>all forms is PU tier What went so horribly, horribly wrong?

>>33141691
Being a second Arceus and edgy.

NO
MOVE
POOL

>>33141711
>edgy
Shadow is edgy, that thing is not.

>>33141691
>95 across the board is just meh
>Memories don't provide the same modifier as Plates
>Z-moves don't change it's typing
>lack of a diverse movepool, especially Espeed, EQ and Recover

I know it's supposed to be a failed clone to fight the UBs, but I shouldn't have been this bad. Necrozma is also considered a UB, they could've made Silvally's BST equal to it.

It's a shame, I really like the design too.

How do we fix it?

>>33141691
It was never supposed to be a top tier Pokémon, nothing went wrong, still a nice thing to collect.

>>33141717
It has a great movepool, it just has shit stats and essentially no item unless it's Normal Type

Say what you want about it, but it makes a perfect "6th member" role on a lot of doubles teams. Sometikes you have an imaginary role in your head, like for example something that can sit next to tapu koko that's immune to discharge and has a ground (and not hitting koko like earthquake), ice and fire move - good luck finding that on any Pokemon - enter Silvally Ground. I tend to just have it as 3 moves plus parting shot and it does the job nicely.

>>33141805
Earthquake, Stone Edge, U-Turn, Poison Jap, Sludge Bomb, E-Speed, Recover. You actually NEED a proper movepool to compensate for stats like those.

Anything it can do in Singles, practically everything else can do better.

>>33141757
Recover, EQ and E-Speed alone would bump it to like UU. If this thing had Arceus' move pool entire movepool like it should have gotten, and could type change with Z-Move, then we'd be talking serious OU threat material.

>>33141691
>Implying being PU means it's not useful in other tiers.
It's C- rank in UU right now.

>>33141691
If Silvally was introduced in gen 4, would it had been OU at some point between then and now?

>>33141765
>It was never supposed to be a top tier Pokémon
Nigger, are you serious?

>USUM introduces Multi Memory, a held item that lets Silvally pick what type to become only when using Multi Attack

Is it too broken?

>>33141691
moveset. It should be able to learn every TM.

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>>33141765
>clone of arceus
>created to hunt UBs
> never supposed to be a top tier Pokémon

>>33141871
It would be like a better version of gen 6 Hoopa-U, so I'm gonna say yes.

>>33141967
Meant to quote this >>33141869

>>33141967
With the difference that Silvally has a trashy 95 attack, so not really

Just give it Defog, Recover (only to Silvally) and Nasty Plot and you fix it

>>33141765
This

Type:Null/Silvally is just the Alolan version of Castform. Not everything is meant to be competitive.

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>>33141765
>literally was created to be a replica of god
>was pushed as a major part of the plot
>has stat total far above that of an average or gimmick based pokemon
>wasn't meant to be good
???

>>33142376
This.
Gamefreak pushed Silvally hard. It's obvious that they wanted Silvally to be useable.

Of course, since we all know that Gamefreak are completely and utterly incompetent at basic game balance, they fucked that up completely and utterly.

USM should have a plot point of Colress upgrading it by making its drive switch type by downloading off the disks instead of holding it, that way it can change type while holding an item and have something over Arceus.

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>>33142396
If they wanted the even stats, then it should have been base 100 across the board like one of the pixies.

It should have also switched types based on the z-crystal it holds. But nope.

"Welcome to GameFreak. We don't really know what we're doing, but we try and cover it up anyway!"

7th gen.

>>33141848
I think that's just the normal form. Silvally is also unranked in RU while Silvally-steel is C- NU

>>33142470
If only you worked at GF anon

>>33142287
>Alolan version of Castform
yeah, except Castform wasn't complete shit at one point in its lifetime

>all forms are PU
>caring about what smogfags think

>>33142532
>Castform wasn't complete shit at one point in its lifetime
You are right, he's always been absolute shit from gen 3 up to the current gen.

>>33141897
It does its job however. Outside Celesteela it's the answer to every single UB.

>>33141754
Silvally is not a clone of anything. It was created with cells from all (known) Pokemon types, with its ability to shift types inspired by Arceus.

Necrozma has not been stated by canonical material to be a UB; only reminiscent of one.

>>33142396
>Gamefreak pushed Silvally hard. It's obvious that they wanted Silvally to be useable.
This. The fucking Corocoro for Silvally said "The most powerful Pokemon in Sun and Moon has finally arrived!?"

They were banking on this thing being an Arceus that was usable in VGC. Problem is, they forgot why people actually use Arceus.

>>33142220
I meant to quote the post about buffing multi attack to switch types >>33141869
it would be gen 6 hoopa broken because it literally would have no defensive counterplay and everything base 95 speed and slower would die in 2 hits except for mega fucking aggron. I think you're underestimating how many things just drop when they get hit with stab super-effective moves regardless of natural bulk

if they made the type change come after multi attack so the first hit doesn't have stab it wouldn't be too overpowered. but 18 stab types in one move slot is stupidly op

>>33141822

>Being this bad at doubles

Just wait for its Type: Full forme in SM that gives it the ability Omnitype.

>>33141717
Anything that has sharp features and isn't 100% goofy or smiling is considered edgy in 2017. It's lost all meaning.

>>33141691
memories don't give a stat boost, being average at everything makes it good at nothing in a metagame that thrives on specialization, and it doesn't have arceus's god-tier movepool

>>33141757
Base 100 everything
Z crystals can change its type

Done.

>>33144641
>Z crystals can change its type

Better version is

>>33142470

>ARK System is now a Key item
>you can manage what type Sylvally is with that
>you can make double type
>it gets Adaptabilty
>15 more in speed
How much I fucked up?

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>>33144687
>Lycanroc gets Strong jaw
>wolves doesn't even have strongs jaws

>>33144704
wolves also aren't made of rocks

>>33142470

The same should happen for Genesect.

>>33144838
That'd really make Colress researching Pokemon's power actually mean something

>>33144858
>gf
>being competent
pick one and only one

>>33144837
Yes, they are.

>>33144867
A man can dream

>>33142470
USM should have a plot point of Colress being retconned for being the second shittiest character in the franchise, just behind N.

>>33141691
>RKS System is now a key item, sets Silvally to be any type or dual-type combo you want
>Multi-Attack based off of primary type(or make it work like flying press?)
>add Sludge Bomb/Wave, Poison Jab, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Waterfall, Flare Blitz, Leech Life, Recover, Extreme Speed, Play Rough, Dragon Pulse, Thunder, Blizzard, Fire Blast, Focus Blast, and Super Power to its learn set
>Base 100 or 105 in everything

>New ability: Beast Breaker
>Ignores opponent's stat increases when attacking and being attacked.
Or just slap adaptability on and call it a day.

>>33141691
without access to reliable recovery and extreme speed it fails to be a proper mini-arceus

>>33145077
>any type double or mono
>105 stats
>no drawback of losing the ability slot in exchange for the ability to change type, also gets an amazing ability on top of it
>Arceus-tier movepool

The thread if to fix it, not to make it absurdly broken

>>33144687
This is actually good

How to fix Silvally:
Option 1
Memories now let you absorb damage from attacks of its type (Water Memory gives Water Absorb, Grass Memeory gives Grass Absorb, Ghost Memory gives Ghost Absorb, etc.), adding a defensive edge to Silvally and a way to regain health. Silvally, with 95/95/95 defenses is clearly meant to be a wall. As a bonus, it effectively reduces the number of weaknesses Ghost and Dragon Silvally have.

Option 2:
Silvally can hold 2 items. Holding 2 memories makes it a dual type, Multi-Attack becomes like a Flying Press type thing. Or you could just give it 1 memory and an item. Or 2 Choice bands so you can make it explode harder, I guess.

Option 3:
Silvally can now learn Wish, Giga Drain, Drain Punch (if Shroomish can get it then Silvally can too) Magic Coat, Heal Bell, and Spikes. Now it can at least play a perfect support role.

>>33141691
It can't use Z-Crystals.

If RKS System was just a renamed Multitype, it'd be much more versatile.

>>33145186
Shroomish gets it because Breloom gets it. Tutor moves are always available to all stages. Same reason Wooper can learns punches and Primeape can lean Iron Tail.

>>33141871
>a pokemon whose entire movepool is every TM

Could such a thing work

>>33141691
No moves for any of its forms.

>>33144704
Stronger than a triggerfish

>>33141805
95 across the board is far from amazing, but it's definitely not PU material on its own. The lack of moves and item is crippling, the stats are just the final nail in the coffin.

>>33141822
>like for example something that can sit next to tapu koko that's immune to discharge and has a ground (and not hitting koko like earthquake), ice and fire move - good luck finding that on any Pokemon
Nidoking. Earth Power, Ice Beam, Flamethrower/Fire Blast.
Rhyperior. Drill Run, Ice Punch, Fire Punch.
>>33145275
Mew has that and more and it's fine.

>>33143125
This team is comfortably sitting in the 1700s on battle spot doubles, using silvally most games, also 1st in the country but next down is in 1628 so that's not saying much.
>>33145673
Fair enough, although Silvally is faster than both and has parting shot which is a really good utility move, especially for doubles. Nidoking would maybe work, but Silvally is faster than Landorus-T which really helps.

>>33145512
They eat rock... okay, coral, close enough.
Can a wolf do that?

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>>33144687
>Drampa needs more attacks
Yeah

If anything it should drop Sap Sipper for Natural Cure or something

>>33141754
It's supposed to be failed in the sense of being able to control it's own power, not failed in the sense of weak... so that's even MORE reason that it shouldn't be weak.

Hell, the fucker was even introduced in CoroCoro as "possibly the regions strongest pokemon". Like, it really makes me think that Gamefreak has no idea how to actually make a good pokemon competitively.

Also, I agree. Love Silvally, but its such trash.

>>33146100
I guess in the sense that it can actually beat the Ultra Beasts 1 on 1 in the right form, it succeeded

>>33145673
Can't learn Crabhammer

>>33145999
Wolf bites can crush bones.

>>33146053
>Drampa needs more attacks
Might as well play to its strengths. It lacks coverage against fairy and fighting, its biggest threats. Ground is just gravy.

>>33141691
in addition to being arceus lite they gave it arceus movepool, but lite

>>33141691
How to fix Silvally:
>New Key Item: RKS SYSTEM
Allows changing Silvally's primary type freely. Multiple Silvally owned by the same trainer always share the same primary type.
>Ability Change: RKS SYSTEM -> RKS GENE
Instead of being a shitty Multitype clone, Memories (but not Z-crystals or plates) specifically alter Silvally's secondary type, resulting in a dual-typed Pokemon that defaults to mono-typed rather than flat Normal.
>Move Change: MULTIATTACK
Multiattack is a signature move... that hits exactly once. Really?
Now it's a 50BP move that hits twice, with each attack using one of Silvally's types - so a Grass Silvally not holding a Memory gets two Grass strikes, while a Water Silvally with a Steel Memory gets a Water attack and a Steel attack.
>STAT NERF: 95 -> 90
The previous changes give it its own unique niche - that of a fully customizable dual-type Pokemon, with guaranteed 100BP STAB dual coverage move. This, as well as the versatility of hidden secondary types and ability to use any item while being non-Normal, may make it a bit too strong. A slight stat nerf should help avoid a blanket ban (despite combinations like a Fighting/Ghost pseudo-Marshadow or meta-tailored custom tank).

Gamefreak/TPCi fucked up Silvally so much they replaced him with Lycanroc-Night as Gladion's ace in the anime out of shame.

>>33148397
>The previous changes give it its own unique niche - that of a fully customizable dual-type Pokemon, with guaranteed 100BP STAB dual coverage move. This, as well as the versatility of hidden secondary types and ability to use any item while being non-Normal, may make it a bit too strong. A slight stat nerf should help avoid a blanket ban (despite combinations like a Fighting/Ghost pseudo-Marshadow or meta-tailored custom tank).
lmao it still has no moves dog, sure it can have an absolutely GOAT type but what can it do with it? Nothing.

>>33144687
Lurantis is still bad.

Add Rage Powder to Shiinotic.

If anything Drampa needs more bulk, not more moves. It's too squishy for being so slow.

>>33142751

Although the spanish translation mentions Necrozma is an UB in it's dex entry
But im not sure whether it was a miscomunication regarding the translators or just a translation error

>>33148425
It would make a damn fine normal/ghost type

you know, provided the multiattack change suggested here >>33148397 isn't applied so it can have a 90 power ghost type physical move to go along with double-edge

>>33142710
It has fire type access, along with electric moves if I'm not mistaken.

>>33142710
A puny Marowak does its job better without the need to change types(which it can't do if it's already battling).

>>33141754
>Necrozma is also considered a UB
By who?

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>>33144687
>that Salazzle buff
If you want to make Corrosion actually worth a damn, make it so that it also lets her attack steel types with poison attacks at neutral damage. Also, give her Energy Ball.

No item, no ability

>>33149147
Marowak isn't the focus of the discussion.

>>33148506
It does, but unlike all the others it can't oneshot it.

>>33149220
Salazzle is one of those pokemon where it's ability doesn't match it's typing or stats

You really want to buff salazzle? Give it merciless and give corrosion to Toxapex

>100 across the board
>compatible with Z-Crystals
>extended movepool

There, now it's UU with OU utility