ORAS did nothing wrong

>>32997850
What's wrong with discussing thread like civilized beings

>>32997847
I'm with you OP. Definitely not a perfect game, but it was so much fun, especially the postgame.

>>32997847
>Oh obviously I'm talking about the much superior Alpha Sapphire, Omega Ruby plot is just plain ridiculous,

mah nigga

>>32997847
>ORAS did nothing wrong
There was a nice and clean sheet stating in list everything wrong with them. I wish I've could save it when I saw it.

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>>32997847
>>32997890
Found it.

>>32997898
More than half of this is complete bullshit

>No 3D in most areas

Stopped reading there, 3D is a ridiculous gimmick and I'm glad we're getting rid of it.

>>32997898
>Berry blending minigame

Are you serious? If they put effort in remaking that minigame they would have cut resources for many other things. And all of you would have complained for having to play a minigame for babies just to increase contest values.

Whoever made this pic is a deluded manchild

>>32997898
>The game offers no significant new post-game areas to explore

They didn't even play the god damn game.

>The wild pokémon variety is still very poor for most of the game [...] despite there being 700+ pokémon

AND KEEP CONTRADDICTING THEMSELVES

>>32997898
I didn't like Granite cave gimping too, but I wouldn't complain about backtracking, I'd go as far as to say it's essential and comfy in the region of hoenn.
Just look how beautifully connected everything is, and how well executed is the change of pace as soon as you get surf and go out in the blue.

Also, water routes have been adjusted on so many levels you can't literally complain about them anymore.

And Sea Mauville is just gorgeous
"Help me find a very important treasure"
you find the treasure, the man who asked you this gets his plush and ignores the shit ton of nuggets and
>beedrillite

Fuck, I love these games.

>>32997847
Better than SM tbqh

>>32997967
As games? Maybe, but you know USM will bring Alola over the top.

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>>32997847
>2017
>people still try to shill for ORAS
fuck off

>>32997984
I'm sorry for caring for the franchise, I don't get why you're on this board if you only care about shitting on every god damn game every year just to apologize as soon as it gets "vintage" every time

It's not a bad game. There is no such thing as a bad main series Pokemon game. It's just incredibly disappointing that they left out or altered a lot of what made Emerald so great.

And they completely spoiled the Delta Episode. Like what the fuck even?

>>32998108
this

>>32997898
>Sky Pillar's bike challenge is removed
I could not bring myself to read more after this. That part was AIDS, and everyone I know who has ever played Gen 3 hated it. The whole rest of the list from what I read is either ridiculously minor nitpicks or actual improvements.

I agree it gets too much shit but even ignoring Emerald's many great improvements being absent, it still cuts shit even from vanilla RS, namely Trick House rooms and the New Mauville dungeon being neutered instead of fleshed out, and clearly lacks polish in some areas, like the town signs.

>>32998108
You spoiled it yourself, you can't even bring yourself to ignore leaks / announcment 1 month before release.

I love oras

>>32999007
me too thanks

really i can't find enough good things to say about dexnav. itmade walking through the routes feel much more like alive bc of all the pokemon sticking their tails out of the grass, but it also made actually trying to catch them all feel possible and a lot more interactive than running around and waiting for a low encounter rate.

also points for making it way easier to get good ivs and HAs

>>32998223
>namely Trick House
What do you mean ? It's still in the game, the trials are just differents.
But yeah, too bad New Mauville was cut like that

>>32997847
the reasons this thread sucks can be boiled down entirely in the fact that you consider Soaring to be reasonable postgame

>>32997971
I really doubt that

>>32999067
There are less trials than RSE.

It doesn't bother me as much as New Mauville though, that really stings for me because the graphical overhaul they gave it is fucking ten outta ten and you just know they probably wanted to go the extra mile and really flesh it out, but had to rush it and it's not even in its RS form.

>>32998108
>>32999001
Delta Episode sucked anyways

>>32999082
ORAS is all about style over substance, they decided many places would be better off looking good rather than having anything or as much to do in them

>>32999080
Soaring is the mean which through you get your postgame.
Every day you get new spots, TMs, legendaries, and shit. I played a lot of hours after beating the game and I didn't need RNGfest Shit Frontier.

>>32999240
Pretending that the Frontier is shit just to boost ORAS is a tactic that never works so I'm not sure why people do it, you're better off trying to build ORAS up as a reasonable alternative, rather than the only good thing

And if we're calling Fly with a longer animation postgame, we may as well admit now that we're not gonna agree on the quality of ORAS

oras is good

>>32997917
If you stopped reading there, you didn't read nearly half of it.

The pros of Emerald and ORAS are different. The good aspects of Emerald mostly revolve around unique and interesting single-player battling. Even in the maingame, you'd have NPCs ambush you to force you into a double battle, and enemy teams have more interesting and mons than in RS or ORAS. The Battle Frontier also offers a whole new way to play, and gives replayability even after you're all done with the story. Facilities like the Factory, Pyramid, and Pike all offer a whole new way to experience the games, and make battling much more fun and unique.
That said, ORAS also has plenty of improved features. For one thing, Secret Bases have went from being a small, minor feature to being fully fleshed out. With online communication and QR codes, sharing bases has never been easier. You can see all sorts of creative homes that other people made, and even get bonuses for using the feature and befriending NPC versions of other people. The characterization has been improved on in ORAS, too. Brendan now feels like a genuine friend, trying to act as your mentor at first, but slowly realizing how capable you are, and Team Aqua's been portrayed as idiotic, but they're all friends with each other; you can see the chemistry between Archie and his admins clearly this time around. There are also all the improvements/features that have been around since IV onwards, like the split, triples/rotations, infinite TMs, and PSS.

While both games use RS as a base, they have different advantages.

>>32997971
>Still pretty much no confirmed info on UlSuUlMo
>"Th-this is where it all comes together, guys. This one'll be great for sure!"
Do Alolafags actually have undiagnosed mental disorders?

>>32997847
>Hoenn has the bet region design
No wonder you think ORAS is good. You suffer from severe brain damage.

>>33000111
Wholesome get

>>32997847
I agree. ORAS were good games. All of the babies in this board have rose-tinted nostalgia goggles and prefer Gen 5 even though it nearly killed the series. The Pokémon community on /vp/ is completely toxic and needs to be destroyed.

>>32997847
I mostly agree with you but I think you need to hold up on a few points. It still has a lot of room for improvement.

I think I was way too hard on it when it first came out because it's easy to do that with the new games. Just like people are doing the same with SM but this time I thought it was mediocre at worse and decent at best. Just wait until Gen 8 and they'll proclaim that they love Gen 7 just like they do now with Gen 6.

I replayed it not long ago too and what really blew me away was the region like you said. It had much more going on with it than Alola and Kalos. Similarly it's split into four parts in a way but it's much more subtle. You have the first part of segmented areas that you sail to, with forests and islands. Then at Mauville a large portion opens up and you get mountains and desert. Then the next quarter you get the vast wilderness of jungles and in the final quarter the seas open up including everything underwater. It felt like going back to the past but seeing it with polished graphics and better game mechanics and movesets. That part I praise ORAS for. And there were less One-Hit-Wonders that became the norm in later generations. DexNav also was great for making the region feel alive and was probably one of the best things that they implemented in any game.

What I can't give it a pass for is how it almost literally went straight to the book for RS. Even some small details from Emerald like Gym rematches, more trainers and better trainer teams would do the game a solid. But they included almost nothing from Emerald, and the few things that were in there were just written afterwards in the form of the Delta Episode. Emerald was made as an upgrade to the region and I get why they wanted two versions but that's still no excuse to just forget everything else.
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>>33000507
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I almost feel like they lost all of their files for Emerald in a fire or something and had to work with RS only, or maybe newfag Ohmori never played the games before and they had him play RS without touching Emerald. I knew damn well that there was no way the Battle Frontier wasn't going to be in because that was just too much work along with everything else, but even something that had a rental option just as a little alternative would have worked fine. I can't imagine that would be hard to implement. Most people didn't even like half of the facilities anyway because they were shit. Even then, it was the way they handled it with the model of the Battle Tower and a copypasted Maison instead of something else with a fresh coat of paint as a great big middle finger.

The postgame was a step up from XY that's for sure. I replayed that too and while I had some good things to say about ORAS I had nothing like that for XY except the Looker Missions. Personally I liked the Mirage Spots in theory but what it came down to was just a bunch of small areas with no trainers, no plot, and Pokemon that I've already caught multiple times, so I had no reason to find them all. It's similar as with Alola and the multiple islands, the new areas are split up and not only that but they don't have any story significance so they're worth basically nothing. If it was one giant island with some story significance then I think it would have better reception.

I had to get all of that out of the way but it was still a nice departure from what we had before, and the region and plot were pretty good. Brendan/May were a lot better than before and they didn't just stop and quit halfway through like they did before, it was just a visit back to Birch after visiting all of the land, but they kept going on afterwards. And with Wally they managed to take a character that I hated in the originals and made him one of my favorites in the entire series. Bravo on that.

>>33000579
*no way the Battle Frontier was going to be in

>>32997923
honestly as someone who recently got all the contest ribbons in gen 3 on one pokemon, berry blending sucked. Hit A and pray that the other 3 NPC's don't constantly miss.

>>32999054
Going from Dexnav to SoS is one of the biggest downgrades

>cant tell if the pokemon has the hidden ability anymore
>doesn't get egg moves
>lower shiny rate that resets after enough encounters
>lower variety

ASOR were fine. My only issue was no Faraway Island, Navel Rock, etc.

Even if they removed the event tickets, there was a good opportunity for additional post-game subplots that led you to those places and explained them more, especially Mew on Faraway.

>>32997847
It's alright. Really should've been better.

>>33000772
>ASOR
ugh that abbreviation. navel rock would have been nice since ho-oh and lugia were in the game anyway. faraway would have been a bit harder to justify if it had mew on it since it's not a hoenn mon and they already had the delta episode, but eh.

>>32997847

I don't even like th frontier. I'm just mad there were no gym leader rematches, like one new move tutor, nothing similar to PWT, no rare item "stores" like join avenue, no new post game area like that route in diamond/pearl or the whole east side of the map in b2w2, and shit from original games were removed with little to no new alternatives

Delta episode was one cool battle with a bunch of boring plot flags and text.

>>33000507
>they'll proclaim that they love Gen 7 just like they do now with Gen 6.
stop inventing these people, nobody who hated Gen 6 likes it now.

>>33001265
Then explain all of the recent posts of people saying that SM made XY look good? Even if you don't like SM just about everything it did wrong was worse in XY and all of a sudden these kids act like there was never a problem with it. If you went here 3-4 years ago (I'm guessing you didn't) there was nothing but people shitting on the game.

>>32999001
It wasn't a leak. It was an official announcement with a youtube video that had a thumbnail spoiling the whole thing. Logged on to youtube and suddenly spoilers on my sub page.

>>32997847
>gen 6 compared to gen 3 has vastly expanded movepools and level up moves.
>only a select few trainers actually take advantage of this
Compare to HGSS where many trainers took advantage of the physical/special split and new moves such as Bugsy and Morty actually being semi-threats In ORAS, i actually swept Wattson with Ninjask where this wouldn't have happened in RSE. Not to mention the AI is very questionable, even with the Boss AI as they make weird move choices, where in the same situations in HGSS, they typically go for the best moves. Like when I fought Norman in ORAS, he would keep using Yawn on my Spoink, even though he could easily one shot it with Feint Attack.
May/Brendan got more importance in the city, but if was more of an annoyance as they keep showing up to stop you for exposition/healing and then do this awkward flirting with you.
I do like the increased frequency of the Trainer Eyes, as well as them scailing to your levels with each gym badge you obtain so it makes griding pretty simple and not time consuming like in most games, I'll give them that, but you really can't say ORAS did nothing wrong.

>>32999001
Announcements shouldn't spoil the entire event. Imagine if they announced a movie, and during the trailer they give you the intro, plot, climax, and resolution. Announcements are suppose to draw in interest and hype, not give you a reason to not even bother with it.

>>33001388
Also adding on to that why are still no gym leader rematches when HGSS had them (and GSC didnt)
>b-but the Resort Specialists
Who gives a shit about some faceless NPCs that don't even use the types that the gym leaders correspond with? That's such a bad excuse to exclude gym rematches.

>>33001307
They dont like Gen 6 retard, it shows how much they didnt enjoy SM. Or that SM did things worse than XY did.

For the record, I fucking hate XY (they are the worst games in the series) but SM managed to fuck up harder than them in several ways including worse online, customization, pokedex, and battle facility

>>33001388
This, nothing in ORAS compares to finding out that Whitney's Miltank holds a Lum Berry AND has Scrappy. Like holy fuck

>>33001472
Calm the fuck down first of all. Also explain shit like >>33000719 where you have people sucking off Gen 6, some ironically and some serious. And this isn't cherrypicked either, I see this all of the time.

>worse online
Oh no you have to go through Festival Plaza the entire game is ruined
>customization
It's mostly shit just like it was in XY but I'll give you this, it's a step down
>pokedex
Lack of the national dex is the only issue here. Or are you talking about Rotom dex? All that really did was give you a few lines of text here and there and the overworld map which honestly wasn't as bad as everyone thinks it was because now you can see ahead of you and not get blindsided by an obstacle if you're heading the wrong direction (not really a way to fix the camera angles but whatever).
>battle facility
How the fuck is the Battle Tree worse than the Maison? I'll be honest here, I never went to it so I'll take your word, but I can't imagine that it was worse than the Maison. It would basically be the same thing only with a few old characters to battle right? Part of me wanted to try it but I skipped it because I wasn't willing to go through yet another Battle Facility only to battle a few of the trainers and stop halfway through because I stopped enjoying it.

Regardless of those and other issues I had with the game (for me it was the simplified locations and dungeons and cutscenes) I'll accept it as a worthy trade off because most of the other aspects were an improvement on XY (the plot, trainer difficulty back to easy instead of piss easy, characters that actually did shit and more importantly the lack of XY's rivals, a region that had more depth than just two loops, and a little more postgame than XY.)

>>32998108
>there is no such thing as a bad main series Pokemon game

2017 /vp/, ladies and gentlemen

>>33001783
>Oh no you have to go through Festival Plaza the entire game is ruined

Its a definete step back and theres not point defending that aspect as in Gen 6 you coudl accessonline with literally 1 press and you can stay online while doing ingame shit like breeding and whatever. onlline being restricted only to the festival plaza when we already had the perct method is just plain stupid.

>>33001799
All the games are decent at worst, and have their own features that make the games worthwhile. What might be unenjoyable for you might be great for another person. Someone can like PWT, and another person can prefer the Underground.
Why are you even on /vp/ if you don't even like the games?

>>33001819
No don't get me wrong I don't want to defend it because it was really shitty of them to do that considering they had a method that worked. But for some reason they HAVE to change shit like that because they want each generation to be different yada yada so they never hold on to anything that works. But even then, it's not like it ruined the rest of the game. When people say they miss XY because of its PSS they don't actually miss XY, they miss being able to battle online the way they did in XY.

>>33000111
ORAS and Emerald are both good for different reasons. Emerald is better for challenges, ORAS is better for comfy gameplay.

>>32997847

Hoenn is by far my favourite region, and Emerald is one of my favourite games period, but ORAS is just a mediocre game at best, and comparing it to BW2 is absurd

The games is easy as fuck, even with the Exp Share turned off. The game hand holds you like there is no tomorrow.
Remember the cool shortcuts like the one that goes from the Normal gym to Mauville city? Remember how cool it was to find that thing? Well, forget that shit, we hand hold you again with a cutscene.
Remember when you could skip the second and sixth gym if you wanted, to battle them later? Well, now there are pointless NPCs blocking you to make the game more linear than it already was!

The Delta Episode is shit. The entire thing is flying to old zones and battle ROWS of underleveled bad guys, sit through dialogue and fly again. Zinnia dissapears from the game JUST when she was starting to become a really interestting character. The only good thing about it was the Zinnia battle theme and catching Deoxys ingame. (And the cutscene of you destroying the meteorite. I give them that)

The post game is a lazy copypaste from the XY battle mansion, but without a Friend Safari... The trainers there are very underleveled. Easy breeding is cool I guess

The ruined the safari zone

I liked the new Pokemon Contest, but you can't play it in wi-fi... what were they thinking?

This is more personal: I'm going to admit that I actually REALLY like most of the battle music, but I really don't like most of the route and city music, specially the fucking Desert music. All of it sounds boring and unexciting...

Remember when remakes were supposed to fix the problems of the original? And give a better game experience, like FRLG and HGSS did in comparison of their original?

ORAS is just a worse Ruby and Sapphire, and a much worse Emerald

The score that IGN gave it was 7.8 points too high

>>33001783
>How the fuck is the Battle Tree worse than the Maison?

Tree has less battle modes, and the "normal" modes you do before Supers start you off on fully powered pokemon instead of easing you into it. The only good it did is halving the price of Ability Capsules

>>32997898
battle frontier
>aesthetic reasons
misbalance in being too easy
gym leader rematches unincluded
sky pillar
>too lazy to backtrack areas
>safari zone ?
mirage tower
berry blending
>not gamefreak's fault they can't reimplement it
>aesthetic aspect of pokemarts - you're just lazy
>too lazy to obtain an hm slave, waterfall and surf are actual good moves even
>aesthetic
>coding
>physical bonus? self entitled fuck
>too lazy to grind
>the rest aesthetic

if you look at it the only reason to hate ORAS was with the battle tower. the other ares are grossly overshadowed by the fact that gen 6 had at least given some additional content to replace it, inclusive of course of the new mons and megas.

as a standalone game, it would be complete enough to pass. only genwunners would be too triggered to give a shit about losing some aspects from 4 generations earlier

>>33001799
>autism

>>32997938
>AND KEEP CONTRADDICTING THEMSELVES

It's saying that there's piss poor pokemon variety despite there being so many pokemon existing in the franchise you faggot.

>>33000149
>NO YOU CANT LIKE WHAT I DONT LIKE WAH
fuck up retarded fag

>>33006904
But anon, Oras dex is huge
You get national dex before beating the league too

>>33002116
>Remember the cool shortcuts like the one that goes from the Normal gym to Mauville city? Remember how cool it was to find that thing? Well, forget that shit, we hand hold you again with a cutscene.

What are you talking about? You're not forced to go there.

>The games is easy as fuck, even with the Exp Share turned off.

Thought that too, looked at numbers, notices I just got way way better than when I was a god damn child.

>>33001783
I dont understand, the festival plaza is objectively less good online than the PSS, and you agree with me that customization is worse.

In fact, your post makes no sense. My point was that people praise XY compared to SM because XY did things better than it, not because they like it. Hell, people are free to like XY more than SM without them liking XY on a whole

>>33000719 →
is just bait you fell for. You cant be a retard then tell me to calm down when I say you are

>>33001783
The Battle Tree has less modes than the Maison

>>33002116
>Remember when remakes were supposed to fix the problems of the original? And give a better game experience, like FRLG and HGSS did in comparison of their original?
HGSS fixed nothing about GSC though.

Also there's literally 1(new) forced teleport in the whole game, fuck off.

>>33008148
HGSS added new places to catch pokemon and train, and made the phone store all the numbers so you have more people to rematch. It also added back all the missing Kanto locations and gave both regions more variable environments.

People who say HGSS fixed nothing about the original just cant beat a gym leader unless they are the same level as them

ORAS was nowhere near as good as it could have been, but Dexnav is so much better than SoS that it's not even funny

>>32997847
Tempted to get AS just for the move tutors. Pissed that they don't have the one I need to get knock off on my azumarill in Y.

>>32997847
>mirage spots and soaring
>postgame
Updated hidden grottoes are nowhere near what is considered postgame

>>33009956
I'm playing SoulSilver right after finishing up Crystal. What new places are you talking about? All I see are the same exact places as before. Storing more phone numbers doesn't mean much if the people who call still prefer talking about inane things like how they released a Hoothoot recently instead of wanting to rematch. It's a huge step down from DPPt's Vs. Seeker system. The enemy teams' levels have only been changed slightly, they're still rather weak. Pryce got a minor buff compared to before, but he's still relatively easy. The same can be said about the Elite Four, where Lance still peaks at Level 50.
I've also noticed that even though people always mention that everything from Crystal is added in HGSS, that's not exactly the case. Eusine's there, but the games still use GS's Pokemon distribution rather than Crystal's. In Crystal, you could catch a Growlithe early on to make your team more varied and to balance out early water and grass types like Wooper and Bellsprout. In HGSS, you'd have to wait until you get through Goldenrod to do that. New Johto Pokemon like Snubbull and Marill had their encounter rates increased in Crystal, so finding them was luck-based. HGSS reverts back to the 1% encounter rates, so you'd have to luck out or hope there's a Pokemon swarm for the mon you want to catch.

I feel like a lot of the positive aspects of HGSS revolve around adding new features entirely rather than changing any faults with the originals. Pokeathlon is great.

Yellow is the best game. KYS,

>>33011580
They added Routes 47 and 48, Cliff Cave, and the Safari Zone. It makes a few pokemon easier to catch (I found a Marill in the Zone rather than the 1% rate at Mt Mortar). I think the new areas in Whirl Islands also give you Seadra. Most pokemon that were only catchble in Kanto were moved over to Johto

Route 47 also has that grass patch with Miltank and Ditto for training, and while the calling system is indeed a step down, you can just look up what times to call each person for a guaranteed rematch

Enemy teams are lower than in most games, but being scaled off of the slower level up rate of Johto, isnt much of a problem