Let's just take a moment to appreciate the fact that GF

>>32977223
She just wants to be fashionable.

>>32977223
That's not feathers retard. Also if you believe in evolution and feathered dinosaurs you're a complete dupe.
It's meant to look like a kings frills.

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>>32977244
>Christian denies scientific facts

>>32977244
>>32977255
Dubs don't lie who to believe?

>>32977272
Believe science, christians use an old storybook for all of their knowledge.

>>32977272
Believe these dubs, sciencefags are cucks

>>32977279
and atheists don't use chimpin ain't easy for all their knowledge?

>>32977223
Who says they're feathers?

>>32977255
>>32977272
>>32977279
First of no. There is NO way to tell if dinosaurs had feathers, also if you wanna follow your precious "science" keep in mind that carbon dating doesn't work unless ALL fossils found are less than 100.000 years old, which yet again disproves it. And then there's also the second law of thermodynamics, the fact that the creator cannot be disproven, the complexity of life itself... but you'll build a strawman around that too, common for you pseudo-scientists that just want an excuse not to believe in god like the fedora tippers you are. Enjoy your pathetic lie of a life. ;)

>>32977272
Honestly, 32977244 happens to be full of shit. Just saying. Those bones didn't dig themselves. They did not just happen to jam theirselves in place like a bunch of godfuckingdamned LEGOs! Some coked up philosopher from ages past whose name is lost to history didn't think it was a great idea to start spouting delusional shite about giant reptiles roaming the earth to fool a bunch of suckers. Dinos happened.

>>32977304
>keep in mind that carbon dating doesn't work unless ALL fossils found are less than 100.000 years old

BS.

>>32977312
That's honestly what might've happened though. These animals are long gone, but not as long as we think, see >>32977304
carbon dating only works on fossils that are around 100.000 years old. We literally have no idea how they actually looked like, we can only guess. What ever the answer is the truth is that they were all created TOGETHER with us and we lived with them for a short period, they can't be millions of years old since that has long been disproven.

>>32977304
There was a small dinosaur tail encased in amber found, and guess what; it had feathers.

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>>32977255
>>32977272
If dipshits didn't reply to bait posts like @32977255, people would stop trolling for attention.

>>32977255
>Christian
>He never said his religion
You know what they say about assuming

>>32977371
Source where? And how do they know it was a dinosaur tail? We literally have zero DNA strings of dinosaurs, that tail could've belonged to literally anything.

>>32977404
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/12/feathered-dinosaur-tail-amber-theropod-myanmar-burma-cretaceous/

>>32977304
>Carbon dating is not the only way to date things
>Second Law of Thermodynamics only applies in closed systems. Earth is not a closed system.
>A creator can neither be proven nor disproven
>All life can be reduced to exceedingly simple systems and can traced back to less complex forms of life
>Being this uneducated
>replying to a terrible troll post
>meme arrows

Am I just witnessing some huge counter bait fest, or what?

Like, its such intensely obvious bait that Id rather give benefit of the doubt and assume there's some meta bait shit going on that's several levels above what I understand, but I'm not so sure that's whats happening.

I fucking hate this place.

>>32977420
>Carbon dating is not the only way to date things
And? Most other methods are complete bullshit. How do they date fossils? Using the rocks around. And how do they date the rocks? With the fossils! Cycle of bullshit and lies, nothing more.
>Second Law of Thermodynamics only applies in closed systems. Earth is not a closed system.
Simply wrong, the entire Universe is an open system. Entropy INCREASES, now matter what you do. Living things try to fight entropy but while doing so waste energy, following this life couldn't have begun without a creator. It's simply impossible.
>A creator can neither be proven or disproven
Ever heard of a razor? Using that the simplest answer is the best one, the simplest answer is god. Religion has been around longer than pseudo-science, Religion therefore can be trusted more.
>All life can be reduced to sceedingly simple systems and can traced back to less complex forms of life
Life comes in different complexity, and? That doens't prove evolution in any way.
>being this uneducted
>replying to a terrible troll post
>meme arrows
Now you're just spouting memes and buzzwords. Proof that evolutionists have zero evidence to back up their claims.

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I just wanted a completely innocent and comfy Tyrantrum appreciation thread...

Everyone knows T-rex didn't have arms.

>>32977482
That's what you get for spouting unproven pseudo scientific theories, faggot. Doesn't even apply to Tyrantrum as i've said earlier, it's meant to resemble the frills of a king.

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>>32977473
>*angry complainey noises*
lol

>>32977490
a king with feathers

>>32977473
Can your god create a stone he cannot lift?

>>32977490
What. I didnt participate in all ths shitflinging. I just saw this thread so I went looking for good Tyrantrum pics and then I came back to this trainwreck

>>32977398
That if someone doesn't believe in science, assume it's because they believe in a sky wizard?

It's a pretty common saying, of course we know.

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Dinosaurs didn't have feathers in the Pokemon universe, they had rocks.

>>32977473
>Religion has been around longer than pseudo-science, Religion therefore can be trusted more.
good poimt

>>32977414
>tissue and feather's are so damaged that it can't be clearly traced back
Bullshit yet again. Pseudo-science, nothing more.
>>32977493
>more memes
Try harder
>>32977494
No. It's clearly fluff.
>>32977495
What does this have to do with anything?
>>32977503
If you're OP you did, as i've said.

Those are fairly obviously supposed to be scales stylized to look like a popped collar.

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>>32977517
>Pterodactyl
>dinosaur

>>32977537
fluffy feathers

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>>32977544
yes

Being a geologist, this thread hurts my head

>>32977537
I am not OP lol like I said I was just looking for good Tyrantrum pics

>>32977279
That storybook may not be fact, but the stories can be useful in the right hands. It's just that its believers are either too stupid to wield the information or simply miss the forest for the trees in said book.

>>32977557
You mean a fedora tipping atheist looking for pointless pseudo-scientific proof that can easily be disproven? Cool, happy for you. Have fun in your delusional world.

>>32977556
>tfw you named your Tyrantrum "Grimlock"

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>>32977537
Please. It is just down the hallway, two doors down on your left. You can't fucking miss it, pal.

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>>32977325
Hahahahaha I'm neither of the people ur arguing with but on what grounds do u call bs? R u just hoping ur right fucking kek

>>32977568
I'm a Christian though

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>>32977557
The amount of ignorance and hate towards science in recent times has been colossal.

>>32977594
*tips*
>>32977586
A christian in the wrong then

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>>32977598
Just like them all? No surprise there, Mick.

>>32977508
>sky wizard
Your ignorance is quite pathetic if I say so, but what to expect of someone who believes an athetists strawman of explaining the origin of life...

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>>32977570
>no stegosaurus Pokemon to name Snarl

>>32977598
You don't understand Christianity do you, since it seems you have no clue how science or religion work

Wow, before this thread I had no idea the bible said dinosaurs don't have feathers.

>>32977557
Literally my.moms geologist

>>32977618
Both are beliefs. One cannot be disproven and has been around for way longer while the other one is a strawman of godless atheists that have no Idea of actual science. And christians that actually believe this BS are simply contradicting themselves, you cannot have two religions, it makes no fucking sense. so yeah sure carry on.

>>32977643
Christianity follows the teaching of Jesus and the new testament which defeats what was previously said in the old testament and how he defeated death and ascended into heaven, pretty much be a good person and pass it on.

Science is not a religion and everything you've said can be disproven and I seriously think you're trolling at this point or you're 13.

>>32977643
>>>/pol/
>>>/sci/
>>>/r9k/
>>>/x/
>>>/anywhere but fucking here/
do us a favor

>>32977223
I believe in a creator and evolution

>>32977613
>Gen 7 had no Fossils
>Just like Gen 2 had no Fossils

>>32977223
>the fact that GF gave Tyrantrum an awesome beard and coat.

fixed.

>>32977223
>they gave feathers to one of the theropods that's confirmed not to have them
Woah, thanks based GameFreak!

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>>32977681
Same
Pic sort of related

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>>32977495
A stone that God cannot lift, cannot exist.
>>32977594
It's not science if it relies on baseless fundamental dogmata.

>>32977676
http://listverse.com/2012/12/15/top-10-reasons-science-is-another-religion/

http://www.icr.org/article/7311/

You can look up more for yourself but Science is just another religion based on faith.

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>>32977255
I was reading college biology books when I was 8 years old.

>>32977739
>>32977739
Are you seriously using a top 10 article and a thesis from the creation institute which is biased towards the idea of creationism?

You're not even arguing your own point but just listing articles from websites with no credits. All the sources from your second link are from same people who wrote the article "Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth: Results of a Young-Earth Creationist Research Initiative., They even had to use scientific notation as a source to bloat it up.

Come back with real research and sources before summer break is over for you.

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>>32977643
Whenever I see a fellow Creationist, I have to consider whether to bolster his arguments, work on my own, or fight on two fronts.
The best advice that I can give is to cause infighting on the other side.
>>32977557
The truth hurts those wrapped in deceit, by causing the pain of cognitive dissonance.

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>>32977594
>science
>72 genders
>THE EARTH IS GONNA FREEZE
>THE EARTH IS GONNA BOIL
>MUH MILLIONS OF YEARS
>Shilled by MSM
>MSM caught lying repeatedly
Sure it's science

Science can't prove anything but you'd have to try really hard to believe that birds aren't dinosaurs and that feathers didn't evolve in archosaurs before birds were a thing
The world is very old and many things have happened before anything humans have observed existed

>>32977794
>the world is very old
lol just fuck off already, it has been disproven so many times in this thread

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>>32977304
>First of no. There is NO way to tell if dinosaurs had feathers,
:^)

>>32977810
I don't want to believe you're trolling but I don't see any evidence for a young world, you can show me some or at least point me in the right direction if you want

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>>32977793
Just keep believing in the Magic Evolution Fairy!
Responsible for all variation!
YES YOU WERE ONCE RATS WHO CAME FROM GOO BELIEVE US DON'T QUESTION US WE'RE TRUSTWORTHY

>>32977820
Evolution is absolutely, unquestionably a real system because life today is not the same as life in the past
However, we are still trying to figure out its mechanisms, and of course, the nature of DNA itself

>>32977817
Helium outgassing. The earth should have produced more Helium into its atmosphere from the decay of radioactive isotopes than is actually observed.

>>32977820
It is a fairytale though. Proven time and time again.
>>32977814
Shitty artists rendition, DNA so damaged that it can't evne be proven to be a dinosaur. Nothing of value.
>>32977817
Carbon dating, radioactive dating etc. imply it is way younger. Check for yourself.

>>32977716
Tyrannosaurs may have feathers, but we know that T. rex definitely had scales
Whether it had both is unknown, since we have no feather impressions for it, but we do have scale

never be too quick to assume the truth

>>32977830
Gas does leave the atmosphere, doesn't it?
I'll check up on that

>>32977834
Uh huh, thanks for the insight, bud
there is no non-dinosaur with feathers we know of, so its probably safe to assume that if it has feathers it is a dinosaur

>>32977817
Fossils actually can form in hundreds of years, and they're not as rare as most claim them to be.

>people don't believe in evolution
>In a world where chihuahuas and specially bred cattle exist.

We fucking do it ourselves on spectacular levels. You can watch evolution happen literally in front of you with a jar of fruit flies and controlled doses of pesticides.

>>32977848
That is selective breeding and adaptation you dumb fuck. Go die in a fire you ignorant piece of shit.

>>3297779
That's not what outgassing is, helium can be absorbed and consumed it doesn't just build up, try again

>>32977848
Evolution is undeniable, but the processes of natural selection are definitely up for debate
There is definitely artificial selection, no doubt, but the grand scheme of things will take a LOT more time to observe to be definite about it

its why I like paleontology so much, you get to cover a lot more ground looking backwards than waiting for things to move forwards

>>32977304
Didn't a closer look at many fossils reveal they had small dimples consistent with that of feather anchor points?

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Friendly reminder that this is a board for Pokemon, not getting but hurt over weather dinosaurs had feathers or not

>>32977304
>>32977338

>keep in mind that carbon dating doesn't work unless ALL fossils found are less than 100.000 years old
>carbon dating only works on fossils that are around 100.000 years old.

Good thing we don't date things terribly old using carbon then, isn't it? Everything breaks down, and there are several elements with half lives we can use to date.

You're either a terrible troll regurgitating already debunked arguments to annoy or a REALLY ignorant religious retard.

I'm going to bank on the former because even most of the religious idiots knwo better than to use these claims anymore they've been debunked so many times.

There are times we specifically don't use carbon because we know something modified the levels making them incorrect even for younger things. Fuck sake...

>>32977859
velociraptor did I think, and several, earlier dromaeosaurs (microraptor comes to mind) were likely capable of power flight
this means that velociraptor may have descended from flying ancestors itself, and is very closely related to modern birds (for a non-avian dinosaur)

however, non-maniraptors are much less likely to have actual feathers

>>32977817
The dating methods rely on some underlying assumptions of Uniformitarianism.
The ratio of Carbon 14 to Carbon 12 is always ASSUMED to have been CONSTANT, the SAME as it was in the PAST as it is TODAY.
With no proof given. It's an unjustifiable assumption.

>>32977874
Yes, I think its generally accepted that carbon dating is not very reliable for dating very old things
carbon dating is more common in archaeology than in paleontology, I believe

>>32977851
Evolution
>over time a species, constantly changing and mutating, will begin to suit it's environment better as the ones with more convenient adaptations survive and less convenient or harmful adaptations die off
Selective breeding and adaptation
>Over time, making sure animals with positive- relative to what your "goal" is- genetic variations breed, and separating them from the ones without those traits, results in a different animal.

So besides being completely assblasted that someone would dare throw the most obvious evidence possible at you despite parroting that there is none over and over again, can you please explain the difference here? Legitimately curious of what you think.

>>32977835
Correct me if I'm wrong but (proto)feathers are so far considered to be an extremely rare occurance on large theropods, with the only known species being Yutyrannus, which lived in a cold climate. With the lack of any clear evidence despite all of the samples I stand by my assumption that Tyranosaurus didn't have feathers and OP is a faggot for thanking GameFreak for a clear design mistake.

>>32977848
That's artificial selection.
>>32977817
A rock recently formed from a New Zealand Lava flow (less than 50 years old) was sent to Geochron Laboratories which dated it millions of years in the past. A complete failure.
https://answersingenesis.org/geology/carbon-14/radioactive-dating-failure/

>>32977894
Feathers help animals cool you moron.

>>32977880
Darwinian evolution is simply the idea that all organisms share a common ancestor.
Natural selection is the property for a given population, over time, to change the frequency of its alleles based on the survival rates of its individual members expressing different phenotypes.
They're fucking different, but are often conflated so as to make one's vacuous arguments seem stronger.

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>>32977878
A coolheaded response.

>>32977894
Well, there's a lot of funky phylogenetics happening in paleontology recently

I think people have taken Yutyrannus having supposed feather impressions a little bit far, but there is logic behind it
in the related animals we know, do any of them suddenly lose or gain a trait like feathers? of course, there are some mammals that have a low amount of fur compared to their close ancestors, but humans still have some hair on their head, you know?

I think its unlikely that tyrannosaurus rex was completely featherless, given its ancestry, but I'm willing to accept a naked T. rex

>>32977895
>answersingenesis
I'll take another couple sources please

>>32977895
The article you're using is written by someone who is citing his own abstract from the 90's which is based on a study from the 70's. One mess up from half a decade ago does not affect how carbon dating is used today.

Also you're using an article from the institute of creation research which as I've said before is biased. Try again

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>>32977828
You know that the word "evolution" has evolved, right?
I think you mean to say Natural Selection.

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>>32977903
Are you using modern bird feathers as a point of reference or what? The kind of "feathers" Yutyrannus was covered by were fur-like (filamentous) and helped it survive in a colder climate

>Based on the distribution of the feathers, they may have covered the whole body and served in regulating temperature, given the rather cold climate of the Yixian with an average annual temperature of 10 °C (50 °F).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yutyrannus

So fuck off moron. I bet you're one of those retards drawing feathered dinosaurs as giant chickens.

>>32977934
No, I don't
natural selection is a theory to explain the observed phenomenon of evolution

>>32977940
animals without already having insulation bother trying to live in cold climates
they don't just sprout up, animals suited to those niches fill it

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So many sticks up people's asses in this thread. This is just like the anime convention all over again.

>>32977941
Natural selection has been observed;
Darwinian evolution cannot be observed.

>>32977223
>it's the feathered T. rex meme again

>>32977490
tell you what man, go get a doctorates in paleontology, then tell us that dinosaurs didn't have feathers, because you have no legitimate ground to stand on other than basically just saying
>the thousands of people who study this for a living are all wrong because dinosaurs look g-gay with feathers...

>>32977953
how do you go about we test process that have been taking place over millions of years?
the reason natural selection exists is because its trying to explain the processes we have observed, but animals certainly change over time and new species arise somehow

>>32977953
We've seen it in bacteria

>>32977974
You've seen Natural selection in bacteria.

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>Convince the entire world that dinosaurs (demons) were natural creatures from the past
>So when the world government begins to bring them through to our world in the transition into complete subjugation of 99% of the human race, people just accept it as "oh cool they cloned dinosaurs back to life! Just like my government funded and forced into cult popularity movies!"
It's so fucking depressing that people let this happen. And that they'll defend it tooth and nail not even realizing what the fuck's been done to them.

>>32977979
No we've seen complex traits and characteristics appear in bacteria in testing which is evolution, natural selection would just be them surviving

>>32977494
nice

>>32977517
where did its hands go

>>32977987
>complex traits and characteristics

>>32978023
Yes exactly that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ

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>>32977613
snarl? not based spike

T.Rex doesn't have feathers retards.

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>116 replies
>40 posters

>>32977244
>believe in evolution
1/10 bait