Best Starter prove me wrong

>>32961724
Shit design.
Shit fanbase.
Shit viability.
Shit popularity.
Shit typing.
Shit movepool.
Shit stats.
Shit everything.

Here's your objective proofs, and none of them are wrong.

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>>32961724
I can't.

>>32961724
I can't, it's subjective

Inb4 Phoxfags come in here to shitpost

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>>32961724
Ok

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>>32961759
I like both of them

I can't but you can't prove yourself correct, either

you unchivalrous knave

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>>32961733

>shit design
LOL. What? That's an objective truth? Get fucked anon. We all know you're full of shit.

>>32961781
I don't like Chesnaught all that much, but I'd take it over Feraligatr.

>>32961812
t. Shit taste.

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>>32961745
Why is he such a big fluffy friend?

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>>32961724
>prove me wrong

Yeah, I exist

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>>32961830
because friends are nice

>>32961824

>no u xD

Feraligatr is boring as fuck. It's not aesthetically displeasing, and it would be fine if it was a normal random encounter. But you only get 3 starters per generation, they are supposed to be special, memorable and interesting. Feraligatr is none of the above.
The shield-arm gimmick Chesnaught has alone makes it better than Gatr, imo.

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>>32961830
I was thinking about which version of that art to post but I think it's cuter with a bit of reluctance.

>>32961724
Can't.

Not when the other two starters are such horse shit.

>>32961855
There is so much wrong with this post.

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>>32961724
It's not Typhlosion

>>32961871
too bad the IP count of the thread didn't increase with your reply

sucks you have to falseflag this much just to create the false image of popularity

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>>32961879
Wow anon, you really put a lot of effort in this one.

>>32961912
Except for the fact that, you know, I'm not the OP.

I just think that Delphox is pure furbait and Greninja is over-hyped.

>>32961871
I agree, Kalos was the only region I played where I boxed my starter and transferred over a different one.

>>32961845
It wasn't for the Ground typing, Swampert probably would've been the most underwhelming evolution ever.

>>32961931
Nope, everything you said was wrong. There isn't much left to say.

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>>32961936
You're wrong, faggot

>>32961948
I guess you don't have much to say about Gatr to defend it, it's THAT uninteresting lol

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>>32962019
>gets sheer force
>better in competitive
>not overdesigned
>not the most unused starter of its generation
>doesn't have a 4x weakness

Oh yeah, and chesnaught has one of the worst evolution lines I've ever seen. Look at this ugly pice of shit.

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>>32961855
>Feraligatr is boring as fuck
He's what he's supposed to be, a big menacing crocodile
>But you only get 3 starters per generation, they are supposed to be special, memorable and interesting
Every starters nowadays are special, we have ninjas, witches, sirene, luchador or snipers and having some starters who are just the big animal they're supposed to be is something memorable and interesting and it makes him special

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It may not be best starter, but Chesnaught will always be in my heart as the big fictional fuzzy creature clad in armor that I want to hug and have by my side to protect me.

>>32962086
>He's what he's supposed to be, a big menacing crocodile
I just think any Pokemon could be what Feraligatr is and starters can and SHOULD try to be something more.
This is true for all three of the Gen 2 starters.

>>32962076
What you say is strictly related to these two. I could use your exact same arguments to "prove" that half of the starters are better than Feraligatr.

>>32962110
>I just think any Pokemon could be what Feraligatr is and starters can and SHOULD try to be something more.
I understand and of course it comes to the taste of each of liking the lack of that something more or to dislike it

>>32962110
>moving the goal post

Yes it is between these two because that's what we are talking about idiot.

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>>32962076
>gets speed boost
>better in competitive
>not overdesigned
>not the most unused starter of its generation
>doesn't have a 4x weakness
Why didn't you use Blaziken, Anon?

>>32962086

That's the thing (not the anon you're replying to anyway), as starters get more "special" and "unique", people get their expectations higher than usual and no longer consider the very same starters that kick-started this very same franchise all that special.

I don't know, I don't really mind special themed starters, but at the same time, it gives a lot of new players or people who got used to starters like these "excuses" to trash the older designs. It kinda pisses me off. I don't exactly fancy the idea of nostalgia fans dissing the newer designs either, but that might also be because of fear of trying to adjust themselves to more humanoid/themed starters when they just might prefer monster designs that look more like animals/creatures.

>>32962130
It just comes off as very weak defense, especially when mostly wrong.
Feraligatr is actually worse in competitive and one tier lower than Chesnaught.
Feraligatr also has more pointless features to its design than Chesnaught despite all of them not going anywhere.
Chesnaught also doesn't just get bigger, and you can't say Gatr isn't a much lazier evolution than Ches.

Feraligatr and Chesnaught are two of my favorite starters ever. Can't we get along? At least they're both better than Typhlosion

>>32962160
Feraligatr is RU just like Chesnaught.

>>32962160
Are you retarded?

>>32962166
I love Feraligatr and don't dislike Chesnaught but holy fuck I wish Chesnaught had a better level-up movepool. Using it in XY was painful.

>>32962150
I started with it but reset when torchic evolved. In game is easy enough where you can pick any starter in any gen and do just fine, so
>gets speed boost
>better in competitive
>doesn't have a 4x weakness
are irrelevant, because none of that applies in game. I went back and picked up a treecko. Was it harder? Definitely. Is sceptile the worst of the three? Easily. But I like how it looks, and that's all that matters in game.

>>32962166
Typhlosion is leagues above Feraligatr you little shit

>>32962194
That post was just mocking the one it replied to. If the points are irrelevant for Blaziken, they're irrelevant for Feraligatr.

>>32962173
Oh you are right, but they are ranked roughly the same in both tiers. I wouldn't call one much better than the other.

>>32962198
kek, maybe for furries

I like Shiny Chesnaught but I don't like its regular color scheme.

>>32962207
Why would you compare them anyway? Chesnaught is a wall and Feraligatr is a sweeper/wallbreaker, yeah? They do different things. That's like comparing Chansey to Greninja.

>>32962198
I actually like Gatr and typhlosion pretty much equally, but Gatr moreover for the design.

>>32962218
I didn't compare them in that sense, I was only talking about design.
This anon brought up competitive aspects to "defend" Feraligatr >>32962076

>>32962011
>Literally Mudkip but uglier
Ground STAB is it's only saving grace.

>>32962226
Oh. I don't care about design comparisons, nobody ever agrees about that garbage.

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>>32962222
quads confirm, both are bros but ultimately gatr > typhlosion
megas when?

Some people says that starterwars between the recent starters are the worst but this thread is painful, no starters deserve retards fighting over it

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Tried to find nice images of Feraligatr and Chesnaught together, but couldn't. Here's a Blastoise instead.

>>32962263
For (You)

We all knew what this thread would turn into

>>32962263
It's just banter, friend.

>>32961733
>shit design
Subjective

>Shit fanbase
Chesnaughtbros are a reserved, quiet bunch on /vp/

>Shit viability
Its not NU at least

>Shit typing
Because everything with a quad weakness is shit, right?

>shit movepool
Drain punch, seed bomb, thunder punch, wood hammer, dragon claw, stone edge, earthquake and body slam are just SOME of the moves Chesnaught can learn. In fact, Chesnaught has the biggest physical movepool of ALL grass starters

>shit stats
Objectively false. It has very well rounded stats across the board except for speed with his first five stats clocking in at 88/107/122/74/75, and that mediocre special defense is easily rectifed by an assault vest, which goes well with drain punch.

>>32962263
Amusingly, it was Chesnaughtfags who started the entire starter wars thing since the very beginning.

>>32961724
>Pidgey used Peck!

>>32962297
Haha, these phoxfags are truly pathetic.

>>32962297
Wasn't here for the XY leak period, redpill me. From what I've heard it was Chespinfags that caused the wars and most of them hated Chesnaught, so it doesn't make much sense for Chesnaughtfags to be the instigators.

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>>32962275
I only have pictures of the unevolved forms together.

>>32962297
>Gen 6
>very beginning

L I T E R A L L Y M Y G R A N D P A

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>>32962410
I want to pet your grandpa and give him treats.

>>32962275
>turtle
>glyptodon
What shelled animal are we going to get as a fire starter someday? They need to finish some unofficial trios, like we STILL don't have a fire/ground starter, or a water/dragon mega starter (gatr seems like the best candidate), or a grass/dark starter, etc.

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>>32961724

>>32961724
It's the least shit starter out of Gen 6, and I actually like it. Delphox and ESPECIALLY Greninja can get fucked

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>>32962472
pls no

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>>32961781
THIS

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I like Chespin more.

I really dislike Gen 6 but I wanted to do a full playthrough with a proper team of 6 and I begrudgingly chose Chesnaught because I found Chespin cute, honestly I found it just meh. It had it's moments and it's the one I like the most out of Kalos, but I don't really like these starters

>>32961724
Chesnaught looks like a Sonic OC

>>32961724
Shitnaught is the worst starter by a long shot.
>retarded looking face
>retarded color scheme
>looks like it's wearing onesies
>doesn't look like a chesnaught nor a juggernaut nor a knight nor a hedgehog nor anything really
>can't stand properly so it moves like a retard
>body hair looks reatarded
>doesn't look like a grass type at all
>shields come out of fucking nowhere
>carrots for fingers
>not even good in battle
>shitnaughtists keep pushing it even though everybody else agrees it's trash

>>32962894
Same; Chespin was the reason I didn't evolve in Super Mystery Dungeon even though I did it in every other game.

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>>32963196
>evolving in pmd to begin with

Hardly does anything anyways, there's no real disadvantage to not evolving it. Chesnaught's alright, but Chespin's just too cute.

>>32963300
I understand the mechanics involved but I evolved in previous games mostly for the feeling of progression.

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>>32963318
I only did it in my first playthrough of Red and Time. It's around that time I found out I like the base forms more in general.

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>>32961724
Assuming you aren't a massive faggot and talking about it competitively, you're wrong.

See, besides the competitive side, there is no real way to judge that thing objectively, as there is not a single truth there, and if there isn't a truth, you can't observe that truth without involving your feelings and opinions. Thus, you can't be objective here.

Now, this is not the first time humanity has faced such a situation. People have always wanted to decide what is good art and what isn't, so it will be easier to find that good art. So that they don't have to waste their limited time on earth seeing bad art, just hoping to find something they like. They wanted a way to simply label some art "good" and other "bad".

How they went about it? Simple. They let the majority decide. If enough people thought something looked good, they would consider that good. They would analyze what made that thing good, and use those things as the standards for an art to be good. Came in people like Picaso, who applied almost none of the standard "good" things in their art, yet people still liked his art. Because the majority liked it, because enough people liked it, it became "good" art, despite being unlike any other.

You can see the point I'm trying to make, can't you? In the end, what you individually think is unimportant. The majority liked Greninja. Therefore, it is the "best". Not Chesnaught. There is no basis to your statement that Chesnaught is the best. That is a random statement. Greninja being the best, however, do have a basis. People. They like it. More than anything else, except maybe Zard and Pikachu. Thus, Greninja is the best.

>>32963567
>except maybe Zard
>Thus, Greninja is the best
hold on

>>32963567
Mmm fresh pasta

>>32963567
Having a wider appeal =/= being the best, though.
Call of Duty sells/used to sell incredible amounts but a lot of people will agree that it's definitely not the "best" videogame.

>>32963592
That is an uncertainty. I just recognized it.
Greninja came first in the Japanese poll and remained extremely popular. But I've heard claims that Greninja isn't as popular as it used to be, and that Zard would be more popular at this very moment, having a heroic role in the movie, becoming a ridemon and beating Greninja. I've also heard that Greninja wasn't as popular as Zard outside of Japan, as the rest of the world doesn't watch the anime as much. But there is no data. So, in the end, I opted out to recognizing that there's a CHANCE Zard MIGHT be more popular, but right now, I'm inclined to not believe that.

>>32961724
Clearly not the best but I like quite a lot

>>32963634
Yes, well, that's only the case if the millions of people that buy CoD games also claim it isn't the best. Those people would recognize that they're playing it, but it's not the best thing they've played. Similarly, a lot of people might end up using Meganium. Those people would recognize they're using it, but it's not the best thing they've used.

But if we held a poll to decide the best or the most loved game series, and by some miracle, CoD came in the first place, CoD games would be considered the best. Because that's what the people decided. They didn't just play them, they loved them the most. Similarly, if we held a poll to decide the best or the most loved Pokemon, and Greninja came in the first place, like it did, we would consider it the best. Because that's what the people decided.

>>32963703
Honestly, the poll is iffy for a lot of reasons. The idea that the winner would receive a giveaway and the fact that some voted for whatever was on the first page of voting instead of their actual favourites are the two important ones though. I'm not gonna make some stupid claim that Greninja isn't popular, but to say that it is on the basis of that poll is silly.

>>32963703
Do you think Greninja would still take the first spot, though? You have to consider that time was the peak of its hype, and the main target of the poll were anime fans, of which Greninja was the star.

It's a popular 'mon, the most popular in Kalos for sure, but it's still way too soon declare it the most popular or even one of the most popular. It could be one of the Pokemon that gained popularity faster than anything else, though.

>>32963750
>but to say that it is on the basis of that poll
meant to say that it is the best

>>32963755
Honestly, I wouldn't be able to call it the most popular confidently. I mean, I didn't. I recognized that in 2 previous posts. Greninja was extremely popular during the time it got Ash-Greninja form and became a really strong main character of the anime. That time has passed. It isn't the strong main character of the anime, and even its ultimate form was defeated. That has, without a shred of doubt, made it far less popular.

Still, no poll has taken place since then, so I have no other data I can turn to. I can also base my argument on that, or just assume that Zard/Pikachu are still the most popular things. Which might be more accurate, but I have nothing backing that up.

>>32963750
Well, yeah, sure, that poll wasn't the perfect one we could have. But despite the fact that a large number of people chose to NOT vote Greninja because they wanted some other Poekmon disturbed, Greninja still won. That's a fact.

Yes, the result might've been different if people had vote their favorites instead of mythicals. Maybe most Pikachu/Zardfags wanted a Mew, so they didn't vote their favorite. But in the same vein, it's also possible a large number of Greninjafags also vote Mew. That is guesswork, which is far more unreliable than the poll. While the poll wasn't the most reliable thing, it is the best we have to base our judgement on.

>>32963636
That's not true. Greninja is one of the best selling amibo in latin america, a region where XYZ subbed was a huge huge hit with the fans. Actually there is a well known youtuber who does raps dedicated to popular characters in spanish. Out of all the pokemon characters, Greninja's rap is the most watched with over 6 million views. I'm sure it is hugely popular in other territories as well.

>>32963567
>Most people seem to agree that the world is flat, so we can conclude that it is indeed flat!

t. A 400 a.d Idiot

>>32961890
This

>>32961845
Based 'pert

>>32961733
>>32962076
>>32962173
>>32962472
>>32962488
>>32963183
>>32963567

Why the shit talking about Chesnaught?!

My Chesnaught can take down Brelooms and Protean Greninjas for days and can stall Landorus-T if I choose to.

>>32962292
This guy gets it.

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>>32965307
I enjoyed the inclusion of one of the cute Chesnaught posts. Have some more as reward for the bait.

I'm honestly surprised at how little art Chesnaught gets. It's by no means the best starter ever, but I didn't expect him to become one of the least supported.

Chesnaught is the ugliest starter pokemon desu senpai

>>32965368
Emboar is worse, do not lie to yourself

>>32965345
>It's bait because I don't believe what Anon said and will continue to shitpost without proper explanation.

Nice try.

>>32965419
Emboars design was actually decent, unlike Chesnaught.

>>32965362
Chesnaught is ugly and hard to draw, I don't blame artists for ignoring it

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Chesnaught gets more hate than it deserves

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>>32965988
Wow, one whole hate?

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>>32962222
>>32962259
Well Meganium is better than both so it's not like your opinions matter anyways.

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>>32961724
Well Meganium exists. There! Proven wrong!

>>32962467
>grass/dark
>all those weaknesses

No thanks.

>>32962320
Chespin got the most shit on reveal so its fans got obnoxious in retaliation, Froakie ones always kept a smug aura similar to Snivy fans which was inflammatory as well, Fennekin was probably the most popular but discussion was mostly just "please don't be Fire/Fighting". Middle stages Fennekin fans were glad they seemed to be avoiding Fire/Fighting, most Chespinfags abandoned it, Froakie fans stayed the same. Final stages some Froakie fans or possibly just inflammatory starter war shitposters period got really smug when Greninja was the de facto best in battle though there was some crying over the bubbles, though generally they stayed respectful, Delphox discussion was all "muh football head", barafags tried to latch onto Chesnaught and push it as their Lopunny or some shit and were cancerously annoying for several months and then most of them dropped it when it didn't work out.

>>32966085
Not even close, meganium is the worst out of the trio.

>>32966802
t. barafag.

>>32966809
Good one? Is that your go to response for anyone that doesn't like your shitty starter?

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>>32966330
Oh yeah? Can Meganium do... this?!

>>32964758
This anon did not read the post he replied to. See? This is an example of an observable truth. "Objectivity". You can observe and understand the truth without involving the opinion. This anon doesn't understand the difference between art and observable truth, so he is confusing both of them. The post he replied to tried to explain the difference, and was explicitly talking about art. We can make the observation that he doesn't understand that, and from that we can objectively conclude he either didn't read, didn't remember, or at least didn't understand the post he replied to.

But when you're talking about art, when you are talking about what is "good" and what is "bad", you cannot make such observations. "Good" and "bad" are values decided and forced by humans, there is NOTHING that is objectively good or objectively bad in the true meaning of the word. However, that doesn't stop humans. In "good" and "bad", majority decided. People made the concept of good and bad, and they decide what is good and what is bad.

And this isn't just about art. It applies to everything good and bad. You live in a society where everything good or bad is decided by people. YOU yourself apply those values. For example, murder. Is it, objectively, a good thing or a bad thing? Well, it feels painful for everyone involved, including the murder at times. But is feeling painful a bad thing, objectively? Again, it isn't. Objectively, it is a thing, it isn't good or bad. The good and bad are concepts made by people, for people. And if more people believe something to be good, it is good.

tl;dr basic shit you should know is that good and bad are decided by people. If people think something is good or better the rest, it is good or better than the rest.

Underrated

>>32966718
>Froakie ones always kept a smug aura similar to Snivy fans which was inflammatory as well
>Final stages some Froakie fans or possibly just inflammatory starter war shitposters period got really smug when Greninja was the de facto best in battle
Congratulations, you made shit up.

Froakiebros are objectively the most chill of the fanbases, and Greninjabros are definitely one of the least cancerous fanbases of all time. Here's the actual redpill.

>>32961733
>It's not a good pokemon because of its fanbase

This insecurity

>>32967645
Just saying what I remember from 2013.

>>32961890
That's a non-anthro sergal.

>>32966460
It will be a fast frail bamboo rat.

>>32967464
Not the anon you replied to but holy shit dude you take stupid shit like this way too seriously. Your autism is astonishing.

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>>32967645
They're still cancerous, although that is to be expected of anything with that sort of popularity. Though can kinda respect them for having their Cancer/Non Cancer ratio close to a 20/80 compared to near 50/50 for a couple of other popular pokemon.