>yfw there are over 200 Pokemon in PU

tier below pu when

>>33222512
how many of them are alolamons?

>>33222525
less than the amount of johtomons

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>>33222512
>Fairly small power gap
>Lots of variety
>Not toxic like OU
I like this tier

>>33222512
>around 230 fully evolved mons in PU alone
>around 260 above PU
whoa

>>33222525
Most of Alola ended up in NU.

>>33222543
Is it really that good? Haven't played competitively in months but I might give PU a shot.

>>33222543
>>Fairly small power gap
objectively false, rotom-frost is orders of magnitude better than unown

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>>33222543
>Fairly small power gap
You're joking, right?

>>33222543
We need an FU tier

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>>33222512
>mfw there were almost 500 Pokémon in NU during Gen 5 counting forms

>>33222656
I'm glad they made PU to sort it out. But it still has a ways to go. We really do need another tier.

>>33222512
What pokemon are considered top tier in PU?

Why exactly is this a surprise? Each tier has around 55 pokemon in it, including coincidentally Ubers, which I think doesn't surpass 60. Adding the pokemon from the BLs, we get around sixty pokemon (including megas and other forms) in each five tiers above PU. You really think ALL fully evolved pokemon and all their formes could be evenly distributed across six tiers? FU will just have around 60 less pokemon than PU.

>>33222698
The main problem is that even with 802 existant Pokémon and their formes, Smogon still doesn't allow any tier not named Uber to have more than 50 Pokémon, that's why the lowest tier is always filled with that high amount of Pokémon, and instead of adding more Pokémon they create a pseudo tier named Borderline where remain Pokémon that MUST be OU but "are not too useful in OU and too strong for UU".

I feel like FU will have to become a thing eventually. But...what comes next? CU? ZU? BU?

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Stop complaining that your favorite Pokemon isn't competitively viable.

>>33222955
The tiers are usage based, retard.

>>33222955
That's not how it works at all.

>>33223012
Smogon needs to decrease the cutoff percentage.

>>33223032
They could decrease the usage cut off to have 100+ pokemon in OU. But that won't stop the fact that only around 60 of those are actually viable.

>>33223012
I know that they are usage based, but they only allow the 50 most used to remain in a tier, but I think that with that huge amount they at least must increase the numbers to 55 most used.

>>33223061
That's not how it works at all. A pokemon is considered OU if it gets more than 3.41% usage. Hell, there's more than 50 pokemon in OU right now.

>>33223056
You know, there are actually decent Pokémon in UU like Arcanine, Mew, and Scizor (only to name a fews), but the only fact that they aren't in the top 50 of OU is the reason they are in UU.

i can't wait for FU

>>33223100
Arcanine is garbage in UU and Mew is OU.

In any sort of competitive game that is based on various interchangeable pieces/characters, it's inevitable that despite efforts towards balance, the top tier of competition will tend to center around a much smaller portion of the entire pool of available options. You see this for example in card games, e.g. in Magic: the Gathering there are upwards of like 30000 different unique cards, but in a competitor format only around 2-300 or so of them actually see play in serious tournaments.

So really, Pokémon is no different in this regard, and actually Smogon does a fairly decent job of balancing the competitive formats to allow for a fairly large variety of different 'mons to see tournament play.

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That's why we need another tier or changes to be made to the existing tiers.

Food for thought: In Smogon's eyes, Luvdisc is in the same league as Pokemon like Gallade, Regirock, Gastrodon, etc.

Usage stats for july just came out

>>33223160
Literally no one believes that. Luvdisk is fucking unviable in FU. That's why stuff like viability rankings exist.

pu only just started up and usage =/= viability, let things settle and the number will lower

fu is probably happening this gen anyway (I would've preferred a barelyused between ru and nu but same difference really)

>>33223208
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usage-based-tier-updates-for-june.3606072/page-4

Banette-Mega moved from OU to UU
Aggron-Mega moved from OU to UU
Scolipede moved from OU to UU
Salamence moved from OU to UU
Tornadus moved from BL2 to UU
Porygon2 moved from BL3 to RU
Hawlucha moved from BL2 to UU
Abomasnow-Mega moved from OU to UU
Manaphy moved from OU to UU
Suicune moved from BL2 to UU
Pelipper moved from UU to OU
Camerupt-Mega moved from OU to UU
Audino-Mega moved from UU to RU
Swampert-Mega moved from UU to OU

>>33222551
Except Silvally, who's so bad that all of its forms are in PU.

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>>33223263
>Hawlucha got more usage than Charizard X this month

THIS ISN'T FAIR ALANBROS

>>33222512
It's almost like smogon's tier system isn't very good at making metas!

>>33223100
Arcanine is trash in every meta not named VGC.