>still no spino pokemon

Maybe they'll come through with something like that in fossil-themed park in the upcoming games.

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you're right, but i'd rather have the more bulky, more modern taxonomy

>>33224211
It'll happen in future generations of Pokémon.

>>33224211
>>33224229
Worst retcon of all time. Almost as bad as the feather dinosaurs redesign.

Jesus, what were the game devs thinking?

>>33224211
Why are birds so sexy?

>>33224211
While I do have a wishlist for future fossil pokémon, I think it's neat that we've gotten some really obscure fossils too. Crawdily and Anorith are both animals I would have never expected in pokémon form when they came out.
I would still love to see an Ankylosaur, Stegosaur, and Spinosaur.
Really, the only loss scenario is GF not putting any new fossils into the next gen.

>>33224211
Finally, a Fire/Ice type with biological radiators!

>>33224684
Torterra is an Ankylosaur

>>33224211
I know, anon. I know. Hopefully GameFreak will add it in future generations.

>>33224211
Don't remind me

Being a spinofag is suffering

>>33224693
Hmmmmmmm

>>33224249
>not liking feathered dinosaurs
It makes them look more beastly imo. Blood-stained bright down feathers is pretty edgy 2bh.

>>33225446
It's an ankylosaur/Tortoise. It also lacks the characteristic Tail-Flail.

Still waiting for my stegosaurus mon

>>33226363
This, a t-rex with a lion mane of bloody feathers sounds kick ass

>>33225446
It's just a tortoise.

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>>33226363
>>33226585
Muh brothers

>>33226611
Must be a subspecies that lives near the Arctic Circle.

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>>33226626
Like maybe a Nanuqsaurus?

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>>33224249
>laughing at feathers
>when this mother fucker exists
tell me you wouldnt run shitless if this came at your jugular cunt, you shut your fucking mouth

ITT: no one understands bird/dinosaur anatomy

>>33226968
>Implying that anyone here (you included) is an expert on the anatomy of a dinosaur or a bird

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>>33224684
Rhyperior is a bipedal ankylosaur.

>>33228079
more like uglylosaur

>>33224693
>Terrible typing
>But amazing offensive potential
Depends entirely on the stat line and abilities. If it has high speed and decent attack or special attack, it's a sweeper, no matter how frail. If it has

i want more prehistoric creepy sea creature fossilmons.

>>33226827
Looks dorky as fuck. Big lizards will always be more threatening than big birdies.

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>>33229071

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>>33229071
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>>33229107
>>33229115
>Needing gore to make something appear scary
Apply the same treatment to a crocodile and you'll have something far more intimidating.

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>>33229134
I honestly don't know how you think this is far scarier than those other two images.

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>>33229153
Giant lizards are just more imposing than giant birds, there's not much more I can say. In any case, the appeal of Dinosaurs to me isn't for them being scary or dangerous, rather just huge majestic beasts. Blood soaked feathers or scales be damned.

>>33224229
So it was basically a giant crocodile with a sail?

>>33226626
Mammals don't tend to lose their hair when they live outside of cold climate
Why would this be any different for dinosaurs?

>>33229071
What's the biggest lizard you've seen? Turkeys are more visually threatening than a komodo dragon, I think.

>>33229153
>>33229190
Crocs aren't lizards you fool

>>33224211
Real Spinosaur had much shorter legs.

>>33226585
>>33226611
Actually T-rex didn't have feathers
Most of the large carnivore theropods didn't

>>33230216
It was a glorified Dimetrodon basically. But we learned about it's correct anatomy only fairly recently.

>>33230297
We don't know if tyrannosaurus had feathers or not
We know it has scales on its legs and neck because that's where we found impressions
But the chances of yutyrannus devoloping feathers independent of the rest of the tyrannosaurs seems ridiculously unlikely
I bet t. Rex had some feathers, for it to have none would be like finding a hominid and assuming it doesn't have hair because it doesn't have impressions

>>33230297
Dimetrodon wasn't a reptile and probably not a great swimmer, but I guess they both have big sails?

>>33230297
>Actually T-rex didn't have feathers
>Most of the large carnivore theropods didn't
We only have a few tiny skin impressions from the hips, tail and underside of the neck. Many T. rex illustrations already leave those areas without feathers.
As for the statement that most large theropods didn't have feathers that is a flat out lie, well preserved relatives of T. rex usually have feathers.

>It was a glorified Dimetrodon basically. But we learned about it's correct anatomy only fairly recently.
What makes you say something as dumb as this. Aside from both having sails they have nothing in common.

>>33230349
I like you, what's your favourite dinosaur?

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>>33230330
>But the chances of yutyrannus devoloping feathers independent of the rest of the tyrannosaurs seems ridiculously unlikely
How so?

Yutyrannus lived in the area of modern day China in a relatively cold climate, T-Rex in present-day North America. Even back then the continents were pretty disconnected from each other.

>>33230361
I have a soft spot for the Utahraptor

>>33230340
Isn't the term "reptile" basically meaningless in modern biology?

>>33230340
>>33230349
Lol I was only talking about an outside appearance (large sail, short legs). Never wanted to imply they have anything in common other than that.

>>33230375
Depends, if you use the old definition that excludes birds then it is kind of useless. Otherwise it is fine.

>>33230349
>well preserved relatives of T. rex usually have feathers
Name one other than Yutyrannus.

So what are the difference between dinosaurs, reptiles, birds, and pterosaurs?

>>33230400
google because fuck typing out all that shit

>>33230372
Because the feathers don't just show up when it enters a snowy area. It must already have them to even think of surviving in those conditions. They must be an ancestral trait of tyrannosaurs, without some exceptionally quick evolution happening

>>33230375
Not since 2013, some "new" tetrapod phylogeny broke them up into two distinct lineages of reptiles and synapsids (mammal line)
Modern science points towards them diverging very early on, and reptiles can be safely monophyletic as long as people include birds

>>33230374
Utahraptor is sweet! I love microraptor, itself

>>33230400
They are all reptiles
They are all archosaurs, a clade of reptiles that also includes crocs
And birds are a specific type of theropod dinosaur

>>33230384
The sails might have looker drastically different however. As new evidence has shown Spinosaurus probably had a flatter sail, while it is possible that Dimetrodon's sail spines were partially exposed.
Also calling quadrupedal legs made for walking on land and legs used for swimming basically the same thing is a very broad stroke, especially since Spinosaurus' front legs/arms aren't exactly ideal for walking on at all.
On top of that one is proto-mammal and the other an (semi)aquatic dinosaur, so there's that. It's about as odd as saying Ankylosaurus is a glorified Doedicurus since they have evolved similar bodies.

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if all dinosaurs had feathers why were birds the only ones to survive the mass extinction event?

>>33230506
body size, primarily, birds were small, could fly to avoid desperate predators, and could eat more dense food items like seeds and bugs to satisfy their hunger

Chances are the extinction event wasn't nearly so "clean", some species living hundreds of thousands of years longer than others

>>33230506
Reminder that feather evidence for non-theropods is very weak and the quills some possess might have evolved separately.

>>33230297
that statement is incorrect
all theropods had feathers
one of t-rex's closest relatives was completely coated in feathers and we have imprints of them
it most likely had small spine like feathers close to what elephants have

>>33230506
Like most small animals. They can survive mass extinction events.

And dinosaurs came in all different shapes and sizes. Not all of them were big guys.

>>33230551
of course non-theropods won't have feathers as we imagine them today

>>33230571
Not all theropods had feathers. Abelisaurids were a distinct group that had crocodile-like scutes along their skin and no feathers as far as we're aware. They're the only exception that is concrete that I'm aware of, however.

>>33230590
I'm under the impression that abelisaurids didn't have feathers, either
at best they'd have some fuzz in some places, but it's curious to think about the ancestry of feathers

>>33229190
do people DO know crocs and birds are both part of the Archosaurs, they ARE related.

>>33230617
Don't crocodiles have the feather gene?

>people hating the new spinosaurus

It fills a unique niche never before filled by a dinosaur, who cares if it wasn't as combat ready as other large therapods, it's really cool nonetheless

>>33224693
A fossil Pokémon will always be part rock type, sadly. Like it fucking makes sense, where all those pokemon rock type before they turned into fossils? I think not

>>33230626
are feathers just not scary? is that why a giant bird isnt as scary as a giant croc? feathers evolved from scales, and to some extent so did fur. skin coverings are all related in some distant way

>>33230626
Yeah, a bit of an assumption but crocs have an unused gene in a very close location to bird's feather production
*I* have no way of knowing if that gene was ever actually in use by crocs (fuzzy, pre-dinosaur crocs sound fun, though), but archosaurs had a lot of pre-adaptation for feathers and flight

Off topic but I think megalodon and titanoboa are overrated

They are literally animals we have today blown up to larger sizes

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>>33230652
that's not what I was trying to say anon pls don't be mad

I actually want to see a fossil based on a Cenozoic era animal, it has been 7 gens and there is still literally none.

>>33230587
>>33230590
>>33230607
Did pterosaurs have feathers?

>>33230674
no, they had pycnofibres, though, which were hair-like structures
Whether they are derived from the same structures as feathers or arose independently isn't known by me

>>33230674
Unconfirmed. I think there was some discussion about them having heat-regulating fuss on their backs and maybe wings, but iirc that theory was dismissed. I don't know for certain right now. My knowledge is that feathers came about within the dinosaur lineage, but if what other anons say is true and all archosaurs share the genes necessary for downy fuzz, then it's entirely possible.

JP poisoned the public perception of dinosaurs

>>33230698
there is fossil evidence for pycnofibres

>>33230710
Sort of. JP was amazing at the time - displaying dinosaurs as fast, bird-like creatures instead of stupid, lizard-like animals
but post-JP dinosaur media really tapered off and the culture around them never grew with the science

>>33230750
this >>33230698 is me, I was uninformed. Thanks.

>>33230775
Hey, no worries! I think especially archosaur physiology is a pretty niche interest as it is, so I'm glad you're taking the time to discuss and learn about it, anyways
Have a good day :)

>>33230710
What's it matter? If people want to know what dinosaurs were really like they can look it up themselves.

>>33230710
>>33230750

At least the Jurassic World explicitly said that the dinosaurs are (both in universe and out) just pandering to the public perception of them, we had a big scene were the head scientist literally says that.

>>33230798
I actually don't like that at all, it's a lame cop-out and it makes people seem dumb and unchanging
Tell me when a new dinosaur franchise comes out

>>33230823
>it makes people seem dumb and unchanging

Because they are

Have you not seen the constant comments about how science ruined dinosaurs? like everywhere?

>>33230798
>>33230823
They just didn't want to go in to detail about why most of the dinosaurs in JP were the way they were. The books go in to more detail about it.

>T-rex can't see things that don't move because of frog DNA
>Dilophosaurus has frills and poison because of reptile DNA
>JP Velociraptor is an entirely made up dinosaur

The first film went in to some detail with the Brachiosaur egg scene but that's as far as it went.

>people actually believe t, rex had no feathers
muh jurassic park
all joking aside it was likely that t. rex had the same types of skin as modern birds, since it was a theropod and they developed like birds. these three types of skin are scaly/bumpy (think of a birds legs) scaly/smooth (think of an ostrich's face) and soft skin where feathers would go. It's been shown with the discovery of yutyrannus having feathers and possible t. rex young having feathers that t. rex likely had these three types spread out like so:
scaly/bumpy on legs
scaly/smooth on face
feathers around chest and back

>>33230861
By some people, but not everyone is the same and culture changes

To me, that sort if excuse is the producers putting the blame of no feathered dinosaurs on us, the people, because it's not what we want to see, which isn't true

That said, I love the JP tyrannosaurus design, very good girl

If you removed the scales from a dinosaur, would they have normal skin underneath, or is it muscles and junk?

>>33231475
Birds' feet would be a good analogue

>>33230897
>To me, that sort if excuse is the producers putting the blame of no feathered dinosaurs on us, the people, because it's not what we want to see, which isn't true
It kind of is though. JP fans won't let go of their T. rex no matter what.

>>33228079
Its a rhino.

>>33231583
Show me a rhino with a massive long tail with a club at the tip?

>>33231602
Show me a turtle with two canons on it's shoulders that shoots water.

It's a fucking Pokemon, thats why it has a flail.

>>33231615
Back canons do no exist in animal kingdom. They are not the same as the tail very characteristic to a certain dinosaur. To say that Rhyperior wasn't at least partially inspired by ankylosaur is retarded.

>>33230374
im all for that dakotaraptor!

>>33230506
misconception. not all dinosaurs had feathers. however, there is strong evidence that most dinosaurs had the potential for feathers.

>>33231634
You're missing the point. Look at any Pokemon and you can see that they tack on extra shit just for design. Ampharos has no business actually having a ball on its tail, nor does Samurott have business having a horn. It's an otter.

Rhyperior's only similarity to an ankylosaurus is its tail club. It shares nothing in common with it after that. I could say that Rhydon is based off the Doedicurus because it has a tail club. Wouldn't make sense because thats the only thing they have in common.

>>33230674
they are reptiles not dinosaurs
they probably did not

>>33230885
we have skin imprints of trex and most of it was featherless
the only places it could have had them were on its thighs or on top of its head.
not to say it didn't have really small ones that left no imprints but its most likely very few or a repressed gene

>>33231799
Last time I checked the imprints didn't rule out the back at all.

>>33231753
>>33231634
>>33231615
>>33231602
>>33231583
>>33228079
We are long overdue for an official Pokemon channel where various artists who've drawn several pokemon designs over the years explain the creative process of making a Pokemon.

>>33231799
>>33230330
>>33230349
>>33230415

Also
>most
The skin impressions were a couple inches long overall, my dude. iirc it was only like the neck, tail, and feet. Those are areas where feathers are generally not reconstructed to have been anyway.

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>>33231799
The skin imprints found, including the recent finds are still in known scaly locations as pic related. And the imprints are extremely small.

>>33231856
>implying most of them know what they're doing at all
>"We starto wis an animar an gib ito new feature!"
>"What about [x design with multiple origins]?"
>"oh, sat was by some guy who isu fire now! he talk about someting carred "insupirashun." we no know what sat isu, but we no rike it!"

>>33231899
Is it bad that I want to hug it?

>>33231899
>those puny wings
Ha, bet it can't even fly with them

>>33224211
>>33224229
Friendly reminder that we still barely have fossil fragments of Spino's hind legs and the short legged version is very much just a theory.

>>33231899
>human
>all scales
not accurate

>>33231947
kek

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>>33231904
BAWWW ID THE LITTLE TALENTLESS FAGBOY MAD???

STAY MAD YOU UNTALENTED PIECE OF SHIT

>>33230885
>>33231899
this is likely an accurate depiction.
>>33231937
can't fly but they can bench 400 pounds

>>33232087
I thought each arm could lift 400?

>>33231899
>rjpalmer
man i really wish people would stop posting this autistic faggots shit. he is the guy that makes realistic pokemon and will actually fight with people who try to say they should look different because "his are how they SHOULD look"

>>33232123
i'v been in his art steams and he has stopped steaming to argue with chat for as long as an hour over how superior his designs are to others.

>>33232123
I thought that was Arvalis? Or are there more than one?

>>33232194
Same person.

>>33232123
He's an actual biologist, posting a real tyrannosaurus drawn by him to illustrate dinosaur feathers has nothing to do with his Pokémon related art.

>>33232470
Kek. Thats funny because it's what he'll actually scream at people when they talk shit about his art.

Spinosaurus is shit now, I hate how science ruins dinosaurs

>>33233664
You're not tricking me
There is no way a reptile that huge isn't cool

>>33230650
But what if it's not?

>>33233664
It is time to accept that dinosaurs were animals, not scaly movie monsters that science "ruined" for you

>>33230506
birds as a whole suffered heavy loses during the K-T extinction event too

>>33233687
>>33233737
>thinking a fish eating hunchbacked pansy is as cool as JP spinosaurus

>>33231799
>>33231841
>>33231873
>the places that we havent found any impression of had feather
come on now not saying anything about any other dinosaur but rex is more likely to be bare or at least as "hairy" as an elephant i mean what large animal has a little "vest" of feathers?

>>33233737
They at least still breathe fire, right?

>>33233758
>implying an animal with a specific survival function cares what someone thinks

kek

>>33233758
>thinking a t-rex copy paste with a sail is anywhere near as cool as a 60 foot long super croc with cropped mating flare, and that awesome looking throat pouch thing
get a load of this FUCKING PLEB

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>>33229107
>implying Canada goose is not scary enough

>>33231939
friendly reminder you're in denial

>>33233828
The robot ones do.

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>>33233882
friendly reminder that the current reconstruction leave us with a rather unlikely animal. The proportions of the arms and legs don't add up for Spino to be a knuckle walker. Look at any knuckle walking animal and you'll see there's proportion between to front and hind limbs that leaves the front limbs larger and more supportive (even Kommo-o's design understands this). The arms of the reconstruction are too short for this but are still in proportion with the rest of body. This means that the hind legs are the thing out of place and make the reconstruction flawed.

Vertebrates where a mistake

>>33234244
Found the Invertafag

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More Sea Fossils would be great

I wanna see something like a Water/Ghost Megalodon or a Water/Dragon Mosasaurus

Maybe we dont even have to ressurect them from fossils but find some still alive,

Just use dive into the darkest depth of the sea and go deeper and deeper
And deeper

>>33234311
water/ghost meg would be awsome just from that typing alone

>>33234311
Sea Scorpion, or would that tread too much on Anorith's territory of ancient sea bug-type?

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>this thread
I feel so happy knowing that there are people like you guys out there

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>>33224211
>someone suggests a pokemon based off a aquatic pokemon

>rock/water

>>33234222
I don't think it was a knuckle-dragger but I do believe it had short legs
I doubt long hind limbs help with swimming

>>33234477
I love dinosaurs more than basically anything so I will take any chance to talk about them

>>33234579
this

>>33234543
>Lives in water
>Is a fossil
What is the problem, hombre?

Oh jesus christ is this a dinosaur thread that hasn't devolved into a stupid feather/anti-feather flame war? I'm impressed

>>33234579
This. Plus anything related to the Cenozoic Era.

>>33234781
for a while it was civil feather/anti-feather discussion but i think most people here agree that feathers are how it happened

>>33234781
>>33234819
This is truly the best thread on vp in ages and we've only had tangential pokemon discussion

>>33234819
>find indie dinosaur game
>decide to go to their facebook page to support them
>turns out head art director is a retard who posts anti-feather articles daily
>recent post is him saying shit like "there is a 2 percent chance that tyrannosaurus was feathered and that there is no debate between scientists" despite the fact that there is a debate going on by actual scientist and that his opinions as an art director for a micro budget indie game mean nothing
>point this out to him and he posts that one inch long skin impression they found
>he also brings up the skin impressions found of despeltosaurus, but says we should not use relatives when yutyrannus is brought up

I stay linked for updates but seeing this guy and his mindless cronies every day sucks so much

>>33234881
I've seen actual paleontologists claim that T. rex feathers but I'm not so sure
If yutyrannus had them, is it really reasonable to assume that they only arose in that genus? I don't know of any other reptiles suddenly spawning fuzz, but I know lots that have it ancestrally..

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>This thing isn't a fossil pokemon yet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yi_(dinosaur)
This thing would be a 10/10 shouldermon.

>>33234915
*claim that tyrannosaurus did not have feathers
Of course, it seems like I lost a bit of my post

(Sorta) Off-Topic question: Did Elasmotherium have a heavy coat and how big was its horn so that it could live -for a lack of a better term- comfortable?

>>33234915
exactly

My main point with yutyrannus was that the relatives only matter when he wants them to matter, and no one calls him out because he has a lot of authority there

He also hasn't figured out facebok posts can be edited, so most of the comments are from him correcting typos from his first comment, it's pretty funny

>>33234924
Yi qi and microraptor are absolutely my favourite dinosaurs
Brief Windows into the frantic evolutionary race to be the most successful flying reptile.. Since these creatures are so small, I wonder how many failed flying configurations existed that we'll never get fossils of

>>33234930
Eh, I don't worry too much about those sorts of people
Dinosaur knowledge changes every year so I just want to keep on top of it, myself, and hope others will listen to me

>>33224249
before that it was literally my mom's baryonyx with a sail

>>33234981
it's so frustrating to watch as a dev for the game you are anticipating just claim that things that are clearly happening in the community are not

Like holy fuck there is a debate going on. And you have zero authority to assign odds to things because one: they do not work that way and two: you are not a paleontologist, you are an artist.

While his behavior regarding criticism is horrible this guy >>33231899
acknowledges the science and findings and makes sure his art fits with everything that has been found, while this guy just ignores everything going on around him

>/vp/'s most decent thread is offtopic

damn

>>33235035
Yeah, I get what you mean
I wonder how those sort of people even get in those positions in the first place?

>>33235029
baryonyx and suchomimus are plenty cool without the sail, anyways

>>33235091
because dinosaurs are the sweet spot of being just related to pokemon enough that we have enough people who can talk on the subject, but just far removed enough that we don't get the shitposters

we are in the habitable zone of threads, so to speak

>>33235113
and he has the nerve to shit on saurian's art direction, you know, the game that actually had real scientists help design the look and behavior of the dinosaurs?

Some think T Rex has feathers and others don't, that's why it's a debate. But to not only ignore the debate, but to actively tell others it isn't happening shows you shouldn't have this much authority on a project that strives for accuracy

i'm sorry I've been dealing with this for months are it is annoying

>>33234929
quick google shows no impressions/fossils have been found of an elasmo horn/fur. it is safe to think it probably had fur considering the period it lived in though
>>33235035
>muh skin impressions
from under tail and feet? where scientists agree feathers wouldn't be anyway?
top kek this guy sounds like a stubborn fucking moron
>>33235091
lets discuss times we loved GF's scientific accuracy with fossilmons.
archeops looks fantastic and i love that they gave it that goofy flap considering archeopteryx could only glide
tyrantrum having strong jaw = good

>>33235195
I'm just glad that me and my friends are not like this, it sounds like that guy is just exhausting to be around so people give up opposing him

>>33235202
Tyrantrum has really the perfect Tyrannosaur pokemon design, I think, it does the concept a lot of justice

I wish we had Tyrantrum being badass in the anime, the thing looked like a badass

>>33235242
He was once but he was only one of those "Pokémon of the week" things, and he only showed up at the end of the episode as a Tyrunt that evolved into Tyrantrum

>>33235251
>we never saw it in an actual battle

I bet it would have been a beast

>>33230506
>if all dinosaurs had feathers
they didn't, next question

>>33235289
>there are people who think that things like ankylosaurs and sauropods had feathers

Between those people and Robert Fabiani (the guy who I was talking about earlier and whose name I was not going to mention but fuck it) I have lost most respect of the paleoart community

I hate paleoartists so much

>>33235322
Yeah, I've encountered some obnoxious paleoartists, because I use tumblr to follow a lot of dinosaur blogs

I guess the conditions required to want to and succeed at being a paleoartist output some wonky human beings

>>33235322
>Ankylosaurus with feathers
Wait, what?

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>>33235289
>they didn't, next question

>>33235643
he said NOT ALL dinosaurs had feathers fuckwit

>>33235643
Obviously some dinosaurs did, but not all of them

>>33231899
>>33231929
Same here. I think it looks kinda adorable, desu

>>33235662
>>33235663
Shit, I didn't read it right. My bad. No need to get assblasted.

>>33235242
>>33235251
>>33235268
He was my number one wish for an Ash capture

>>33235195
>saurian

It's out on early access and I can tell ya that Rexes fuck shit up in that game

You can only play as the Dakotaraptor at this point, and even at the adult stage if you see a Rex you should run in the other direction

>>33235711
Is it fun? I want to support them but I'm not certain about the game

>>33235972
Wait until more stuff comes out, it's entertaining for a while but most creatures that will flesh out the ecosystem are absent

>>33234881
What game?

>>33235984
yeah, that's what I was thinking
I'm just happy there's a dinosaur game made with such good intent

>>33235990
mesozoica

And the guy's name is Robert Fabiani

>>33236013
Really? That's too bad. It probably wont effect my enjoyment of the game when it releases but I'm a lot less confident in their team with a guy like that on board. I stopped playing The Isle because of the terrible attitude and decisions of the devs, would be disappointed if the same happened ti Mesozoica

>>33236058
>I stopped playing The Isle because of the terrible attitude and decisions of the devs

Never played it, explain

>>33234924
Archeops is pretty similar though, no?

>>33224211
Dimetrodon would be a better finbacked fossilmon, imo.

Velociraptor & some kind of ancient millipede would be my top choices, though.

>>33236086

Well, Yi qi's most unique feature is its supposed membrane wings

What about a fossil alien?

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>>33224229
>it's an Ibrahim's Spinosaurus episode

>>33230650
>Aerodactyl
Yes.

>>33236190
Good point. That was fossilized in amber, so would be grass-type if the fossilization affected it.

>>33236206
well amber is still a rock. it used to be a plant, sure, but all organic plant material is gone, same with fossilized bones.

>>33236078
Mostly small things here and there, added up over time
They make a lot of design choices based on they feel, which is normally fine since its their game and its EA, but their reasoning behind those decisions is not consistent. For instance, they made the Utahraptor a JP raptor simply because they wanted a JP raptor in the game, but then they completely changed the Allosaur model because it wasnt realistic enough. Anything that sounds like criticism, constructive or otherwise, is met with a ban from their steam forum. They also tookout sandbox mode because they wanted more people playing on progression based servers and only brought it back when they noticed their player levels significantly dropping. Again, most of it is small stuff, just odd decisions with little reasoning behind them besides "because we want to". The thing that killed it for me was when they took away the ability for dinosaur players (humans are planned to eventually be released) to check vital information such as their health, bleed level and position coordinates. A new smell based tracking system is planned to replace the coords but its not implimented correctly yet, and its very easy to get lost for hours on certain maps. Their entire reasoning behind this change was because "its not very realistic for dinosaurs to know their health and position with the push of a button" despite food, water and stam levels being part of the UI already and the already unrealistic nature of the game (its going to have mutant dinosaurs and cannibal human/dino hybrid tribes). I might check it out again when its finished/fixed, but right now its unplayable for me.

>>33236249
Sounds frustrating, realism seems to be an issue only when they want it to be

Like they made Spinosaurus a physical embodiment of god in that game if the videos I watched anything to go by, which sucks because what it was IRL was much cooler than a murderous monster that can destroy anything

>>33236286
Their original plan was to have two Spinos: one based on the quadruped theory that had a more realistc approach and one based on the JP spino because why the hell not. Currently, the JP spino is the only one in the game and Its the weakest out of all the alpha predators. Its supposed to be mainly a fish eater but fish were supposed to be in the game a year ago and are MIA. Im pretty sure the quad-spino's assests are being recycled to make the hypo-spino, which is a big monster-movie, npc only mutant.

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>this thread
Am I the only one that was reminded of this?

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>>33225446
Torterra is Ninjemys.

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>>33234596
we have literally a dozen water/rock pokemon. Heck we already 6 fossilmons that are rock/water 7 if you wanna include Relicanth

>>33236372
The first two games were stellar. I spent a LOT of time in Champions getting enough golden fossils to Super Revive a ton of mons. I also remember using a golden fossil on a Lambeo for those sweet buffs and low FP moves, and a silver... head, I think, on a T. rex to give it 109 attack. I felt like the best player on there while the online was working. It felt so good to play.

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>>33231899
>>33231873
>>33231841
>all the place we dont have impressions of had feather
not talking about anything other then T.rex come on now rex was likely about as "hairy" as an elephant what with those new skin impressions coming to light, i mean animal has a dinky little vest of feather half way up its torso?

>>33232087
>accurate depiction
>heavily feathered neck
We know for a FACT that T. rex did not have a feathered neck.

>>33236767
No proof for a scaly neck either

It's more likely that rex had feathers, than having none

>>33236787
There IS proof of a scaly neck though. T. rex did not have feathers on it's neck, this is not up for debate.

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>>33224211
Show me your dream fossilmons nerds

Rock/fighting Therizinosaurus with tough claws

>>33236766
>skin impressions
>from the underside of the tail and bottom of feet
>where feather scientists agree there weren't feathers
>>33236331
i used to love isle, my bud and i would play as puertosaurud and herd with herbivores and hunt down and murder the carnivores
literally the most based dinosaur game until they started shilling progression

>>33234222
unlike pokemon real animals exist
its tail was a powerful muscle it could have made the center of mass over its thighs
that ain't even that hard to bullshit

>>33234477
im just baffled there are feather deniers out there
but then again flat earthers still exist

>>33236797
should have sap sipper with tough claws as hidden ability, have a crazy high attack stat with some good hp and speed but bad bulk

>>33236813
>good speed
you think so?

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>>33236792
There are words on a neck skin impression, not full scales. That impression is probably from the throat-pouch or in between the feathers. Tarbosaurus, a relative had such an impression as it had a throat pouch.

>>33236820
i just imagine it sounding like ostrich do

>>33236797
REEEEEE IT SHOWS TYRANOSAURUS WITHOUT FEATHERS

DELETE THIIIIIIIIS

t. autistic featherfag, AD 2017

>>33236813
lets be realistic
tough claws
good attack
decent bulk
weak special and weak speed
like
dirt slow speed

>>33236803
I used to group up with other carnotaurs and attempt to kill carebear rexes sitting around the lake playing birdbath simulator. It was hard but with enough coordination it could be done. I even had a buddy who could solo rexes by abusing the increased turn speed crouching gave carnos.

The small group of us became so infamous on our server that all carnos became kos. Shaunts and rexes would chase carnos halfway across the map regardless if we were associated with them or not.

Now carnos do shit damage/bleed to anything thats bigger than a diablo and rexes heal everything off within a minute. Its probably better for the health of the game but i miss those sweet few months of carno terror

>>33236840
epik strawman anon XD

Upvoted XDDDDDD

>>33235091
>>33234858
You're kidding right? It's almost a 1:1 copy of the same offtopic dinosaur threads that get spammed on /v/ almost daily. Same pictures, same stale discussions that never go to anywhere. I'm surprised the mods haven't deleted it yet.

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>>33236797
Why is there no Dimetrodon yet? It's so iconic.

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>Babirusa MUST have hair, you retards! All other wild pigs have hair, why would babirusa be a random exception? It's not a special snowflake! Animals can't just randomly be naked if all their relatives are hairy, that's retarded!

>>33237490
My favourite dinosaur.
>>33237714
>STILL no ghost type Babirusa pokemon with tusks that pierce it's own skull

>>33237714
Animals evolving to lack traits that all of their relatives display is a weird exception kind of thing, not a normal occurrence. If all you know about the babirusa is that it's a pig, and you know that pigs have hair, assuming the babirusa has hair too is the most sound assumption to make unless evidence suggests otherwise.

I never see anyone try to argue against smilodon having hair, I wonder why

>>33236904
to be fair, that's in comparison to the shit this board normally posts

>>33225446

>ankylosaur
>no club tail

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>you will never pet a fluffosaurus

I didn't know there was a spinosaurus in jurassic world???

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ayy lmao

>>33236121
you mean Arthropleura? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthropleura and we sorta already have one with Scolipede

>>33236632
holy shit youre right

>>33236904
I don't go on v so this means nothing to me

>>33237714
Well, this thing can't be completely hairless, can it? At the very least it has eyelashes, I'd wager
And that's the point. Why making such leaps of judgment and specific assumptions when it isn't needed?

I am happy to know more about T. rex, whether it had a significant amount of feathers or not, but I'm not going to pretend I can say it didn't with any certainty

>>33237771
Dimetrodon ain't even a reptile
But it's still a very cool animal and deserves to be your favourite

>>33237836
I hear that smilidin and other saber-toothed cats probably had big cheeks covering their big teeth, instead of having them exposed
This is because modern tusks have identifiable wear and chemical makeup as a result of being exposed all the time, and smilidon doesn't show these

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>>33236797
Maybe rock/poison or something

Also what era would you guys want the next fossil Mons to be from

>>33238161
It made a cameo appareance as a skeleton.

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>>33237490

>>33239293
Stop posting this diseased individual.

>>33237852
Many ankylosaurs didn't have tail clubs, like Nodosaurus, for example.

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>>33229071
>Big lizards will always be more threatening than big birdies.

>>33230798
>>33230823
The worst thing about it is that it turns out it had nothing to do with pandering to public perception, the whole thing is just a cover for a fucking dinosaur weapons program

>>33240532
right
the fake dinosaurs was the worst part of the film, it was down-right embarrassing to see the big fakey next to the T. rex and have their designs contrasted

>>33239293
this meme... the paper even states it was a pathology... people need to stop getting their info from second hand blog posts and youtube videos

>>33240510
>RAGING

>>33239320
>>33240766
Explain?

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>>33240887
long story short about a year ago dispite DImetrodon being known from dozens of specimens and having like 9 species assigned to it one sick or injured specimen was found and everyone made it this new half sailed thing blogs and certain youtubers made it a big deal it was over in a few months but the damage was done

>>33230506
I read a study once that talked about what species survived the K-T extinction and why.

To this day I wish I could find it again because it was absolutely insightful into why so many common traits exist among birds, reptiles, and mammals that flourish today.

Basically the animals that survived were ones that were small enough to have low metabolic requirements, animals that were semi-aquatic and were able to stay submerged underwater during the time of the K-T impact, animals that were in burrows, caves, or sheltered nests (think tree hollows, dens, underground burrows), were able to avoid staying above surface except in minimal circumstances, and weren't so large as to require large amounts of energy to be replenished often.

Consider how many species of mammal have an innate ability to swim or have an innate drive to burrow, create underground dens, or seek out caves to live in.

Why do birds make nests inside of trees?

Of course crocodiles and turtles survived, the smaller species would easily require minimal time above water to not get scorched by the heat wave. The smaller species also required less food as opposed to larger species which is why you would see moasaurs and pliosaurs die off but not turtles or crocodiles.

If I recall correctly, birds and crocs flourished first in the beginning of the Paleocene until mammals took off towards the end of that epoch and into the Eocene.

>>33230265
because of the size

>>33236372
>>33236757
Fucking loved FF and Champions.

Great games. How Frontier dropped the ball that hard is a mystery.

>>33242403
What about the size?

Tfw no dinosaur loving bf

>>33230278
>bird whose neck you could easily snap
>Giant fuck all monitor with venomous saliva

Yep, more imposing for sure.

>>33230330
Legless Lizard

>>33244629
Never been to farms as a kid? I'm definitely more afraid of turkeys than monitor lizards
They are much more aggressive and ugly with structures meant for display

>>33244753
I haven't been to the komodo islands either but I'm pretty sure if I was staring down both a Turkey and a komodo dragon, I can tell you which one I'd be running from.

Hint: its the motherfucker with venom.

>>33244648
Yes but the legless lizard isn't a type of gecko or something that had legs in the same family

>>33244827
Maybe you misunderstand me. I'm not trying to say a turkey is more dangerous, but I believe turkeys have a much scarier appearance
You can have whatever opinion you'd like

>>33244886
Pygopididae

>>33224229
Ibrahims spinosaurus theory uses a Juvenile's spino back legs.

>>33235029
That's because it IS effectively a Baryonyx with a Sail.

>>33244886
Komodo Dragons can reach 10 feet in length. They're really big.

>>33240766
Well it's more likely than a flimsy sail on an animal that was related to modern day mammals.

>>33245006
That's it's own family, though. All of the members of that family have reduced limbs, and so I would say that it's an ancestral trait of that family

If there were legless animals in another gecko family, like diplodactylidae, then I would be very humbled and change my opinion

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>still no prolapse pokemon

>actual discussion
>minimal JP fans shitting up the thread

The funny thing is, this is a better dinosaur thread than /an/ has ever had, you know, the pace where it's actually on topic

I really like the real spinosaurus, you will always get those people who say that if it isn't JP supermonster Spinosaurus it isn't cool, but fuck those guys. It's much cooler to have a unique function in a unique ecosystem (an ecosystem with mostly predators) then to be a movie monster

>>33245668
I'm gonna be a little sad when the bump limit is reached and my friendly dinosaur thread will be gone

>>33244629
>Bird that literally impales smaller animals on branches
>Bitch ass lizard that while drop it's tail for you at a moment's notice

>>33245322
Dimetrodon was not closely related to modern mammals.

>>33224229
The specimen used to make this meme has since been split up into three different species. Fossil poachers, not even once.

>>33245668
The issue around Spinosaurus is it's Hip structure just doesn't support being either a knuckle-walker or a weird crocodile Dino.


>>33246168
Not even Fossil poachers, it was literally one guy going hyper autistic and using a Juvinile Spino back legs on an adult hip and bone structure.

It's why his Bone diagram shows Spiny has having the biggest childbirthing hips ever.

>>33246159
It was a mammal like reptile and is speculated to have hair like objects on its body. Also it was a synapsid like all living mammals and every mammal that has ever and most likely will ever exist.

>>33224211
Rock/water?

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>>33246237
Synapsids aren't Reptiles. Dimetrodon was not particularly close to Mammals among Synapsids, even this ugly motherfucker was closer.
>most likely
It is impossible for a Mammal to not be a Synapsid.

>>33246237
Mammalian-like reptile is an outdated and incorrect term. Use proto-mammal.

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how do you all feel about Dinosaurs in other media such as Digimon or Yugioh?

>>33246099
>komodo dragons drop their tale.

Bruh.

>>33245327
But Pygopididae contains members of the Gecko Clade.

>>33246287
Fuck, I typed tail, you can't tell me I didnt, cause I fucking did.

>>33246287
Talking about geckos
Was trying to show how dumb it is to compare something like a Komodo to a turkey

>>33229071
Ike, hippos are so dorky with their fat lips and overweight bodies

>>33246297
Yes, but being it's own family means all the members are related and descended from legless ancestors

>>33246575
My point was the a turkey can puff itself up, flap its wings, and scream where a komodo cannot
I just choose a big lizard and a highly aggressive bird to compare
And I'm certainly under the impression that I will suffer more turkey attacks than komodo

Turkeys are just scary animals.. Pls don't bully

>>33247300
You are more likely to be attacked by a turkey because they are more widespread and common and poeple are more relaxed around them because they aren't dangerous or aggressive

What are the chances of entirely new class of animals to appear? The last class to appear was Birds in Jurassic, and even they are basically just feathered reptiles. Since that time nothing entirely new seems to appear, new orders and families, but it mostly the same shit.

>>33247328
Turkeys are certainly aggressive, especially as farm animals go
They're some of the grumpiest shits I've seen

>>33246588
On the other hand hippo skulls are terrifying.

>>33234924
I can see this evolving into a quetzalcoatlus kind of thing

>>33247525
that sounds like something gamefreak would do

I think Archen is really cute
It's a shame about archeops, though

>>33249442
Early Bird as hidden ability when?

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Imagine what a hippo would be envisioned to look like if all we had were fossils to go off of.

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>>33251293
They explored that a little in the book all yesterdays

>>33251630
So Dinosaurs are actually really lame looking?

>>33251693
How so?

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>>33251693

You're pretty lame looking.

>>33251693
Probably, they're just animals. They're not some mythical beast, just really old animals

>>33252062
Looks like a Kaprosuchus

What about a Mega Krookodile?