What went wrong, /vp/?

>>33197998
>nearly half of all fully evolved mons are PU
>all Alola forms are still better competitively than their regular forms (yes, even Raticate)
Just look on the bright side

>>33198009
>all Alola forms are still better competitively than their regular forms
Wait nvm I just remembered Alolan Dugtrio existed

How can one mon be so forgettable?

>>33197998
You're using Smogon tiers

>>33197998
Dugtrio-Alola lost speed and Arena Trap
Exeggutor-Alola has no benefits over its normal form and gets fucked by the best type in the game, fairies
Golem-Alola sucks like regular Golem
Persian-Alola is the same story
So is Raichu-Alola, Raticate-Alola, and Sandslash-Alola
Also, Sandslash-Alola fell for the slow, frail Ice type meme

>>33198029
Sandslash and Aurorus is literally the best team core in NU right now. It's probably going to move up in the tier shift, at least.

>>33197998
Power creep and Smogon tiering procedures make it difficult to advance beyond a certain tier. Expect Alolan Ninetales to drop to RU or even NU in the coming months.

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>>33198058
>Expect Alolan Ninetales to drop to RU or even NU in the coming months
>when it's currently being used in practically every HO team in both UU and OU
If anything expect it to move up.

>>33198015
the sad thing is it was set to be the best of the bunch but then they did the dumbest thing possible and removed the one aspect that makes dugtrio viable in exchange for a rough skin clone

>>33198079
The hidden ability for A-Dugtrio should just be Arena Trap.

Or Tangling Hair should just be reclassified into a clone of Arena Trap

>>33198079
>rough skin
More like a Gooey clone. Except it's on a Pokémon that can take more then one hit, and it replaced Dugtrio's greatest niche.

>>33198148
can't*

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>>33197998
>Tfw most of the alolan forms are shitty, but Alolan Grimer ends up being top-tier in Little Cup

>>33198029
>Exeggutor-Alola has no benefits over its normal form
It gets Dragon STAB(walled by less types than Psychic) + Fire coverage. Its already better than the base form.
>gets fucked by the best type in the game, fairies
Better than being a Psychic type. And I see little fairies willing to switch into a STAB Leaf Storm. And under Grassy Terrain, it has even fewer Fairy switch-ins. It also gets Sludge Bomb too, but LS does more damage unless you need to hit stuff like Togekiss.

Heck, the only merit to even use the base form is if you need a Chlorophyll abuser. The Alola counterpart has better type coverage otherwise.

>>33198293
Tell me when you attack. Oh wait, you already fainted by a Fairy or Ice type move? That's unfortunate...
And considering many fairies have amazing Special Defense, well, you do the math.

>>33198320
The same could be said about Kanto Exeggutor and Dark and Bug types. And both Exeggutor forms learn Trick Room, so speed isn't that much of a problem.

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>>33198058
>arguably the best hail/aurora veil setter going that low

>>33198058
>Not knowing jack shit about the meta

If anything it's going up to OU soon. Aurora Veil is the new meta.

>>33198058
All the top OU players are using Ninetales, anon

>>33198422
I didn't know something currently ranked at B- on Smogon's OU viability rankings defined the meta. It is a niche choice.

Even in UU (different meta with different threats and viabilities) Alolan Ninetales doesn't fare much better.

>>33198320
No fairy runs maximum special defense though. The type's resists mostly physically oriented.

>>33197998
they are meant for double battles

>>33198106
>Or Tangling Hair should just be reclassified into a clone of Arena Trap

It should effect a different range of pokemon. Like anything that can SE hit steel can switch out because so it covers a different niche for dugtrio to revenge kill

what does PU even stand for?

Do alolan forms smell funny?

>>33198383
Trick Room us gimmicky shit.
When people are at a loss to defend their shitmon they go "at least they can setup/benefit from Trick Room

>>33198529
Retard. Setting up Trick Room for yourself and not your teammates is no different from setting up Agility. While Exeggutor does benefit in a Trick Room team, it doesn't need to be in a dedicated Trick Room team to utilize Trick Room.

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>>33198495
>Tapus, Burn Up Arcanine and UBs run too wild to allow for anything other than A-Marowak to flourish

>>33197998
even if they are pu, they're all better than their original forms except dugtrio. removing arena trap removed any reason to use it.

>>33198594
>comparing TR to shit like SD

That's retarded though. TR has a timer, so it only stays up for a couple of turns. Moves like SD stay as long as the Pokemon stays or if something like Unaware comes into game. TR is shit in singles too, with the amount of switches you need to make.