Is ice a bad type?

>>33056260
Yes

>>33056260
no, only retarded vp fags say so.

It's a type you want to have on your moveset, but not on yourself.

>>33056260
It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for many things fucking it over like Stealth Rocks, Game Freak constantly making slow, defensive ice types (because they're like a glacier xDDDDDDDDDD), and water types having ice type coverage. If there were more fast and powerful ice types and Game Freak removed weaknesses that shouldn't be there (steel, rock, and fighting) and add some resistants, ice could potentally be up there with steel, fairy, and water types.

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>>33056260

>>33056354
>appears to be

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>>33056354

>>33056260
Yes, from a purely objective point of view.
The only merits of Ice are as an offensive type, but its moves are widespread coverage, specially among Water which is a much better type and can use it much better being SE against one of its only 2 weaknesses. Instead Ice has 4 weaknesses and only resists itself, making it the worst defensive type in the game by far.
The weather condition it is associated with is the worst in the game as well, it only damages non-ices and buffs Blizzard's accuracy, but doesn't benefit it offensively or defensively unlike other weathers.
Stat distributions don't help either, most ice mons are slow and bulky, which doesn't fit their type, and they perform poorly because of it. The only successful ice types have high speed, good priority or strong matchups because of their secondary type and movepool.
Usage wise, ice mons are unpopular and seldom used even in standard gameplay. They are introduced late into the game when the player is likely to already have a full team, and being a slow and frail type does not help.

Ice was decent when it was the only type super effective against dragon other than dragon itself, mostly because the strongest dragons used to have a x4 weakness to it, but the introduction of fairiy took this niche from it.
The only way to buff Ice and make it viable again in the current games is to give it 2 resistances and a passive defensive buff in hail. Moves like Freeze dry and Aurora Veil are good to have but they don't fix the underlying problems of the type.

>>33056377
It has a weakness, in it's shit-ass speed stat

>>33056354
>it appears there are no universally strong pokemon
It doesn't mean there are no universally weak pokemon, that most ice-types are

>>33056328
Completely true

GF hates them so yeah ice types are currently a pretty bad type to have. They could make the type better though

>>33056409
>Hail gives Ice Pokemon +50% speed
>Ice now resists Water and Ground
>Ice no longer weak to Rock

>>33056260
Its medium low with some niches. It's just gamefreak refuses to fill those niches. Not really an objectively bad type or anything.

>>33056462
>Not really an objectively bad type or anything.
That's just plainly wrong, it's objectively bad.
Four weaknesses and one resistance which is itself, and its offensive capabilities are stolen by Water types, which are better to begin with.
It's the worst type in the game, even the second to last worst types, which are grass, bug and psychic, are noticeably better than it.

Bear in mind it doesn't mean all ice mons are bad, but all good ice mons are good DESPITE being ice.

>>33056260
>http://www.smogon.com/articles/shafted-by-design
You can ignore the article and just go to "Show Data" to get an idea of how bad Ice types have it compared to other types

>>33056417
>it has a weakness
Levitate

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>>33056260
Aww come on, icefags. Why don't you all just....let it go?

>>33056561
Excadrill says hi

>>33056439
If this Happens Kyurem-B and W would rape P-Groudon's ass.

>>33056561
>zygarde used meme arrows

>>33056328
tpbp

>>33056561
>X breaks the mold!

>Whereas Sandstorm boosts the Special Defense of Rock-types

I never fucking knew that. Good lord, Ice really does get shafted.

>>33056377

>Sore wa JAKUTEN GA NAI!