This is the new king of OU. Say something nice about him!

>>32931585
something nice about him desu

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Can Marshadow stand up to the King?

>>32931585
You will be banished to Ubers where you will rot.

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>>32931585
He'll definitely be the cutest powerhouse in OU.

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>>32931598
I'll stay for a while as long as Smogon are the incompetents that they are.

>>32931598
He'll be A- rank in Ubers at least.

>>32931598
I dunno, this is smogon, they'll drag their feet for a few months and then decide that its too much of a "glue" to remove and keep it.

>>32931585
Well he's adorable.

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Marshadow is cute! CUTE!

>>32931609
>>32931641
You forget. Marshadow makes their precious Meta Lion look bad so he'll get emergency banned within a week.

>>32931585
The king of AG

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>>32931598
>>32931598
>he thinks smogon will do anything
>when they've done nothing about grenigger and mage
NEVER
..V
..E
..R

>>32931672
Nah. We all know the higher-ups are corrupt and having too much fun getting cheap wins from him. He's even better than Le Healthy Lion in that regard. He's here to stay.

>>32931585
For a Pokemon who's canonically supposed to be a massive pussy, he sure packs a punch.

Ghost type is king baby

>banned from ranked
>banned from tree
Just release it

>>32931598
I dunno seems legit in ubers from what I've been doing with it.

>>32931585
Did they announce when he'll be obtainable in game?

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>>32931585
*Blocks your path*

>>32931598
Fuck no. Marshadow is god-tier in Ubers too. He's THAT good.

The most amazing thing about Marshadow is that he was introduced in Gen 7 where 99% of all the new mons are complete shitmons.

>>32931746
>+1 252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 248 HP / 116 Def Sableye-Mega: 348-409 (114.8 - 134.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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>>32931585
Not so fast!

>>32931773
>marshadow's so broken he'll make worst mega OU
wew

it's real OP place is doubles

>>32931773
>252 Atk Choice Band Marshadow Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Audino-Mega: 175-207 (42.6 - 50.4%) -- 94.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

>>32931801
>takes a band and its strongest attack with stealth rock to even 2hko it
Still honestly the most reliable thing legal in OU to be dealing with it.

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>>32931589
please, he need boost in upcoming gens to even scra-


>>32931768

what is protect?

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What did he mean by this?

>>32931848

speed stat was mistake

[I wonder how they are going to fix slower mon]

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What did they mean by this?

>>32931929

that they are shit and smogon is shit? dude, those people cannot ban tapus or other legendaries to ubers

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>>32931874
can't ohko a mon that didn't use a move in the battle

>>32931681
greninja is gon get banned soon, can't wait for you to get mad at it like last gen

I want to smell Marshadow's feet

>>32931956

that's why I hate bullshit stats distribution, but at least we have aurora veil and screens ect. but still not enough items or moves

>>32931962
>(((soon)))

>>>/ubers/

stealing buffs and sweeping is really funny

If this thing stays OU I'm quitting. Maybe I'll finally start playing RU or something.

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Who needs Marshadow when Mega Lopunny's out, right? (it's out btw)

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>>32932145
MY ACE HAS RETURNED !!
(Still need to wait for the universal code, do)

>>32931585
>Technician
lol NU

>>32932163
Codes are already out

>>32932145
252+ Atk Lopunny-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 48 HP / 0 Def Marshadow: 291-343 (87.3 - 103%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

252 Atk Marshadow Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Lopunny-Mega: 402-474 (148.3 - 174.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>32931766
>Implying that's a bad thing

I'll take a majority of new pokemon being usable in the actual good tiers instead of adding to the OU cancer any day of the week.

>>32932258
Is Gen 7 the gen that added the most cancer?

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>>32931929
>lobby
meanwhile in the actual OU room

>>32932321
Speaking of Mega Gardevoir, is it worth using considering Lele is around?

>>32932333
No not really. It's a tad faster and does the CM sets better but you're better off with a different mega and lele.

>>32931598
+1 252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 152 HP / 0 Def Groudon-Primal: 307-363 (81 - 95.7%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
Marshadow is perfectly capable of tearing P-Don's ass in two.

>>32932241
This is true but. You forgot to factor in the damage of High Jump Kick with Fake out. Standard Loppuny set's run Fake out, High Jump Kick, Ice Punch, and (Extra Slot). That will otk Marshadow

>>32932355
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>32932333
It has some things over Lele like WoW, better Fairy STAB and what not, but you're better off with something like Mawile or Medicham or (now) Lopunny + Lele. It has its merits and will probably still get ranked (unless it drop so far in usage, it becomes BL)

>>32932369
This guy I like, already started using lopunny with Lele and toxapex in showdown practice and no one can break through.

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>>32932355
I said this before and I will say it again, regardless where this thing ends up it will make a splash.

>>32931681
They did something about Pheromosa and Megagross, even though it was months after they were broken.

>>32932355
I can definitely see things like darkceus falling in usage because of this little shit, as well as ekiller.

>>32931849
What a fucking idiot. The same thing was said about Pheromosa early on, and how it's just Bug type Deoxys and should be suspected despite being worse. Marshadow is just a better Darkrai that's Physical.

>>32932441
>better Darkrai
how horrifying considering darkrai is already fucking retardedly good.

>>32931598
It's probably the best counter to extreme-killer arceus in the tier.

>>32932454
Needs SR damage to counter. Or LO I suppose, but Marshadium is better because it beats Groudon.

>>32932273
Honestly, I'd say gen VII didn't add that much compared to the other generations, but the shit it did add is what pushed the meta into what it is now, and it'll probably keep getting worse until GF actually makes an effort to curb the power creep, or make some drastic change to the core battle system itself that'll benefit underpowered mons without buffing the mons that are already good.

>>32932410
It took then at least 10 badgefags ragequiting because of how shit the game had gotten to finally prod them into testing them

>>32932449
It has pretty much everything a Physical Darkrai would have besides Swords Dance (Which is already covered)
>Better Bulk
>Better Typing offensively and defensively
>Moves hits harder
252 SpA Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 270-320 (79.1 - 93.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 288-338 (84.4 - 99.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>Better ability
>Usable signature move
>OU has was more Dark resists than Ghost/Fighting
>Way more potential sets
>Has Priority
It has it all. If Marshadow isn't banned, then Darkrai should be suspected to drop to OU.

>>32932525
>Swords Dance
You can meme and use Swagger+Spectral Thief to do a similar thing, and it is actually disgustingly good.

>>32932544
swagger should be banned again just because of marshadow

>>32932552
But isn't it the smogon way to ban a Pokemon that abuses a move instead of a move because a single pokemon abuses it? One of the few things they do that actually makes sense to me.

>>32932582
So I'm guessing that you missed the Batton Pass debacle/ban that happened some time ago.

>>32932582
I'll take Baton Pass for a thousand, Alex

>>32932598
>>32932609
So the one thing I actually agreed with smogon on is no longer a thing? I wish I was surprised.

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>>32932582
There is always the possibility of a complex ban for the combo Spectral thief/Swagger, even in ubers that's disgusting.
But autists always exagerate things when it comes to complex ban so we're never allowed to have them when we should.

>>32932552
Swagger was unbanned? Well fuck.

>>32932598
>>32932620
Baton Pass was multiple pokemon abusing the same busted move so they banned the move instead of 8+ pokemon.

A better comparison would be when people talked about banning King's Shield instead of Aegislash. Nothing abuses Swagger like Marshadow does so they would ban the pokemon and not the move itself.

>>32932638
Confusion nerf means that you can't cheese your opponent with swagplay anymore

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>check ongoing OU battles
>Marshadow more common than Landorus

>>32932648
King's Shield instead of Aegislash and Thousand Arrow's instead of Zygarde 100% being turned down is what made me learn of the rule, so I'd be disappointed if they went back on that already.

>>32932650
You still can, but less chances, and it's very frustrating when it happens, like taking a 30% OHKO move when it's coupled with Spectral Thief.

>>32931585
i want to fuck that 10k polygonal ass

Have any of you morons even actually played on the ladder, or are you just getting your retarded memes mixed up? Marshadow is not only getting banned, it's probably getting same-day quick banned. Smogon doesn't avoid banning things for too long, they're ban HAPPY you fucking mongs. At least get your complaints right.

>>32932429

>outspeeds
>immune to espeed
>super effective stab

i didn't realize how hard this thing checks arceus until now

>>32932687
They were ban happy in gen 6, but in gen 7 they don't ban quick enough.

Keep up with the times.

>>32932141
Good, fuck you faggot stay out of my ou tier if you can't adjust.

>>32931598
>rot in Ubers
>the setup tier
>the mostly sub 100 base speed tier
>you

>>32932632
Ubers for some reasons decided to not unban Swagger. Move and ability bans don't trickle down anymore so OU can keep it unbanned.
Since Marshadow abuses Swagger in an unique way and one that doesn't rely on luck to function, they would most likely ban Marshadow over Swagger, even disregarding the fact that Marshadow is already banworthy even without Swagger.

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>>32932712
>Marshadow ubers
*King's Shields your path*

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>>32932745
>+1 252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 252 HP / 4 Def protected Aegislash-Shield: 162-192 (50 - 59.2%) -- 78.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Catch this Z-move, spookknife

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>+1 252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 252 HP / 192+ Def Toxapex: 258-304 (84.8 - 100%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
Nice meta, smogonbabbies.

>>32932795
>>32932831
wtf is this little shitstain from yokai watch or something baka

How does Funaware Clef fair against it?

Btw, focus slash is is going to be a standard for ubers so it can block setup sweepers with speed. Already seen it in work and it's really effective.

>>32932945
252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 252 HP / 64 Def Clefable: 369-435 (93.6 - 110.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

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>>32932955
Looks like it. The little guy will end up destroying the everything no matter the tier it ends up being banned from.

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>>32931773
...does it actually check/counter it?

>>32933008
no

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>>32933008
But I do!

>>32932698
Wasn't Zygod banned within like two days

>>32933075
What does Meloetta do when getting hit by Close Combat?

>>32933110
Take it and 1 shot with psyshock in return. Nuetral dmg won't 1 shot her.

Normal/Ghost-type when?

>>32933117
252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Meloetta: 308-363 (90.3 - 106.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

>>32933117
But the question is, does it two-shot her? If so, she can't reliably switch into it.

>>32933108
Yeah, but only when people started spamming it on the ladder. Initially everyone and their mothers were using a Toxapex+Pheromosa+Aegislash combo before it devolved into a "whose Zyg will beat the opposite Zyg first" kind of thing.

Marshadow will be high-tier in Ubers.

>>32933117
offensive meloetta is ohkod by CC, defensive lacks the punch to ohko marshadow
not a check even

>>32933127
>>32933128

Yes it will 2 shot her, but assuming you are running her as a counter
252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 56 Def Meloetta: 286-339 (83.8 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
with 56 def iv running typical specs build

>>32933185
that's not a counter, it's a check, and a shaky one at that
if they predict a switch and hit bulk up, you're fucked
and then you brought an RU shitmon to your team for nothing

>>32933213
original statement was can she counter/check him, which she can check. But yeah its not a good one.

>>32933125
Wait for Gen 8. It's probably going to be a bulky physical mythical with justified.

>>32931585
BAN WHEN REEE

>>32932355
>+1
wut

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*teleports back to UU*

>>32931585
I thought it was kinda cute for a little bit.

>252 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Marshadow: 324-382 (100.9 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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I'm going to see how good this thing really is.

What's your favorite Marshadow set, /vp/? Mine has CB and Pursuit to trap things.

>>32934209
Did you finish your first battle yet?

>>32933975
bulk up

>>32934329
Special

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>>32934329
naughty scarf

>>32932145

It would be a shame if there was a highly spammable Sticky Web team that features Marshadow and guarantees that M-Lopunny gets outmemed...

>>32931585
is he even released?

Marshadow has a unique type combination, an amazing signature move, and a badass looking Z-Move.

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>showdown still hasn't updated for the new mega stones

Name one (1) counter.

>>32934538
Cofagrigus. and Mega Lopunny.

>>32934329
Swagger :^)

>>32931585
This thing is destined to be banned. Its fucking disgustingly broken.

>>32934562
>Cofagrigus
on what planet?

>>32934538
Mandibuzz

>>32934625
Planet fucking Earth, nigga. Run the calcs and then see if you can come back here still talking shit, huh?

>>32934639
252 Atk Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cofagrigus: 158-188 (49.3 - 58.7%) -- 68% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cofagrigus: 158-188 (49.3 - 58.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

With rocks it can't switch in, if it gets chipped even a little it can't switch in

>>32934562
I don't think you know the definition of a counter. Check, sure, but counter? Hell no.

>>32934671
LO sets 2HKO no matter what lel

>>32934671
>>32934678
>>32934711
Blah blah blah, you lot are whiny-ass niggas. Switch into a predicted Close Combat.

>>32934639
>252 Atk Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cofagrigus: 158-188 (49.3 - 58.7%) -- 68% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Can't switch in

>0 SpA Cofagrigus Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Marshadow: 182-216 (56.6 - 67.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Can't 1v1

I didn't even put an item on Marshadow, account for 7-Star Strike, or put in any Bulk Up or Swagger boosts. Some counter, nerd.

Assuming you get rid of his Z-move or he isn't holding on to it, Quagsire can reliably wall Marshadow. I got bullied for using Cursesire, but he managed to stop Marshadow regardless.

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Banette will counter Marshadow thanks to the Ghost/Normal type it will get in USM!

>>32931708
this, the movie even makes it seem tough too. Why even call it craven and cowardly in the dex?

>>32934724
Prediction goes both ways scrublord. A counter is literally "if he switches into this and I stay in with what I have out at the moment, I lose momentum to my opponent, unless I predict it and make a switch myself". Having counters to things is a fundamental way of pressuring your opponent and rigging the decisionmaking game in your favor, just as vital as having something that has limited or shaky counters.

Now that I used it a bit, I no longer want Marshadow banned.

>>32934851
How come?

>>32934885
Marshadow is useful as fuck. He's one hell of a wallbreaker and a trapper, along with possessing a move that can steal boosts from the opponent.

>>32934901
I actually thought it was because you thought it was underwhelming or something.
Marshadow's fun as fuck to use but the fun mons are always the ones that get banned.

>>32934911
I'll end up fucking around with it in AG sometimes regardless.

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>Marshadow in Monotype
>Spectral Thief for other Ghost types in STABmons

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omae wa mou shindeiru

>>32931849
What a dumbass. He should die in a house fire

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>>32935057
ATATATATATATATATATA

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>>32934805
>ghost/normal
Boy, I sure would enjoy having stab return/frustration, no way to boost offensive stats and mediocre speed.

>>32935105
>doesn't even have hone claws
for fuck's sake

>>32934329
The Z-move one. OHKOs a ton of stuff like Magearna.

>>32934975
Sucks that most of the physical ghosts are slow as hell, I'd love to use Spectral Theif Golurk.

>>32935105
Ghost/Normal typing is like Flying/Electric in that the secondary type is only beneficial in that you get new resistances without losing any resistances or gaining weaknesses.
Whether or not Banette is a shitmon has no influence on whether or not Ghost/Normal is a good typing.

>>32935133
At least it gets calm mind, I guess you could do calm mind + cotton guard or calm mind + rest talk but it's special sets alway lack coverage

>>32935102
>>32935057
is this a jojo reference

>>32935177
No, it's not.

>>32935162
Ghost dark would be better

>>32935651
>Adding a fairy weakness
>Redundant STAB
>Not immune to Fighting/Ghost STAB
this isn't gen 5 anymore

>>32934805
Marshadow also has technician boosted dark moves so unless mega banette gets access to recover and more bst in base form then it's still shit. I guess prankster destiny bond and wisp work to scare it out though

>>32935791
Normal ghost would suit a tankier mon better. Banette would at least make a decent trapper with stab and prankster taunt. It's clearly not the marshadow counter we're looking for.

Will it even have any counters in Ubers? Arceus-Fairy?

>>32931598
Them cucks did ban Mega Metagross so it can happen. Though Marshadow will rip new ass in Ubers too

>>32935963
Defensive Yveltal, Z-Geoxern and Toxapex check it rather well.

>>32931598
Nigger Marshadow will be great in Ubers.

>>32931585
STEP 1. FIND AN OPPONENT WITH MARSHADOW
STEP 2. KILL ALL HIS NORMAL TYPES
STEP 3.START REPEATEDLY SWORD DANCING WITH A BAIT BOKEMON, GALLADE OR SOMETHING
STEP 4. GET YOUR OPPONENT TO KILL IT WITH SPECTRAL THIEF
STEP 5. USE YOUR OWN MARSHADOW WITH A SCARF TO KILL HIS, STEALING ALL THE BOOSTS IN THE PROCESS
STEP 6. SWEEP THE OPPONENT

>>32937008
>The opposing Marshadow used Shadow Sneak!

>>32937034
>The opposing Marshadow used Shadow Sneak!
The opposing Gallade used shadow sneak!
besides, most marshadow don't even run SS

Can someone trade me a Marshadow?

>>32937060
are they even tradable/usable in BS yet?

give me O N E good reason why this hasn't been quickbanned yet

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>>32932362
>Fake out

>>32937067
still waiting for an answer

>>32937142
Is this bait or are you just that dumb

>>32937263
They are usable on BS

Stop following Smogon cult rules and learn to think and live for yourselves

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>>32932362
>OTK
>One Turn Kill
>Spread out over two moves

>>32934209
>went in with your team
>probably not the same movesets
>pretty much fuck over everything i face without even using shadow
Team is too bulky, holy shit. Shadow probably took 1 or 2 lives on my 3 matches. And my Skarm tanking a hit from a oponents shadow and 1hkoing it back with BB. Was fucking hilarious

>>32933008
Can bulk most close combats and doesn't care about ghost nuke. Literally the only thing in the game.

>>32934048
*cursed body's back to UU

>>32937899
I never ended up using that team at all. I changed things up and used Quagsire instead.

Does Spectral Thief steal boosts from subs?

>>32938459
Yep.

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>he thinks MLop counters/checks Marshadow

>>32931934
>BEing legendary automatically makes a pokemon good

>>32934975
Marshadow improves Ghost a lot, but like Mega Medicham for Fighting (And Marshadow) it doesn't really make the type super viable. Especially when it can't break Poison

Have a feeling it's not gonna stay long in OU. Mainly because of this post:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ou-good-cores.3591999/page-8#post-7415532

Unless I'm misinterpreting the intent of the post.

>>32939686
Isn't MMedi banned from Monotype

>>32939691
Yeah, but not because of how good it was on Fighting. It was moreso for how good it was on Psychic (Seriously, even without Lele and Megagross, Psychic is a top 3 type) and how it had very little counterplay in general. But yes, it did get banned. Psychic's still top tier though

>>32934975

fortunately fighting and ghost both suck so marshadow might be able to evade being banned in monotype

>>32939709
Also worth nothing that ironically, Ghost itself autoloses to Marshadow. Nothing can switch in outside of Sableye-Mega, and that gets manhandled by the Z move set

>>32931585
Did this fucker got released and missed the event again like I did with Hoopa?

>>32938459
It does damage through sub too.

So are the only semi-decent switch-ins to this thing Toxapex and Physdef. Tangrowth? And I say semi-decent because Z-move sets wreck those two anyway.

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>>32939765
No way, you must be mixing things up with Hyperspace Fury

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>>32939777
It's fucking real.

Will we survive this raid too?

>>32939866
/vp/ is already dead and you are fucking the corpse

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>>32939786
what the shit

>>32939776
Mega audino is the only thing in the entire game that can switch in on any set*.

*Can't switch in on band if rocks are up.

>>32937056
Yeah, why use only two S's when you can run five

>>32934209
Dugtrio BTFO

this thread is staying alive

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>Marshadow's surviving two Bui raids
Is there anything he can't do?

fight the power

/ss/ doujins when?

>>32940804
You mean /sssss/ doujins.

>>32940542
Stay in OU.

Bumping because Marshadow's to good.

>>32931848
Z-Moves go through protect.

DID THEY RELEASE MY SHADOW BOXER YET
PLEASE

>>32941138
Japan only.

>>32937395
Guaranteed flinch nigga. *I* may get two turns, but you only get 1.

*Pursuit traps your Chansey*
psssh... nothin personel kidd...

>>32931849
>Gary being the only sane individual in Smogon

I don't know how they found this guy but he is in the right place at the right time.

>>32937142
retard

>>32941194
>pursuit on marshadow
you realize you lose the tech boost right?

>>32941267
at that point it doesn't matter, since it's a strong move anyways

>>32931848
How does incineroar revenge kill marshadow before marshadow kills with CC?

>>32941404
Trick Room.

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>>32941299
>80BP move without STAB
>strong
you're overhyping 125 attack, outside of spectral and close combat it's attack power is only ok for a sweeper
there's only one situation against chansey that pursuit will work with, and that's if you donk them switching into chansey when it's around 50% HP and switch shadow in at the same time

252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Pursuit (80BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 147-173 (20.9 - 24.6%)

yes this situation will put chansey out of commission until something dies to one of your special attackers, however this situation isn't gonna be common
just run HP ice or something if you want to meme on people

>>32941452
>HP ice
but why, when it has Ice Punch, which is physical?

>>32941456
HP Ice gets Technician Boosted, Ice Punch doesn't

If you have a Marshadow in against a Chansey, your free turn and moveslot are better spent on Substitute than on Pursuit.

>>32941456
lando t and garchomp, tech boost and dodges intimidate/recoil

Marshadow is so powerful its thread survived Bui's furry porn onslaught.

>>32941577
This is the second Marshadow thread to do so.
Ban when?

>>32933108
That's becuase Zygod is basically Chansey with offensive presence, and with the best attacking move in the game.

>>32941620
can't forget coil and ddance

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Deal with it.

>>32941640
I want MarshadOU to sit on my face

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>>32934538
>252 Atk Marshadow Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 208+ Def Audino-Mega: 121-144 (29.5 - 35.1%) -- 16.6% chance to 3HKO

>48 SpA Audino-Mega Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Marshadow: 168-198 (52.3 - 61.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Leave Marshadow to me.

Leave Marshadow to me.

>>32941659
>252 Atk Choice Band Marshadow Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 208+ Def Audino-Mega: 180-213 (43.9 - 51.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Okay.

>>32941640
>Guys it's too early to quickban him, let's just let the meta settle for a month or two :)
>Sorry we have another circlejerk tournament, test has to wait till another two months, please understand :)
>Well looks like the meta settled nicely around Marshadow, I think he'll be a great addition to OU that checks a lot of things, solid A rank imo
>What test?
Already happened with Lando-T, Greninja, and Magearna. Screencap this.

>>32931585
Just imagine how broken his true form will be.

>>32941870
You mean like Volcanion's true TRUE form?

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>>32941870
we already know its true form

>>32941779
>close combat
thanks for the free draining kiss boost.

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Leave Marshadow to me!

>>32941902
>No Pokemon Z to give Volcanion its second form like Diancie and Hoopa got

>>32939640
I'm not even going to do the calc for how much it does to Lopunny with a Close Combat.

>>32942135
252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Comfey: 144-172 (47 - 56.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
nice job comfey

>>32942373
*unzips priority kissu*

>>32942381
252 SpA Comfey Draining Kiss vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Marshadow: 134-158 (41.7 - 49.2%) -- 17.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

>>32942381
252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Comfey: 262-309 (85.6 - 100.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
*unzips z-move*

>>32931585

I want to hug Marshadow.

>>32942772
I want Marshadow to hug my face with his sweaty feet

>>32941870
>marshadow unbound
>gets the exact same stat bonuses that hoopa got
>90/175/80/110/90/135
>still has technician
Move over megafug the queen wants its throne.

>>32944201
delet this
pokemon of such levels of power shouldn't exist

So is Marshadow pretty much one of the top 5 pokemon in the game?

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>>32931585
Remember when we thought that Zygarde 100% was going to be the king of OU and Ubers with its high HP and more stupid things? Hahaha these were the days.

>>32944933
In OU, yes. There's still shit like Ubers and Mega Fug

>>32932831
>Cool guys don't look at explosions

>>32931628
>>32933146
>>32936407
>>32936244
Really its only use in Ubers is checking offensive physical Arceus forms.

>>32935963
There are no "counters" in ubers to it, but theres barely any counters to anything in ubers. In terms of checking it, Yveltal, Ho-Oh, Primal Groudon, are all mons that Marshadow and are amazing to begin with.

>>32932355
First, that is either offensive Primal Groudon or some meme EV spread, because it usually runs 252 HP/252 SpD. And when the fuck is Marshadow getting that +1 in the first place? It can't stay in against pretty much every mon with some kind of offensive prescence.

>>32932955
Focus Sash on anything that's not a suicide lead is meme-tier anywhere above 1200 ELO.

>>32932989
Except it's barely destroying anything except for mons that already are seeing less and less usage this gen.

>>32934209
I hate you

>>32947688
Bulk up, it can stay in on any physical attacker in ubers for exactly one hit.

Regardless, it's still the best cleaner in the game there too since it actually beats the other uber cleaners 1v1. They're all ironically weak to ghost.

>switch in Marshadow while opponent boosts
>opponent stays in
Why?

>>32948776
>Switch out
>Marshadow is the cancerous Swagger set and gets boosts anyway
>Stay in
>Get to roll the dice if they used Swagger expecting the switch and one shot the fucker if they didn't go for the kill

Swagger + Spectral Thief set reminds me of HypnoGar in early gen7ubers before it got banned. Both basically comes to a dice roll to sweep or die.

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>lose a speed tie to opponent
>three matches in a row

So are ppl injecting him like mad or is this all just theory bullshitting because it would be asking for a banhammer from GF?

>>32949371
event in japan, its legal now

>>32949371

It was released but only to the Hivemind and nobody itt knows anything. It's just spitballing and nonsense.

>>32949371
Showdown obviously

So once Marshadow's gone how will mega Lopunny fare in OU?

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>hate the meta and Pokemon by proxy since Gen VI
>two favorite legendaries come out and completely break the fucking game

I dunno about everyone else but I'm fucking over the moon at how fucking crazy this is getting

What's Marshadow's usage % at this point?

>>32950063
I'd assume similar to the install base for BotW on the Switch

>>32950063
100%

>>32949550
>implying he'll be gone
You forget how incompetent Smogon is at their one job of balancing the meta. Of course he'll stay. They'll make up some excuse like "let the meta settle :^)" or "sorry, we have another """"""""tournament"""""""", please understand ;^)"

>>32931801
>Marshadow gets Close Combat
>not Poliwrath
i'm fucking mad

>>32950272
They have a tournament right now and Marshadow is banned from it

>>32947688
>There are no "counters" in ubers to it
A fully physically defensive set can. However, you are right that nothing can "counter" the Swagger set, one can only pray and hope.

252 Atk Choice Band Marshadow Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Fairy: 162-192 (36.4 - 43.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Fairy: 295-348 (66.4 - 78.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
and then
0 SpA Pixie Plate Arceus-Fairy Judgment vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Marshadow: 330-390 (102.8 - 121.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>32947688
It's also extremely effective against later game ubers cleaners and hyper offence. Shit like mgar, deo-a and lunala all shit their pants at the thought of its shadow sneak.

>>32951029
Swagger is banned in Ubers, but not in OU and below.
And 252/252+ is probably not the best Arceus spread.

>>32948768
>Bulk up, it can stay in on any physical attacker in ubers for exactly one hit.
It gets 2HKOd by defensive and offensive Pdon at +1 defense. It gets OHKOd by Mega Salamence and mixed RP Pdon. And it can't OHKO any of those mons even after +1 attack. What the fuck are you talking about?

>Regardless, it's still the best cleaner in the game there too since it actually beats the other uber cleaners 1v1. They're all ironically weak to ghost.
RP Pdon, mixed RP Pdon, Xerneas, and Mega Salamence (all of which are currently the best sweepers in the meta) all beat it 1v1, even after a bulk up. And none of those mons are weak to ghost.

>>32948841
>>32948884
swagger is banned in ubers, which is where it's probably going to end up.

>>32951029
First off swagger is banned in ubers. And second you don't know what a counter is, there is a specific difference between checks and counters in competitive Pokemon. Also your calc makes no sense, Marshadow would never stay in against Fairyceus and Fairyceus wouldn't run 252 hp/252+ def, like that other anon said. And finally Marshadow would not be running Poison Jab in ubers.

>>32951903
>It's also extremely effective against later game ubers cleaners and hyper offence.
Pretty much every late-game cleaner except for physical Arceus forms beat Marshadow 1v1. And hyper offense is shit this gen anyway.

>Shit like mgar, deo-a and lunala all shit their pants at the thought of its shadow sneak.
Deo-a and Lunala are both wallbreakers, and Mega Gengar is a support trapper and revengekiller. And last time I checked Mega Gengar and Deo-a aren't known for their ability to take hits. And Lunala doesn't get OHKOd by Shadow Sneak.

>>32952006
>>32952141
>swagger is banned in Ubers
You're right, I forgot about that.

>>32952141
>you don't know what a counter is
>Pokémon A counters Pokémon B if Pokémon A can manually switch into Pokémon B and still win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax.
The only possible criteria for being a counter Arceus-Fairy doesn't fulfil is not using a standard set, and even then Smogon's dex does recommend a similar spread of 252 HP / +240 Def / 16 Spe which fares just as well against Marshadow.
>Marshadow would never stay in against Fairyceus
That goes for all pokemon that have counters. Are counters only TRUE counters if they also trap the opponent, e.g. Magnezone?
>Marshadow would not be running Poison Jab
Is odd coverage moves not part of "worst case scenario" in the definition of a counter?