ITT: Shitty suggestions

I think it makes a lot of sense. It's no secret that the gym leaders have different tiers of pokemon they use in accordance with the skill level of the challenger.

But I feel that implementing that into a game is really hard and might be confusing, especially for the younger crowd which GF is trying to aim towards. Which is one of the reasons why I feel like they never made a sequel for colloseum and gale, cause they were hard and confusing.

>>33262197
I can see what you mean by potentially causing confusion. Still, it's annoying that one side of the fanbase will express ire over the linearity situation regardless of what they do. Older players would dislike the straightness as we've seen with BW and SM, and like you said kids could find it confusing.

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>>33262166
shitty graph and legend ahoy

#: Gym number
B#: Before Gym
G#: Gym
A#: After Gym
#+: Bonus area after Gym

>>33262228
I don't know what the Japanese older audience thinks. Perhaps they like it?

It's certainly a viable possibility in the upcoming switch game since it has a possibility of being open-world. I think it'd be really cool if you could subvert expectations and battle the last gym and work backwards. I can see problems with that as usually, the typings get harder to deal with with dragons being last (usually).

>>33262274
I wish it was easier to see 2ch's opinions about the series.

>>33262278
Apparently, they like XY/ORAS more than SM. SM was really bad for them.

>>33262281
Huh, so SM was pretty controversial amongst them as well. Do they dislike it for the reasons /vp/ does?

>>33262281
That's interesting to me. I liked SM way more than I liked XY. Maybe they don't like the darker tones of particular characters or perhaps its their distaste for the anime spilling over.

>>33262303
Here's a thread from the archives where I learned the information from:
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/32747844/#q32748204

>>33262320
...well, that was quite the adventure.

>>33262166
Gen 4 did it first. Wake and Maylene were 5 and 4, and you could do either one first.

>>33262448
Regardless, they all stay at the levels no matter which order you challenge them in. Still, I guess it was a nice way to unlock Fantina.

>>33262166
I think that's the most obvious solution, but I disagree that it would be too hard or confusing. (>>33262197) Most games overall include some branching paths, even stuff like the first Super Mario did in a sense. Of course that's not a 1:1 comparison, but just like >>33262448 said, GF has even done it before. Doing in the manner that OP(>>33262166 , >>33262244) listed is not very labor intensive (basically amounting, in its most derived degree, to including a few new routes, basically setting up the Pokémon sets and levels for two new gyms, and including a few extra flags, without much besides that,) and it would be very easy and rather obvious to say something like "[these two gyms] are the two that you can reach from here, challenge them in whichever order you feel is best." I think that even the most retarded kids with even basic literacy would be able to understand it; not only that, but gf has shown they are increasing navigational aid presence with Rotomdex, meaning that it's much more obvious the direction(s) the player will take.

>>33262448
Gen 1 really.
Koga and Sabrina were interchangeable.

>>33262166
>>33262448
I think I remember doing Wake before Maylene mself actually.

Also going to Sevii before beating Sabrina.

I never break Johto though, force of habit. Feels super odd to me to go to Lake of Rage before even seeing Jasmine

>>33262166
Okay, Flygon's Def and Special Def are now buffed by 40 points each, making it a pseudo-legendary

>>33262688
You can do 6 before 5, but if you do 5 first then you can do 7 before 6
I might be mistaken but is there any reason you actually need to beat Erika 4th?

>>33262448
>>33262688
You could do it the first four gens for sure. Not sure about 5-7 but I'm banking on "no".

>>33263239
No. You need to beat both Erika and Koga before Blaine, but you don't need to beat Erika before Koga.

>>33263239
You can beat her third if you want. You don't get anything from beating Surge, so you can save both him and Sabrina until whenever you feel like it.

>>33262688
After you got Cut and beat Misty to use it, you could do any of the next 4 in any order, actually. It was the Team Rocket bits and Surf that locked you away from the other two meaning if you did Koga you had access to Cinnabar instead as an option.

Though obviously levels weren't modified.

Then of course in Gen 2 you could do choose to do either of the 3 after Morty (since he gave you the ability to Surf). And in Gen 2 Kanto you could do all of them in any order because it was the Team Rocket Grunt power outage bit that locked the areas, not Gym completion.

This is indeed the kind of thing we need to go back to in a BotW style fashion, not just a choice of two at a time, but a choice of at least half of the leaders who trigger level increasing flags.

Which is where BotW failed - the story dungeons of which there were less than normal got EASIER as you went on because no difficulty flags were set and the abilities made everything easier - sure you could turn them off but you shouldn't be programming a game assuming people will not want to actually play it as you intended.