Why hasn't Gamefreak employed Smogon to balance their games yet?

>>33116024
Because the tier leaders at smogon change and not everyone has the same view point there.

>every pokemon except landorus now has a BST of 10

>>33116024
>implying stall is fun
>genie of healthy meta is balanced

>>33116024
Wew lad. Me think you've knowingly opened up a whole can of autism.

Ignoring the fact that it's bait, have a realistic answer: Because people who ban shit they can't accept losses against aren't the ones to be balancing a game.

Especially not a game that doesn't even need balancing. No one has ever said all Pokémon have to be equal. Quite the opposite considering before you even get into abilities and whatnot, they specifically give them different stats totals.

If they wanted balance they wouldn't start by making them differently powered because that's not what balance is about. In a balanced game things have different stats but they amount to much the same over time and that is not the case in Pokémon, nor was it intended to be.

This, however, is primarily a single player RPG, not an MMO. You not supposed to go into battle against the final boss in an RPG with the starting weapons. You're supposed to trade up if you want to be competitive.

>>33116088
I... don't think you know what balance is

One of the problems with pokemon is that a lot of pokemon that are intended to be good just aren't and a lot of pokemon intended to be mediocre are instead amazing. Compare Breloom with Articuno for example

>>33116143
prove to me gamefreak intended breloom to be mediocre smogonfag

>>33116181
it's an early game pokemon with a one stage level-based evolution that evolves in the early twenties with a low BST

>>33116201
>prove that a fire truck is green
>it has a ladder and a hose attached and sometimes a siren goes off

Smogon is not one person, it's a huge community composed mostly of low to mid level scrubs. So you're not looking at hiring the so-called Smogon, but a few of their best players.
The entirety of Smogon sucks at everything other than 6v6 singles, a format that will never be supported by Gamefreak, so they have no reason to approach them.
Gamefreak has no reason to approach good 3v3 singles and 4v4 doubles players either because they can keep releasing unpolished turds with minimal effort and all the casuals will still buy it up.

>>33116024
Smogon knows shit about balance, they just segregate the pokemon in groups and that's all. Game Freak does balance much better. I'd rather have have a variety of diverse pokemon than having to deal with compfags. They ruin every game they appear in.

>>33116214
He proved what you asked for, so we consider your point defeated just fyi

Smogon has so many brainwashed drones that I wouldn't be surprised if OP is serious

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>>33116666
Quads confirm.

no matter how much you hate them they'd be leagues better than Gamefreak
not because smogon is good or anything mind you, but because GF is god damn incompetent

>>33116676
>implying
Game Freak may be incompetent, but at least they don't nerf everything to shit to be "balanced".

>>33116024
Are you memeing or asking seriously? Smogoons don't now anything about how to make Pokemon games good or even how to balance ingame combat, they can only create extremely articial and arbitrary "competitive" environments.
Of course Gamefreak is shit at balancing some things, namely type balance (the fact they missed the point of what makes Dragon types strong and made an OP type just because or that Ice is STILL a shit underpowered type makes it painfully obvious) and a lot of other minor things that could easily fix a lot of bad mons and make them usable, but they balance combat within the singleplayer experience pretty well.

>>33116201
>attack power as high as fucking machamp's with access to spore and mach punch.
>intended to be mediocre

>>33116088
>If they wanted balance they wouldn't start by making them differently powered
God, you have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

>>33116024
"We don't like the luck aspect of Pokémon so evasion and accuracy shit is banned."
>Doesn't ban critical hits
Okay m8

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>>33116695
So? It's just one Pokémon, out of all the other "OU" Pokémon.

>>33116676
It's not about GF being incompetent. GF doesn't really care that much, people just want a deeper experience which the games never even tried to accomplish in the first place.

Meanwhile, kids are happy with it the way it is and the games sell.

>>33116695
They did the right thing, Gale Wings was retarded

That was the only super nerf they did anyway, everything else was smaller and did the job

>>33116024

Smogon is good at balancing metagames based on what Gamefreak gives them but they aren't good at creating balanced mons of their own. Look at their CAP efforts to see what I mean. Some of them are pretty much useless and some are atrociously broken.

>>33116024
What would happen if smogon laid a finger on the games:
>tiers are made canon, there are now RU/UU/OU categories in Battle Maison/Battle Tree
>evasion banned
>sleep clause returns
>confusion removed as a status
>you don't have to catch pokemon anymore after beating the league, you can "inject" any mon in a lab
>more strategic NPC teams relying more on move combinations and thoughtful switching aka much more stall teams
>pokemon diversity killed in favor of muh balance
>choosing a tier is now compulsory in Battle Spot because fuck you and your unbalanced shit

>>33116742
Not choosing a tier is basically playing OU. In DPP days people played random shit on Wi-Fi battles but people who wanted to win just played the strongest mons. Tiers are just a way to make use of worse Pokémon. No one would use typhlosion if RU wasn't a thing.

The whole point of Smogon is rebalancing competitive play without having to actually alter anything in the base game. The process is completely reactionary to whatever new gimmicks and toys appear with each new gen. I don't think the people involved necessarily have the know-how to balance a game from the ground up.

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>>33116024
Because Game freak are not stupid enough to do such foolish thing!

>>33116637
>so we consider your point defeated just fyi
spotted the samefagging 12 year old
that is not proof Breloom should be bad
that's like saying cosmoem was meant to be good since you can only access it post-game and it evolves and level 43

>>33118224
How? Cosmoem is a mid-stage pokemon, not a final stage, it's akin to psuedo-legendaries

Just compare Breloom to the other pokemon that you catch around the same time and evolve at around the same level. Mightyena, Zebstrika, Fearow. Oh look, they're all shit

But maybe that's not similar enough, so let's limit it further, to only pokemon that evolve around that level, only evolve once, have a BST between 450 and 500 and can't be caught in the wild in their evolved form (most of the time). Donphan, Lycanroc, Vespiquen, Granbull...

These are all Pokemon who should be around the same in terms of general power, now, don't get me wrong, there's some powerhouses mixed in there, things like Araquanid and Azumarill, but that just further proves how poor the general balance is

>>33116024
Stop asking /vp/ about Smogon. Most of the people here are retards with little to no competitive experience. Go ask Smogon about Smogon instead.

>>33116024
Because GF love crap like double team and its clones too much( the fact that battle tree includes it to their mon's movepool is a disgrace)

Smogon would rightfully remove such rng and overall improve the character(Lille would get exchanged for a robot that eases you into the competive scene)

>>33116742
>confusion removed as a status
Confusion was never the banned retard, Swagger was. Now that confusion was nerfed in gen 7 Swagger was unbanned.

>>33120988
Can you fug the robot?

>>33121037
Its got the data and personality of the average smogonite so bad idea. You might be quickbanned to sex offender tier list.

>>33116024
For the same reason the main singles format in ranked is 3vs3 and the official competitive format is 4vs4 doubles.
GF knows the average person doesn't want to waste one hour thanks to a 2000 turns stall switcheroo match.

>>33117008
>No one would use typhlosion if RU wan't a thing
verlisify, karen, and showderp prove this isn't true

>>33118349
>These are all Pokemon who should be around the same in terms of general power
why though? there's no reason for all Pokémon caught in the beginning to be as strong as each other
also
>reddit spacing
>thinking donphan is bad

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>>33116024

>>33116088
Bruh...the reason Smogon bans Pokemon is when they become too central to the meta. Either every team needs one, or every team needs potentially several counters to be able to handle them. If left alone, you'd have a lot of players with extremely similar teams.

Banning a few select Pokemon is a way of maximising the amount of Pokemon that are viable in OU.

>>33121367
>verlisify
>showdero
You just shot your argument 5 times, shat all over it, and laughed at its corpse.

>>33124484
>If left alone, you'd have a lot of players with extremely similar teams.
So, exactly like it is now? Good to know bans have literally been useless.

>>33116024
Bait.jpg

>>33116666
This. Thanks Satan

>>33124484
>Bruh...the reason Smogon bans Pokemon is when they become too central to the meta.
then why lando still here

>>33126172
More importantly, why are stealth rocks still here?

>>33125932
What are you talking about? Most teams in even OU have a relative lot of variety. Now look at VGC where everyone at the top uses literally the same team, maybe one wildcard Pokemon aside, maybe not.