June Smogon Stats

>>32970058
>still 42%
Nice balancing smogon.

>14 Celesteela
That's my girl!

>>32970058
>Toxapex less used than fucking Pelipper
>/vp/ will still complain about stall
Also let's play "Where would it be if Brave Bird were here"

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>>32970058
>Ash-Greninja that high

how, why? isn't he supposed to be worse than protean and a shit tier jobber?

>>32970058
>Hoopa's not even in the top 50 anymore

Why

>>32970058
Made a team with the six most used mons, wish me luck guys.

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>42 percent

THE GENIE OF HEALTHY CENTRALIZATION

>>32970133
MOTTO MOTTO TSUYOKU

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>>32970066
>>32970623
>Meanwhile at the totally balanced where you can totally use your bros *********official meta********

>>32970058
The only thing gayer than a genie is someone who plays competitively.

>>32970640
I'd rather see an Arcanine than an ugly fucking genie.

>>32970648
>I-It's okay when Arcanine does it!
>And the Ultra Beasts and Garchomp do it too!

>>32970058
>>32970640
so both metas suck then

>>32970640
>people still try to compare Smogon stats to VGC stats
Maybe when Smogon has serious tournaments worth actual money, that will matter

>>32970640
You do realize that if Landorus T was allowed in VGC, he'd be enjoying that 74.82

>| 59 | Guzzlord | 3.06407% | 8238 | 3.603% | 6326 | 3.535% |
New regigigas

>>32970695
Regigigas at least has an excuse.

>>32970655
Yes, it's okay when they do it. If the genies weren't so fucking ugly, it'd be okay if they do it too.

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JUST

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>>32970736
WE DEM BOYZ

>>32970640
Competitive Milotic holding Adrenaline Orb can shut down Intimidate Arcanine, so long as there's a partner to take care of Koko (Lightningrod user comes to mind).

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>people complain about Landorus in OU
>when this is the state of Ubers

>>32970662

They do, actually. Tell us more about what you know about smogon tours

>>32970850
They give more attention to these than the actual fuckin' ladder, so if you want them to ban stuff like Magearna and Protean Greninja, then you need people to abuse them there more.

>>32970058
Holy fuck, Hawlucha was almost OU. Woulda made me shed a tear, all thanks to my team too

>>32970872
>implying the ladder is relevant

>>32970820
What this says is that Groundon, Yvetal and Xerneas need to go join MEGAFUG or they need to split Ubers into two tiers.

>>32970809
And anything with ice beam or hp ice shuts down Landorus-T. What's your point? You have to literally go out of your way to not have something that checks or outright counters Landorus while making any half-decent team.

>>32970820
>78.4 percent
How do we stop Primal Groudon?

...CAN we stop Primal Groudon?

>>32970736
That's gen6 anything goes. Here is gen7 anything goes.
http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-06/gen7anythinggoes-1630.txt
http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-06/gen7anythinggoes-1760.txt

>>32970887

There's no way you personally invented the rain+electric seed Hawlucha team

>>32970820
>>32970903

Repeat after me:

Ubers. Is. A. Banlist. First. And. A. Tier. Second.

>>32971063
Change Primordial Sea to block ground attacks instead of fire

>smeargle and hawlucha almost ou
what the fuck
why

>>32971109
sketch and flying is one of the best types

>>32971109
Smeargle was OU last month. It just dropped.

>>32970726
But Therian Landorus looks way better than chubby doggo.

>>32971109
See
>>32971072
For hawlucha

Smeargle because of the Sticky Webs offense team that people were spamming for 2 weeks straight and which is still probably the top 10 most used OU team

hold the fuck up
am I reading this wrong, or is mega pert OU now?

>Incineroar not in PU anymore

Where's that shitposter now?

>>32971146
It has to wait for the next tier update but since Rain is so good right now it will probably make it to OU easily.

>>32971063
No. He deserves it after being in Kyogre's shadow for so long.

>>32971146
That'd be correct. Rain is good. Pelipper is good.

>>32971152
Incineshit is still PU shit. Just because shitposters are trying to force Incineshit into NU, doesn't make it legit NU.

>>32971167
Mega Pert already dropped to UU last month.
It is OU by usage.

>>32971197
They need to collect three months worth of usage data before a tier shift can happen and make him officially OU. This is only the first month.

>>32971080
Why. Should. Ubers. Be. Just. A. Banlist?

Pokemon who are too good for OU but average in Ubers deserve a tier where they can shine as well and the only reason that Smogon is against dividing the tier is because it might "affect" the precious popularity of OU.

>>32971381

Because making a whole new tier for such a small batch of Pokemon is a waste.

>>32971414
It's not when you have a clear power scale. Plus a Lower Uber Tiers would actually serve as a place to keep people from fighting Pokemon getting banned from OU so hard

>>32971381
>Pokemon who are too good for OU but average in Ubers deserve a tier where they can shine as well
This isn't a big enough category to make an entire tier out of and would be a waste of time.

>http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-06/gen7ubers-1630.txt
Let's pretend that Ubers has a 3.4% cutoff.
The only things that would even be in UUbers is the shitty Arceus formes, the shitty Deoxys formes, Reshiram, Zekrom, Palkia, base Kyogre, base Blaziken, and Lando-I
Not exactly a hill worth dying for.

>>32971192
What exactly is Incineroar's niche? Best Owl has the SD + Z Arrow set and Primarina has that bonkers Specs set, so...

>>32970066
>Primal Groudon
>74%

>>32971596
Its niche is being outclassed by literally everything that has and will ever exist, with or without Intimidate (shut the fuck up about Intimidate you fucking baratards, it won't change jackshit).

>>32971615
Here are some mons that have more usage than P-Groudon in relatively alive metas.
>gen1ou-1760
>Tauros 95%
>gen2ou-1760
>Snorlax 86%
>vgc2017-1760
>Arcanine 80%
>gen7-anything goes-1760
>Arceus 164%

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>>32971889
>Arceus 164%

>>32970058
>those Zygarde numbers
I'm proud

>>32970726
Just stop already you degenerate

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>>32970655
These King Lando haters are so pathetic.

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Reminder that Landorus-Therian is beautiful.

>>32970133
That's a retarded meme that should have ended by now.

>>32970498

Defensive Lando and a shitload of new U-Turners like Tapu Koko, and Greninja, which didn't commonly run the move before Gen VII. Plus it has a hard time against all the latest Megas (Swampert, Lopunny, Medicham, SD Mawile, and Manectric to some extent with Volt Switch chip damage.

>>32970902

It's the objective measure of skill on the site, not tournament-winning. I can't count how many times I've come across these alleged ebin tourney heroes on the ladder and rekt them.

>| 59 | Guzzlord | 3.06407% | 8238 | 3.603% | 6326 | 3.535% |
>3.06%
F

>>32971381
>Pokemon who are too good for OU but average in Ubers deserve a tier where they can shine as well
No they don't.

>>32971072
Different anon here, but why not?

I personally made two sets popular in Gen VI OU. But neither one had that much longevity. Currently one set is B rank viability and the other isn't ranked anymore.

>>32970066
>>32970623
>It's another episode of "/vp/ thinks being common and good means you're impossible to counter and centralize the meta"

>>32971109
Webs and Electric Seed.

>>32971451
Like >>32971472 said, there's just not enough mons. Maybe next gen.

>>32970640
>Arcananine being trash for decades
>Autism Genie being cancerous since its inception

It's ok, Smogoncucks can only play aggro anyway and get insta cucked by anyone with a stall team and some brain

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Worst tapu they said

>>32975971
She is.

>>32976210
>she

>>32971667

>Fake Out + U-turn + Intimidate (one of the best abilities in the game) won't change anything

Nice bait owlfag

Sorry owlfag, but as soon as Intimidate is released, your precious owl will be the worst of the three

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>>32976300
>Weak to sneaky pebbles
>U-turn

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>>32971152
>>32971192
>>32971596
>>32971667
>>32976300
>>32976311

Reminder that Incineroar is the king of his tier.

>>32975736
U wot
Arcanine's been decent since gen 1
It's always been a solid UU poke

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>>32971152
PU doesn't even exist yet

>>32970820
How Yveltal that high? Is Dark Aura boosted Knock Off that strong?

>>32976408
Strongest priority in the game.

>>32976408
Really solid answer to groudon with it's retard strong dark pulse and immunity to ground.

>>32976408
>innately bulky as fuck
>STAB flying recovery move
>dark aura sucker punch

gee boss I dunno

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>>32976300
>p-protean is one of the best abilities in the game
>i-it'll be good once it gets Protean

>>32971596
RU or lower Arcanine (when Intimidate gets release of course)

>>32976219
>has

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>>32976341
But in the tier I'm in, your considered a peasant.

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>>32977072
Yeah, but that's true for Decidueye as well.

>>32977005
Hey man Protean Kecleon is fun to use don't bring him into this

>>32970133

Because almost nothing in the tier can take two neutral specs attack from this fucking frog. It has the best coverage in the entire tier.


And to give people some perspective on this piece of shit that should be banned; with Choice Specs, it has a higher special attack stat than Medichan's attack stat which was the highest unboosted offensive stat in the tier - it reaches almost 700 special attack (667.5). And this is all without mentioning the fact that it has the strongest priority move in the game.

>>32977132
1. Mega Medicham is not the highest unboosted attack stat in the tier, that would be Mega Mawile.
2. Specs Ash Greninja hits 607 Special Attack, not even close to 700.

>>32970058
>Tangrowth in the Top 10
People will still say that grass types are irredeemably awful.

>>32977381
I legit ask, what happened with Tangrowth this gen?

>>32977381
>>32977413
EVERY FUCKING TIME

>>32971080
So why was Mega Ray banned from the banlist?

>>32970820
primals were a mistake

>>32970726
I like your thinking. Lando users are utilitarian scum. No one could form emotional bonds with such an abomination.

>>32977413
>this gen

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>>32977636
Delete this

>>32977413
it has a typing which resists zygarde, meme frog, and tapu kek.

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>>32977636
I'm a Karenfag. But, guess who my favorite is.

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>>32977679
>tfw won a game with Lando using Fly

>>32977086
Fucking wrong retard. Decidueye is feared in UU.

>>32976210
Autistic fan rankings don't count, you know.

>>32970058
The offensive Landorus Z sets made that mon complete bullshit. I'm done defending it.
Thousand Arrows is fucking bullshit too, especially banded.
Magearna needs to go. You know this shit is busted when it can 1v1 GARCHOMP.
Both Greninjas needs to go.

>>32977530
Because it deserves its own distinction as the single most powerful Pokemon in the game, bar none.

>>32977873
Because it was broken as shit

>>32977873
Still beaten by a single type of Arceus in its own tier.

>>32977900
>in its own tier
meaningless. A lot of banned mons will get slapped up by the tier above.
>single type
>when you have to run 4

Meanwhile, the Pokemon Smogon wants to test is Dugtrio, again.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/stall-in-sm-ou.3593151/page-2#post-7413222

>>32977961
WTF I CAN'T BELIEVE SMOGON IS STILL TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR PRECIOUS STALL BY BANNING DUGTRIO

>>32977961
That's just a discussion piece. There's a good chance that Arena Trap will get suspected again at some point, but something else will be first.

>>32977961
>In standard OU, you need to prep for many team styles. Sticky Web teams, rain teams, Magearna, etc
>Magearna considered a threat on par with entire teams and playstyles
>people will still argue that it isn't ridiculously broken

>>32977944
Banned mons get slapped up by the tier above because it has to compete with more mons, but the only new mon above Uber is M-ray itself.
Also, by beaten I meant usage. A single type of Arceus, normal, was used more than M-ray.

REMOVE GENIE remove genie
you are worst therian. you are the therian idiot you are the therian smell. return to unova.

>>32977961
i hope they ban it this time.

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>>32977846
lmao eat shit garcuck
how does that zygarde cock taste like?

>>32977986
Yeah it's too bad I couldn't run multiple E-killers in Ubers to stop it.

>Kingdra hovers between OU and BL3 depending on how many rain teams are used in the month
Staraptor has it easy.

>>32977961
Suspecting Arena Trap is the way to go and what they should have done in the first place.
Also it should happen before an eventual Greninja Bros suspect, because otherwise Stall would get a major buff

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>>32978037
>mrw staraptor has been BL for 4 generations

>>32977961
Good.

>>32977961
Watch some badgefag write a sappy novel no one will read (but still pretend they did) and save stallmoles of healthy meta once again

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>>32977783
>feared in UU
>C+ in Viability Rankings

I like Decidueye and all, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

>>32977961
Leave Dugtrio alone holy shit
Landorus is immune to Arena Trap

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>42%
>ban baton pass
>allow this

lel sm*gon

>>32977961
They're probably going to suspect test Arena Trap (not Dugtrio, people actually used Diglett stall during that test and it worked the absolute madmen) but not before getting rid of other things like Greninja. Good thing too, Dugtrio is cancer on a lot of things, including but not limited to stall.

>>32979290
>Decidueye is my favorite grass type by a mile
>can't use it competitively because shitters keep pushing it in a tier it doesn't belong to
I thought being the lowest ranking mon in UU would give them a hint, but nah, I'm never going to use it in RU this gen huh?

>>32978049
Greninja bros hurt balance and offense much more than it hurts stall.

>this one low ladder shitter venting on every /vp/ thread about how much he hates Landorus and that it's too good

Hey man. Here's a tip: Ice Beam

>>32979341
:^)

>>32979330
It's actually pretty close to dropping. It's at 3.6% this month, but you're right, a lot of shitters are using it. I think Weavile was recently unbanned, so that might be enough bring it down enough to RU.

>>32979405
Weavile was unbanned for a re-suspect at the end of June, that's why it has very low usage, but it's still BL for now, not sure what actually happened with the suspect though.