

Sorry to interrupt your thread, is the catalog working for you?
mine keeps showing the same threads every time

Is "clangorous" actually a word
I know "soulblaze" is two real words but i dunno about "clangorous"

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>>33330000
Wtf is this sorcery

>>33330152

It is, actually.

Clangor means a loud, repeating clanging sound, and clangorous is the adjective used to describe such a sound.

>>33330152
Anon you had to use the internet to even post that question so why didn't you just google it

>>33330000
holy moly

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>>33329957
I love how garcucks pretend garchomp getting an utterly garbage mega when salamence and metagross got amazing ones is somehow a good thing for it. The only thing it means in practice is that its going to succumb to power creep faster than the other two. It already has troubles finding its way into a team over Zygarde and le healthy meta judging by the latest usage stats.

>Opponent sends out Kommo-o
>"Lycanroc, return!"
>"Go, Tapu Fini!"
>"Kommo-o used Clangorous Soulblaze!"
>"But it failed."

It's me, or only the 7th generation Pokemon and Alolan forms are going to get new Z-moves?

>>33323431
the mon still sucks lol

>>33323574
Because it's a loading issue.
Evoboost actually dumps everything besides Eevee, so it can load in the Eeveelutions without massive frame rate drops.
If a Z Move is slow that's entirely why, otherwise the 3DS would buckle under the weight of all the assets rendered.

>>33323556
>Pokemon nobody cares about?
Literally everyone wanted Kommo-o to be better, and now that GF is throwing it a bone, you asshats come out of your cave to complain that improving a Pokemon that should've been good in the first place is a bad thing?

Fuck off.

>>33323755
That's not Goodra fag.

>>33330000
God is real.

>>33332416
Are you not at all familiar with how 4chan in general is contrarian and hates whatever is good? Like if /a/ shits on an anime, you should watch it. If /vp/ shits on this Kommo'o move, it's only because they deep down wanted to like him before the new Z Move which will now make him used more.

>>33323620
>Not when you are outspeed by most fairies but hey if you like that pokemon...
>>33323620
Koko?

>>33331144
>The only thing it means in practice is that its going to succumb to power creep faster than the other two.
Chomp's unrivaled speed tier and natural bulk is threatening enough though. If the metagame is going to be unfavorable to Chomp to the point that it's no longer a high priority threat the meta would be flooded with a bunch of absurdly broken shit.