This is good route design.

>>33277441
Not sure if you're being post-ironic or something, but I legitimately had fun figuring this out as a kid. Fuck, I miss Emerald. So much to do.

Better than having nothing at all except a tube like SM.

>>33277441
It's amusing and saddening, isn't it? Hoeen felt more tropical and better made than Alola. Never thought I'd miss water routes.

>>33277441
Yes, and?

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This is now a good route design thread.

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Sinnoh is chuck-full of good route designs.

>>33277820
Remove the bog and you might have a case there

I made a thing a year ago that showed how all the rivers in north eastern Kalos are all linked together across routes and actually logically make sense.

I won't bother searching for it and I doubt there's another one online. Everything from east of Laverre to like above Snowbelle is wonderfully designed though.

>>33277511
The autumn routes really were all well-designed and put together

>>33277441
>you have to fly back to Pacifidlog over and over again to find everything without a guide

i mean yeah it was memorable and unique but still a huge pain in the ass

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>>33277907
Casual scum

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>>33277464
>that feel of finding Sootopolis City for the first time
Gen 3 Hoenn was everything Alola should have been.

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Why is Sinnoh so based in the Route design department?

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Am I the only one here who loves Route 216 and 217?

>>33277914
Good taste

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>>33277991
Hell no, man. That route and Mt. Coronet leading up to it were damn good. As well as pic related.

>>33277991
216 was nice. 217 is terrible. I don't even mind the super slow walking speeds at certain points in the route, the blizzard that makes it impossible to see where the fuck I'm going is the worst part.

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>>33278008
that route is so comfy

Can we just agree that Hoenn had the best overall region design? I loved that there were no gates.

>>33278030
Sure but not because there weren't any gates.

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>>33278030
>I loved that there were no gates
I can't believe I just realized Hoenn is the only region (bar Alola) without gates

>>33278030
Hoenn has its highs and its lows. My favorite parts of Hoenn were the water areas where you could dive and resurface in these cut-off little nooks that usually held shards or something. Hoenn's eastern half also has a lot of cool sandbar areas filled with trainers that're pretty nice, too. And, of course, Route 119.

>>33277879
So, do people not know that you can walk through certain parts of the bog and not get stuck at all? You can go through the route without getting stuck once. I've seen people criticize the bog and snow for hindering the movement speed of the player. The snow I can understand, it's unavoidable and completely slows you down to a grinding halt, making going through the routes tedious as hell.

But the bog is something I never got the complaint of. Not only is that entire route optional, but you can completely avoid getting stuck. I guess item hunters might have a problem.

>>33278052
The only part of horn to me that feels out of place is the part near faralbor town or whatever it's called, between the time you you beat Wallace and the time you get go go goggles

>>33277991
You're not alone. Both routes really capture that feeling of how the journey only gets tougher as you keep moving forward, especially with the constant blizzards and all. Say what you will about Route 217, but I like to think of it as a test of patience and willpower. It's slow, sure, but if you can beat all of the Trainers and get all of the items on that route, then it just feels so satisfying to leave it behind and finally make it to Snowpoint City where you can relax for a bit.

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Alright, final bit of Sinnoh spurge. I just think they really nailed conveying Sinnoh's craggy and mountainous terrain. The routes feel messy and disjointed in a really nice way that gives a sort of sense of accomplishment when you actually get through it, while still enjoying the route.

>>33277894
You won't even search for it for my benefit, anon? I'd really like to see it

>>33278024
One of my all time favorite routes

>>33277991
I love them. Just wish you didn't need to take them on with a dedicated HM slave or crippled main team members so you could get through Mt. Coronet

>>33277820
Probably my favorite route in the franchise. I feel like since it was optional GF went all out with it

>>33277441
>if you don't have Fly you need to navigate through the entire region 3 to 4 times to fully clear this route
Truly the "best" design

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>>33278839
>if you don't have Fly
>literally impossible to reach that part of the game without being able to use fly

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>>33278839
>not using Fly
>in a Pokémon game

>>33278057
I actually liked the snow because by midway through Route 217, my party was beginning to run low on HP/PP, and it really feels like you're trapped. You don't know how far ahead Snowpoint City is, and flying back to a previous town feels like your entire trek was for nothing. It really is a bit of a trial to go from Celestic Town to Snowpoint City all in one go without healing.

>>33278008
fuck that shaymin bs though. if you walk through walls past the white rock you can see it taunting you...

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>>33278850
>He doesn't know you can skip Winona completely

>>33278894
You can heal in the house on the corner of rt. 216/217.

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>>33278915
>skipping a gym in a pokemon game you wanna clear

>>33277441
Hoenn has the best routes and I was excited for the future of Pokemon. Then Sinnoh came and managed to be a step down. Routes have been downhill ever since.

>>33277894
>I made a cool thing that no one else made but im not going to post or anything just thought youd all like to know

>>33278850
Still you're not required to use Fly to enter every area and you can complete the game without using it.
At least they fixed it in ORAS by adding soaring

>>33278008
how do you get that pokeball near the berries?

>>33279236
They're not talking about beating the game, but about fully exploring it. For RSE Hoenn, you can literally skip Brawly and Winona until the badge check at the League because neither of their HMs are needed to access any area in the game. In fact, the guards at the badge check are programmed to ONLY check for the Knuckle and Feather badges, literally because of this fact.

>>33278045
For a second I thought that was the ORAS Battle Resort

>>33279956
Through the gap in the trees on the left

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>>33277441
>mfw all out of repels in the middle of that route

>>33277820
optional roads are the best

tfw we dont get it anymore

>>33277991
Nope. The grueling snow routes were a big part of the reason why Sinnoh Simon is my favorite region.

>>33277978
To compensate for the town/city design department.

>>33277441
It looks like they just scribbled a bunch of shitty islands everywhere without any thought.

>>33278850
Am I retarded? Why do you need to fly to get to pacifidlog?

>best route music
>shit design and annoying spinda everywhere

What are other things that sound good but are ultimately shit, /vp/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hGWPmW4OxI

>>33277441
This picture makes me sick

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>>33278839
Serves you right for being the only dumbass in this thread who never uses fly

>>33281443
You don't have to have fly to get there in the first place, but the rapid water will take you to Slateport, and if you don't have fly or teleport you have to trek through most of the region again in order to get to Pacifidlog again.

>>33281383
No, it looks like it was designed like an area in a video game for its player to explore and navigate.

>>33280036
I really like that, actually, hoenn is a smart region with good design

>>33281627
>hurr durr le sick meme

fuck off

>>33277441
>pick one square too high or low
>have to fly all the way back and repeat

Currents are shit in RSE and they were shit in BW

>>33278008
>long as shit path through foggy victory road
>leading to jack shit if you don't have Oak's Letter or whatever it was

13 year old me felt cheated as fuck

>>33282580
i mean yeah, who wants an actual challenge and puzzle to complete amirite guys?

>>33282686
It's trial and error is what it is

>>33278030
>no gates
I never really noticed that but damn that is awesome

>>33277978
The volcanic sediment mixed with the bright green grass and tropical tree looks SO fucking based. Gives a lot of personality to it. You can almost deduce that the ground soil is extremely fertile from volcanic activity, leading to lush environments, even in a non-tropical region.

Wasn't a huge Sinnoh fan, but I wont deny how great a lot of their routes were, especially on the post game island.

>>33282906
There's no challenge in saving before you enter the water, and resetting the game because you were 1 square too high

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One of the biggest things Alola needs is just one route of huge open ocean, maybe connecting 2 of the islands together

Fill it out with hidden alcoves, dive spots, sandbars, parasailing trainers, and a huge variety of wild pokemon

>>33283166
It was certainly better integrated than Kalos route 13's """"over-irrigation""""

>>33277441
The only "bad" part of Hoenn.
Battle Palace is still the only truly bad thing

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>>33284379
It took 900 hours in MS paint but I drew up how I think they should distribute some new ocean routes in USUM

One huge connecting route between MeleMele and Akala, while expanding the others to connect to their closest ones

>>33282587
>Being 13 when Diamond and Pearl came out
Fuck off underage

>>33284585
D/P were over 10 years ago, anon.

>>33278024
This is the sort of area that's perfect for secret bases, honestly.

>>33281755
No it's shit and so is your taste

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>>33277894
>>33279310
>>33278547
This? Literally 5 seconds in the archive.

>>33284585
He would be 23 now, anon. I think you might be the underage one.

>>33284551
honestly wouldn't add that much

>>33285417
Looking at it now it does feel like a bit much

Maybe it would work better if the one on Poni is shortened to go from Seafolk Village to that one water area on the left and not all the way to Exeggutor island,

And the one on Ula'Ula goes from the Ghost Trial Site to the beach on the far right instead of all the way around

>>33277511
it's too small, honestly

>>33284585
Those who are quick to scream underage whenever a date or age is referenced are likely to be underaged themselves.

>>33277900
Because Autumn is the best season.
There is no such thing as a bad Autumn route.

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>>33284551
My take on Alola's water routes (or lack thereof). Basically what you said with some minor changes and combined with a couple of my ideas.

For the main story, open up the sea between Melemele and Akala, roughly between Kala'e Bay and the motel on Route 8 on one side and Hau'oli and Konikoni City on the other. You could even split it into smaller routes if necessary for whatever reason.

I'd also put in at least one other major route, but instead of sandwiching Akala between two long water routes, the second one could be between Poni and Melemele since they're already close together on the map, starting at Poni Coast and going back to Hau'oli City. At that point in the game, it could be completely optional, too.

Another cool thing they could include is an undersea tunnel like the Marine Tube in Unova. Aether Paradise, for instance, seems like a great location for it to lead to. I marked the area between the Paradise and Melemele since that's the island it's closest to, but it could just as easily terminate at Akala. A great way to incorporate more of the ocean without repeating the same water route over and over again—and it would look amazing, too.

Other than that, yeah, pretty much just expand on what we already have, especially on the first two islands. Not so much Ula'ula because it's already super busy, and a lot of its locations suffer because of it, so they should just fix that instead. And then there's Poni, of course. The area behind the canyon may be a little much, but man, does that island need more things to do.

>>33277820
mud was a shit mechanic
It seems like every route in Sinnoh tried its best to have an annoying gimmick

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>>33287452
I like this, it makes the region feel much more connected and open

A marine tube could be great, especially if it's a longer one that connects two of the islands and it could function as it's own route with trainers and shops and stuff.

Maybe when you walk around, you see rare items float by, so after you leave the tube, you surf to the route, dive down and you can find them.

>>33289091
>Great things that will never be
S&M are constantly disappointing me.