GET IN HERE BOYS!!

>>33264389
And? They're still abominations much like Gen 6 nd SM were.

the blue lines hud was the best hud they ever made. this new one is their worst especially since they are two different colors

The Hud got worse dude
Only thing sun and moon got right is gone

>>33264389
I actually like it more now because it has cool ingame animations, I guess it's time to suck up to another installment.

i love dusk doggo

What the hell is a HUD?

>>33264448
Humongous Used Dildo

>>33264389
>>Quicker KO
Why do people assume this? Of course the bar drains fast when going from 100% to 0% or 20%, it's the same as in SM. Just wait until we see it drain smaller precentages.

>>33264448
Heads-Up Display, it's the decals and features that appear over the gameplay, like the health bar and text.

Ehh, I didn't exactly mind the scribble as actual aesthetics, I was more upset it would hide more of the actual battle screen wise (the ambient, bar in front of pokemon, that stuff).

With this new bar, it's more contained, but at the same time, it's fucking boring as hell.

Will they ever bring back the 1HP jingle song?

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>>33264448
u serious nigga

>>33264467
Thanks, i didn't know that name, i simply called it "HP bar".

>>33264478
Lol, yes

>>33264475
It could happen, it's not like they have to compose much new other shit in this game anyways, they can re-use most songs from SM.

Someone calc the possible HP.

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>>33264389

>>33264448
Heads Up (your ass) Display

>>33264515
why did you post an image of crystal?

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>>33264389

>>33264389
I think everyone missed the fact that this thing took a hammer arm from a bewear. It definitely got some buffs in defensive stat with bewear having 125 atk and 100 bp fighting move.

>>33264475
>Will they ever bring back the 1HP jingle song?

Hopefully only if they make it one of the options because it was garbage. You can have it on but I don't want it.

Same for the "You're a winner! Congratulations!" end of battle music. Made sense in the S/M Champion battle to have dramatic you've won music since the first one was an exhibition match and the others are you as the Champion but changing the music mid-battle so it's no longer more competitive sounding? Fuck off.

Serious B2W2 vibes from the presentation in the UI and music. If USUM manages to have the same content I will be glad, thats enough for me. SM on a whole felt like a somewhat unfocused BW to me, so if they manage a somewhat unfocused B2W2 then thata a succes in my book, as an unfocused gen 5 is miles ahead of whatever the fuck was going on in gen 6 and better then the tail end of gen 4. Comfortably going to sit in my gen ranks at second place, god willing.

>>33264549
A lot of the mons they use in these trailers have random EV/IV spreads, sometimes none.

>>33264549

The Bewear is also 3 levels lower, but even then, the other 2 rock doggos wouldn't take a hit like that that well.

Unless they gave the Bewear a 0 IV in Attack and the dog a 31 in Defense and 252 Evs or something.

>>33264459
Actually in Gen 6 and 7, the HP gauge drains at a set speed based on the attack animation that preceded it. Aerial Ace, for example, lays a right smack down on the HP bar because of how fast the attack animation is.

A couple of the attacks in that video do have their HP bar animations sped up compared to the previous games. Looks like they're all set to max speed actually.

Could've been dev or movie magic though so you can't assume it's definitely how the game will be.

>>33264589
I agree with gen6, but gen7 actually had a fixed time to drain x% of damage from the HP bar. Draining 100% to 0% would take exactly as long as draining 1% to 0%.

>>33264573
Glaceon and leafeo are two fucking foxes with decent defenses but a dog and a bigger meaner dog can't take a hit from bewear like that, and rock type is known for defenses, I'll probably use it

>>33264567
>so if they manage a somewhat unfocused B2W2 then thata a succes in my book

This.

>>33264549
It's a trailer so they probably fudged the numbers in some way. Bewear has a really good Attack stat so I doubt it would have any trouble OHKOing Rock Doggo unless they go really overboard with the stat boosts.

>>33264568
Early stat calcs from SM weren't that far off from the actual in-game stat spreads. School Wishiwashi, for example, was predicted to have a SpDef of 120-140.

>>33264549
Multiple factors.

Bewear may have bad IVs and nature.
Dusk may have defensive IVs and nature for the sake of the trailer. Plus we never saw exactly where its hp bar stopped despite it surviving.

>>33264475
>Will they ever bring back the 1HP jingle song?
I'd like them to bring it back, but only have it play when your last Pokémon is in the red, not all of them.

>>33264624
>>33264549
>Orange Doggo might get Sturdy

I love that up tempo anime music.

>>33264655
Nah it seems like all its abilities are tough claw. Iirc, sun and moon trailers showed 2 abilities usually

>>33264540
kek

>>33264404
No. you just lack imagination and You're uncreative when comes to Pokémon.

Pokémon can look like anything and be based off anything.

The designs for the multitude of species can draw inspiration from anything, such as inanimate objects, real-world animals, mythology and etc.

>>33264656
its the same as the SM theme, just slightly remixed.

>>33264549
Using a neutral nature lv43 Lycanroc(with Midnight stats since is bulkier) and a Modest 0 ivs Bewear we get this
>0- Atk Bewear Hammer Arm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lycanroc-Midnight: 108-128 (77.6 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO.
The Lycanroc survives with 27 HP so it makes sense. However Dusk in the trailer has 123 HP at level 43 which means is less bulky than Midnight that has 126 with 0 ivs

>>33264797
So it is kinda in the middle since Midnight has 85. And I wouldn't be surprised if they chipped some of the Speed to boost the defenses.

>>33264389
the new hud and battle theme are terrible

>>33264814
So it most likely has stats between moon dog and sun dog? Something like 80/115/70/55/70/97?

>>33264814
So dusk dog has say 82 base hp or so. Maybe this thing really is a mix of the other two stats wise.

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>>33264843
Was fun while it lasted.

>>33264843
I hope that's the case so it doesn't outright invalidate the other two like if it were to get a stats increase.

>>33264895
If Dawndoggo ends up staying this event-exclusive Pokemon, it's going to be banned from a bunch of formats like Ash-Greninja is, so it being overpowered compared to the other two wouldn't really matter. On Smogon it'd be chosen over the other two every time, but it's not like any Lycanroc was getting a place on any non-Karenfag team anyway.

>>33264895

It does kind of trivialize making it event exclusive though.

Unless the Event Rockruff can be bred and it's offspring can also evolve into Dusk.

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>>33264895
Dusk dog most likely won't have access to the egg moves that really abuse Tough Claws (elemental fangs, sucker punch and whatever else US-UM adds), so the other doggos still have their perks.

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>>33264938
It's like they've learned absolutely nothing from past experiences.

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>>33264951
I'm pretty sure someone did, if giving you a Zorua for free in B2W2 is any indication.

>>33264938
If its only move that benefits from TC is actually just Accelrock, then it stands no chance in higher tiers. Or even BS.

>>33264484
Mods?

>>33264979
People could always breed zoroark though. Taht's not the case for the oh so special puppy and the recolor.

>>33264705
He's talking about the games, not Lycanroc's design

Best HUD. Now let us change the touch screen background again.

>>33264986
>252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Fire Fang vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 234-276 (66.4 - 78.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Normal doggo needs a SD to beat Ferro. Meanwhile:

>252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Fire Fang vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 296-354 (84 - 100.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

In comparison:

>252 Atk Tough Claws Aerodactyl-Mega Fire Fang vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 256-304 (72.7 - 86.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

>>33265006

How are the games terrible, if he or she never play them yet?

>>33265024
Egg moves are a no go for the dog. It'll probably have whatever moveset ash's dog has.

>>33265024
That is IF it gets acces to Egg moves.

Even still, I doubt it would even be that threatening considering >>33264843
Also, Terrak and T-Tar are stil things.

>>33265050
>>33265045
That's why the other doggos still have something going on for them. Without the elemental fangs, dusk doggo is a failure even in Battle Spot Singles.

>>33265024
>Ferrothorn
Its stats are probably around 82/115/70/55/70/95, so it's still gonna be NU/PU. Put it against threats it will actually met instead of OU mons

It's an event Rockruff. It won't get egg moves

>>33264423
>>33264431
>Suddenly everyone loves SM's HUD
Where were you this past year ?

>>33265035
Anon never mentionned he didn't play those game in his first post

Wow. It's literally nothing.

>>33264557
>Hopefully only if they make it one of the options because it was garbage. You can have it on but I don't want it.
Finally, someone who shares my opinion on this. I don't understand how everyone can enjoy it so much and cite it as part of why they think Gen V's music was so good.

It sucked. I don't usually turn off music when I play through the story, but I started turning the sound off.

Same with the gym leader's last Pokemon music. I hated that, too.

>>33265126
I think Sun/Moon were below average pokemon games overall, but the scribbles were definitely a good design choice. I think Sun/Moon were below average pokemon games overall, but the scribbles were definitely a good design choice. Very comfy.

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I just want something to get hyped.
Orange doggo is not helping at all.

>>33265126
there has never been a time when everyone agreed on anything

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>>33264389
I didn't think they could make SM's battle theme worse but they found a way.

>>33264938
A lot of events have egg moves, alternatively if it is just an event exclusive they can just edit dusk's movepool to include the fangs and sucker punch naturally, like a level 1 move reminder kind of deal.

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>>33264404
>games haven't even came out yet
>unironically putting SM on the same level as X and Y
Why is this a fucking meme? Summerfags need to be eviscerated from this board soon.

>>33264938
Depends from what he gets from tutors. Losing Fire Fang won't hurt as much if it can get Superpower.

>implying they won't add fangs as relearner moves
>implying they won't buff new pokemon in general to get you to buy the new games

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>>33264389
>surviving Hammer Arm from Bewear

What the fuck did they do to this thing?

>>33265587
Fake the video, just like Crabrawler

>>33265543
>unironically putting SM on the same level as X and Y
Because they are. They're both horribly rushed games that stands no chance at being "better" than any other game that came before them.

>>33264389
The music sounds like a YouTube genre-change remix, not something that should actually be in the games.

>>33265603
SM is worse than XY

>>33264506
81.39

>>33265587
It has less HP than a edge dog with 0ivs in hp so i wouldn't take that vid too literally.

>>33265587
Most likely, they used noble roar to make it look tougher.
Note: Lycanroc is calced for level 43, 81 HP, and 70 defense (Day + 5 defenses), and Bewear is level 40. Everyone is 0 iv.
-1 0 Atk Bewear Hammer Arm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lycanroc: 102-120 (83.6 - 98.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>33264389
There is now space for three name plates per side. In SM there weren't, and there weren't Triple or Rotation battles either

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>>33265661
Please don't get my hopes up.

Honestly I don't give two shits about the HUD.

What I want to know is why we're three months out from these games and all we have are form changes on the legends and Day Lycanrock covered in Cheetos dust.

>>33264389
Re the HUD
They've gone from
Literally my little brother's squiggle
to
Literally my dad's HUD

Fucking hell Game Freak why can't you do anything properly.

>>33265459
Could even include a move tutor specifically for this Lycanrock.

>>33265566
Superpower still doesn't hit steels hard enough, sadly:

>252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Superpower vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 273-322 (77.5 - 91.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Fire Fang, meanwhile:

>252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Fire Fang vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 296-354 (84 - 100.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Heck, even a +2 Fire Fang hits harder than Superpower on a physically defensive Celesteela:

>+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Fire Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Celesteela: 312-369 (78.3 - 92.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

>+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Celesteela: 286-337 (71.8 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

So yeah, losing the fangs it's actually a pretty big deal.

>>33265277
>I didn't think they could make SM's battle theme worse but they found a way.

The Fuck, that was the only good thing that came from the trailer tho.

>>33264389
who gives a shit when it's still going to be running at 10fps

>>33264836
This doggo got snowflake stats and moves, it's its own pokemon.

>Ash is going to lose the league even if arceus itself is in his team.

JUST!

>>33265661
Might as well tank the fps on the original 3DS as much as possible at this point, right?

>>33264389
omg it looks amazing THE HYPE IS REAL
USM haters BTFO

>>33265751
Stop hate switchfag go play some zelda and mario kart 8 the games you can play in wii u too

>>33265969
Why are you hyped about this

Does it even matter if this thing can breed? I'm sure it's locked to being male...would its offspring even be able to evolve into Dusk?

>>33266043
As long as the event doggo is the only one that can evolve into Dusk, whenever if it can breed or not its a moot point.

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>>33264999
I'm thinking either Dusk won't be able to breed (like AshGreninja), or it will but the resulting Rockruff can only evolve into regular Lycanrocs.

>>33264423
I'm physically hurting right now. Why did they mess with the hud? Are they going to ruin all the good things in SM?

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>>33266091
Probably, if carroroc is their only enticement to buy the games at launch. And it's "special".

Nice of this trailer to broadcast that it's literally recolored Dayroc. Maybe it's a sign that unlike BW2, USUM will also be lazy recolors.

>>33265126
as someone who has floated around vp for a few years. i laughed at this post. its. always. the. same.
>New Game
>ITS THE WORST GAME
>NEW GAME
>THE LAST GAME WAS SO GOOD THIS GAME SUCKS

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Bw2 had different hp colors background too

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I miss the 90s Jazz cup design they had going on with the HP bar, it fit the region really well and it reminded me of Mario Sunshine too

The new ones ok, pretty good objectively and I love how your and your opponents bars are different colors

Hopefully they have a toggle in the settings to switch back and forth, that way everyones happy, they did something like it before with the touchscreen HUDS in XY

Music is an absolute 10/10 improvement

>>33264389
>the shitty blue smears and uneven healthbars are gone
Thank fuck

>>33265731
No shit +2 fire fang hits harder than Superpower, 65 x 2 is 130 you knob

>>33264454
C mamut

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>>33265189
>terrible HUDs like SM's are comfy

>>33265126
People who hated the Wave hud have always had bad taste

>>33266426
same colors just different sizes

>>33264389
I love when a Japanese company makes a mistake but just has to push it super hard anyways

The animations seem a bit snappier, but it's probably just the editing. I like the new battle UI though, the text box and HP bars are more united. The scribbles were nice but honestly they didn't mesh with any other part of the UI except the Ability trigger box which was orange scribbles.

>>33264557
>>33265162
I can live with the Gym Leader's Last Pokemon music even though I didn't care much for it but the low HP one was hot garbage. Totally killed the flow of any battle with unique music. It could've worked if they weaved the beep into the actual battle music as another instrument and maybe tweaked the tempo to try to give it a panicked feeling, but changing songs outright just fucks it up.

>>33268252
Top is BW1, bottom BW2. Black 2 is as seen there while White 2 is greyish.

This kind of heavy debate over the appearance of an HP bar is one of the instances of actual autism I've seen lately.
I'm just glad it's faster now.

>>33268425
>Top is BW1, bottom BW2. Black 2 is as seen there while White 2 is greyish.
oh so you're just saying the different games had different colors. the complaint about different colors in this thread was how in the same game your bar has a different color than your opponent's bar

>>33268472
Yeah I don't get what that anon was saying either.

I'm cool with it in USUM. I felt SM's scribbles should've had it so your HP bar in Sun was orange, the opponent's was blue, and your Ability activated box was blue and their orange. Then vice-versa for Moon. Make the box at the bottom a neutral white or black, probably white to match the Z-Ring. I'd have gone for a color scheme like that here too though.

>>33268497
you're talking to the anon who made the complaint about different colors in ultra s/m. I prefer both bars be the same colors like they were in that image you posted and s/m.

>>33264389
you forgot:
>same fucking wolf with a little more fluff

>>33268514
I didn't post any image. This discussion is a mess.

But yeah, I like the different colors myself. Different jerseys for each team in a sport, right? My issue is just the color choices USUM made. Would've gone for a deep orange and deep purple like the background on the site and shit.

>>33264389
>Blue
>Green
>No Red
What does this HUD mean?

>>33268550
I thought you were >>33266426 because you responded to >>33268252

to me different colors give me more of a negative feeling like having two different colored gloves/socks for each hand rather than having two different jerseys for each team

>>33268570
Well, one bar is your side, one the opposing side. In Doubles, both on your side will likely be blue and both opposing green.

>>33265859
"How do we make sure as many people as possible switch to the Switch?"
"Ramp up production?"
"Force stores to implement anti scalper measures?"
"Make USUM literally set their 3DS' on fire?"
"3DS fires it is"

>>33264389
You could consider SM's HUD and Wild Battle theme playful.

But USUM's HUD and Wild Battle theme have a serious tone.

>>33269121
A serious tone with USUM is the direction we all want. Let's hope it continues into the next trailers.

>>33265162
Yeah gen 5 music is pretty shit, I mean compare this song in gen 6 to anything in gen 5. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ikVdUelmSgw

>>33264475
1HP music should only be in normal battles, in my opinion. I disliked going into a big battle and the tense music playing normally getting replaced by a song I've heard a million times before in that playthrough.
"Victory Is Right Before Your Eyes!" is GOAT though and needs to come back.

>>33264404
kys genwunner

>>33269518
that's no genwunner anon
that's definitely some gen 5 loving shithead

>>33269414
The 1HP music should stay gone, it's obnoxious when it cuts off the battle music for a very short and repetitive tune.

>>33269223
I wasn't talking about Gen V music in general (although I'm sill not a huge fan). I was talking about the 1HP left trash.

>>33269223
Masterfully done I was expecting some serioua baiy material and you trolled the fuck outta everyone with that remix.

>>33264404
At least they're better than the DS games. That was truly a dark era.

Wtf I love USUM now
That soundtrack is dope

>>33269747
>Dark era
>When GF managed to release 4 great games in a row with ascending quality. Yeah okay buddy, go back to playing Gen 1 and leave people to enjoy the series for what it is.

>>33264389
the hud in sm is one of the only things i liked about it, usm better be fucking incredible

>>33266740
Grasoso asqueroso

>>33270318
>four great games in a row
>when DP, HGSS, and BW1 all exist and are mediocre

???

>>33269414
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zOQwEQuiJFQ

I like Uranium's better. It felt more dynamic to me

>>33270351
This is objectively wrong. It's hard to say which game is the best overall, but HGSS and Plat have to be in the running. Leaning more towards HGSS for the sheer amount of content.

>>33270351
And the best Pokemon game is?

>>33265587
Sunk all the EVs into defense

>>33270571
This game has nothing. I doubt, and hope it doesn't sell nearly as well. What the fuck is GF doing?

>>33270943
Don't buy it I'm not either

>>33265140
It's just a game. I wonder why people here seem to be so passionate about hating, wouldn't it be better to just NOT give this children's game attention?

If the PWT returns I'll never complain about anything Gamefreak craps out again

>>33271177
Anon SM already had the Battle Tree and it was objectively better than the Poo-W-T. Of course nobody will say so because it's hip to pretend SM was bad.

>>33270571
Didnt he say several times that he has some info about the game that we dont and weshouldnt judge it yet?

>>33271193
>Battle Tree better

Because it had 9 old charaters instead over 60?
Because it removed triple ad rotation formats?
Because its a cheaper version of Maison/Subway?

Fuck battle tree, laziest facility yet

>>33270318
>ascending quality

Top kek. You wish, Unovacuck. BW is probably the second worst "first" game after XY.

>>33270571
>buy when he gets a free copy

Shills gonna shill

I wouldn't be surprised if it got a major stat boost, it is essentially the Ash Greninja of these games in that it can only be obtained specially and muh different form bullshit.

As long as the Atk/Speed are above 115 and the movepool is revamped with shit like EQ I'll be satisfied.

>>33271232
He was sarcastic that's the point

>>33271283
So thats why he says has some super top secret info about the game and asks to not shit on the game and then he shits on the game himself

So thats just sarcasm!

>>33271215
Because it had actual challenge.
Because enemies use real strategies instead of type theme teams that are piss easy to beat.
Because it's a superior version of the Maison/Subway.
Because it has Doubles and Multi available at all, unlike PWT (triples were a garbage format and a mistake and everyone knows it)

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>>33271303
In what way shofu gets infomation that exclusive.

Dude just hyping his fans. It's clearly sarcasm

>>33271218
>Sinnohfetus unironically believes that DP isn't objectively the worst game in the entire series

wew

Even sinnohkids who unironically think HGSS and Pt were good can still agree DP were raw sewage. This is some next level delusion you're sporting.

>>33271318
>In what way shofu gets infomation that exclusive.
Ask him, he claims he does

>>33271314
Wow, you really convinced me and expleined it well!

>>33264448
>>33264484
classic underaged posters

>>33270351
Pt-HGSS-BW-B2W2 is pretty much the best run Pokemon has had. Maybe a small dip in content with BW, but the games presentation, music, QoL changes are all a step above HGSS.
>>33271218
XY is a travesty single player wise, but an excellent case study of modern game design. The multiplayee aspect is god like, but they put minimal effort with the region and story. And if you are going to tell me that XY had better map layouts or something, well I can't even bother to argue. Only thing Kalos has going for it is the new Pokemon, and even then its tied with Gen 5.

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>>33269552
Forever living in your head rent-free

USM will suck

>>33272671
So will your mom.

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Hmmm nothing on the left side.

I sure wonder what that implies.

>>33273739
That japanese read from right to left.

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>>33266426

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>>33264389
One of the things that really pisses me off about Sun/Moon is that they made it so fucking tedious to erase EV's from Pokemon. I want to challenge the E4 with my the original team being EV trained, but since the fucktards at GameFreak removed Super Training, you can't do that until you access most of the areas with the right Pokemon to yield the right EV's.

So now my team has scrambled EVs, and the only way to lower them is by feeding them the EV reducing berries that only drop like 10 per piece, and only grow like once a day.

WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY FUCKING THINKING?

I may be autistic when it comes to games, especially Pokemon, but I'm not going to spend the next month farming fucking berries just so I can START EV training. I'd rather just overlevel my team to feel fucking powerful.

It's amazing how they got it right with ORAS and XY with Super Training, but completely fucked it up in this game.

Now that I threw my tantrum you guys think they'll fix this shit in US/UM or nah?

>>33271491
>Pt-HGSS-BW-B2W2 is pretty much the best run Pokemon has had
This meme again. Only on /vp/

Platinum is good

Gen 5 is where the series started going to shit

HGSS didn't fix Johto's biggest flaw: the level curve, and arguably made it worse.

The only one in that you mentioned it the Top 3 is Platinum...MAYBE.

>>33273950
I was disappoint about super training being gone but it's absurdly easy to stock up on EV berries thanks to pelago. Plus there's the time travel glitch

>>33273985
>EV berries thanks to pelago.
You need to put 15 FUCKING Pokemon in Pelago just to create the Berry Island, right? And even then you still need to wait or speed up the 3DS clock.

My point is, what the fuck was wrong with the white reset punching bag? You know, the one you get by just tapping the screen for a few minutes, and when used on a Pokemon, it's EV's instantly erase? What was wrong with THAT?

>>33274015
>>33273985
I mean I WANT to be wrong here. If there's a quick way to erase EVs in Sun/Moon, please let me know.

>>33273950
I don't know man, growing EV berries is far easier than grinding for reset bags. I used EV berries in gen6 as well, so it didn't change much for me.

>>33274015
>>33274023
Look, nobody cares about EVing correctly during the main story, so it's not really much of an issue. It was much harder in pre-gen6 games than it was in gen6, which was incidentally the gen in which the games were retardedly easy.
As soon as you max level your pelago farm, which isn't really that hard, you can farm around 180 EV berries a day, which is more than enough for most uses.