Trails were last sec decision to add into sun and moon

It's Trials, retard.

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That's...genuinely concerning.

I mean, if he did it himself, I'm slightly impressed with what he was able to do.

Jesus fuck, the Ohmori era is a fucking mess.

A small indie company...

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>Trials of all fucking things were last minute
>this game would have been nothing but a Lillie simulator if they hadn't spent 2 months making them at the last second

This does not bode well for USUM.

>>33273886
This. Ohimori is probably the worst dev at gamefreak.

now it makes sense why trials seem meaningless in the anime

>>33273809
Holy shit... transcript for the lazy:

>"Little things like the trials in SM came very late... to the point where Ohmori had to work with the tools he could as a Director... like he couldn't get artists to come in and make new assets... he had to design the trials late in development based on writing and whatever he could figure out..."

"Which is why they're so weird... weird little games... like Marowak's dancing game... how bizarre they are because he hadn't the programmers"

Holy shit what the fuck were they going to do if the trials weren't in the game?! Let's look at what they did:

Ilima - they used the pre-programmed emerge-from-burrow encounter thing
Lana - used pre-programmed bubbling spots encounter thing
Kiawe - silly spot-the-difference pictures
Mallow - find hidden items on the ground
Sophocles - question and answers in the dark
Acerola - used the pre-programmed Rotom camera
Mina - fuck it we can't think of anything let's not include it

Holy shit what a mess.

>>33273809
probably becasue the artists were busy working on the switch games

>>33273899
S/M seem released early
They seem to start game development by concepting, designing the pokemon and region, and creating a story and theme

It seems s/m didn't have the time to really flatten out the systems

That said, I nuzlocked the game and was very impressed by totem battles

2014 to 2016 thats it development

>>33273962
Even I could tell you that. Only Ula'Ula feels like its some semblance of complete. I would call it 60% done at best.

>>33273957
How retarded can you be?

>>33273962
>That said, I nuzlocked the game and was very impressed by totem battles

Totems were a boss battle but less scary than the average gym battles in the two I did.
Yet to lose a mon to em.

>>33273992
Still, isn't it worrying that the TRIALS were an afterthought? I thought they'd have been a central idea.

I wonder if they were super close to using the Trial Captains + one other person as Gym Leaders and doing the traditional pokemon game?

>>33273941
And people were shitting on Ohmura instead of whole Game Freak itself, seriously they are handling one of the most powerful IP yet they have so few workers?

>>33273992
Yeah, I feel like this was the case for quite a few "first" versions of a generation, but perhaps it's more noticeable in 3d than 2d

An extra year of development and s/m money must mean something though, so I believe usum can improve a lousy start like platinum or b2w2 did

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>>33274011
I'm fucking terrified the main aspect of the adventure and plot progression is an AFTERTHOUGHT, anon. I thought S/M were betas after completing it twice, one sun, one moon. Even after just a Sun playthrough you can feel how incomplete it is. But to find out it's THIS fucking close to being completely empty is....scary.

>>33274019
The franchise should be taken off them if they can't make competent games.

>>33274019
Still they are a niche and Small company

>>33274010
That's fine, but I really got fucked up by salazzle and lost mons to wishiwashi and lurantis (who was absolutely harder than a gym battle)
Are you overleveled or just getting really lucky with captures?

>>33274041
It will never happen, nintendo can't with Satoshi tajiri

>>33274041
Good thing they still do and drama queens on vp don't determine their fate

>>33273809
yeah people talk shit about him but i have a new respect for Ohmori, unlike Masuda he actually tried to make something new and interesting with what small time he had
I hope his idea gets fully fleshed out in USUM

>>33273809
>>33273941

like, holy fuck, how do they work?, leaving the gym equivalents for last second when this is a major part of what make the game a game.
still, i'm suprised for what he manage to actually make with how little time and resources he had to work with.

>>33273899
>This does not bode well for USUM.
if anything this make me wonder what he will do now that he has the artists and programmers to do what he intended to do in first place.

>>33274106
>i'm suprised for what he manage to actually make with how little time and resources he had to work with
The fact that he did it single-handedly is impressive, but honestly, it should never have gotten to that point.

>>33273940
He even goes to school with all the Gym Leader types. What the hell had they planned without the trials?

Ohmori was the good guy all along. Look at all the things he's done over the games.

Shit like this reminds me that there is a physicality to making games and there isn't a magic "pokemon game" they push on their computer
These guys work hard to create one of the biggest video game franchises with a relatively small team

>>33274117
Exactly, it's incompetent management. It's like organising a wedding and searching for a church the day before.

>>33273941
They were probably just going to do gyms but decided to trash them for something "unique". That's why the empty lots exist.

>>33274136
Over 20 years making highly profitable pokemon games - don't tell me that rushing out basic bitch Trial events at the last second to replace a MAJOR part of the pokemon experience (Gyms) is "working hard".

It's incompetence.

>>33274138
Are you sure? It just seems like they needed to complete the systems earlier than anticipated

>>33274155
I'm not going to pretend like a know what was going on to lead to that point, and I can't take you seriously if you pretend that, either

The team is not magic, they're all shitty humans just doing their best

>>33274136
how did you get all that from the op. Pokemon is multi billion dollar company but game freak operates as a small dev. They could easily hire more people but choose not too

>>33274178
Because to make something in the game somebody actually needs to, you know, make it
I think it's cool, but I've realized I have more respect for the working man than perhaps is average on 4chan

>>33274199
i Guess u do

Can we now all agree that gen 7 was a filler gen and masudas switch game is going to come out next year

>>33274199
>I have more respect for the working man
This has nothing to do with the problem in question, alright, the man worked hard, he had not much to choose from and still managed to make something.

The problem is it should never have gotten to this point. Pokemon is a brand that makes millions of profit every new game release. They should invest more in getting more people to work, if spacing out the games in more time is not adequate to todays markets.

>>33274235
It really depends on whether or not US/UM can save it by ending on a high note. If not, then yeah, it'll be remembered as the filler gen/Lillie sim gen.

>>33274235
Yes
The reason it has a theme of fleeting friendships and the experience of meeting and departing is just awareness of how s/m will be a fleeting generation, quickly swallowed up by time

>>33274199
>Because to make something in the game somebody actually needs to, you know, make it
How is this some new revelation to you? I don't understand. Have you ever made something by hand or programmed something on your own?

>>33274245
I'm not so sure that's a good idea
There's a reason they don't hire more people, I'm sure

>>33273809
Does anyone else pictures him crying himself to sleep everynight during that time afraid he was not gonna make it? Poor guy.

GF must be a really shitty company to work at.

>>33274263
It isn't a new revelation, but it's something I'm thinking about
I should have never showed up in the thread, it feels, people on 4chan seldom see eye to eye with me

>>33273994
Fun fact: Pokémon X and Y Began Development Before Black and White Launch.

Pokémon Switch game could have Began Development Before Sun and Moon Launch.

>>33274267
i'm not gonna pretend I know everything like people do here, but dude, it really does sounds like they just want to maximize profit and the certainty they have that we will buy ANYTHING they make.

>>33274281
Not just could have, it's a certainty. GF's development cycle for a new generation is at least 3 years.

>>33274041

No. They created Pokémon and they make best Pokémon games.

Pokémon should end, if Game freak ever decide to give Pokémon to someone else.

>>33273895
worth multiple millions of dollars

>>33274267
Anon, they're the makers of one of the most popular games around. There's literally no excuse to not hire at least a few more people considering we just learned trials were literally a last second addition.

>>33274289

Oh yeah, that's right.
I forgot about that simple fact.

>>33274235
>Can we now all agree that gen 7 was a filler
Nah

Reminder that this retard is developing the next gen.

Looking forward for it to be a waifu simulator and nothing else.

>>33274318
They are hiring new people for the switch team, don't you know?
But more people doesn't mean better or even faster

>>33274235
filler generations doesn't exist.

All generations are important because of the Pokémon in them.

honestly the main line games can sell 2-4 million and still be profitable. 14~15 million is a icing on the cake

>>33274289
Except SuMo, which development spanned 3 months

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>>33274329
next gen will most likely be masuda again

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>>33274338

>>33274155
Japanese men are known to work hard but not smart.

Of course if they worked smart they'd have the core gameplay ready before the waifufaggotry

>>33274348
I really hope so.

Rather have the basic formula than whatever SM tried to be.

>>33274329

will we ever actually get a waifu simulator in core-series of Pokémon?

Junichi Masuda did say anything is possible in the future.

>>33274330
Diminishing returns is definitely a thing, but if something so essential to Pokemon as gyms is being left to the last minute, then something is not right. The only way it could be worse is if Pokemon designs were left as their last step.

>>33274367
Thanks for your gentle response, but I'm too nervous to make the effort for a proper reply, so have a nice day
I need a break from 4chan sometimes

>>33274384
>coming to this shit hole

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>>33274384
You're stuck here with us. Forever.

>>33274394
I like the format, but the people can wear me out because I'm a sensitive little baby

>>33274402
You're probably right

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>>33274488
>>33274348
Hell no

>>33274367
Penultimate day of development...

Ohmori: "oh shit we forgot to make new pokemon!"

>>33273809
This explains the empty lots and the fairy trial captain just fucking off, among other oddities.

>>33274367
I don't know, I think they might've just worded it poorly. I can't believe they didn't take into account how the game would play before building the world and characters, and features such as z-moves and z-crylstals. I think they mean they left filling the trials with the actual "content" until the last moment, which explains why the trials themselves were so basic and bland.

>>33274125
Probably totem fights without the trials leading up to them.

>>33273809
This explains so much. I will forever wait a while for new Pokemon games to release before buying any. Even if it's a new gen.

>>33274235
Not quite filler, but it's more like a placeholder generation made because they needed to release a game for the 20th anniversary and couldn't wait for the Switch to be released, so instead they just cut the last year of Gen 6 and made Gen 7 for the resulting 2 year gap.

>>33274488
It's okay, anon. You still have friends here, even if you can't tell anons apart.

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>>33273809
This just raises further questions

>>33274638
Makes sense. That's basically what they are in the anime.

>>33274757
Nah. if anything it explains why poni island is completely devoid of anything interesting even postgame

>>33274770
That's basically the dragon trial

>>33274777
>Kommo-o gets mad if you try to walk past his awesome trial he put o much effort into

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While I agree that this confirms SM to be unfinished as fuck (as if that wasn't obvious), I think some of you are over-reacting. I think they had main locations for the game planned instead of trials, but those areas-caves, side areas, possibly gyms-had to be cut. Just look at Kiawe's trial location-remove all the trial decor, and imagine that the "portal caves" actually led to an elaborate dungeon, and you have something of a decent area instead of a couple of shitty battles, a dancing minigame, and a Totem fight. Lana's trial also points to this, since we know that part of the map was supposed to be bigger than what we got.

Trials might have been a last minute duct tape fix for the cut areas. And because they were such a quick fix they needed to reuse assets and re-purpose cut (but planned) content.

>We could've had the Z Kalos really fucking needed instead of this garbage

I want Masuda to choke on 20 dicks, one for each year of his autistic anniversary hangup.

>>33273809
pokémon colosseum and xd felt less hollow than sun and moon did

>>33275043
Speculation is one thing, but an actual admittance of something as important as the gyms/trials being rushed in is what we all care about.

Continue to defend this game series on a downward trend, you'll only waste your time and money.

Masuda and ohmori need to leave.

The job of the director includes allocating different people to different things and sticking to a timeframe. Ohmori is a terrible director, SM's development was clearly a fucking mess.
I may not agree with Masuda's view on the series as a whole, but he did a good job directing his games.

>>33275108
All I suggested was a reason for the rush. We don't know half of what actually happens behind GF's doors, and every little bit of info that gets revealed like this has a context it belongs in that we are missing completely.

Reminder that it was more important to 3d model an unused bathroom with this small and limited team

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What kinda game you want fampai?

>>33274028
>White
ok if you didn't enjoy Black or White that's your opinions and whatever. But you can't say they were devoid of content or lacking development!

>>33275443
Finna saved.

>>33274010
they were really no better than the single gym leader per game that would actually require you pay attention. Well, except totem salazzle. What a fucking joke.

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I'm hoping USUM is to SM what BW2 was to BW.

I fucking hate the forced friends they give you in the newer games. I couldn't stand OG BW because I would get interrupted by fucking Cheren every fucking route. I had to force myself to finish XY because I couldn't stand it and the game felt like every other game in the series and had probably the worst antagonists in the series.

Alola had a lot of cutscenes and dragged in many areas but this time I cared a bit about every character except Hau which embodies everything I hated about the XY group of friends. The change in structure in the region really felt like a breath of fresh air.

Also give me a rival that is a rival and not a kid who is overjoyed that I murdered his Pokemon.

>>33273809
This man is going to kill Pokemon once and for all.

>>33274667
This.

And we should all encourage normies to do the same.

>>33275576
We shall see

>>33275576
Then Satoshi tajiri comes and restore everything.

>>33274235
I thought gen 6 was the filler gen...

>you will never work as an artist for Game Freak

I've never had this feel before and I'm not sure what to think of it now that I've flt it.

>20th anniversary games
These games could have been even worse that we actually got. Jesus Christ.

So if trials were last minute what about the kahunas? I could imagine them taking gym leaders to make trial captains but what were the Kahunas doing beforehand

>>33275565
Gladion was that rival

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>>33276016
If you add up all the trial captains, kahunas, and Kahili, you'd have the same headcount as the 8 gym leaders and E4.

>>33276050
Oh right I forgot that three of the e4 were characters already used as major bosses shit
>we potentially were going to have a dark type gym before trials were thought up
granted it's more likely the four kahunas were the e4 with kahili being a gym leader explaining her lack of presence, but still

>>33273809
That explains why the trials felt like complete garbage.

Battle 3 foes then the Totem. Repetitive shit.

>>33274010
If you kill the first Wishiwashi/Tumbreak from the Totem Wishiwashi/Lurantis battle, it gets pretty hard

>>33273809
this is the kind of shit I'd expect from an indie company without a lot of funds, not from a multimillion dollar company that has been producing games for 20 years Fucking hell

>>33273809
They make billions of dollars from the games alone, how the fuck is this happening?

>>33276224
That's exactly what's happening no matter how much effort they put into the games. They will always billions of dollars

How can game freak just not hire people, the amount of money they make is not indie studio money, it is AAA money for their "AAA" games, it bothers me, are they just so fucking gready they don't wanna pay anyone more

>>33276268
>gready

Luckily, GF doesn't take advice from nerds on the internet who can't even spell.

>>33276142
You know if you put a status ailment on them they can't call for help, right?

>>33275080
You're right

>>33273809
>Trails
115 replies and noone did this until this now, I'm disappointed.

>>33276366
see
>>33273851

>>33275565
>The change in structure in the region really felt like a breath of fresh air.
because we never had a tropical region before alola.

>>33276366
Because surprising most here knew what the OP meant despite the mistake.

So now that Ohmori's got staff where he needs them (hopefully), what does that mean for USUM? More involved trials? Dungeons with depth?

>>33274151
>They were probably just going to do gyms but decided to trash them because that takes work. That's why the empty lots exist.

That's actually pretty depressing and suggests that these games might have shit-all for a budget. The series and GF deserves better than this.

>>33276501
The series deserves better than this. What GFF needs is a change in management and some fresh blood.

>>33276521
Ohmori is fresh blood

>>33276541
He's been on since RS iirc

>>33275576
no

>>33276541
Ohmori's been around for a long time, even though he only recently got promoted. He's also pretty much Masuda Jr.

>>33276541
And as director, he should have made sure everyone underneath him knew clearly what he wanted done for SM.
It sounds like Ohmori, still being wet behind the ears at directing, didn't manage his team well enough, and as a result, it shows in the final product.
He sounds very ambitious, but needs to manage time and resources better. That will either come with time, or never, and it's concerning if he can't get his act together assuming he is directing USUM. Has anyone been confirmed as director yet? Rumor has it that its Unno-san?

>>33274353
>smartest country in the world
>not smart
Nice try, burger.

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>>33276673
>being a weeb

>>33276588
No. I don't think it's normal for them to reveal the director of 3rd versions ahead of time.

>>33276689
They probably will announce in September they gotta do marketing interviews and shit

>>33276689
So I guess we're only gonna find out closer to release then. Even then, no matter who is directing USUM, no way in hell should anyone buy day one. Don't give Nintendo those day one sales.

>>33276706
PR's generally handled by Masuda (and Ohmori too now) regardless of the director.

>multi million/billion dollar company
>incapable of hiring more staff

Somebody needs to buy this franchise off these autistic hacks quick.

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>>33273809
Honestly, I was optimistic and hopeful for the future of Pokemon. I withstood it all up until this point. But this was the final straw. I'm pretty sure I'm done lads.

>>33276726
No they announced unnoticed was director in april 2012. 2 months before the release and unno did the marketing with masuda

Whoever is the director will get announced in September

>>33273809

for the love of god just contract a different studio to make the next games

>>33276733
You would need to buy I think 51% of TPC shares to overtake Nintendo and everyone else, then you could basically fire Game Freak.
I don't think anyone has that kind of money though.

>>33276766
That's not how it works especially in the ultra sensitive japan. You don't fire the creators of pokemon

Nintendo has trademark % that's all

>>33276739
For me, the Switch games will be the last opportunity to make something good at the beggining.

>>33274367
My guess is they wanted to replace Gyms with something different(which they did), and for whatever reason they took a long time to really decide what they were going to create. By the time they did, there wasn't much time left.

>>33276781
There's little chance that the first set of Pokemon games on a new system are going to be good. US/UM is the last straw for me. They've released 3 damn sets of games for the 3DS already. If their 4th try isn't a noticeable improvement, they're utterly hopeless.

>>33276781
This was the case for me as well, but I've lost all faith that Game Freak can produce anything other than a mediocre game. Especially considering that this is brand new territory for them. 118 employees. That's it. Unless they are getting major outside help, they are doomed.

>>33276683
>burger detected
Die, honkey.

>>33275576
That's the thing. If I'm reading this whole thing right, it's just the opposite. He's gonna be the one trying and failing to restore the broken pieces.

>>33276110
All the same, Gyms weren't much better when you put it like that. Battle a random number of foes, then the leader. Only it takes longer because they're trainers with more than one Pokemon.

>>33276828
I dunno, Masuda might be a hack but he always managed to have a decent enough foundation for 3rd version directors to make the games shine. Emerald, Platinum, and B2/W2 were beauties.

>>33276855
This is true, actually. And if what >>33276588 said is accurate, than Ohmori could actually get his act together if he's in charge here. It makes a lot of sense; he mismanaged because he's new. USM could easily end up being his redemption, his opportunity to create what he wanted to in the first place. I'm cautiously optimistic on this one.

>>33273809
they probably wasted too much time how to fit lillie in the story

some story events even look rushed like guzma working with lusamine

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>this entire thread

>>33276398
You know exactly what he means faggot.

Do people realize game freak doesn't make the 900 pokemon models megas and forms included.

Creatures inc does. They recruiting right now 3d programmers and designers

Atleast switch Pokémon models will look good

>>33273809

took me 3 minutes to figure out what fucking "trails" OP is on about.

>>33275565
That's implying they want the games to be difficult for little kids
Also that a rival can't be a challenge and your friend

>>33276094
>actually wanting a dark-type gym
who does this

>>33276886
I'm with you here. In the history of this franchise, they've yet to turn out a 3rd version that disappoints.

Though if Ohmori's handling US/UM, then that begs the question: who's spearheading Pokemon Switch?

>>33277077
I have no idea, honestly. I hope the answer isn't
>Ohmura is trying to work on both simultaneously
That would be a classic example of a new director trying to do too much, and spreading themself too thin.

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>>33277009
Anon, do you really think you're getting 900 new Pokemom models on the Switch after all the resources they spent on the ones for the 3DS? Not to mention those are higher quality than the 3DS can handle. No, you poor fool - you're getting the same models we've had since XY, with the bare minimum of new animations to make it feel "next gen." The extra artists they hired are purely for the new Pokemon and a handful of new animations for select Pokemon. Probably even for something gimmicky and non-battle related, like Refresh.

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>>33277087
Yeah I know that. I'm saying for people bitching about game freak having less employes

The same models used on better hardware look much better than on 3ds

All they have to do is add texture

>>33277126
>All they have to do is add texture
Wew lad... I wish I had standards as low as yours.

>>33277086
Ohmori, anon, Ohmori.

Ohmura is the artist who is now officially freelanced, but will still occasionally draw for GF if asked.

>>33277126
We need new animations for most flying pokemon at the very least

>>33277162
Damn, I keep getting them confused, since people on /vp/ keep shitting on both of them and I like both of them

So were those 8 empty lots supposed to be gyms, then?

>>33277189
I just can't possibly fathom how you can design a new Pokemon game without the gym/trial mechanic being one of the FIRST things you focus your efforts on. The incompetence is utterly inexcusable.

>>33277151
Its pokemon. Your standards always should have been low regarding aesthics with this company

>>33277172
It's okay, it's easy to do. Ohmura's got an interesting style and I have liked most of the Pokemon he's drawn. But anything else he's drawn I'm not really a fan of (he loves drawing a single bucktooth on trainer models for some stupid reason).

Ohmori is Masuda's groomed pet and eventual successor. But if Ohmori cannot hit his stride as director and manage properly, the games will continue to suffer for it.

>>33277224
The Ohmuratooth is CUTE

>>33276203
The company I work for is an actual indie development company whose paid staff lives and pays for servers etc. entirely by the grace of players.

The games are all F2P with micro-transactions and VIP-like upgrades but all of that stuff is optional/side content - it's not pay to win (though you can get to the top a little faster) and none of the main story is locked behind a paywall (though there are side bits for the main and small extra bits for some of it for storyfags like myself).

Even this company has had 200 staff and another 130 like myself who were willing to do what we do as volunteers.

Game Freak simply has no good excuse for not getting more people on board with the funding they've available to them.

If we can do it with at most ~12K players online (outside live events) for the biggest game at any given time, less than 1% of whom ever pay for anything, then they damn well can.

>>33277224
And he designed SM's protags, right? I liked them both a lot, they do a good job of looking like a "Japanese kid who just moved to a tropical place", which is what they're supposed to be.

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>>33275080
That's really impressive since the Orre region is a barren wasteland, and Alola is supposed to be a tropical Paradise.

In my opinion, the Alola region should have been the Switch debut Pokemon games. The vibrant colors, the actual good graphics. Those would really help in making Alola feel like a sunny paradise.

>>33277279
Imagine if Sun and Moon (and of course the Ultra games) never came out, but instead GF poured all its resources into making them for the Switch. Sure the wait would be insufferable, but just imagine actually taking 3 years or so to make a really solid game. Would GF still fuck it up?

>>33277242
>indie company has 200 employees and 130 volunteers
>game freak, company at the helm of one of nintendo's most popular franchises has 120 employees and god knows how many volunteers but probably much less, but the heads are reluctant to hire more people
What the fuck went so horribly wrong?

>>33277307
Considering XY was in development for about that same amount of time, then it's very likely they would still have fucked up

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>>33273809
>there are people on this board who claim SM weren't rushed
I fucking hate Ohmori so much. I think he might be worse than Masuda, and Masuda is already so terrible.

gamefreak is fine. They always get extra help on new gens. 500+ People worked on x and y

>>33277857
And look at how that turned out.

>>33277551
But Ohmori is responsible for the best game in the series, ORAS.

>inb4 some sinnohkid tries to play like ORAS is bad

>>33277902
X and Y is great

>>33277918
ORAS was good, but under somebody else's direction it could have been so much better.

>>33277923
That's nice, dear.

>>33273940
maybe the anime is the real history. i feel sad

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>>33277918
>hoennbabies vs johtokids
It's like trying to decide which gen was less shit

>>33277551
>there are people on this board who claim SM weren't rushed
you can't be serious.

I didn't feel like they were rushed so that's actually kind of impressive, expanding on the formula properly might be one of the things in USM

>>33274066
What? Why? Nintendo cracks the whip with damn-near every other developer they collaborate with on so much as a third-party exclusive! Where the fuck's Miyamoto's iron-yet-caring fist?

>>33277307
They could have easily developed a kick ass Pokemon Z in the interim period.

Hard Mode, ORAS Megas (maybe a couple of new ones too), friends actually have good teams, maybe a Battle Frontier thing, Zygarde collection quest, add a few new areas...

Then hit us with an amazing, immersive Alola region with jungle vibes and lots of new pokemon and deep sea exploration and a huge Ultra Space finale...

>>33279078
Everything is painful.

>>33273809
>>>33276142
>You know if you put a status ailment on them they can't call for help, right?
Which makes no sense unless they had to classify calling for help as status effect triggering just to make it mechanically work. Developing around the problem instead big truly fixing it. When you have pika-buku bucks to hire a good programmer

>one of the biggest game franchises in the world
>tiny team
Why?

>>33273809
>one of the main features of SM was thrown in at the last minute
>masuda in a recent interview warns not to expect too much from the switch game because making games is hard
Game Freak is incompetent. Despite their huge sales numbers game after game they still struggle with basic things.

>POKEMON IS DOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!

>>33273880
>battle three shitmons then totem
>x7, not even 8
Yeah wow much impress

>>33273809
Ok so I must admit he has great sense of humor.

>the second most selling video game franchise is made by a company like this
They are so lucky Tajiri wanted to make a monster collecting game because he collected bugs in his past.

>>33279160
Which interview was this?

>>33278862
I am. There are also people who claim ORAS wasn't rushed. Game Freak has a ton of apologists lately.

>>33274282
This. But thats not ohmori falta though.

>>33279724
The Game Informer one from the other day.

>>33275565
Even hau is better than any XY rival

>>33274235

My man really said filler gen, hahaha.

>>33279049
Why would that dude have any say in pokemon

Nintendo needs game freak way more than game freak needs Nintendo

>>33273809
>tons of great fakemon created by fans better than the dogshit released in sun and moon
>low on artists
pokemon is dead and game freak are the retards that killed it

>>33281302
Game freak is the one who created it. There is no one better to kill than them

>>33281302
Ok, but what's the way to revive Pokemon?
People move to criticize, but no one says a way to make the games better

>>33273809
what the fuck

>>33281875
>make a new generation of about 100 pokemon
>add some cross gen evolutions for old pokemon
>fill the new region with loads of pokemon from all gens (like in XY)
>diversify trainer battles (single/double/triple battles, certain type battles, random entry hazard/terrain/weather battles, rotation battles, etc)
>add side quests and other things to do besides being League Champion (Contests, Pokeathlon-style mini games, etc)
>Hoenn-tier Battle Frontier
>Normal Mode and Hard Mode for the veteran gamer, selectable from the start
>In Hard Mode, give rivals/Gym Leaders Mega Stones and Z-Crystals and proper AI.
>more puzzle elements like we had in earlier gens - add some dungeons where a tough trainer is rewarded with a legendary battle at the end
>bright, diverse routes with nooks and crannies to explore and seek out (like Alola, but expanded)
>DPPt-tier music
>fun ways to find wild pokemon (DexNav, horde battles, Adrenaline-Orb-activated SOS battles)

That's a start. All fairly easy to implement from the catalogue of things they created for games in the past.

>>33284087
>>DPPt-tier music
I like Sinnoh's music but I feel Unova's was even better. Game Freak had a much better grasp of the DS's audio capabilities and I felt Gen V made full use of their gained knowledge.

>>33284517
Lol at quoting every one speaking negativity about Game freak

Biggest schill I ever seen

>>33284517
Fucking neck yourself.

>"so whats Tajiri up to these days?"
>Masuda: "oh hes investigating... other media right now"
This aspie continues to sound like the Howard Hughes of the video game world.

>>33284973
So he's watching porn?

>>33277251

No

>>33273809
No wonder hes the only director not smiling. Ohmori really was a mistake.

>>33281301
Considering that Gamefreak wouldn't even be alive if it wasn't for Nintendo saving their asses and that Nintendo has Mario, it's not true in the slightest. Plus I'm sure most devs would jump at the chance to be in charge of one of the most populari video game IPs in the entire world.

>>33277049
most people.

>>33273809
>>33273941
>>33274040
this is genuinely depressing.

>>33274136
>>33274199
>>33274170
this is a 20 year old franchise that is worth multiple billion dollars and is one of the best selling series of all time. If by now they are still messing up when making these games I'm going to call it incompetence.

Back in the GS days it took Iwata to come in and shrink the code enough to fit a whole other region in there. 20 years later and SM is one of the biggest games on the 3DS. They seemed to be either incapable or unwilling to gow or learn.

>>33273992
You mean Melemele. The game quickly nosedived the second you leave the first island

>>33286712
>Back in the GS days it took Iwata to come in and shrink the code enough to fit a whole other region in there.

Thats not true

>>33286599
Mario sure saved the n64, Wii u and game cube

Pokemon saved the gameboy, 3ds and gba. Check the sales before Pokemon released on those systems heading towards another disaster

Wii and ds were successful gimmick systems

Creatures inc helped game freak than Nintendo bought them.

Nintendo won't say shit to game freak because they know without Pokemon they can't do shit

Super Mario run was nowhere near Pokemon go popularity. Pokemon go was selling 3ds units and helping Nintendo brand brand

Pokemon would make much money on pc or PlayStation than on shitty Nintendo hardware

>>33286717
>>33286712
Nope not true. Masuda flat out denied that

>>33286726
Super Mario Run is only less popular because because it's not free, and the 3DS was saved by 3D Land. The Pokemon games came after it recovered.

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>>33286790
Check the sales before and after x and y

Super Mario run flopped hard people were expecting it to be bigger than Pokemon go. It was nowhere close.

3d land not even higher than remake oras

>>33286811
Yes, but remake ORAS came way after the 3DS was a masive success, and after Pokemoin Go. Not a very good comparison.

Also silly to say Mario Run flopped,, when it made tonnes of money and had millions of downloads, just because it didnt outpace Pokemon Go. Like I said, very little of the content is available unles you pay 10 dollars, which just isnt the normal mobile game model

>>33286841
>but remake ORAS came way after the 3DS was a masive success, and after Pokemoin Go
Uhmm what?

>>33286841
>ORAS came way after the 3DS was a masive success, and after Pokemoin Go

>>33286841
Exactly super Mario land had more time and legs and got destroyed by oras.

Nobody even talks about super Mario run anymore it's a flop even Pokemon go out 6 months before is still more relevant

Even fire emblem warriors did better.

I have no doubt when Pokemon releases the switch is gonna absolute in sales much more than anything oddsey will do

>>33286844
>>33286847
Wouldn't 3d Mario land got the same boost after super Mario run especially since the app was released during holidays

>>33286844
>>33286847
Did ORAS come out before Pokemon Go? I mean, either way it definitely came out after the 3DS sold like 50 million units. Hardly flopping at the time

>>33286856
but that doesnt translate to the switch (or 3ds) needing pokemon to succeed

>>33286856
Mario has always been the most popular of the two, sadly.
Pokemon might be able to tie current mario if it ups it's game, but pokken especially won't compare.

>>33286878
ORAS came out in 2014,dude

>>33286887
Pokemon Ip makes much than Mario. Mario is strictly games

'Mario kart is bigger than Mario games itself lol

Pokemon makes more money as a ip

>>33286878
Pokemon is coming to Switch not because the Switch needs Pokemon, but rather because Nintendo wants to sell as many home consoles as they did homeconsoles+handhelds in the past.
Sadly this is an unrealistic goal since the Switch doesn't really appeal to handheld gamers, no does it have the design/price to be a multiple system a household console.

It's just them trying to force handheld fans into buying a Switch, nothing more nothing less. Mario has sales but Mario+Pokemon=more sales.

>>33286902
Mario has historically sold just as many systems as Pokemon, nevermind Pokken being a lukewarn spinoff.
Mario is Mr. Nintendo himself. He is bigger than games, anime, or even merchandise because he synonymous with videogames. There are few houses that don't have a Mario game, but several that don't have Pokemon.
Pikachu is big, but Mario will always be bigger.

Who would make money if they turned there IP into Movie Pokemon or Mario

Easy answer is pokemon. The live Mario and Luigi film completely bombed at box office.

The problem with Pokemon is it release multiple games per system. Mario release 1 3D Mario a system, 1 Mario kart a system

Pokemon rather sell 12-15 million multiple times on a system

Than 30 million for 1 complete game on a system

>>33286902
>Mario is strictly games

I like my King Boo sensor light, thank you very much.

>>33286902
Mario is absolutely untouchable at this point, being an icon around the world.

It would be more fair to compare Pokemon to Zelda.

>>33286922
I'm talking money wise. Pokemon TCG, anime, games, movies, mobile apps

Mario is like Micky house it's household. He isn't gonna make Pokemon level money.

If a franchise decided to make a live action movie. Who would make the most Pokemon or Mario.

Easily Pokemon would make the most

>>33274235
That's what we said about Gen 6.
>It's their first attempt at a 3DS Pokemon game, we shouldn't have expected anything more
>It's just a stepping stone. Gen 7 will be amazing now that they've laid the groundwork.
>They obviously pumped out XY as filler. The real gem will be the 20th anniversary games.

>>33286936
Pokemon makes more money than Mario that's fact. TPC makes billions dollars outside of the games

Zelda is nowhere the 2 in popularity.

Pokemon IP is more popular than Mario the video game. That's all he is a video game character. Pokemon the franchise is bigger than the games they make

>>33286902
>>33286924
>>33286938
I feel like you just want pokemon to be bigger than mario here, since now we're moving on to "as an IP" so we can include the anime and manga and toys and such. Not really sure why to be honest. To say Ninty is completely dependent on them the most? I mean, Breath of the Wild sold more copies than ther were Switches. Then SPlatoon sold faster in Japan than that. They are doing fine without Pokemon.

>>33286913
This is pretty much it. It's nothing but forcing handheld fans to make the jump. I'm kind of glad I dont really like pokemon anymore so I dont have to shell out for the Switch games and can just take my time

>>33286913
>Sadly this is an unrealistic goal since the Switch doesn't really appeal to handheld gamers
Your wrong, It appeals to me.

>>33286950
He makes a fair point.
I have no use for a handheld I can't take places.

>>33286954
>take off the joycons
>put them in one pocket
>put the switch in the other

>>33286947
Every system does fine the first few money.

You don't sell 80-90 million systems without longtivity. Nintendo is clearly busting there load to gain people trust back after the huge disaster of Wii u.

First year of switch will be great. What's gonna happen next year. Yoshi and Kirby gonna carry system without major 3rd party. PS4 lineup next year in its 5th year 1st and 3rd party support is gonna demolish everything. What's gonna happen in 2019 and 2020 for switch after they busted there load this year

>>33286950
with paid online, a somewhat low battery life, games that are not designed for short bursts of play, and something that's a bit too expensive for people to be willing to take just anywhere, along with that price, and the cost of te accessories separetly, I'm gonna say it doesnt appeal to the average handheld gamer at all

>>33284166
This. Gen 5/6 share a lot of DNA, and everything from artstyle, music templates, scaling exp, storytelling, and world building should be the base game they build off each gen. XYs distance from gen 5s sensibilities only for gen 7 to go back clearly shows that at the very least its understood by GF that this is a must.

>>33286938
Mario has it's own merch that sells amazingly well, and it's spinoff games (like Mario Kart) regularly outsell the Pokemon spinoffs as well.

I'd argue a Mario movie would make more money, just because it has bigger word of mouth among normies while Pokemon moves have been declining in admittance in Japanese theaters and dubbed straight for TV these days.
The Mario movie failed because it was shit, not anything to do with Mario's merch power.

Even if you look at games, and only games, Mario kicked Pokemon's ass as far back as the DS because if you are counting IPs, you also have to count Yoshi series, Wario series/ware, etc...

But Mario had an excellent anime movie to pitch the games in the 80s. Give it a watch sometime, it was remastered and dubbed by fans.

>>33286957
>having to dismantle a system so that two, 50+USD controllers have to be held in a pocket along with my wallet and phone and still dont fit.

Even without the joycons it still doesn't fit my, fairly spacious, pockets.

>>33286958
>First year of switch will be great. What's gonna happen next year. Yoshi and Kirby gonna carry system without major 3rd party. PS4 lineup next year in its 5th year 1st and 3rd party support is gonna demolish everything. What's gonna happen in 2019 and 2020 for switch after they busted there load this year

They'll get the trust of their most loyal fanboys back but they wont manage to do as well as they did with two systems. Turning your back on handheld gamers after t hey supported you through the WiiU dryspell is a real kick to the teeth.

>>33286958
These are the franchises they still have left for the Switch after this year, excluding Pokemon:
Pikmin
Yoshi
Kirby (2 games generally)
Smash Bros
Metroid
Zelda (the number depends on things like if the handheld team really have come over and if they'll be doing another 3D Zelda)
Animal Crossing
Fire Emblem (since more will come)
Monster Hunter
Bayonetta (which is obviousl gonna get a remaster or new game)

Then there's variables like, will the Switch get it's own Mario Kart that's not a remaster? What about new IP? SInce the system will have a very good first year, what third parties are gonna come to it now?

I'm sure it will be fine

>>33286974
They're going to release a budget Switch that is basically a full handheld after they stop supporting the 3DS in 2018/2019 or whenever

Actually, expect the announcement earlier than 2019

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>>33286968
Budget 48 million

20 million collection

The state of Mario movies.

>>33286985
yeah, you just want pokemon to be seen as bigger than mario for personal reasons

>>33286983
The problem is it will still be an inferior handheld when they could have made an actual handheld rather than sell a Switch without a Switch.
I could see this for the 3DS with the 2DS since the 3DS gimmick was dropped like a hot potato, but assuming a home console will get revisions when the Wii only got a mini and the Gamecube/WiiU did not is a bit of a folly.

Handhelds get handware revisions, home consoles rarely so.

>>33286979
Monster hunter is gone

Besides smash bros and animal cross. None of the games you listed are high sellers

When games like

Monster hunter world
Kingdom heart 3
Red dead redemption
DBZ fighters

Don't show up. You need amazing 1st party

Nintendo is using first party right now in launch year

>>33286985
Man the fact that pulled 20 million despite being so bad really does speak Mario's popularity.

That movie was horrible and some people probably watched it because it had Mario in it.

>>33286988
I agree with all that you've said, but I think Nintendo is too aware of how handhelds are to not know that leaving the Switch as-is will just not work.

They talk about keeping the 3DS alive and it being a budjet system with a huge backlog because they know that right noe, the Switch isnt appealing to handheld gamers and abandoning the 3DS market is a mistake.

>>33286987
What personal reasons? I love Mario kart and smash Bros I find those games fun but I have absolutely 0 nostalgia Mario.

When I hear people say it makes more money than Pokemon it's not the reality of situation we're not in 80s or 90s anymore

Pokemon ip makes billions outside of the games something Mario can't

>>33287000
The only handheld gamers would embrace a Switch light is if it had substantial changes to the system, ones I don't think they're willing to make.

>>33286985
Pokemon Heroes bombed just as hard.

>>33286974
Get a bag

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>>33286996
The first Pokemon movie did 14% rotten tomato and did 170 million budget was Lower than the Mario film

>>33287005
Except thats wrong.
Mario makes almost as much with games as pokemon does total, on top of having it's own merch. Especially because Mario Kart, the sports games, Yoshi, and Wario all fall under it's net umbrella.

And if we're talking something that will game systems Mario absolutely wins because Pokemon couldn't even match Mario on the DS. The 3DS was especially sad because we didn't get any good Mario games.

I don't even like Mario but at least I can see the truth.

>>33287007
>Pokemon Heroes bombed just as hard.
holy shit that and the Hooper movie flopped hard

>>33287007
Pokemon heros only had limited release outside of Japan

I'm using the first Mario movie and first Pokemon movie

The budget for the movie was 48 million and it did 20 million

Pokemon movie budgets are nowhere near 48 million

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>>33287012
TPC had 3.3 billion in retail sales last year

How much did Mario do? Do you have the numbers or just assumptions

>>33287015
Because they're low quality and popped out quickly.
Pokemon learned from this mistake, as did NIntendo in general.
The recent movies, aside from I choose you have no idea how that went, have been flopping as well.

The gimmick of the first movie wore off and now they're mostly Mario level flops.
A sad state, but one we need to deal with.

>>33286992
Kirby and Zelda are absolutly a high sellers and Monster Hunter isnt leaving the Switch just because the other systems are getting one too.

But then again, you think the only higher seller is pokemon so

>>33287005
The convo started as "these systems needed pokemon to survive" then the goalposts were moved to sales of the games in general then moved again to sales of the IP. ANd even then we dont really know which one is selling more when you include all of mario's spinoffs.

It definitely feels like you are constatly stretching things to make pokemon come out on top and I dont see the point

Like >>33287010. AT this point you arent even reading the messages you're replying to it seems

>>33287007
They'd be willing to lose like half of their handheld market?

>>33287026
>They'd be willing to lose like half of their handheld market?
The Switch in general says they are
>>33287007
>Pokemon Heroes bombed just as hard.

Most of the recent Pokemon movies bombed, it's to the point they didn't even tease another one after the newest movie.

>>33287026
Kirby robobot did 1.17 million on the 3ds. In what world is that huge?

There not gonna release a new 3ds Zelda this quickly

Monster hunter is gone from Nintendo dude

>>33287026
>The convo started as "these systems needed pokemon to survive"

Then wouldn't it be fair to compare every IP not Pokemon vs Pokemon?
Like if it can barely keep up with Mario adding in Monster Hunter and Kirby would absolutely eclipse.

>>33287022
So you have no mario numbers either then? lol

>>33287041
You forgot Zelda. Comparing Pokemon to Zelda is more fair, but adding in Mario/Kirby/monster hunter/and other things like Donkey Kong would just be unfair.

>>33287036
Diamond and pearl movies were doing 40-50 million

But Pokemon movies never bomb because the budgets are never high

Nintendo thought Mario was popular enough and gave him 48 dollar million and lost 28 million

>>33287040
Are you telling me being a million seller isnt huge? You know nothing about sales and would fit right in working at Square Enix if you think a game needs to break to million to be a draw

>>33287036
I'm holding out faith in them, which is going to be my downfall

>>33287049
See you are defeating yourself here.
Mario was t hought to be worth a huge budget, but Pokemon has never gotten a budget because they know Pokemon movies would fail(and the recent movies being flops confirm this).

The sad truth is that if Nintendo started doing animated series Mario would get the higher budget because it has more drawing power.

>>33287042
Your the one saying Mario is bigger than Pokemon ip money wise.

you don't provide any numbers. I already said Mario was bigger than Pokemon video wise but as a ip tell me how it's bigger than Pokemon

Mario is only big video game wise. Pokemon is bigger ip than video games it's a multi billion dollar brand

>>33287051
>I'm holding out faith in them, which is going to be my downfall
I gave that up the second they announced the Switch, sadly. This will be the first Nintendo i've let collect dust on a shelf...
>>33287049
It would be more fair to compare the mario movie to the Hooper movie.
The problem wasn't Mario itself as an IP, but the fact the movie was handled poorly.
When Pokemon is handled poorly pokemon flops, it's universal for everything.
Kind of like the new Ghostbusters.

>>33287057
You have no numbers but you want pokemon to be bigger, I get it man. We all love pokemon here.

>>33287042
Yeah I'm kind of disappointed.
I was wanting to believe Pokemon had finally overtaken Mario but he has nothing to back up his claim.
Usually when you claim theres a change in status quo you back it raather than post conjecture...

Oh well, maybe in ten more years?

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>>33287055
It's a animation movie that's why the budgets low. It's for the movie not stand alone

Legendary pictures bought the rights to live action Pokemon ip.

Legendary pictures are known for its high budgets and quality same people who Christopher Dolan batman films

Pokemon is gonna huge budget

>>33287071
And I would be very surprised if it managed to match budget.

Hopefully they learn from the Mario movie, because if Mario was handled poorly and flopped Pokemon will absolutely flop if they handle it poorly.
This movie could print a mint but it still wouldnt make Pokemon any better than Mario, it would just say a better movie was made.

Meanwhile the staying power of Pokemon in theaters, outside this case, is falling so they have their work cut out for them.

>>33287069
TPC has its in brand. So they announce the numbers itself. Separate identity

Mario is part of Nintendo. I can go through Nintendo investor meetings and go through merch but that would take hours

It's weird that I provided the Pokemon numbers but you for some reason won't provide Mario numbers lol

>>33287075
>This movie could print a mint but it still wouldnt make Pokemon any better than Mario, it would just say a better movie was made.

Yeah I can get that. Mario movie was very much an experiment, NIntendo taking their A-game and assuming it would draw people. Sadly things were different then than they are now.
Taking a lesser name, like Pokemon, and making a movie is a good way to test the waters. If this is a success we may get some Zelda/Mario/Kirby stuff in the future.

>>33275989
>First Pokemon games on 3ds
>Fully 3d

No they weren't. Gen 5 and 7 are the only gens that can really be called filler gens.

>>33274323
Yes it was.

>>33287075
Now your talking about quality when you say better. I'm talking about money

The movies Pokemon make yearly are for people who watch the anime that's it. It's mostly to sell merch they replaced misty and brock with 2 characters who piplup and lucario 2 of the highest merch sellers lol

Pokemon live action films would be for the whole fanbase

>>33287084
Nintendo has nothing to with this movie.

They don't control Pokemon like they do Mario or Zelda

>>33287087
I'm talking about money as well.
A movie want draw a crowd just because it has a big name: look at recent Transformers and Ghostbusters.
If the movie is bad Pokemon fans will shun it and it won't make money.

I loved Mario when the movie came out and, honestly? I didn't go see it because I heard it was a horrible movie.

>>33287089
Precisely.
Nintendo has very little to lose from this, but if the market is open to video game adaptations again it would be a prime time to stike(and they could also learn from what Pokemon did right/wrong to make money).

They have just as much staying power, but really the movie quality will be the key.

>>33287091
Those are sequels and reboots. People already know what there getting into with them

Pokemon go reached more people around the world than any Mario game ever will

For 2 weeks it was bigger than instagram and twitter.

>>33273809
So we at least got a confirmation that the A and B teams are actually real, but it's legitimately sad that they only have around 50 people working on one game at a given time for one of the biggest franchises in the world. I understand Masuda's worries about "too many cooks" but this is a worldwide franchise you're talking about here, 50 is nowhere near enough and is basically inexcusable.

>>33277307
>>33279078

>Somewhere in a different timeline, this is what we're getting.

Fug

>>33287087
The quality if a movie determines it's grose, anon.
Critical acclaim doesn't mean much, what matters is if target audience enjoyed it.

The target audience of Pokemon, children, enjoyed the first movie.
The target audience of Mario did not enjoy the movie.
I find it quite impressive Mario did that well when the people it was intended for hated the shit out of it.

>>33287092
Ah. I see. Agreed.

>>33287092
If they think Kirby and yoshi movies would be successful because Pokemon movie was successful than are more stupid than I thought.

Pokemon is way way bigger than that trash

>>33287095
>For 2 weeks it was bigger than instagram and twitter.
Yes. Only two weeks.
Meanwhile everybody around here, including the media, has forgotten about it because it was just a trend.
If Pokemon touched that many people it would still be popular as both.

>>33287092
Yeah Pokemon is an appropriate stepping stone i'd thing. Big, but not too big, and unlike Mario doesn't have much of an image to ruin.

>>33277307
>Would GF still fuck it up?
We'd still have a very linear game lacking dungeons and filled with cutscenes every 20 minutes.
The National Dex would still be a paid subscription.
The games would still be pathetically easy.

The 3DS had very little to do with this, we'd just have double battles with more fps.

>>33287109
Yeah but they what Pokemon is even after the 2 weeks and 60 million active users are using it still. thats a dedicated fanbase

PokeMania was fad the fanbase after was the fans

>>33287119
I miss Pokemania. We don't have nearly that number of Pokemon fans anymore and I miss being able to pull my gameboy out and talk with people about it.

Pokemon Go was very much the same thing. Everybody in town was playing it and suddenly they stopped because the fad died down. Such is life.

>>33287122
That was nice. A short burst that almost rivalled the original pokemania.
Shame it died out and we're back to obscurity.
>I will never show up to the local fleamarket and find it dominated by pokemon ever again

League of legends, dota, gta

These games are most popular franchises. This Pokemon or Mario pool at debating it's like asking who's more popular Steph curry or Kevin durant

There on same team but neither are close to being the biggest video game franchise that belongs GTA

>>33287122
>I miss Pokemania.
Good times. Local newspaper had "leaks" in the form of Togetic/Hoothoot and shit was pretty hype.

>>33287129
>Local newspaper had "leaks" in the form of Togetic/Hoothoot

That sounds AMAZING.

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>>33287128
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_highest-grossing_media_franchises

>>33287135
Your seriously gonna compare a franchise been active for 30 years with 100 spins off

GTA 5 sold 50 million and upwards its impossible to match

>>33287139
Learn what the word franchise means then you fucking idiot

>>33287135
>Pokemon barely beat starwars despite having like 3x the movies

Well now I'm depressed. Thanks anon.

>>33287122
I feel the worst part about Pokemon Go is that people assume that it's peak was the peak of Pokemania.

That shit was wildfire for a long time until the fad died. Comparing later movies to the first one, or any video game movie really, just isn't fair because fad was at max hype.

>>33287139
New Super Mario Bros sold 30 million on one system

>>33287079
Your argument is that one has bigger profits than the other but you dont have the profits for both. You are a fucking retard

>>33286939
Black/White were more technically impressive than Diamond/Pearl, but when the Sun/Moon reveal trailer (mind you, before we had any new Pokémon or footage, when it was just Masuda pointing at things) already had the same warning about the game playing in 2D that X/Y had, I knew that Sun/Moon were going to be just as bad as X/Y.

>>33281875
the main idea for the next games on NS would be making you feel in the pokemon world, exploration is what make me love this series.

>>33284166

XY wild, trainer and battle music is probably the best so far

>>33287149

how you can compare universe made by fans to the universe made by one company for kids

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>people believing mario is a thing in 2017

http://images2.advanstar.com/PixelMags/license-global/pdf/2017-04-top150.pdf

this is ONLY in the merchandise department

I hate Lilie

>>33289715
We all do, poor anon.
We all do.

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>>33289715
Nothing wrong with that.

>>33289715
Most of us do, don't let the waifufags tell you you're alone.