will USUM usurp B2/W2's position on the trinity?

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>>32993735
>FartGold/ShitSilver
>amazing

USUM would have to overhaul almost everything SM did to even come close to these games.
Considering they're shitting it out only a year after SM, it's not going to happen.

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>>32993735
>HGSS

>>32993749
>>32993791
>animefags have shit taste

what a surprise

>>32993766
well, a year is plenty of time if you consider that the base (sm) is already done, unlinke in oras or most other games.

Don't be dumb. Alola has far too many issues to be fixed with a third version.

>>32993810
People said the same for Unova and look what happened.

>>32993749
>those names
simply XD

>>32993810
diamond and pearl are the worst games in the series and platinum is a good entry

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yall fuckin wylin if you don't think hgss were at least plausible remakes

>>32993834
>didn't fix the level curve
>didn't fix the Pokémon distribution
>ruined the soundtrack
>s....l.....o......w....
>no Kris
Shit remake.

>>32993822
>>32993829
Both Platinum and B2W2 had good bases. You're delusional if you think DP or BW are anywhere near as bad as SM. Alola is irredeemable garbage.

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>>32993867
Stop being a nostalgiafag.

>>32993867
D/P is worse than gen 1 dude, those games are godawful. And yes S/M is better than D/P, even X/Y and OR/AS as shitty as they are are better than D/P

It'll usurp HGSS position

In fact Platinum should be there, not HGSS

>>32993867
You're delusional (or a memer) if you don't think SM were the best first games of a generation.

>>32993872
STOP FORCING YOUR SHITTY MEME

>>32993867
B2W2 yeah, platinum no. I don't think you've played D/P lately, it's fucking unplayable

>>32993874
not with the shit brought over from D/P like retarded HMs and mt coronett it shouldm't

>>32993879
>You're delusional (or a memer) if you don't think SM were the best first games of a generation.
This is a meme, right? No one can be this retarded.

>>32993879
G/S and B/W are better. R/S are arguably better or at the least as good

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>>32993735
>HGSS

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>>32993872
>>32993873
>>32993879
SM are the worst games in the series because they have shitty hyper-streamlined level design with only a single dungeon and almost no cool places or nooks and crannies to discover. All that good stuff got replaced by a bullshit and extremely prominent narrative that has no good writing to back it up. The things that make Pokémon fun and interesting aren't focused on in SM and the things that make it less fun are.

If you think that having something like Silph Co. or the Mahogany Rocket hideout replaced with Lillie talking your ear off while never actually saying anything remotely interesting or substantive you need to kill yourself.

>>32993735
>Implying that BW2 being the weakest in the Trinity is self evident.

>>32993735
No, it will replace HGSS.

>>32993933
you're right on those factors but it still being better than the shitstains D/P shows how awful those games are

>>32993735
Sometimes I feel like the only person on this board who doesn't have a hardon for emerald. Yeah it's good, but nowhere near as perfect as B2W2 or HGSS.

>>32993944
I thought it was "Best Third Game", "Best Sequel", "Best Remake."

And nothing Gen 7 can do will ever topple B2W2.

>>32993956
HGSS has more flaws than emerald, its post game is also worse (no faggot, kanto is not post game)

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>>32993888
Let's see:
>Red/Blue
Outdated, glitchy games with no postgame

>Gold/Silver
Awful Pokémon distribution, bad level curve, generic and forgettable locations, butchered Kanto disguised as postgame

>Ruby/Sapphire
Water everywhere; Battle Tower is only postgame

>Diamond/Pearl
SLOW; no Fire types; had worse contests and secret bases than Hoenn; postgame island was only redeeming part

>Black/White
Autistic, 2deep4u plot; N is easily one of the worst Pokémon characters ever; most of the Pokédex was just a rehash of Gen 1 mons; Battle Subway is only postgame

>X/Y
Blatantly unfinished; garbage characters and plot; region lacks cohesion; Battle Maison and Looker Quest is the only postgame.

>S/M
Took risks and brought innovation to the series by replacing gyms with trials; easily the best Pokédex with a proper selection of Pokémon; God-tier story and characters, especially Lillie; super comfy region with a great variety of environments; good postgame with Battle Tree and UB sidequest

I think it's clear which set of games is the best.

>>32993968
Bashing XY's postgame while claiming SM's is good shows that you're biased but I agree with your other points.

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>>32993933
>Other Pokémon fans need to kill themselves for not being blinded by the past and acknowledging the good things newer games have done for the series!
This is why the fandom is dying.

But Platinum is there, not emerald

>>32993968
>easily the best Pokédex
Oh, ok, so you are just retarded.

I like how all the posts quoting OP, and saying HGSS aren't in the trinity aren't new IPs.

>>32993735
>Emerald
>Not Platinum
Emerald is great and all but let's not get ahead of ourselves with the memes here. And if anything, USUM will make it a holy pentagon of games.
E/Pt/HGSS/BW2/USUM

>>32994036
platinum has too many shitstain remnants from D/P like slow speed (even if its sped up still slow as shit), worst HM use in the series, very low enviornmental diversity in the main game, the only 2 areas where they diverge are snow/swamp which slow you down even more, fucked up selection of pokemon (fire types), and a worse battle frontier

>>32994033
no
stop being delusional

>>32994063
Yes.

>>32993860
>no kris
opinion discarded

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>>32994116

>>32993829
Only seen as a good entry here in contrarian land

>>32993879
SM are the worst entries of the generation hands down, beating out DP in the shit department.

>>32994123
nice hand size. also, would you mind not posting your shitty waifu anymore? thx

>Emerald instead of Platinum

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>>32993879
>SM were the best first games of a generation.

>>32993999
Except SM have brought absolutely nothing of value to the series besides a few QoL changes.

>>32994136
>>32994207
See >>32993968

>>32994231
They brought Z moves. Whether those are good or bad remains to be seen

>>32994243
>Z moves
Like I said, nothing of value. Z-moves at most are just marketing tools meant to wow kids with huge flashy animations. Meta-wise, if anything, they've just made strong Pokemon stronger.

>>32993874
u rite

Ultra Sun and Moon will definitely be better since there's no way they can make anything worse than Sun and Moon, but they won't be anywhere near as good as Emerald, HGSS, and BW 2.

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>>32993968
>God-tier story and characters

Have you ever consumed any form of media past a kindergarten level?

>>32993749
Spotted the cool guy

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>>32993968
>Took risks and brought innovation to the series by replacing gyms with trials; easily the best Pokédex with a proper selection of Pokémon; God-tier story and characters, especially Lillie; super comfy region with a great variety of environments; good postgame with Battle Tree and UB sidequest

Sun and Moon were literally demos.

>character walks like robot
>frame drops
>no post game
>no national dex
>areas blocked as if saying "buy the full version next year!"

>>32993968
Trials are literally just Gyms with a different coat of paint. And they're arguably inferior in many ways.

I do like Totem Pokemon, though.

also, why am I replying to a troll post anyway, nobody with taste this shit actually exists, right?

>>32993968
(You)

I think so

>32993968

(you)

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>>32993968
>>S/M
>God-tier story and characters,
>especially Lillie
>good postgame with Battle Tree and UB sidequest

>X/Y
>Blatantly unfinished
>garbage characters and plot;
>Battle Maison and Looker Quest is the only postgame.

How can you suck SMs cock so hard when it has the same problems as XY.

>>32993933
this desu. the region design is shit. I actually liked the story but considering the story was only 1/20 of my total playtime my experience was pretty shit overall

XY had a terrible story but the region was pretty good so I enjoyed them more (also the online was better.) With Z they could have been great but unfortunately they are doomed to mediocrity

Hoenn, Sinnoh and Unova were already good so their third versions made them godlike

>>32993968
You had me until BW

>>32993933
First of all: Good double

Sun and Moon were okay games that took a lot of risks, except that they also had a lot of REALLY questionable game design decisions (Electric Trial, Magnezone/Vikavolt/Crabominable evolution, THE BATTLE DOME)

My only reason to have high expectations for Ultra S&M is that they will likely be the final Main Series games on the 3DS.

>>32993872
>>32993867
He's right though. But About the first part, indeed I think even Alola can be redeemed.
BW was way more than ''just a good basis'' though.

>>32993962
>takes place after you become champion and credits roll
>not post game
>obligatory "faggot"

End this meme.

>>32994767
it's not post game because jhoto (and kanto) were both axed to fit into one game, hoenn is bigger than both of them combined

>>32994033
At this point, I just figured that the people trying to shit on HG/SS while saying that Gen 5 was actually good already know they're retarded.

>>32994787
>it's not post game because they made them fit

That has literally nothing to do with whether or not it's post game.

>>32994833
if you're still collecting badges, it aint post game

>>32993735
Platinum>>> Emerald

>>32994890
pleb opinion

>>32994839
>you're still collecting badges that no longer have anything to do with going to the Pokémon league.

And? You collect frontier symbols too.

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>>32993749
>lilliefags have shit taste

>>32993735
>Emerald instead of Platinum
time to stop

IT HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT THE HOLY TRINITY IS AS FOLLOWS

PLATINUM
HGSS
BW2

THERE IS NO DEBATING THIS WHATSOEVER

>>32993933
This guy knows what he is talking about.

>>32995151
Platinum is incredibly overrated over here desu
it's polarizing everywhere else and very rarely seen as among the best

>>32994231
And even those are somewhat destroyed by removal of other quality of life features.

Only being able to use the garbage control pad instead of the accurate Dpad and having to constantly hold down B on Tauros instead of it just running at top speed at all times like bikes meaning breeding requires both hands at all times is shit that should never have happened if improving QoL was the goal.

>>32994890
Platinum<<<<<Emerald

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>>32993968
>SM
>easily the best Pokédex with a proper selection of Pokémon
>God-tier story and characters
>especially Lillie

Ohhh, I get it!

>>32994839
It's post game after you've beaten the League because that is the goal of the game.

Being able to go on to collect additional badges doesn't change the fact that you're doing so post game.

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>>32993968
>Red/Blue
yeah pretty much
>Gold/Silver
I'd argue otherwise about the locations but still correct
>Ruby/Sapphire
Water everywhere isn't an issue. Its awful variety is.
>Diamond/Pearl
yep
>Black/White
Autistic makes no sense here, N isn't that bad and at least offers more than Lillie. Also is less of a Mary Sue than Lillie.
>X/Y
yep
>S/M
>Took risks and brought innovation to the series by replacing gyms with trials
Haha no. Trials are reskinned gyms and are arguably even easier than them as well. The idea was interesting but the execution lacking.
>easily the best Pokédex with a proper selection of Pokémon
The variety is up there with XY but the distribution isn't. There's too much reliance on the call for help shit. Also fishing was fucked over as well.
>God-tier story and characters, especially Lillie
The story is really generic, drops the ball with Ultra Beasts, and Lillie is pretty blatantly a Mary Sue. She breaks the games in order to progress her narrative which is pretty stupid.
>super comfy region with a great variety of environments
Stop using the fucking comfy buzzword, it doesn't explain a thing. Alola is linear garbage and offers very little in terms of level design. Even Kalos offers more than it.
>good postgame with Battle Tree and UB sidequest
no
>I think it's clear which set of games is the best.
Sure isn't SM if that's what you're trying to imply.

>>32993735
I think your image is shit OP. None of those games were amazing. Good yes, fun certainly, but not even close to amazing considering they were rehashing.

>>32995409
I do agree with most of these but

>Trials are reskinned gyms
Gyms are essentially the boss battles of Pokemon. So, they're going to be similar. I enjoyed the trials and while some were easy, I thought the Mallows was particularly difficult. After the age of 14, I've never had to SR because I lost while haphazardly playing Pokemon. SM changed that. I'd say trials are an overall upgrade in challenges and variety.

>>32993735
You left some games out lad
>Firered, leafgreen, emerald
>hgss, platinum
>Black and white, black and white 2

Fixed

>>32995465
I would disagree there. I'd much rather fight a gym with 3+ Pokemon and some puzzles rather than the braindead stuff the trials throw at you. I also never really had any issues at all with the totem mons. Maybe Mimikyu was kind of annoying but nothing really difficult.

>>32993735
swap hgss with plat and then we'll talk

Simple answer: no

Not with only one year between main game and USUM

Not with Alola's design the way it is (so barely any cities, closed buildings, small caves, no good places to add anything new)

Not with GFs current mindset that short games are better, that people dont enjoy post game.

Not with alola having already two battle facilities. Not with the boring pokefinder, not if the story is being even remotely close to the original (so basically babysitting Lillie aswell as ridiculous Aether and Skull)

The best you can count on are new alola forms, new z moves and maybe few more opened buildings

>>32993735
add platinum and we're good

>>32997969
>Red/Blue/Yellow
Mediocre, glitchy games. Good for a nostalgia rush and has one of the best regional dex, apart from that, not much else.
>Gold/Silver/Crystal
Wonky level curve and stupid regional dex, good legendaries though.
>Ruby/Sapphire
Music track has too much of the same shit in it, but the tracks are still enjoyable every now and again. It also introduced some weird pokemon designs.
>Emerald
Ruby and Sapphire but twice as good because of the Battle Frontier and fug.
>Diamond/Pearl
Some of the best starter designs and route music, really fucking comfy. Although it was super slow and kind of a bore to play through.
>Platinum
It's Diamond and Pearl + Battle Frontier and Better Legendary. That makes it twice as good.
>Heartgold/Soulsilver
A super beefed-up version of GS with great town design and legendary battle themes. Only major problem was that it was as slow as Diamond and Pearl.
>Black/White
An actually decent storyline for once, but the regional dex is the worst. Nice atmosphere though.
>Black 2/White 2
Fixed almost a lot of the issues that BW had including the regional dex and had an even better storyline to boot.
>X/Y
Worst storyline, worst Legendaries, mediocre music and too much Gen 1 pandering. Only good thing that came out of this was wonder-trade and 3D Pokemon.
>ORAS
It's Ruby and Sapphire. Thats it, nothing more
except for the Delta Episode, which was pretty cool.
>Sun/Moon
A pretty darn good storyline when compared to other Pokemon games, a model upgrade and some nice Music. Also had the best "evil" team (Skull). Once again though, too much Gen 1 pandering, virtually no post-game and was kinda short.
>Ultra-Sun/Ultra-Moon PREDICTION
It's Sun/Moon but better because of *insert post-game activity here*

>>32998072
>Also had the best "evil" team (Skull

Because they were laughable and weak?

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>>32993968
Saturday morning bait

>>32994399
You have a bias hateboner for SM if you actually think it has the same problems as XY. The only overlapping problem is the framerate, but at least SM runs better on n3DS

>>32998091
No. Cause they were Charismatic and Fun.

It really depends on your taste different people like different things from the series, for me my trinity is Platinum-S&M-ORAS and depending on how much it changes USM will probably replace S&M.

>>32998137
your opinion is shit , mine is better its a fact

You really think I'm going to fall for that, well if you think my opinions shit then clearly you don't seek out the same things as me in a game and I respect that.

>>32998115
So basically they were the laughing stock of the game, nothing more.

>>32998156
Thanks man.
Sorry, I just kinda had to get my daily bait in.
What do you think is gonna be new in USUM?

>>32998157
No, they had cool music, cool uniforms and grunts, a slav leader, a cool hideout (Galactic Hideout was better though,) and were pretty dorky and funny. All of this made them likeable to me.

Hard to say, personally I hope for a improved story that adds focus to Necrozma and hopefully Zygarde, having more to do in certain areas, that Pikachu area looks like it could be interesting, and some new Totems, and Z-Moves.

>>32998170
So basically you liked the designs, music and all the "haha so funny XD" aspects.

I guess everytthing else can be shit as long as people like the designs

>>32998191
Those are all just my preferences dude, you can like whatever the fuck you like whether it be the difficulty or the themed Pokemon.

>>32998191
What are you, the kind of people who prefer a "serious" team??

>>32998274
No, i prefer a team that is both well designed on all fronts and its still threatning and challenging

Skull is not threatning, not challenging, they didnt accomplish anything, they didnt do anything memorable throughout the whole game. Nobody fears them, Alola npcs treats them like a joke and waste of time. No other team before them was this weak that nobody cares anymorre

>>32998303
What was your favourite team then?
You seem like a Galactic/Rocket kinda guy.

>>32998315
Galactic and Plasma

Rocket is mediocre to me. They are threatning enough but not very memorable. It seems they're more popular because they were the first team ever.

>>32998191
Pokemon is a dead serious game, right?

>>32993749
boy you fuckin stupid
best games in the franchise suck on shit

>>32993933
/thread

>>32993879
>>32993968
SM did literally the least risky thing you could possibly do. Change the names and aesthetics of things to give the illusion of freshness while not being different at all.

Also, calling SM's postgame good is giving you away

Also, GS, RS and BW are definitely better than SM.

>>32993968
I don't even think this is bait. There are genuinely Alolafags on this board.

>>32994787
>Hoenn is bigger than both of them combined
lol, no. Not with 17 water routes of nothing

>>32995151
this is correct

>>32993735
Remove Emerald

>>32993735
Only if it's actually good. It would need to completely rewrite the story to be less intrusive as a start, and I can't see Ohmori allowing that to happen given Lillie is his waifu.

>>32995458
>rehashing
You mean refining

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>>32993968
>God-tier story and characters, especially Lillie

Let's settle this, which were the best base games of a generation? Remakes don't count

G/S>B/W>R/S>X/Y>D/P>R/B>S/M

>>33000479
No, I mean what I said faggot. Learn to read.

>>33000493
Gen 5 nearly killed the series.

>>33000506
They took what was there and improved it. They refined it. I'm completely fine with playing a good game that uses an older game as its base, it's certainly better than playing a new, unpolished, rushed game. XY were garbage and didn't even get a third version that could potentially make Kalos good, and they skipped the third version so they could rush out SM even faster and it was similarly shit. Now they're making USM but with only a year of dev time even THAT is rushed compared to most third-versions (even BW2 had 18 months of dev time if you compare the Jap release of BW1 to BW2) so I can't see it being that refined compared to past third-versions.

>>33000547
Fuck off trying to manipulate what I said to suit your agenda. Grab a dictionary and look up the word if you don't understand it.

>>33000552
I was correcting you, not manipulating what you said. If you want to clarify that you DON'T think anything that isn't a new region is a "rehash" and thus not worth playing I'll apologize after you say so, but it seemed like you value novelty over something being actually good.

>>33000522
no gen killed the series
saying so is a buzzphrase like how comfy is a buzzword

>>33000560
You're not correcting anyone. You are delusional.

>>32993735
But the current holy trinity is Platinum, BW2, and SM.

>>33000565
I swear. "Buzzword" itself is a buzzword now.

>>32993735
Not a chance, it will suffer from even worse frame rates and it's still based on a Hawaiian region.

>>33000599
No it's not.

Even FireRed and Leafgreen are better than Platinum

>>32993968
>Repeating something you said
>Childish insult
>"Le so funny reaction face XD"
To alll you who do this, unironically kill yourselves

>>33000650
Do you want me to say "useless terms that add fucking nothing to the conversation" instead?

>>32993735

>HGSS being in the pic at all

>>32993968
>no Fire types

how is this still a point people bring up? holy shit, git gud

>>32993735
Very likely. Think of it this way.

BW were solid games. Certainly not the best but not bad either. Then, BW2 came out and were amazing. They added a new dex, new story, much much more content, overall it was easily the best Pokemon games we've ever had.

SM were not perfect but compare them to other first games in a gen (GS, RS, DP) and you'll find that they're easily the best. If BW2 launched off of an "eh" game and was as great as it is, USM will probably be much, much better.

>>32993797
>going on an anime website and complaining about anime

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How fucking autistic do you have to be to spend a significant portion of your life pushing your negative opinions of a game on /vp/?

Clearly the anti-SM anons are in the minority here, (pic related is a /vp/ poll from a day or two ago) so that means that every time we have boxart threads filled with SM hate, it's all them.

>>33001018
Vp is weird not too long ago everyone hated X and Y and loved sun and moon now everyone hates sun and moon and loved x and y. I also remember when gen 4 was praised as best gen but now it's worst gen of all time

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>>32993968
>Autistic, 2deep4u plot
triggered beyond belief

they make a good plot and you have the balls to call it that

>>33001018
/vp/ is full of contrarian morons, what else is new?

>>33001220
>>33001018, clearly.

>>33001018
more than half the voters think the game had big flaws and that is supposed to be used to further your argument?

Anti-SM people just think that the game is very flawed. I liked SM but they were very flawed and the hate is justified

>>33001031
Nobody here loves XY

>>33000493
I agree with this, but SM is above DP

>>32993735
Yes. Anyone contrarian who makes an autistic argument about "muh gen 5" is wrong. USUM will definitely be better than BW2

>>32993797
HGSS is the best game desu

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Hi, I just came here to say that while a good game, Platinum is hugely overrated.
No need to thank me, you're welcome.

>>32994890
Gen 4 shouldn't even exist. It could disappear and it would not effect the franchise at all. Literally a filler generation with shitty fakemon evolutions, the most forgettable npc's, and least creative legendaries and storyline. the only good to come of it were improved battle mechanics but the rest of it was a waste of a game.

>>32993735
Replace HGSS with Platinum

>>33001018
All that pic shows is that 48% of the board either has shit taste or is unable to admit the flaws of the things they like.
Nothing unusual.

>>32998303
>No, i prefer a team that is both well designed on all fronts and its still threatning and challenging
So none of the teams? Neo-plasma comes close, but really all of the other teams are a joke.

Skull at least accepts its position as a joke, and strangely enough gets better design and direction because of it.

>>33001018
Lol
>one poll
>sample size of 290 people from a single community known to harbor autists
It's settled folks!

>>33001314
Gen 4 was the worst generation

>>33001318
Lol, funny joke

>>33001318
>>33001357
>>33001372
Is this some sort of samefag bait? IP counter hasn't gone up from these

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>>33001182
keep believing that

>HGSS
>amazing
If you consider using D/P's slow gameplay format, having terrible pokemon distribution, and not fixing the issues with the original GSC's level consistency, then your standards for "amazing" must be incredibly low.

>>33002439
I've never understood what people mean by the level issue and haven't played HGSS in years. What do you guys mean by that?

>>32993874
>>32995275
>>33002439
This. Platinum or FRLG deserve to be on there much more than HGSS.

>>33002457
Halfway through the Johto league, leaders and elites become incredibly inconsistent with wild pokemon and trainers. When about to fight gym leaders or the elites four with level 40s-50s in their parties, you're still encountering wild pokemon and trainers still in their level 20s and 30s. This forces players who didn't have absolute dedicated parties from the very beginning of the game to either do some unbearable grinding sessions or use the incredibly convoluted HGSS rematch system.

These factors along with HGSS' slow gameplay pacing makes the game almost very boring by the time you get your 6th Johto gym badge.

>>32993749 (you)

>>33002583
Maybe I'll give it a go later and try to make a dedicated team with mons from the middle and onward of Johto.

>>32993872
Stop posting, avatarfag

>>32993968
>Red/Blue
Agreed, however they were very innovative.

>Gold/Silver
Level curve and pokemon distribution were bad, but most locations are very memorable. Kanto was great in G/S.

>R/S
Water being everywhere isn't necessarily bad. From what you said this one has the least flaws. Problems with the games stem more from how outdated it is compared to newer games.

>Diamond/Pearl
Agreed but a good chunk of the game was pretty good.

>Black/White
First game to have a cohesive story and probably took more risks than S/M due to the lack of other pokemon. Only the first fourth of the pokedex is a rehash of gen 1 mons, and most of the time they were simply better.

>X/Y
Agreed that it was unfinished. They probably planned to make a third version but ended up scrapping it due to time constraints.

>S/M
Most people agree that trials are worse than gyms. The game is also incredibly casualized and very easy. The new pokemon introduced in the gen were often lackluster even compared to gen 6. The postgame is almost as short as X/Y. They both only had two main things to do.

>>32993735
If anything Emerald is the one that's leaving.

>>33002915
>he thinks he's avatarfagging
Lurk more

>>32993735
>B2/W2 leaving
Why would the best games be the one leaving? If anything HGSS would be leaving which probably won't happen considering that USUM won't be anywhere near that great of a game unless Gamefreak does a complete overhaul of the entire Alola region.

>>33000749
HGSS is the only one that deserves to be in the pic.

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>>32993810
This.
>>32993822
BW2 had a longer development cycle.

>Emerald is leaving!
>No HGSS is!
>No it's actually B2W2
>m-muh platinum
these are /vp/'s favorite games

>>33001031
>now everyone ... loved x and y
Bullshit, I hate Sun and Moon and still think XY are the worst games in the series. And I still praise Gen 4.
What's actually going on is /vp/ is more than one person

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>>32993749
>>32993791

none of these are platinum?

>>32994272
I don't see how it could be worse than b2w2, to be honest
they weren't that good

>>33003373
Underage detected.