>Landorus-T isn't bro-

>-ken

>>33134633
I used to defend this shit until people kept running the offensive Z sets.

>>33134633
Lando is bro-tier.

>>33134633
>-, Landorus is waifu

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>Aegislash got banned because it's overcentralizing, checks half the metagame, and shits on all of its """""checks"""""
>Landorus-T is overcentralizing, checks half the metagame and shits on all of its """""checks"""""
>it's not banned
Really makes me think.

>>33134667
DELETE THIS
THE ONLY PERSON WHO EVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH SMOGON IS VERLISIFY

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>>33134667

>>33134707
Name me one (1) thing that can reliably switch into every Landorus-T set.

>>33134633
And yet the actually fun form of Landorus is still banned

God damn smogon, I want to like you, but you make it really hard when you put so much effort into making sure things I like are never usable

>>33134719
Marshadow :^)

>>33134719
Skarmory

>>33134782
>Landorus used Smack Down!

>>33134633
He are boring

>>33134667
>Next gen lando somehow gets king's shield by event and ice punch/wild charge by tutor, if not something even better, like sky attack, defog or roost
>Z-Sky attack oneshots everything after SD
>Intimidate, king's shield and roost make every physical attacker in OU irrelevant forever
>Wild charge to hit certain flying types like pelipper or mantine for a guaranteed kill
>Ice punch to revenge kill opposing landorus
>Defog, stealth rock and roost alone let it function even on stall as a faster skarmory
>It is clearly Ubers material and the fact can no longer be denied by anybody
>Smogon tournament set for this week! remember that the lando suspect will take place next month!
Lando will never leave OU

>>33134633
Don't worry that's just being a "gluemon"

>>33134785
>252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Smack Down vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 38-45 (11.4 - 13.5%) -- possible 8HKO
>252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 222-264 (66.6 - 79.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Even if it gets max rolls on both attacks Lando can't ko Skarmory, who instead can unleash Counter after the EQ

>>33134667
Not even just Aegislash, pretty much every ban of gen 7 has used Overcentralization within the reason for ban. Yet they go and use literally the same reason, just reworded, to explain why Landorus shouldn't be banned.

>>33134811
What if stealth rocks are up?

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>>33134800
Funny that being "the ultimate glue" is excusable for Lando-T when Aegislash did the exactly the same thing. Why is it excusable now and not then? Hmmm...

>>33134826
It's not, Smogon is just going full retard with their "oh we're having a circlejerk tournament right now so we can't suspect anything for months"

>>33134837
It's almost like they're timing their """""""""tournaments""""""""" ever so conveniently that they can dodge their responsibility of making a playable meta. Ever notice how they deflected with "WCoP is starting xDDDD" right when popular demand for tests was rising? They'll do the same thing next month. The top brass of Smogon need their cheap broken shit (like Lando-T and Stall) to cover up the fact that they're washed-up hacks.

>>33134814
I think was made me crack in laughter once was a discussion that held on the possibility of including a S+ rank in OU and among the post, there was one that said a pokemon could only be S+ if it has such a massive presence in the meta and becomes somewhat over centralizing. And someone responded "But isn't that how we generally ban pokemon?"

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>>33134852
Stop saying stall is broken

>>33134860
This is Nu-Smogon we're talking about. It's pretty much all about artificially preserving the circlejerk's "elite" status rather than any sort of skill-based meritocracy. Which is why they rationalize blatantly broken shit USSR-style. It's all just to cover up the fact that they can't play anymore, and they'd rightfully be discredited if they weren't clawing at every way to preserve their power.

Why do you think there was ANOTHER ghosting scandal in WCoP? The OU council is part of the same circlejerk too. Smogon is a pathetic corrupt shithole where they want elite status in a children's casual game.

>>33134885
>ANOTHER ghosting scandal in WCoP
Explain.

Why is monotype better than OU?

>>33134814
A pokemon hasn't been banned "because overcentralization" since garchomp in gen 4.

>>33134913
It's not just Monotype. Fucking LC and CAP are better than the shitshow that is current OU. People that always say "OU is the best tier" are those that have never played any other format other than OU.

>>33134926
What about marshadow? wasn't it quickbanned after it was on literally every team after just one day?

Then again it should have never been OU not even for one second but I digress

>>33134931
I've heard LC is pretty shitty too

>>33134912
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/wcop-xii-administrative-decisions.3601673/#post-7446648

Even their """"""""tournaments"""""""" are pretty much all determined by circlejerks. Everyone fucking knows all the other teams are cheating too. They're all washed-up shitty players now. These four were the ones who got caught only because they fell out of the ebin little clique.

Same goes for why they're (((scheduling))) suspect tests as conveniently as possible to avoid actually committing to them. Without their precious busted-ass mons like Lando-T, people would see them for the has-been shitty players that they are. THis is why they protect stall as much as they can, so they can just cheese people n 200 turns until they forfeit.

>>33134825
skarm takes 12.5% on entry from muh rox
therefore:
252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Smack Down vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 38-45 (11.4 - 13.5%) -- possible 7HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 222-264 (66.6 - 79.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
so, in rocks, skarmory would likely die to SD/EQ

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>>33134926
(you)

And yes, pic very related.

>>33134931
>tfw only play RU, NU, and PU
Sure you have to run certain stuff and can't really use memes past ~1400 but it's certainly not nearly as cancerous as OU
Is monotype really that fun? I'd assume it's mostly Steel and counters to it

>>33134970
Can't really speak since I haven't played much this gen, but I've heard good things about it.

>>33134970
It's seriously surprisingly balanced

I mean, ice obviously sucks, but every type can make it to the 1400s, and you'll find a lot of pokemon in use you'd only ever see in NU making serious headway here

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>>33134956
This is just getting more and more embarrassing.

>>33134863
Then why is every high-ladder game stall? It's broke as shit and the OU council knows it. And they'd rather keep it that way because the main way they artificially inflate their ratings is cheesing people with a boring playstyle that takes no skill to use.

>>33134956
>http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/wcop-xii-administrative-decisions.3601673/#post-7446648

lmao one of them was a tournament director too. what a fucking farce, one of the directors breaking the rules.

>>33135004
Psst, every other TD is doing the exact same thing. Rozes only got (((caught))) because of petty politicking.

>>33135014
hi rozes

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ahahahaha it gets even better they (((pardoned))) one of 'em because "i misread the logs :^)"

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/wcop-xii-administrative-decisions.3601673/#post-7447976

>>33134863
I've tried both HO and Stall while laddering, and while Stall isn't broken, it's way cheaper to use with how risk free it is.

>>33135070
(((no one cares)))

>>33135091
Fuck off smogonsheeple.

>>33134798
>Smogon tournament set for this week! remember that the lando suspect will take place next month!
This is going to happen next month with the next suspect test. Screencap this.

>>33135097
says the person clearly visiting their site and following their tournaments. go (((blog))) about your crying over smogon ((((drama))) elsewhere.

It's rather telling that, despite both being legal in Monotype, Landorus-T still sees more use than Landorus-I

It's almost like Landorus-T is the better Pokemon, and yet somehow Lando-I ends up being the banned one

>>33135118
I am a different poster, sheepbitch baby. Go cry home to Smogon about how /vp/ bullied you or shit like that.

>>33135138
that's because lando-t counters itself, while lando-t doesn't counter lando-i.

>>33134984
huh that sounds nice.
>and you'll find a lot of pokemon in use you'd only ever see in NU making serious headway here
I somehow thought broken shit like mega Gengar was allowed but I just read up on the rules, will definitely start playing soon.

>>33135152
Armaldo is considered an excellent pick for bug, Alolan Golem is a great electric pick, and Cradily is damn strong in both rock and grass

Just a few examples of PU pokemon in monotype

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>>33134956
Lmao the drama in the general thread is pretty good too

>>33135151
Isn't that more of a reason to ban Lando-T? When it's best counter is itself?

>>33135189
What's even more pathetic is how the other players pretend they have clean hands. Like I said, everyone knows they're all cheating. Every single one of them have discords and skype where they tell each other what moves to make.

>>33135207
Normally cheating in multiplayer games makes me mad but seeing as I'm not a part of that circlejerk and never will be I just laugh at the shitshow

Smogon are nothing but autistic shit eaters who congregates away from the acceptable society and talks about how great they are and how superior they are to everyone else and then acting offended when everyone else tell them to fuck off.

This is the perfect description of Smogon in a fucking nutshell.

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I just love the fact that nobody is willing to defend Smogon anymore. Usually you'd have a few shills in these threads whiteknighting for them and justifying why broken shit like Lando isn't """""really""""" broken. But even they gave up trying to defend them.

C&D for showdown and smogon when

>>33135331
>I just love the fact that nobody is willing to defend Smogon anymore.
See
>>33135091
>>33135118

>>33135138
Being good isn't linear. And usage doesn't always show which Pokemon is better.
In Landorus-T's case, it fit nearly everywhere and is pretty diverse.
But with Landorus-I, it's only good switch in is Mega Latias, which isn't even released. And unlike Landorus-T, it doesn't require Z-moves and 20 different sets to have "no counters". All it just needs is life orb, and a bunch of select moves to choose from. Landorus-I is so strong as a special attacker that it can 2HKO chansey after a knock-off with non-STAB special moves.
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Chansey: 385-455 (54.7 - 64.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
When you can 2HKO a Chansey with attacks that hit its special defense, it says a lot.

>>33135302
It wasn't as funny as the pedo scandal they had a year back. Those threads were golden.

>>33135341
It's pretty sad that /vp/ had forgotten all about the entirety of Smogon being pedophiles. It's a literal pedo ring.

>>33135335
fell out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down, didn't ya. me not caring about smogon's drama, isn't me defending smogon retard.

>>33134705
my wrist's so stupid they call it verlisify.

>>33135340
It's funny how Lando-I has at least one good switch-in. While Lando-T has none. Why are we supposed to believe Lando-T isn't broken while I is?

Smogon is shit so is verlisify the homo. End

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With all of the controversies that have been happening in these past few months and the things in this thread, I'm starting to wonder why is anyone taking Smogon seriously anymore, the only thing you should ever do regarding it is to play on Showdown and that's it, don't get involved in any of there circlejerks.

>>33135341
>>33135345
Oh, fucking fantastic.

>>33135363
>Lando-T has no switch ins
lol?

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>>33135331
>not reporting Showdown for using copyrighted assets in their fangame
>not reporting Smogon for selling merchandise with copyright assets and harbouring pedophiles
Be the change you wish to see in the world.

>Contact infos:
>http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/contact
>http://support.pokemon.com/ics/support/contactUs.asp
>http://gamefreak.co.jp/contact.html

>Proof of sexually harassing underage users:
>https://pastebin.com/qGYZD1Au
>https://pastebin.com/zS0YruM8
>http://i.imgur.com/7E4RP8O.png

>>33135345
>the entirety of Smogon being pedophiles.

Seriously, /vp/?
Pot calling the kettle black to the extreme.

>>33135383
There is LITERALLY NOTHING that counters or even checks Lando-T. Don't even TRY to reply with a counter-argument, because if you try to you will be objectively wrong and you're probably a smogonpedo since only a smogonpedo would try to defend Lando-T in ANY way.

So don't bother at all.

>>33135387
The difference is that we actively attempt to curb out pedophilia here.

Smogon, on the other hand, actively encourages it.

>>33135331
Can we leave Showdown out of it? I'd love to see Smogon burn but Showdown does actually offer some things like random mode.

>>33135387
/vp/ doesn't to collect and distribute Cheese Pizza from underageb&'s.

>>33135387
>/vp/ is one person

>>33135390
Doesn't Choice scarf Mamoswine?

>>33135423
>landorus used stone edge
>mamoswine fucking dies

>>33135428
>252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mamoswine: 156-184 (43.2 - 50.9%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO

>>33134633
Why do people play Smogon formats instead of VGC?

Do you prefer genies over lords and savior Tapus?

>>33135463
Smogonfags legitimately believe that tapus are more cancerous than the genies. Disgusting.

>>33135474
>>33135463

Now now, we don't need to argue

They're both cencerous garbage that should never have been included in the games

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>>33135390

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>>33135390
not all of these, both offensive and defensive, are always perfect and they vary based on the set Lando-T runs

>>33135506
>every single one of them dies to Z-Fly on the switch
>"""""""""checks""""""""""
What did he mean by this?

>>33135423
lando gets superpower
it just doesnt use it ever
also LEL UTURN which is a blanket response to anything that threatens it offensively

>>33135517
Go back to /pol/, that's what I meant.

>>33135517
>check
>switching in
loling @ you

This is why I don't even play OU. I have dignity and won't be a retard Lando bitch.

UU has so many more options for a fun team maker.

>>33135506
Not all of those are guaranteed safe

Greninja and Hoopa-Unbound are annihilated by U-turn if they switch in to it, Weavile dies to both U-turn and stone edge, Tapu Bulu and Keldeo both die to Z-fly, Thundurus is OHKO by stone edge and kyurem-B is 2HKO by it

>>33135506
>>33135516
>not one actual counter at all
If you tried to prove anything, then you completely and utterly failed at doing so.

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>>33135558
(see image)
>>33135554
see >>33135516

>>33135540
The only format in Smogon that's worse than OU is Anything Goes

>>33135463
I don't like doubles. Simple as that.

you can say goodbye to all your physically offensive OU bros if lando goes, cos it's the only thing that stops loads of mons from being broken.

>>33135632
Just like Smogonsword ;^)

>>33135632
Then ban all of these loads of mons who're broken too. Simple as that.

>>33135632
It's funny how broken doesn't check broken until it involves Lando-T. Then it's totally fine.

>>33135411
no

>>33134863
Its not broken its just very boring to win, like using defensive or turtling characters in fighters to win by time out or chipping.

>>33134926
Greninja and Aegislash in XY.

>>33135632
If one Pokemon is all that's keeping them from being broken, they should go too

>>33135363
>It's funny how Lando-I has at least one good switch-in.
Mega Latias isn't released yet you moron.
>While Lando-T has none
252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 133-157 (39.9 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 248 HP / 200+ Def Rotom-Wash: 167-197 (55.1 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Celesteela: 226-267 (56.7 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro-Mega: 183-216 (46.4 - 54.8%) -- 62.1% chance to 2HKO
And there are plenty more checks and counters Landorus-T has

>>33135775
Now do the same calcs with Smack Down + EQ + Z-Fly ;^)

>>33135775
0 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Rock Slide vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 220-259 (33.7 - 39.7%) -- 26.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Rock Slide vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 147-174 (20.9 - 24.7%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

>>33135792
Read >>33134811
Smack Down followed by EQ doesn't kill Skarmory, which is can then use counter to destroy Landorus-T
>>33135813
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 312-369 (43.6 - 51.6%) -- 66.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers
0 Atk Life Orb Landorus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 146-172 (20.7 - 24.4%) -- 85.4% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 252 SpD Chansey: 309-367 (43.9 - 52.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Chansey and Blissey aren't counters.

>>33134956
Oh man I wouldn't expect ben to ghost during WCoP. Anyone have the chatlogs?

LandoT hits almost half my favorite teams SE every damn time.

>>33135151
Lando-T doesn't counter itself. 2HKOd by HP Ice.

>>33135385
>frogposter
I hate Smogon, but I hate this frog even more.

>>33135879
why the fuck are you investing in HP on Blissey? It gives less returns than defense investment thanks to Blissey's massive base health

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 237-281 (36.3 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Also, I don't think I've ever seen a Lando-I set with knock off

>>33135423

Mamoswine is frail as fuck, OHKOd on the switch-in with Z-Fly or Z-Earthquake.

252 Atk Landorus-Therian Supersonic Skystrike (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mamoswine: 373-439 (103.3 - 121.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>Doesn't even have to be Adamant

>>33134811
>he doesn't use rockium stone edge with sd

Also what does Skarmory do as answer?
Phazes it and gets removed next turn? Uses Counter of lucky enough to switch on dance?

>>33134956
>tfw u realize some of them are already almost 30 and do still administrate this fanfic sim
even bulbapedo left

>caring about a literal fanfiction meta
Smogonfags are cancer.

>>33135014
Can confirm, same Smogon and TDs/team leader players also used to do the same during POWC and past Smogon tours. Some didn't even bother to cover it up and bragged about in the auth rooms knowing they would get no punishment. Circlejerk at its finest.

>>33135118
>merely just ANOTHER -nth proof that they are a joke goyim
Haha get over it, amirite?
One of the many Smogon exposed frauds and scandals.

>>33134863
It's broken because of Duggy.

>>33136680
Stop falling for that meme. Stall is good even without Duggy because they have a cancerous blanket check to every single special attacker with Chansey (And Blissey)

>>33135189
As someone who took place and witnessed these meme tours I can say pretty much everyone was scouting, cteamming and ghosting, add in the toxic atmosphere between some auth and players and you can easily make a Top 10 Anime Betrayals Smogon list. Some players get shat on for the simple fact they had arguments with a friend of a friend in the past or don't shill for a specific high ranked member.
Also many used to change their IPs to join this tour just to team up with their buddies or invent retarded stories about their foreign backgrounds to switch teams. Shit's ridiculous if you think about how Smogon advertises their tours as if thy were official.

>>33134811
>>33134825
>>33134959
>Landorus used Earthquake!
>It doesn't affect the opponent's Skarmory...

>>33136737
>what is smack down

@33136737
you)

>>33136746
>>33136748
Did you guys read the discussion?

>>33135518
anon i dont think you understand
if you need to u-turn out of a situation because you can't deal with the opponents mon
thats a check

>>33136708
>>33136647
Do you have any logs? This sounds like some rich /cow/ material.

>>33136737
what do you mean
the whole deal is that you get rock damage, then smack down, and then eq

>>33135947
http://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/blissey/

>>33134633
I alway find thread like this funny but member of the council have acknowledged that Z-move lando is stupidly strong and will probably get suspected in the future. Although with how slow they suspect anything lando will probably be suspected in 3018