>tfw we're in the dark age of Pokémon

>>32923744
We have been since Gen 2. There's no Light type.

Not really. Pokemon's been rising in popularity, mostly thanks to Pokemon Go.

>>32923780
Popularity has nothing to do with anything you dumbass, quality does.

the dark age of rehashed games and convervative game design is gone together with gen4
if anything SM did major inovations that I hope will be carried on and fix whatever problems

I am very sorry for kids like you that grew up with gen3 and 4, thinking that stale shit is what pokemon is about

>>32923744
When something sells well regardless of quality, it just keeps getting shat out faster and faster. Vote with your wallet people. If you don't want Pokemon to become Assassins creed or COD, then stop buying it every time.

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>>32923744
Stop being a pessimist

>>32923858
I'm sorry what, Gen 3 and 4 are easily the best generations. Period. Emerald, FRLG , platinum, HGSS? Those are the best in the series.

>>32923858
Fuck you you retarded shit eating faggot. Innovation for the sake of innovation means nothing and SM's attempt at innovation certainly didn't bring anything good to the table. And if anything they're the most conservative games yet seeing how immensely streamlined the level design is and how much they generally lack in features.

>>32923870
But lack of first-hand experience illegitimizes criticism to an extent. I have to play the games no matter how bad they are so I can form proper opinions.

>tfw not autistic enough to call a game shit over cutscenes

gen 5 has been over for years

>>32923814
And quality is pretty okay too. Definitely not "dark age" level. That would be gen 3

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>>32923757

>>32924049
Ruby and Sapphire have more post-game than Sun and Moon.

>>32923945
Hence why we're in a dark age now. Nothing has topped BW2 yet.

Pokebarney did nothing wrong.

>>32923744
But this isn't gen 5.

>>32924073
What does Dragonite have to do with this?

>>32924063
So post game is more important than the main game? Noted

>>32924063
What did he mean by this?

But gen 4 has been over for a long time?

>>32924063
No they don't

>>32924049
Hoenn has the best level design of any region. Abandoned Ship, Meteor Falls, Shoal Cave, Trick House, the Safari Zone, the evil team hideouts, tons of secrets and nooks and crannies to discover all over the region. Alola has almost nothing of this.

>>32923877
Gen 5 is better

>>32924097
>safari zone
>best level design
Kek. Safari Zone is a huge mess. From what you said I can only agree with Shoal Cave and Abandoned Ship

Trials are just reskins of certain gyms with less fair battle mechanic, Alola formes are epitome of what's wrong with genwun pandering and modern pogeymen design and entire game feels like they didn't manage to do something vital on due date and then decided to salvage the losses.

Convince me I am wrong.

>>32923744
Pokemon will only go into a dark age once a majority of the fan base begins to destest the games.

>>32923870
Grand theft auto is the 3 most successful game franchise of all time and has more sales then CoD and Assassins creed but it still doesn't release games every year. Pokemon will never become like CoD or AC because the developers actually care.

>>32924130
>ask dev why a cool feature was removed
>"lol idk"
No they don't.

>>32924130
>Pokemon will never become like CoD or AC because the developers actually care.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*pauses*
*breathes deeply*
...
WAIT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SERIOUS AND NOT SHITPOSTING???
PAAAAHAHAHAHSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OH GOD AHAHAHAHA
EEHEHEEHEEHEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEE OOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOH
GAAHAAHAHAHAHA OH FUCK HELP HAHAAHAHAHHAHA I LITERALLY CAN'T EVEN PFFPFFAAAHAHHAAAA
hehehehehehe.... ehehe... oohohhhhhh shit

>>32923872
Stop being an avatarfag

>>32924119
>Alola formes are epitome of what's wrong with genwun pandering
alolasomes and genwunners will defend this.

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>>32923911
>thinking cutscenes are the only problem
how about the shitty ass story of you following a usseles loli around and your jorney gets sidelined or the fucking game that doesnt let you explore the region properly with all those ``lol my dog gotta sniff my butt real qick ´´ assholes or the fact that even if they let you explore the region is so linear with like only 2 places that you can explore for the sake of exploring

>>32924063
They don't. Online is infinite postgame.

>>32924321
Showdown exists.

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>>32924130
>because the developers actually care
are you serious ? Masuda takes out features with the excuse of making every game feel ``unique´´ or just says ``hahaha i dont know ´´

>>32924119
Agreed

>>32924342
Lol hahaha don't know

is worse than

please understand

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Why haven't you switched to the superior mon series?

>>32924417
This is literally why SM anime sucks.

Why do people think Gen 3 is so bad?

>>32924572
People always shit on one Gen, nothing new.

>>32923744
NO

>>32923814
dont reply to him please. he is a legitimate retard looking for attention. been doing it for years. just ignore him.

>>32923757
>There's no Light type.
Fairy IS the Light type you retard

>>32924099
Not with those shitty starters and "American" pokemon design.

>>32924063
>Lati@s
>fug
>Tower
"no"

>>32924440
But early Yokai Watch was somewhat enjoyable for a kids show excluding a few episodes

>>32923780
Goddamn. I haven't been on this board for a year. I came to visit and you are still here. Fuck.

>>32924323
that doesn't make battling online not infinite

>>32924323
Which is not an argument in any way.

>>32924130
>Pokemon will only go into a dark age once a majority of the fan base begins to destest the games.
Something that is slowly happening actually.

>>32924049
You missed out, filthy deserter.

>>32924417
YW3 bombed and Level-5 is trying to figure out what to do now.
But at least Level-5 is patching new content into YW3 after release.

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>>32925628
This. SM was the cause of a mass exodus within the fanbase due to how shitty they were. Pokemon is dying. Fact.

>>32924294
Everything you said is true, but will be met with Alolasspain defending a game with objectively zero redeeming features.

>>32923780
A post worthy of a tripfag.
When are you going to neck yourself?

>>32923744
The dark ages were gen 5 and gen 6. 7 started the renaissance.

pokemon is dying as it always was since gen 3
just you wait

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>>32925097
the only good thing to come out of the YW anime was the komasan shorts

everything else is dogshit

>>32923780
Fuck off, "Brett"

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>>32923872
When something actually nice happens maybe I won't have a reason to be pessimistic. Being optimistic when the last three main releases have been varying degrees of bad doesn't lead to anything but me giving Game Freak money for a product I don't enjoy.

>>32926039
>he doesn't like Bruce Willisper

>>32923814
Outside of vp the general opinion is that xyoras and sm were good
Fuck off

>>32925967
With the worst level design, story and new features in the series yet? Yeah no.

>>32926073
ok I admit I forgot about that bit

>>32923872
Prismist

>>32926074
Why are you on /vp/ if you detest what /vp/ says so much

>>32926022
>dying
>sm were the highest grossing games in the series ever after gen 1

>>32926080
There is nothing in SM that is better than any of the other mainline games. Alolasomes AKA the cucked remains of the Pokemon fanbase will deny it and delude themselves into thinking they are good but they're fucking delusional and everyone knows it.

>>32926085
Because I like talking about Pokemon

You're a genuine fucking idiot if you think Pokemon is either in a "dark age" or dying in popularity

Sm were critically acclaimed, the only place with strong community backlash is vp, which is because most kids here are contrarian and also have autism, so things like a loli or a bara or cutscenes make them think they're the worst games of all time

And not only are sm the most well received games since Gen 1 , they're also the highest selling. Pokemon is literally back to a peak in mainstream popularity. Pokemon is relevant again. Thank GO and SM.

>>32923780
BUTTSCAB

>>32923744
>Alolasomes AKA the cucked remains of the Pokemon fanbase will deny it and delude themselves into thinking they are good but they're fucking delusional and everyone knows it.
Do you know how autistically insane you sound? You sound like infowars if he cared about Pokemon.

>>32926134
>Because I like talking about Pokemon
But you clearly don't like talking about Pokémon with /vp/, which was why I was asking. I mean you seem really dedicated to praising SM and never hearing criticism, so /vp/ is probably the worst place you could go on the Internet to talk about Pokémon. Why are you on /vp/ specifically instead of, say, reddit? And I'm not even using that as an insult, they're a lot more positive about the series than here and you seem like you would be happier there since you'd be among like-minded individuals.

>>32924119
Around my house we joke that Alola forms are Pokemon Abuse.

> Meet Rocky the Sandslash.
> He can't hang out with with his cousin, Vince at all.
> It's painful for him...
> In more ways than one....

> ALOLA FORMS: NOT EVEN ONCE!

>>32924247
:^)

>>32923877
>FRLG
No.

>>32924119
>less fair battle mechanic
I think the trials themselves are lame and don't have the effort put into them that we'd usually see in Gym design, but totem battles are tight. Buffing a Pokémon at the start of the fight so they don't just go down in one hit is a great idea, and the Lurantis battle specifically rocked my shit and almost wiped me out (I picked the seal).
I agree with everything else in your post.

X/Y and especially ORAS was the dark ages. S/M is a massive improvement.

>>32923744

>But you clearly don't like talking about Pokémon with /vp/
Says fucking who? Not everone on this board is you

>I mean you seem really dedicated to praising SM and never hearing criticism
When have I ever shown signs of being "dedicated" to praising Sun and moon? Yeah i have come to it's its defense but only to use factual statements in an argument against biased ones. How can you think I'm some SM fanboy if I've only posted ITT twice? You're insane dude

>Why are you on /vp/ specifically instead of, say, reddit? And I'm not even using that as an insult, they're a lot more positive about the series than here and you seem like you would be happier there since you'd be among like-minded individuals.
No Reddit is a worse evil than 4chan for completely different reasons. Just not my kind of shit.

I don't WANT to partake in a constant circle jerk where everyone echos the same opinion as me. I honestly hope you don't think that makes a quality discussion.

And there are actually some good discussions and threads that pass through here. Maybe if you took some time to stop blaming everyone and everything else for your own blatant insecurity, you would see them too.

>>32926160
>Around my house
You mean by yourself in the confines of your room?

>>32926224
SM is a slight improvement you mean, a lot of the problems of Gen 6 are still there and it made the cutscene problem much worse.

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>>32926224

Kalos
> Pokemon Chaining tools and grass patches
> Being able to choose to trigger group attacks or not
> Being able to fully train any mon via minigames. Untraining takes moments.
> Breeder, berry farm, and rematch battles right on one long egg hatching road with awesome water views for sunsets.
> Friend Safari

Alola:

> Call for help, damn it. How many of these orbs do I need to squeeze?
> Fuck, it called for help! Just let me get to the other side of this grass already!
> So I have to EV grind or wait three+ days to fully train my mons then untrain crap via rare berries and once a day bounce houses? WTF?
> Tauros run over and over in a circle next to the farm that's isolated from everything else. Also that long summon charizard animation.
> ???

Kalos had a decent plot and good tools. ORAS has a crap plot but better tools (radar!). Alola has hula hikers.

Yes, so superior.

>>32926262
>Says fucking who?
>Sm were critically acclaimed, the only place with strong community backlash is vp, which is because most kids here are contrarian and also have autism
Why would you enjoy hanging around people you describe like this?

>>32926156
>couldn't even reply to me
This is what Alolasspain does to you. Think about that before looking into what are unanimously considered the worst Pokemon games.

>>32926074
>thinking normalfags have good taste
>when it has demonstrated the normal public will eat pure shit over and over no matter the franchise/industry
You fuck off, you piece of shit.
There are plenty of sites to talk about pokemon for people with your taste. You have gamefaqs, or neogaf, I don't understand why people like you insist on coming to a place where they hate most of the opinions.

>>32926353
> I don't understand why people like you insist on coming to a place where I hate most of the opinions.

Fixed it for you.

>>32926262
>only to use factual statements in an argument against biased ones
>stop blaming everyone and everything else for your own blatant insecurity
You are the worst kind of poster this site has.
The one that actually believes his opinions are objective facts while the rest of the board are just "biased" and subjective.
For you everyone who disagrees is wrong and what you say is the only and one truth.
You say you come here for in search of good discussion, but you're the kind of poster that makes that impossible.
Welp, I'm to tired of this kind of shit to be mad or whatver. So have a nice day anyway.

>>32926324
I know you're baiting but I'm posting from my phone rn (at airport)

>>32926313
>>32926353
>Why would people with other opinions want to post where I post?
Blatant underage

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>>32926485
It's not like anon is saying "I respectfully disagree with your opinion," he's saying "everyone here is an autist for not liking what I like and you all need to like SM because it's popular, not liking SM makes you a contrarian" and talking about how much he hates the /vp/ userbase.
Pic related

>>32926464

>You are the worst kind of poster this site has.
>The one that actually believes his opinions are objective facts while the rest of the board are just "biased" and subjective.

SM sales numbers are a fact.
SMs critically score is a fact.
You can look both of them up.

Oh my gosh do you ACTUALLY think you can speak on behalf of the entire board? Lmao how young are you anon

>>32926509

>he's saying "everyone here is an autist for not liking what I like and you all need to like SM because it's popular, not liking SM makes you a contrarian" and talking about how much he hates the /vp/ userbase.

Show me where any of this was ever said beyond your own quotes.

>>32926527
>SM sales numbers are a fact
But they haven't even sold more than XY.

>>32924321
So XY has more postgame than SM then?

Good to know.

>>32924142
>i type laughter that means im intellectually superior

fucking creep

>>32926548
Well he mentioned how not liking SM makes you a contrarian and how everyone here is an autist here:
>Sm were critically acclaimed, the only place with strong community backlash is vp, which is because most kids here are contrarian and also have autism
inb4 "he only used 'most' and not 'all' so it doesn't count!"
And as to "you all need to like SM because it's popular,"
>And not only are sm the most well received games since Gen 1 , they're also the highest selling. Pokemon is literally back to a peak in mainstream popularity. Pokemon is relevant again. Thank GO and SM.
He's using argumentum ad populum right here to try and defend SM, and combined with the earlier statement that people who don't like SM are contrarians, pretty blatantly implies that you have to like SM because it's popular. If he didn't think this, he wouldn't've called people who don't like SM contrarians.

>>32926198
My problem with 2mons+buff format is that you either luck out on anticipating/guessing memestrat offered by Totem and counter it as hard as you can, or are stuck with team that's completely incapable of outmemeing it and you need to grind until your chump can take on two mons at once, and then everything up to next totem could as well be Route 1 from Kalos because you ain't gonna lose anyway.

>>32926527
Looks like you think you can speak on behalf of the entire fandom to me. People like you always project their own retardation into others.
Summerfags are really the worse.

>>32924049
Where the fuck do you people come from? Gen 3 is probably the best generation after 4

>>32926564
Possibly? Why so

>>32926527
You're literally implying SM are good because they're popular and calling anyone who disagrees a "contrarian". The correlation "popular=good" has been proven stupid more times you can even imagine.
Even fucking /tv/ would have a field day with you. End yourself.

>>32926683
There's a tendency to hate the two gens that surround your favorite generation, which I find hilarious.
Personally, I don't think neither of those are the best gens, but they're fantastic and they have the two best regions.

Look, it all comes down to this: sales wise and popularity wise, Pokemon is doing great. It will still be around for fucking ever. Quality wise, it has dipped. Seriously dipped. Despite enjoying ORAS and SM (Fuck XY) the 3DS games have been boring, lazy slogs. The graphics are poor, the frame rates are sickening, level design is just meh now, music isn't quite as good imo, quality features are always removed at the whim of masuds, and single player post game is fucking non existent. The 3DS games will be remembered as lazy cash ins. Sure, the meta is better than ever, but we have showdown so who gives a fuck.

>>32926752
Welp, I agree with everything you said.

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>>32926683
Some people just dislike Gen 3 with a passion because it was when Pokémania fully died (some will argue it died in Gen 2 but it was still a lot bigger in GSC than after RS hit). Pokémon stopped being "cool" and some people who still played the games had to hide the fact that they still liked it.
I remember when HGSS came out. I was still in high school, but suddenly a mini-Pokémania shot up again, and everyone I talked to realized that everyone else had still played Pokémon after it stopped being cool but just kept it to themselves or only talked about it with one or two people that they knew also played. I personally had a "Gen 3 and Sinnoh are bad" phase for that reason but ended up really liking Emerald and Platinum after revisiting them. Some people let the context around the games' initial release taint the games themselves though. I'm not saying everyone who dislikes Gen 3 dislikes it for that reason of course, but I feel some of the blind hatred is because of that.

>>32926752
You said it better than I could. I think SM has some fantastic battle themes at least, a real step up over Gen 6, but I pin that on Ichinose coming back.

>>32926776
I feel I should clarify what I said about the music..there are a select few tracks from XY/SM that are awesome, but in general I find them less memorable. ORAS butchered RSE music.

>>32926806
>I personally had a "Gen 3 and Sinnoh are bad" phase for that reason but ended up really liking Emerald and Platinum after revisiting them
I experienced the same. Nowadays they're both among my favorites.

>>32926806
I was in middle school when DPPt were new, so I had that shitty phase then, but I've always had thick skin, so thankfully my memories of the games weren't tainted

>>32926074
>xyoras and sm were good
>xy

Honestly, I've seen normies shit on this game, too. Granted, some of it might be because they see more hardcore fans rip on it, and hate XY for some sort of "street cred."

>>32926074
Sorry bud, XY were garbage. The new pokemon were good, but that alone saves nothing. XY are the Smash bros Brawl of the franchise. A technically competent game that is still a piece of shit.

>>32926987
Pokémon Project M when

Alola has some of the worst breeding in the series and this is 4 years of fucking generic tropics

>>32924417
I did and I loved it.
Shame that yw3 had so much misses potential.

See, X and Y was the "dark age" for Pokémon IMO. It just felt dull boring and overhyped and is usually overlooked. Gen 6 had the shittiest spin-off games besides pokken. Obviously not as unpopular as gen 5 tho but it was such a shit generation but it was followed by Gen 7 which is arguably one of the best generations of all. If anything the golden age of Pokémon is making a slow but sure return even tho Pokemon will never have a true return to the golden ages of gens 2-4.

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>>32926806
I feel like the genwunner backlash is a direct result of the gen 3 bashing in the past. The complaints Unova had were similar to the ones Hoenn had back in the day. The difference being the Pokemon fanbase was younger and didn't know better back then. Going into gen 5 most saw the error of their ways and how ridiculous it seemed.

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>>32923744
Haven't touched Sun/Moon for months now, feels bad. Completely lost interest in competitive too and I used to play on battle sims almost every day. And with so many actually amazing games coming out this year I honestly barely remember USM is supposed to be coming out in November.

Will probably pirate it and beat it once and then return to other more interesting stuff. Playing Crash remake made me realize how much I actually miss when the games let you figure out stuff on your own.

>>32925923
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>>32930047
Not being able to trade between Gen 2 and 3 is what killed it for a lot of people, even without considering the "You still play Pokemon, you fuckin' baby?" Phase. Sure, they gave us FRLG, but no one cared about that. They wanted their ORIGINAL Pokemon, not replacements.
Then Sinnoh came and re-vitalized the series for late high-school and college people, especially due to all the newfangled features, significant increase in Pokemon due to skipping Gen 3, wireless play and notable competitive aspect compared to the "SIX MEWTWOS" of yesteryear back when that's all children could really think of.
Finally, before diving into the "Pokemon's alright again I guess!" point of Gen 6 and 7, we have Unova.
Despite having a nice surplus of optional areas to explore to combat complaints of railroading, the fast-paced nature of battles and putting a few spins on the usual shit, it was almost immediately shit on for having a linear (which is true, I won't try to pretend it isn't) layout and lack of older Pokemon until postgame.
Even if Unova would see a significant improvement to its fauna in B2W2, the damage was already done. Anyone who wasn't spirited away into the franchise again with Sinnoh basically said fuck it and wouldn't pay the series any mind until Gen 6 or 7, where GameFreak "apologized" with Kanto Pandering and vast varieties of Pokemon.
And now we're where we are today.

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>>32924049

>>32924247
>using reaction memes makes you an avatarfag