These two are both Sea Lions

>>32932245

>Humanoid

It's literally a seal with hair, there's nothing human-like about beyond the hair

>>32932245
GEn1 was the mistake, friend

>>32932275
>starfish headphones
>beads
>dress like frills
>eyelash
>standing up while using signature move
Bait.

works on my machine

>pop star seal

>>32932245
>Dewgong is named after manatees but are actually seals.

>>32932245
>One is based on a literal animal
>The other is based on the idea that sailors mistook sea lions for mermaids/sirens

>two pokemon from two different species don't look alike
Wow.

>>32932245
Dewgong is a pretty shitty design, Anon. You don't see even the most devoted genwunner say "Dewgong is great. Why don't they make more cool pokemon like Dewgong." The only reason it's not the Lumineon of Kanto is because a few trainers like Lorelei actually use it.

>>32932315
Also because in the TCG GB game, it's one of the better cards you have access to at the start of the game.

>>32932245
I agree.
Dewgong has a perfect Pokémon-like appearance.
Primarina looks like something from Pretty Cure.

And yes, human like Pokèmon were a mistake.

Get over it. 20 years changes things. No one is forcing you to use pokemon you don't like.

>>32932336
>Dewgong has a perfect Pokémon-like appearance.
Then why does nobody care about it?

>>32932245
Humanoid Pokemon were a mistake. They look so unatural. I can imagine seeing Fennekin in the meadow, but Abra would look so awkward.

Imagine walking through the hills and seeing Hitmonlee stumbling about. It just doesn't fit.

>muh realistic animals for muh immersion

Despite being a sea lion, I'm pretty sure Primarina leans towards the mermaid/siren spectrum.

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Reminder that the most humanoid pokemon is from gen 1. Human-like pokemon have always been a thing. Get over yourself.

>Caring about if creatures from a children's monster catching franchise fit in a fictional setting

You can say the same thing about a lot of Pokemon, especially non-humanoids. I could also easily imagine a Chesnaght in the wild, probably wouldn't be that much different from a bear, except it has a shield to defend itself from other shit if need be.

>>32932245
Why is primarina so cute! Anyone who doesn't like here needs to be gassed tbhqzdnk

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>>32932245

>>32932245

You couldn't have chosen two worse examples, OP.

>>32932414
My only problem with Primarina is the fact that they had a perfectly good alternate model at a much lower poly count, and instead they had to implement the least optimized model in the game.

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>>32932414
Primarina a cute

>>32932245
>Dewgong is a sea lion
Is it? I mean, the pokedex says it's a sea lion, but it looks more like a seal while its name (both english and japanese) imply it's at least partially based on a dugong.

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>>32932245
>Humanoid
You do realize its partly based on a Selkie right? See the Fairy typing? Its even wearing it's old seal skin.

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How long can real life Sea Lions stand up?

>>32932530
Wait, shit I just put things together. Now it's design is even cooler.

>>32932464
Maybe "sea lion" means something different in the Pokemon world. The whole Pokemon vs real animals thing. There have been lots of references to real world animals, but they've never been seen in any game, manga, or episode.

You can't get too autistic when it comes to trying to figure out stiff in the pokeverse or your brain will explode.

>>32932553
It still bothers me that Zangoose, which is very clearly a mongoose, is the Cat Ferret Pokemon. The fuck?

>>32932563
It's a shitty translation, like how Blastoise is the Shellfish pokemon.

>Humanoid pokemon where a mistake

I know, mr. Mime and jynx are absolutely shit tier.

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>>32932245
>These two are both foxes

Humanoid Pokemon were a mistake. They look so unatural.

>>32932384
I'd argue that machoke is less humanoid than primarina. Sure, it has a human-like form, but it's face looks more like a reptile, and the clothing it wears was put there by humans to control it's power, rather than being a feature of it's biology like primarinas jewelry.

>>32932617
Aldabra is a fox?

>>32932563
Meh, I never cared for Goose anyway. I dont use uggo Pokemon lol. But it still makes me wonder, what the difference is between a Pokemon species, its type, and its "kind". How the heck does Pokemon phylum work? Did I even use the right word?!

>>32932634
>I'd argue that a humanoid Pokemon is less humanoid than a non-humanoid Pokemon
You'd be wrong.

>>32932384
did you see me bashing any other gens?
I agree gen 1 is one of the worst offenders. I dislike most humanoid pokemon, regardless of gen.

>>32932661
Your counter argument?

>>32932634
>the clothing it wears was put there by humans to control it's power
no it wasn't
>machoke is less humanoid than primarina
>it has a human-like form
I don't think you understand what humanoid means.

>>32932695
What argument?
You literally don't know what humanoid means if you actually think that.

>>32932245
>>32932336
>>32932361
>>32932617
>samefagging

>>32932692
>I dislike most humanoid pokemon
Then that's your problem. My point is that some pokemon having human features has always and will always be a thing. "It looks unnatural" is a dumb complaint

>>32932634
>the clothing it wears was put there by humans to control it's power
So every Machoke, including the ones in the wild, as soon as they were evolved from Machop, someone tackled them down and forced them to wear these belts and shorts?

>>32932637
>not using zangoose
Nigger begone

>>32932721
no it's not a dumb complaint you fucking dickweed. It breaks immersion and most humanoid pokemon are trash.

>>32932749
>It breaks immersion
It doesn't. There's nothing that says pokemon can't have human features, especially since it's been a thing since the beginning. You're just being autistic.
>most humanoid pokemon are trash
(you)

>>32932634
Nigger, Primarina's "jewelry" is fucking bubbles and what can be assumed to be starfish, and nowhere in any official media does it say that humans put on Machoke's belt.

>>32932749
Would goblins or ogres or kobolds break immersion in a traditional RPG? If you were playing Final Fantasy and you ran into a mermaid, would you be upset that it wasn't actually a sea lion?

>>32932749
>it breaks immersion
Poke Earth is not our Earth. It's a fictional world in a fictional universe in a fictional timeline that has its own set of fictional rules. Trying to apply logic to it would be like trying to apply logic to Godzilla's universe.

>>32932749
This humanoid meme is going too far now.

>>32932730
>not using a fat, frumpy, angry faced cat ferret when there are so many better looking Pokemon with better stats

Nignog be out

>>32932758
>what can be assumed to be starfish
Since it's the same color as Primarina's nose and spikes, I figured it's just something that naturally grows over their ears, like natural earmuffs. Makes sense if you think about it. Their primary attack, unlike their prevos, is sound based so they'll need something to shield their own ears.

>>32932749
Anon, if you think humanoid pokemon look bad, that's fine, but breaking immersion is a dumb as hell reason to give.

>>32932778
Whoa. Neve thought of that. Mind blown. I had heard that the "pearls" in their hair are actually bubbles.

>>32932778
It could be symbiotic relationship.

>>32932778
Kinda wish that its concept art gave more insight on what the stars are supposed to be, honestly. I think the bubble pearls are neat though, especially when they fly off its hair in the Sparkling Aria attack animation.

>>32932805
Yeah, but that would just cause people to ask how real starfish exist and I'd rather not open up that old can of worms

>>32932245
Dewgong is such a boring design, I really don't know how it has any fans.

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>>32932433
Of course

>>32932835
>muh genwun
>muh animalmons
>muh ice type
>muh Lorelei

>>32932835
because it looks like a seal and people like seals in real life?
Not every pokemon needs SPIKES and ANGRY EYES for appeal. There's appeal in simplicity.

>>32932856
Ironically, Dewgong has a spike.

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As a pinnipedfag, they're both amazing. If they were both made with the same design themes in hand, it'd be pretty boring and the second one to come would most likely be target to "muh clone" arguments. There's appeal in both an elegant simplicity and a beautiful complexity and I love the fuck out of each extremity.

>>32932835
>>32932856

Dewgong is the perfect realization of a simple, real life-like seal in the Pokemon world.
Primarina is the perfect realization of a Sea Lion with a mermaid/pop star theme in the Pokemon world.
I find the latter infinitely more appealing and unique, but to say one is better than the other is just wrong.
I'm glad we now have both sides of the spectrum, though.

>>32932856
Dewgong is TOO simple, that's the problem with it.

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>>32932729

>>32932938
It doesn't say humans put it there.

>>32932245
Why do genwunners hold onto this notion that a Pokémon has to be realistic to be good? Isn't the whole point of Pokémon fantasy?

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>>32932888

Pokémon World is Canonically call " Earth"

My poorly canon educated friend.

>>32932972
I don't think OP is a genwunner, but to sort of answer your question: genwunners don't actually know what they want. They complain one pokemon is too unrealistic but then say another is my mom's whatever. I'm convinced most of them don't even like any gen 1 pokemon besides charizard, blastoise and mewtwo.

>>32932947

I thought you were making fun of Pokémon Pokédex entries?

>>32932993
>earth
>not Earth with a capital letter
That's not the planet's name, that's just the literal ground

>>32933019

I knew you were foolish when it comes to Pokémon canon.
:)

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>>32933019

I knew you were foolish when it comes to Pokémon canon.
:)

Lol.

>>32933049
>earth's rotation
Well damn I was wrong then. GF transators must be retarded.

>>32932287

This, minus the standing up gig, since sea lions can be trained to stand at will or just stand on their own, even if awkwardly.

Honestly, I no longer consider Primarina a sea lion, which is why I don't like it at all. It's a fairy-esque selkie/mermaid, plain put.

>>32932304

Ironically, Dewgong's the one that's been mistaken for a mermaid.

>>32933101
>I no longer consider Primarina a sea lion
No need to be retarded Anon.

>>32933142
>Popplio is the Sea Lion Pokemon
>Water type
>Brionne is the Pop Star Pokemon
>Water type
>Primarina is the Soloist Pokemon
>Water/Fairy type
>As the pokemon evolves from Popplio (who has its snout white, making the rest look like a mask), the skin gets clearer until it evolves to Primarina, where it now sports more frills and a dark blue skin layer atop its tail to mimic a mermaid/selkie effect, but no one ever wonders where the dark blue actually comes from when it is in fact its previous shed "old" skin not leaving its tail)
>Selkies are said to live as seals in the sea, but shed their skin to become human on land, also have been known as "maiden of the sea" and "seal maidens" while mermaids live by the shore and sport a fish tail, while sirens were dangerous creatures, who lured nearby sailors with their enchanting music and voices to shipwreck on the rocky coast of their island

It's likelier than you think, anon.

Pokemon are monsters.

>>32932634
I'd argue that pirmarina is less humanoid than machoke. Sure, it has hair, but its face looks more like a seal, and the frills it wears was put there by humans to control its penis, rather than being a feature of its biology like machoke's belt

>>32933346
>and the frills it wears was put there by humans to control its penis, rather than being a feature of its biology like machoke's belt

wait a minute

>>32933288
My point was more that it's both a selkie and a sea lion and there's no need to split hairs. My fault for resorting to the classic "ur a retard" argument.

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>>32933346
>the frills it wears was put there by humans to control its penis

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>>32933346
>And the frills it wears was put there by humans to control its penis, rather than being a feature of its biology like Machoke's belt
>To control its penis

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Why can't we just talk about how cute a Primarina is?

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>>32933346
>frills it wears was put there by humans to control its penis

>>32933068
No. Game freak transators are not.
But Google transators are.

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>>32933346
>control its penis

>>32932758

FYI, the bubbles in its hair come off, not the main ones in its actual head that connects to its head frill and oddly symmetrical starfish in its ears, implying those are pearls instead and actually worn as a sort of tiara.

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>>32933461

Just to show what I mean, even the art implies this. The bubbles in her hair have a grey line art while the "bubbles" forming her tiara are a solid black, further implying that they are indeed pearls.

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>>32933503
Yeah, that's probably the case. Even in-game they are slightly different if you look closely enough.

>>32933027
>>32933049
Samefag. Also,

>It has the same name as the real world therefore it mush follow all the rules of the real world!

>>32933503
>her