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>>32953545
uck you Marshadow

>>32953545
Did it die?

>>32953545
Root in Ubers you fucking shilled piece of shit

>>32953545
What happened?

>>32953593
It finally got banned to Ubers where it belongs

>>32953545
So close to the sun It burned

>>32953560
>>32953593
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/marshadow-is-now-banned-from-ou.3608448/

B-but /vp/ told me they would drag holding a suspect for weeks and then not even ban it because "the meta adapted :^)".

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>>32953545
good riddance

>>32953770
>trusting /vp/ on anything related to competitive ever

>>32953545
>powerful stallbreaker that threatens their precious stall
>immediately banned
yep couldn't have expected anything else

>>32953545
;-;

>>32953845
Marshadow was used on stall

>>32953845
speaking of ghost stallbreakers, im still holding out for a ghost type with magic bounce

>>32953770
This is the same board that contains retards who honestly thought Lunala and Zygarde-Complete would be D-Rank OU.

>>32953868
mega sableye?

>>32953872
Yep, Lunala for muh 4x weaknesses and Solgaleo for supposedly being a shittier Megagross

>>32953886
Oops. One that isnt a mega then

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Have fun ya shit

>>32953907
>Solgaleo for supposedly being a shittier Megagross
This is correct though.

Solgaleo is literally just a shittier Megagross, and Megagross is used more in Ubers.

It also killed Ash and forced Pikachu to talk, no shitting.

>>32953545
saw it coming

it's arguably better than darkrai

>>32953845
It threatened literally everything and was even used on stall.

>>32953922
>Has better stats
>Wider movepool
>Recovery
>Can use items
>Doesn't take up a Mega slot
Dumbass

>>32953922
>Solgaleo B-
>Megagross C+

Ehhhh

Not very surprising I gotta say.

It didn't even stay long enough to get weirdo checks like Greninja did in ORAS

Time for M-Lop to HJK everything again

>>32953845
It's not even a stallbreaker.

So many retards on /vp/

lol i thought op was paying respects because Bui finally killed a Marshadow thread that survived two raids

>>32954142
>new pokemon gets in meta
>finally something that will change the face of the meta and force people to adapt
>everyone use it, just because it's new, but not necessarily because it's broken
>gets banned before letting people adapt and keep the "healthy" meta the same as it has been for months

Thank you, smogon.

>>32954142
>i son't know what scrappy does

>>32954246
>everyone use it, just because it's new, but not necessarily because it's broken
It is broken though.
People have been theorymonning for months, been calcing his bullshit for months and there's absolutely zero counters in the tier.
He's easier to stick in any team than Greninja and is unbelievably hard to take down without taking a lot of damage.

>>32954312
>zero counter
Any normal/fairy mon or normal/flying mon that can setup.
smogonbird

>>32954364
>Another fucking /vp/ doesn't know what a counter is episode.

>>32954364
>Wigglytuff with work up
>mega audino that takes a mega slot and gets 1hkod after sr
>farfetchd with swords dance and agility
>gale wings after nerf ever

you cracked the case sherlock

>>32954312
thankfully it will have counters in ubers

>>32954395
>Farfetch'd used Swords Dance!
>Farfetch'd used Quick Attack!

>>32954364
Like there are any viable normal/fairy or normal/flying mons in the meta, fucking retard.

Also, spectral thief steals stat boosts. So set up is not an option.

>>32954431
Spectral Thief doesn't hit normies.

>>32954431
Spectral thief doesn't hit normal types. So setup is an option.

>>32954460
>>32954468

man it'd sure suck if it got a 120bp fighting type attack huh haha

>>32954480
Yeah sure you're right about that but Spectral Thief still doesn't hit normies.

>>32954480
It would suck if there was a 126 base speed mon that could switch in and use a 120 bp flying move huh haha.

>>32954513
>Marshadow used Shadow Sneak!

>>32954517
>28.2 - 33.6%

>>32953922
Solgaleo | 6.29273%
Metagross-Mega | 3.66831%

?

>>32954494
That doesn't invalidate the fact that it has close combat. You still have a problem.

>>32954513
Talonflame is garbage now due to the nerf of gale wings. Advocating for a bad pokemon to counter a specific pokemon does not solve the problem of said powerful pokemon, because that goes into overcentralization.

Still waiting for that physically tanky Normal/Ghost with 126 base speed and Regenerator

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:^)

>>32954513
and it's name shall be Paranormal

>Smug Lion is dead they said
>Marshadow is the new meta
lmaoing at ur backpedals.

>>32954513
>252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 247-292 (83.1 - 98.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 164-194 (55.2 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>252 Atk Life Orb Technician Marshadow Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 165-195 (55.5 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 411-484 (138.3 - 162.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>+1 252 Atk Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 285-336 (95.9 - 113.1%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

>252 Atk Gale Wings Talonflame Brave Bird vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Marshadow: 230-272 (71.6 - 84.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>252 Atk Choice Band Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 285-336 (95.9 - 113.1%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

>252 Atk Choice Band Marshadow Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 189-223 (63.6 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

The only set Tflame can beat is scarf and that is only if he is locked into Close Combat.

>>32954613
Said no one ever.

Anyone who actually played on the ladder the past few days instead of shitposting on /vp/ knew it would get banned

I was hoping for it to go on a little longer so an optimized set could be made to break OU.

>>32954614
Oh and for the record if for some fuckall reason Talonflame ever made a comeback just to check Marshadow he also learns Stone Edge. Marshadow is basically gen5 Terrakion multiplied by 2 it pretty much has a kill button at his beckoning no matter what.

>>32954635
Every set was an optimized set.

I like how people think OU is the "normal" tier and anything that gets banned from OU is automatically dead. LOL.

>>32954673
It gets Rock Tomb, doesn't need Stone Edge.

>>32954693
What? Stone edge is better.

>>32954693
Oh that's even better.

>>32954682
It's been that way since Gen 4.

>>32954702
Getting killed by rock Tomb damages the enemy psyche much more

>>32954702
Technician, more accuracy, better secondary effect. You lose like 10 bp but you nail the stuff you absolutely would want to nail with a rock move anyways.

>>32954682
Only people who don't play competitive would think that.

>>32954702
252 Atk Technician Marshadow Rock Tomb vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 508-600 (171 - 202%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Marshadow Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 564-664 (189.8 - 223.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

It's a bit inconsequential thanks to Technician, really. Only really better against Zapdos and maybe Mantine.

>>32953545
i want to fuck that 10k polygonal ass

>>32954613
Really? I heard people insisting Marshadow would be UU because Technician somehow makes it shit.

>>32954752
/vp/ doesn't know anything about competitive.

>>32954674
When you get to that level of variety as a mon like Marshadow has, there is bound to be some unforeseen set that breaks everything. It took a while to find Talonflame's Bulk Up+Wisp defensive set, for example, during the height of Bravest Bird. Or the perfect overage for Rock Polish Lando-I. Or the sub-toxic set on Smogon Sword. Or Normalium Z Pheromosa. Or how we are currently digging deep to try to break Lando-T. It is a shame Marshadow will get quick banned every gen from now on and we'll never find out.

>>32954752
Stop listening to every shitposter

>>32954752
They were shitposting on purpose.

>>32953770
Nah, /vp/ said they would ban it immediately because smogonlion can't just switch in.
Seems like we were right.

>>32954682
This guy is, though.

>>32954752
>How to detect underage fags; they take shitposting seriously

That's why every kid here and their moms spout the "Le xy oras sm shit meme lole xd"

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>>32954752
>>32954784
Those were shitposts you dip.

>>32954773
My friend and me don't follow smogon rules, but we also don't do EV training and allow "weaker" mons to have perfect IVs. Best ruleset.

>>32954875
there are better ways to enjoy summer vacation friendo :^)

>>32954875
Don't @me ever again

>>32954875
>and allow "weaker" mons to have perfect IVs
choke on a proud of it's power lucario you summerfag

>>32954841
>>32954843
>"Technician somehow makes it shit"
>"somehow"
I dont think >>32954752 actually believed the shitposters

>>32954875
Is this bait?

Scarf modest Lele Just Saying people

>>32954964
Can't switch into it and loses to Scarf Marshadow.

>>32954964
How's it gonna switch into Spectral Thief?

>>32954875
Just though I'd add my 2 cents since everyone is chiming in. I don't like to play ou pokes even against ou. Partly is favoritism, having played since the first games, but its also for the challenge.
It's so rewarding to outpredict people so used to ou they don't even know what moves to expect, let alone using the same predictable tactics over and over.
I definitely do not win all the time, more than half the time though people will ragequit once their ou behemoths start getting taken down or crippled by BU, UU or even NU pokes.

>>32955008
Outpredict or just sack something sadly

>>32954425
>quick attack
>Ghost type
A-anon...

/vp/ thought Marshadow would be the new King of OU.
But because Marshadow threatened stall and Landorus-T, it was insta-banned.
Don't expect Magearna to remain in OU for long either.

>>32955212
Can this statement be any more vapid?

>>32955212
>smogon loves stall xD
let this meme end

>>32955212
marshadow shits on the entire tier of course it was getting fucking banned

>>32954431
I was actually seeing a lot of Scarf Staraptor before it got banned. Just saying.

>>32955301
It's not a meme if it's facts.

Does Spectral Thief steal stats of normal-types?

>>32955274
Can this statement be any more vapid?

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>>32955333
>Marshadow was banned to keep Staraptor in BL hell

>>32955212
>Kills literally everything in the entire tier
>Nothing outspeeds it
>Nothing resists its stabs
>Literally no guaranteed counterplay exists no matter what team type you're playing

This has nothing to do with stall lol

>>32955418

Thanks for the single (you) on my digits, friend.
So how much total ELO did you guys cheese for the couple days it was legal? I got a little busy for the 4th of July (real, freaky busy) but still managed to get about 70 ELO points with the little bitch.

>>32955368
Then where are the facts?

>>32954773
>we are currently digging deep to try to break Lando-T
Wasn't the double dance + Supersonic Skystrike set supposed to be the end-all uncounterable Lando set?

holy shit that was fast, he didn't even have time to shine... he was not even officially released yet

He killed ash

>>32955448
Made an alt and got 500 with webs.

>>32954773
That's the Z set they mentioned in the post. As easy to boost as Phero was and just as impossible to switch into.

>>32955397
No, and if that guy with Z-conversion Zygod in BH sees this you can go fuck yourself.

Been away a few days, why is marshadow legal now? Was ut distributed?

>>32955064
>BU
you're a Big User too

>>32954210
But it is. Stall can't do much to Marshadow. It's just that unlike hyper offense, it actually has a fighting chance.

>>32955064
>inb4 "lel karenfag"

>>32954210
by being an everything breaker it kind of is.

>>32954875
EVs and IVs are additive not multiplicative. By ignoring them you make the differences in stats more apparent as you can't patch things up with EVs. All in all, you're a retard.

>>32953603
>It finally got banned to Ubers where it belongs
It's not even out yet.

>>32954480
Bewear?

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Would lower Speed have saved Marshadow?

>>32953845

By that logic, Gliscor would have been suspected last gen because its SD + EdgeQuake set murdered most stall teams.

>>32958418
Dies to LO/Band and can't OHKO without the defense drop so loses to Bulk Z as well.

>>32958439
Even in the 90s he'd be pushing it.

>>32953603
How does it fair in Ubers?

>>32958522
Ekiller weeps silently.

>>32958522
>>32958526
Also SD Arceus-Ghost, or any SD Arceus. Even more so than E-Killer since Spectral Thief can actually affect it.

And Ubers is a tier filled with ghost and psychic types (e.g. Lunala, gengar, giratina, lugia) which are all b+ rank or higher, so it'll do good in the tier.

Mimikyu, M-Lopunny, M-Pinsir, and a few others checked or countered it pretty well. It is stupid it was banned so fast. It was only all over the place because shiny new toy syndrome since it is good but not totally broken.

Smogon is literally stupid

>>32959293
You're retarded, it didn't have any counters, and most of its checks were shaky as hell.

>>32959342
>What is Mandibuzz?

>>32959293
yeah man, just carry mega lopunny on every team. Just make sure that all 5 of Marshadow's other teammates are dead. Also make sure you don't mispredict and eat a CC right in the cunt.

>>32959373
Something that gets fucked in the ass by Close Combat because it can't switch in without taking a lot of damage.

>>32959373
2HKO'd by CC if high rolls or if there's rocks on the field. Also Swagger can fuck it.
>>32959398
Don't forget Lopunny also loses if it's scarf Marshadow locked into CC.

>>32958522
I think it does horribly against Fairyceus and probably Xerneas by extension

>>32953545

meh, smogon is shit so what you were expecting

>>32958398
It came out in Japan

Why is OU such a ban heavy meta?

>>32961622
I fucking wish

>>32961622
There's been 2 new mons put into ubers in what? 8 months?

>>32961817
>Zygarde-C
>Pheromosa
>Mega Metagross
>Marshadow

>>32961825
So 4 mons since launch, one of which only barely stayed in during ORAS.

>>32961825
There have been four quickbans so far(Aegislash, Landorus-I, Zygarde-C, Marshadow) and three suspect bans(Genesect, Pheromosa, Mega Metagross), as well as an "unsuccesful" suspect(Dugtrio).

>>32961622
Because Gamefreak doesn't know how to balance PvP.

>>32961924
But Gamefreak only cares about VGC and VGC is the most balanced and diverse meta to ever exist.

>>32961899
Duggy will get "banned" when they suspect Arena Trap soon.

>>32961993
Wasn't Magearna & Greninja the ones with most priority for a suspect test?

>>32961899
>Aegislash gets quickbanned but Greninja is left untouched
Why?

>they will never suspect both greninjas at the same time
There's no reaction image to accurately represent my anger

>>32962861
SAY IT IT WITH ME
MOTTO MOTTO TSUYOKU

why is ghost type so OP?

>>32963164
It's only that way because Steel no longer resists it. Knock Off usage would also go way down if Steel still resisted Dark.
They did this without adding Ghost resistance to something else, so now Ghost is a really good offensive type, it's basically Dragon but better.

Why do people keep saying marshadow is broken because it has no viable counter?

Is marshadow a counter to anything?

>>32960962
You can just scout with fake out. If the opponent switches then it's not scarf, from there you can just switch safely into a fighting resist.

>>32963219
>they stealthily added poison resistance to Ghost this gen.

I will never forget the rape I went through the day I discovered that.

>>32963320
>this gen
It was always there

>>32963320
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ghost has always resisted poison.
Joking aside, perhaps you didn't think Ghost was resistant to poison because Gengar is the only relevant Ghost type and definitely resists Poison by virtue of its Poison typing.

Marshadow is currently enjoying his new home in Ubers. Arceus Fairy and Arceus Poison are on the rise

>>32963275
>Fake out
It's current year anon.