Leave OU to me

>>>/ubers/

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Nice metagame you've got there. Shame if anything happened to it... hehehe...

>>32923656
>>32923675
>Technician
NU

Banned day one.

>>32923931
>OU
>nice meta
Gen 7 OU is already shit

>>32923932
Garchomp is totally gonna be NU, look at that 4x weakness

>>32923946
UU is basically OU now
hopefully he is the hero we need to fuck dug stall

>>32923656
>>32923675
you all severely under estimate power creep
marshadow will start in OU and will move down to UU then possibly be banned to BL hell
cap this

>>32923656
Wait it's already out?

>>32923970
No Pokemon deserves the fate of being BL

>>32923951
>he

>Poses a threat to Landorous
>Immediately gets dumps in ubers

>>32923981
>has

>>32923983
What does it threaten Landorus with, Technician HP ice?

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>>32923983
really make you think

>>32923986
Actually yes.
20 SpA Technician Marshadow Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 292-348 (91.5 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

>>32923970
This. If Gengar became OU again despite losing levitate just because there's little to none ghost resists in the meta, then imagine a faster and physical gengar with unresisted STABs and Technician Shadow Sneak & Hidden Power.

>>32923986
Yep.

>4 SpA Technician Marshadow Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 288-340 (90.2 - 106.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

It dies after SR, and only defensive variants can boast to take a hit.

Clearly the superior set is swagger into thief

>>32924004
>Gengar falls to UU again because it can't compete with Marshadow

>>32923932
>shadow sneak
>rolling kick
>shadow punch
>force palm
>pursuit
>rock tomb
>acrobatics
>thief
>assurance

It has ALL those moves at its disposal that make use of technician alone on top of moves like close combat and spectral thief, and you bitch about it having technician?

>>32924012
>when your memes become reality
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-598950242
Hp ice is the better less fun option though

>>32924017
It's the whole "Greninja outclasses Starmie" all over again,

>>32923675
Sadly this is the most likely scenario

>>32923971
Out today in Japan after last night's premiere of the movie

>>32924167
No, the most likely scenario is that it lasts for a whole year in OU before the suspect test happens, then the community decides it's so used to a broken meta that he stays OU. The same thing will happen with Greninja.

>>32924170
Oh yeah the movie retelling of the beginning of Ash's journey right?

>>32924177
And the same thing has happened to Landorus, so its not like it doesn't have precedence.

>>32923985
no

>>32923998
>>32924004
These don't even have LO, which would be clear item of choice for Marshadow. Landorus isn't even remotely a counter to this thing.

>>32924209
>good ability

>>32924221
Landorus isn't really a counter for many things, Landorus is just really good at checking, as well as maintaining momentum.

>>32924221
>4 SpA Life Orb Technician Marshadow Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Landorus-Therian: 364-432 (95.2 - 113%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

Holy moly you're right. Marshadow's doomed.

I give it 2 weeks before it's Ubers

IT BEGINS

>>32923656
PSA: Marshadow's legal on showdown and Battle Spot free battles right now.

Proof: https://twitter.com/PokemonLegality/status/881769081044688896

Hop to it before he gets banned boys.

HAPPENING

>>32924091
it's a meme, some tard anon months ago complained it should've had adaptability instead

>>32924324
SWAGGER THIEF BOYS

>>32923656
i want to fuck marshadow

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>>32924091
>he doesnt know

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>people actually think he's going to get banned
This guy >>32924177 gets it. Smogon's past the point where they think bans will do anything to improve the meta. If they thought otherwise, at least one of Greninja, Magearna and Zygarde would've been tested and banned months ago before their tourney started.

More likely that he'll last long enough that people will get used to his brokenness so when the suspect test finally happens during Gen 8 hype season, he stays OU. I mean it's not like the OU meta can get any worse, so even they figure, why try? It's already happening with Greninja and Landorus-T. Besides, there are still things that can switch into it at +2, like M-Venusaur, Toxapex, Celesteela, and Tangrowth.

>>32923932
Force palm around your neck and shadow sneak blah blah blah

>Marshadow
>Magearna
>Landorus-T
>Zygarde
>the Greninja bros
>Tapu Lele
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>32924380
>Besides, there are still things that can switch into it at +2, like M-Venusaur, Toxapex, Celesteela, and Tangrowth.

Not if it's running 7-Star Strike.
Bulk Up + 7-Star Strike is the same idea as the Quiver Dance + Z-Hyper Beam set that got Pheromosa banned.

>>32924395
>>32924369
faggot

>>32924418
>people still complaining about Lele

>>32924434
yes
fuck this bitch

>>32924434
Well, people sit their toxapex in front of it and wonder how I one-shot it with Lele, so it does not surprise me people think it should be banned.

>>32924434
It's still broke as shit, the only reason it's not Uber is because Magearna, Greninja and Marshadow are more broken.

>rejoicing because my bro Clefable is in OU where it belongs
>now in order to use Clef I'll be dealing with this bullshit along with Magearna and the best Ice-type in the game

We should just bring in Mega meta, Mega kangaskhan, Gaygislash, Lando-i, blaziken, phero and Deoxys N and call it a day.

>>32924492
fuck off

>>32924499
Keep talking like that and we'l have Mega lucario too.

>>32924499
It's not like OU can get good anytime soon, so why not just let the meta go balls out crazy and chaos reign supreme? It'll be more funny anyway.

>>32924464
Still salt about Greninja being put in ubers

The people of smogon are a bunch of pussy bitches they turned Greninja into a suicide stealth rocks lead because everything else in Ubers totally fucking bodies him

GOTHITELLE UNBAN WHEN

>>32924170
That premere is on the 6th

>>32924519
worse than duggy

I miss early S/M already, at least that was trash with some fun pokemon.

>>32924516
Ubers is a banlist before being a tier of itself.

HOOPA IS STRONG

>>32924464
Greninja and Marshadow lose to Scarf Lele so I don't what the fuck you're talking about but Lele wouldn't be broken even if all three of them left the tier.

Lele's overrated as fuck and it's like /vp/ hasn't paid any attention or adapted to the meta in six months.

>>32924585
And lele loses to pretty much every 101 base speed scarfer, so that's not really something cool.

Probably OU. He's like latios tier has the decent speed and attack but fair bulkness. Plus you can't really abuse technician with this guy.

>>32924671
scissor only abuses BP and this nigga has even more stuff to make him broken even if you only use shadow sneak

>>32924380
>>32924177
Yup you guys basically hit the nail on the head as to what smogon does.

>>32924671
Technician allows him to run 4 EV Special Attack HP Ice and still murder Landorus, according to calcs done above. Not to mention Spectral Thief shits on set-up mons

>>32924698
not really i say that because shadow sneak isn't that power with technician the power comes to 60 dmg plus stab. But the main reason he wont get ban and stay in OU is because smogon already knows the meta can't be anymore broken then now and Mars wont really make a difference. Plus becuase he's fighting and we see how popular the tapus are or landours-T they easily count him

>>32924706
Screenshot those posts. He's going to stay in OU and you'll like it

>>32924737
Also I am talking about choice scarf landours. Not defensive because for Mars you wont really run choice scarf on him. This is previous Anon

Someone screen cap this thread to BTFO of existence all those tards when Marshadow gets banned.

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>>32924770
>giving lolsmogon that much credit
Say it with me

NEVER

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>>32924770
reminder

We just have to see Smogon is unpredictable at times. I mean people expected protean greninja to be re-ban once more but that didn't happen.

>>32923951
Monotype fag here. I've never seen dug stall. Could some one explain this meme to me?

>>32924808
dugtrio comes in and traps things that threaten stall, not much to explain

>>32924808
Stall only true weakness is stallbreakers and hyper agressive teams with Spikes Greninja, SR Lando and such. Duggy helps destroying everything else and keeps stall on the top, to the point one dude in a tournament pretty much never lost by just using a "Stall Dugtrio" team.

>>32924777
EVER

>>32924808
Usually carries sash and is used to trap and remove the one thing that could threaten your team

>>32924380
>Besides, there are still things that can switch into it at +2, like M-Venusaur, Toxapex, Celesteela, and Tangrowth

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 248 HP / 88 Def Venusaur-Mega: 289-341 (79.6 - 93.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Marshadow Force Palm vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Celesteela: 263-309 (66 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 252 HP / 192+ Def Toxapex: 207-243 (68 - 79.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 248 HP / 212+ Def Tangrowth: 235-278 (58.3 - 68.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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>I'm still relevant guys.

>>32924859
So she's basically Pheromosa II?

>>32924875
I like AV phys set but no.

>>32924882
>she

>>32924875
He's going to drop to UU

>>32924882
Nah. You could Quiver Dance and then Z-Hyper Beam everything with that thing.

It is pretty much everywhere (right now on the ladder) and there's no reason to not use it, so it's more like M-Metagross in that regard.

>>32924576
>>32924875
What am I missing?

>>32924923
Its almost UU/BL because nobody uses it, despite being banworthy a gen ago.

>>32924104
helps that he was playing against literally the dumbest motherfucker ever
>forgot his gengar was sashed
>solar beam against zapdos

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>dat design
>dat typing
>dat ability
>dat stat distribution
>dat movepool

And that kids, is how Malshadow becamd my favorite chibi legendary.

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>>32923656
It has begun.

>>32924929
Hoopa should have never gotten banned, that was one of the biggest mistakes in Gen 6 OU

>>32924914
>Nah. You could Quiver Dance and then Z-Hyper Beam everything with that thing.
see >>32924430

>>32924929
That's because Hoopa is dead weight against offense. And it's pretty bad against stall this gen because of Dugtrio.
Hoopa is only good against balance teams which are nearly non existent on the ladder, compared to gen 6 where balance teams were the most popular team archtype

>>32924899
Poe's Law strikes again, spaz.

>>32924221
Wouldn't Marshadium Z be a viable choice as well?

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>>32924963
>that gay webs team except with mimikyu on roids

>>32924963
>sticky web meme team but with le ghost of healthy meta
OU is dead

>>32925014
Imagine of memekyu got spectral thief

OU is dead
so much for muh 1500

>>32924963
Wow silver has shit taste in his team

>>32924770
>Darkrai stats with a better typing
>Magearna tier movepool for diversity
>Hard hitting exclusive Z move
>Signature move is one of the best Ghost attacks in the game and steals your stats
>Barely any Ghost resists in OU
>Technician Force Palm, Hidden Power, and Priority

>"new ghost type? that doesn't sound like something that TTar can't remove"
>

>>32925149
>Technician Force Palm
It has Close Combat, it doesn't need this meme.

>>32925149
Marshadow could have all of those things plus a Mega with Adaptability and Smogon wouldn't do anything about it because it's a dying artifact of Gen 3 Pokemon that can't function in its one purpose of providing a playable singles meta, and its members are well aware of it. That's why they're not suspecting anything that direly needs suspecting. They gave up.

Can he be traded yet on cart though?

>>32925149
>Barely any Ghost resists in OU
Cofagrigus to the rescue!

>>32925163
It can easily use both depending on the set. It is pretty diverse like I said.

>>32925168
But this lame ass meta isn't really smogons fault. Gamefreak doensn't understand the concept of balance. With over 800 Pokemon and thousand's of moves, some mons are bound to be better than others, aka, legendaries with high bst's and decent typings. On the other hand, some mons are only meta because they wall certian threats (tangrowth). I prefer RU and NU; you actually have to think when building a team. Lower tier mons have real flaws which requires one to work around.

>>32925149
>>Barely any Ghost resists in OU
fighting/ghost is completely unresisted anyway

>>32925288
That's the point though. The meta's so broken that even Smogon sees no point anymore in trying to fix it. If they did, Greninja would've been already banned.

This cavalier sort of apathy mostly applies to OU. Lower tiers ate different because they're run and played by niche enthusiasts with far more autism to spare.

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>mfw just learned that Spectral Thief first steals all of the opponents stat buffs THEN performs a damage calculation
Rip all relevant Swords Dance sweepers

>>32925352
How does it work with Speed boosts? Will it go first against a +1 Charizard X?

>>32925363
Zard X will go first. It's not good vs DD or QD users but great against Swords Dance and Bulk Up users.

>>32925363
It still has to get the attack off before it gets the boosts, so no it isn't going to out speed it on the turn you use thief. It will the next turn, of course. (Assuming it survives whatever Charizard has in store.)

>>32925337
And that's why RU and NU are the tiers I call home. Powercreep has gotten so bad even UU became a stall filled cancerfest (albiet to a lesser degree than OU). With thay said, FREE MEGA RAY

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>>32925375
>scarf marshadow
>revenge kill a mon that just SD'd up with spectral thief
>sweep rest of team because almost every common RK scarfer is below 125

>>32925421
Please don't - you'll get her banned.

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If it stay, can we unban darkrai pls?

>>32925434
honestly darkrai is less broken than marshmellow

>>32925434
With Dark Void being nerfed, it should.

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You know, I was one of those people that were saying that it will be quickbanned the moment it gets relased considering just how good it looks on paper. But that was me 6 months ago and with ORAS OU still fresh in mind. Now considering the current meta trends, all the changes that happened and just the state of the meta itself (and just how shittier it became somehow, I've been having more fun in RU and beta NU so far then in diet Ubers), I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to not be as broken as so many scream to the heavans that it is. People still sewar the Lele is the most broken mon in the tier and it, Gren and Lando should be kicked out, but the more I see these people the more I realise they are the same people that let there Clefable take a Gunk Shot from Greninja cause "it's bulky" or Toxapex eat a Zen Headbutt from Megacham and wonder why people call it a good mon. It WILL most likely get a suspect later on and get banned all things considered, but for now everything is up in the air.

Pic related because I have no idea what reaction image to use.

Anyone have a good team built around this thing yet? Or are people spamming that Sticky Web team but replacing Mimikyu with Marshadow?

pokeaim on twitch is using Marshadow on teams

>Midget Weavile on cocane and steroids
>IT WONT GET BANNED, I SWEAR!!!!
/vp/ continues to show their ineptitude.

>>32925375

Aren't M-Lopunny and M-Altaria being released soon? Fake Out + STAB from M-Lop does serious damage to it, and it's faster than Marshadow. M-Altaria can get off a DR, outspeed and not have to worry about Spectral Thief, and OHKO with Return. Maybe it won't be that broken when the new Megas are released.

>>32925588
So? Smogon will have already banned her by then.

>>32924929
That's because Magearna and Koko didn't exist in Gen 6, dummy.

>>32925588
That's assuming you have them out. Lopunny cannot switch into Close Combat and only defensive Malt can live an attack and that is only if there's no hazards.

>>32925613
I'm saying maybe their rationale for not quickbanning it the day it's released is because they want to see how the meta looks with the Mega Stones that are scheduled to be released soon.

I think overall it's going to get a suspect, they'll go over the versatility and no counters arguments, and find some way to paint it as the most broken mon ever. If it stays long enough to settle into OU, I guarantee you'll start seeing more versatile sets like bulky Spin blocker. It's resistant to Rocks, untrappable, and has a great offensive typing.

>>32925588
Lopunny will give it trouble as long as Scarf Marshadow doesn't become a thing (which it probably will in this clusterfuck of a meta)

Mega Altaria's going straight to UU so it's not going to matter.

>>32925629
>spin blocker
Why though? It's not like there are any good spinners in OU
>>32925637
Considering shit like Iron Defense/CM/Pain Split Mage is becoming a thing, Scarf Marshadow sounds very tame in comparison

>>32925637
> as Scarf Marshadow doesn't become a thing
I guarantee that it will. That allows it to outspeed Koko, one of the few things that can revenge Marshadow.

>>32925512
If Marshadow miraculously lasts for even a month, I'm gonna advocate the nomination of Arceus-Bug moving down to OU.

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>I was sent here to destroy you

>>32925637
M-Altaria was OU throughout ORAS and Lando-T was just as prevalent then. Pair it with a Magnezone and you've basically gotten rid of Ferrothorn, Scizor, Skarmory, and Celesteela. So what's left?

>Outspeeds Protean Gren after a DD, straight up walls Ash-Greninja
>the Tapus
Bulu doesn't have Fairy STAB and basically gets walled, defensive Fini is a problem but still susceptible to chip damage, Koko rarely runs Fairy STAB and HP Ice doesn't KO it and it's frail, Lele (especially Scarf) is a problem but Specs gets bopped: +1 252 Atk Pixilate Altaria-Mega Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 337-397 (119.9 - 141.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Opposing Magnezone go down to EQ, M-Metagross chipped as well with EQ, Nihilego revenge kills but can't switch into a predicted EQ, Magearna same thing chipped by EQ, it always has and always will struggle with Lando-T. I'm just not seeing how it isn't a great mon for the current state of OU.

>Beats Zygarde
>Doesn't have to worry about Levitate Gengar anymore
>Beats Marshadow after a DD
>Beats M-Lopunny after a DD
>Beats Keldeo, Heatran, Bisharp, etc.

It threatens almost every top tier threat in some way with just Pixilate Return/EQ paired with a Magnet Pull Magnezone.

>>32925690
*unsheathes marshadium*
heh,,,,, nice try

>>32925690
>252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Tapu Fini: 165-195 (48.1 - 56.8%) -- 40.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Good luck with that, worst Tapu.

>>32925725
>straight up walls Ash-Greninja
Greninja carries Ice Beam.

>>32925725
>Beats Marshadow after a DD
>+1 252+ Atk Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Altaria-Mega: 216-255 (74.2 - 87.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
scarf Marshadow with spectral thief can fuck Mega Altaria if not invested in defense; it just needs the sneaky pebbles damage and it's done

Can scarf Marshadow beat +1 Volcarona?

>>32925836
Doesn't Scarf Marshadow shit on every boosting sweeper in this meta bar Mimikyu or something

>>32925736
>>32925737
Both sets struggle against maximal defense Fini and Clefable

>>32925854
Marshadow shits on Mimikyu anyway because he'll still steal the boosts

>>32925853
It obviously can with Rock Tomb, so let's look instead at Spectral Thief.
>252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Marshadow: 202-238 (62.9 - 74.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 Atk Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 204-240 (65.5 - 77.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Yes, it can!

>>32925858
mimikyu can use shadow sneak first so it's a suicide

>>32925858
Shadow Sneak. And I don't expect Scarfed variants bringing their own sneak either

>>32925867
You forgot to calc Marshadow at +1 SDef.

>>32924967
I don't think you had much experience with the gen VI meta, because Hoopa-U absolutely had to go.

>>32924487
whats the best ice type?

>>32925889
You're right.
>252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. +1 0 HP / 0 SpD Marshadow: 135-160 (42 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Not even a Z-Crystal set can save Volcarona in that case.
>252 SpA Volcarona Inferno Overdrive (185 BP) vs. +1 0 HP / 0 SpD Marshadow: 226-267 (70.4 - 83.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>32925906
It's that fucking frog.

>>32925581
It's more like a midget physical Darkrai but instead of Dark Void he has Swagger.

>>32925725
>M-Altaria was OU throughout ORAS and Lando-T was just as prevalent then.
Altaria was irrelevant by the end of ORAS and was on the verge of falling out of the tier right before Sun and Moon came out.

http://www.smogon.com/stats/2016-10/ou-1695.txt
| 72 | Altaria-Mega | 1.71567% | 111122 | 1.965% | 77487 | 1.859% |

>Pair it with a Magnezone and you've basically gotten rid of Ferrothorn, Scizor, Skarmory, and Celesteela. So what's left?
Magearna, best mon in the tier, the one who Shift Gears in Altaria's face? The one who beats Magnezone 1v1 with Aura Sphere/Z-Fighting or can just Volt Switch to Duggy?
Dugtrio is A+ rank and everywhere right now. Needing Magnezone's help just to FUNCTION in this meta isn't a good thing at all, especially with Dugtrio around.

>beats zygarde, marshadow, lopunny, blah blah blah
I see all this and think that Magearna could all that with the Shift Gear, the right coverage moves, and without needing Magnezone or a mega slot.

>>32925737
Really, Fini is worst Tapu?, I always thought that
Lele>=Koko>Fini>buku

>>32926003
nowadays it's more like
bulu >= koko > lele > fini, but marshadow might bump down bulu and bump up lele until it gets the boot

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I just developed a strategy for marshadow, and I can't stop winning. I won't tell you guys though

>>32926003
Now it's Bulu > Koko=Lele > Fini

Yes, Bulu's the best one right now.

>>32926023
>>32926025
What changed?, my 3DS is kill and meanwhile I'm temporaly outdated.

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>>32926003
January was 5 months ago.

>>32926040
It cock blocks Zygarde and it doesn't have Mega Metagross threatening it anymore so now it can actually wallbreak shit.

>>32926051
Yes, at that ime I was full MHGen then it died on march.

>>32924166
>>32924177
>>32924199
>>32924499
>>32924522
>>32924533
>>32924711
>>32924777
>>32924899
>>32924999
>>32925288
>>32925588
>>32925933
checked

>>32926040
magearna is everywhere now, and it stops lele cold
bulu is great because of the fairly recently discovered SD z wood hammer sets, which can do shit like this
+2 252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tangrowth in Grassy Terrain: 420-495 (103.9 - 122.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
and this
+2 252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Magearna in Grassy Terrain: 453-533 (124.7 - 146.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
fini dropped because it's super easy to wear down, and tends to just defog once and die, letting the opp set rocks up again. Hazard control is real shitty rn.

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>>32926087
>+2 252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tangrowth in Grassy Terrain: 420-495 (103.9 - 122.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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>>32925637
I already use scarf Marshadow

>>32926087
>magearna is everywhere now, and it stops lele cold
It's much more than just Magearna, I wish people would stop boiling it down to just that. Lele has a bunch of metagame trends going against it right now.

101+ scarfers are everywhere thanks to Volcarona which makes the scarf set shit.
Tyranitar and Weavile are coming back into the meta so Choice locking into Psychic moves just makes it Pursuit bait.

It NEEDS both Psychic and Psyshock on the same set to actually do its job: beating defensive teams. The most common set is Psychic/Psyshock/Moonblast/HP Fire, which leaves it walled by Heatran, AV Magearna, SpDef Celesteela, and Mew. People can use Shadow Ball, Thunderbolt, Focus Blast, and their respective Z-moves all they want but when that big bad stall team comes around you're fucked.

But, oh wait, it doesn't even fucking matter what it uses vs stall because they all have Dugtrio to immediately put the kibosh on that shit.

The fact that people here still think Lele is broken is mind boggling.

>>32926187
I was just touching on the biggest point, but thanks for fleshing lele's fall out. 'Member shed shell lele?

>>32926228
>'Member shed shell lele?
You're joking, right?

>>32926228
I actually used that bullshit for a while but it took me forever to realize that it was trash.

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>used the project pokemon .wc7 file to inject the japanese marshadow into moon
>open up battlespot to try a free battle
>battlespot say it has "a banned move"
>can't use it

What do?

>>32926249
It was a big thing back when Dugtrio got suspect tested

>>32926296
One: what's the move set?
Two: it's still not released officially yet. july 15th

>>32926355
Spectral Thief, Drain Punch, Rock Tomb and Ice Punch. But ah, the fact it's still unreleased will be why. Thanks, Anon.

>>32924904
You mean BL, UU is too faggy to allow something cool like that.

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>>32925352
ALMOST all of them :)

>>32925352
There's a reason why every mon ever has that move in Balanced Hackmons.

>>32926511
252 Atk Choice Band Technician Marshadow Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pinsir-Mega: 123-145 (45.3 - 53.5%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
There's a chance!

>>32926087
not to mention the all out pummeling set beats the cookie cutter stall team if it hits skarm right

>>32926547
If you've already mega evolved Pinsir and the rocks are up on your side, you've fucked up hard enough that you kinda deserve it. 90% of the time if Pinsir comes in on Stealth Rocks it's in base form, not already evolved.

>>32926087
Is Magearna the new Lando? I swear that if you're not using it right now you're in a disadvantage, considering only stall and other Marshadows can give it a good fight.

>>32924104
>focus sash
>destiny bond

>>32926622
No since that's never been the case with Lando

>>32926623
literally fresh account on the bottom of ladder.
You never know what to expect from those guys.

>>32926622
Yeah, except Magearna is cute.

>>32926296
How do you use Wc7 files.

>>32926666
Drag and drop into an empty slot in pkhex

>>32926659
>implying Lando isn't cute

>swagger with prankster + spectral thief in doubles
seems unstoppable

>>32926837
I don't know what it is about her that makes me fucking diamonds.

>>32926847
Muscle loli

>>32926763
I never thought about that combination. That definitely looks dangerous.

>>32924380
>he

>>32926847
>her
It might be the eyes.

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>>32923656
Hey there, Marshadow. It would be a shame if I removed your boosts.

>>32926857
the only problem is that it's not bulky enough and its attacks are all one target only

>>32924091
>being this new

>>32923656
OU is irrelevant. Will it be good in VGC?

new meta: use debuff moves so Marshadow can only steal negative changes

>>32924004
>0HP

>>32926890
It doesn't steal stat decreases, though. Only increases, unless I'm mistaken.

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>>32926870
>90/80/90
>on a fast pokemon
>not bulky enough
really?

ITT: 1 hour post release theorymon

epic

>>32926881
Pair it with Swagger Prankster and watch while the world collapse before your own eyes

>>32926881
>will this pokemon banned from VGC be good in VGC?
yes

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>get on ladder at ~1500-1600
>every single team is running marshadow
>myself included

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>>32926847

>>32926917
No one's running Stall? Or are they packing Marshadow, too?

>>32926881
Your meme format bans it so no.

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>>32926917
well yes, it's new, we all want to try it

>>32926917
>1500-1600
wow nice
congratulations on the borderline elo hell rank

>>32926862
They certainly are pretty.

ayy http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-599116372

>>32925375
>what is shadow sneak?

>>32925434
>smogon unbanning anything after the beginning of a gen

>>32927231
>reading comprehension

I been using and facing marshadow, not having a hard time against it except the webs teams which got way more cancerous with it, been watching a few 1800 and up matches and like 8 out 10 are webs with smeargle/galvantula with marshadow. Are they gonna pull a baton and nerf or ban webs because marshadow and m-pinsir wreck everything slower than them ?

I want to pat Marshadow's head

someone post a wc7 file

>>32927193
How in the name of the fuck do you deal with something like that?

>>32927252
They better not because if they ban webs but not stealth rock, the amount of bitching from the people will be enough to put any SJW to shame.

>>32927463
Have more than 4 pokemon.
Don't set up on his face.

>>32927463
By getting it quickbanned. :^)

So is this thing released or what?

>>32927760
Yes, and it's as bad as people predicted. it's for all intents and purposes the new Mega Metagross.

>>32927849
what is supposed to check marshadow, gross at least had scizor

>>32927901
M-Pinsir and most scarfers, only if they're healthy. And that's assuming the Marshadow you're fighting against isn't scarfed.

all this thread has told me is that Marshadow is really good

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Is Marshadow the first pokemon broken enough to force the mods to lock a thread just so they can stop asking for its ban?

>>32928071
The same thing was happening with Pheromosa at the beginning of SM. Eventually people found ways to check it.

>>32928071
Too early to tell, Marshadow just got released so people are still testing it to see what it can do, people are still adaptating to it so give it a week if not quickbanned its either suspected or here to stay.

>>32928096
And it still got banned with high majority

>>32928213
That was after people started to play aroud with quiver dance which made the bug broken since stuff which used to handle it not named A-Marowak and Mimikyu falled flat to Z-Hyper Beam, Focus Blast, Bug Buzz, you had to guess with set it was and after that which Z-move it got, before that it was considered good but not broken.

Is Spectral Thief even that useful? Seems so situational.

>>32928482
It's the most spammable ghost type move

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>>32926869
Hey there Skarmory, it would be a shame if I Close Combatted your ass to death before you could even blink

>+2 252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 282-333 (84.6 - 100%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

>/vp/ unironically thinks this won't be banned

This board is on par with Verlisify when it comes to understanding competitive.

>>32928482
>90BP ghost attack in a tier with non-existent ghost resists
>one of the most broken secondary effects in the game
>situational

what did he mean by this

>>32928482
Predict Toxapex or Tangrowth is going to switch into you? Swagger on them, steal the boost and kill them the next turn.

Z-Fly Lando just used Swords Dance! Steal that shit and kill him.

Oh no, Clefable just Calm Minded up to +6! Steal it, now you have +6 Sp.Def and it can't touch you.

It has plenty of applications as long as you don't do dumb shit like letting Volcanora/random Dragon Dance users set up on you.

>>32928071
He only did this so he could shit up the ladders with his new toy.
This is why Suspects are taking so damn long to start up, and that we had an entire month wasted on Dugtrio, cause all the big wigs are playing around with the busted mons.

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I love watching Smogon crash and burn. Can't wait to watch either every Pokemon get banned or the floodgates opened from UBER. Those faggots deserve it.

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>>32923656

Yea I'm quiverin in my boots yah fuckin lil biitch. I have ur number one paralyze and u get fuct.

Too much bronze in Smogon, watch ur ass get ccked.

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Theres only one thing left to do...

IKU ZE

>>32928605
>random Dragon Dance users set up on you
but I run sash to steal them boosts

>>32928482
>azumarill use belly drum
>marshadow use spectral thief
>marshadow use shadow sneak

aw shit

>normal types would be safe from spectral thief
>give it fighting type
thanks game freak

How long till the trading flag is up?

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>blocks your path

>>32928577
Anon, do you have an aneurism? the consensus is that it will be banned on sight, Spectral thief is too fucking broken

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>>32929211

0 Atk Sableye-Mega Knock Off vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Marshadow: 51-60 (15.8 - 18.6%) -- possible 6HKO
+1 252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 248 HP / 116 Def Sableye-Mega: 348-409 (114.8 - 134.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Marshadow subs to block will-o-wisp, bulks up once while sableye can't break the sub, and OHKOs.

>>32928605
not even DD users are safe, if marshadow is scarfed game over

>>32929343
I would really like to run scarf, but those nice OHKOs on Landorus are too nice not to have.

Shit like this makes me miss Blaziken.

>being Smogon drones

Defensive Mandibuzz with Foul Play

You're welcome.

So what kind of dumb excuse are they giving for not quick-banning this thing?

>>32929506
We want the meta to settle down and see checks surface :)

>>32929473
It's the Aegislash meta 2.0

I love that Mandibuzz only ever comes back when there's a Ghost type that's getting out of control.

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>>32924369
I was there for that one.

Good shit.

Heads up fags

The mega stones for Lopunny, Gardevoir, and Gallade are legal now. Expect them to be up on showdown later today.

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>>32924962
Same here my man. And I hate legends

>>32929473
2hko'd by technician rock tomb

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>>32929678
will my favourite mega be good this gen or will it still just be overshadowed by medicham

>>32926086
Lynch yourself you filthy [s4s] faggot

>>32929761
honest question, how do you like gallade? Always thought the oval hips and the mega's flesh cape were really off-putting. It'll actually be ok this gen, though. The immediate 110 speed is huge. Probably still worse than lop and medi, but considerably better than it was in ORAS.

>>32929761
Marshadow both shits on it and does its job better. Gallade got cucked again.

>>32929761
as usual, there is no reason to pick it over medicham/lopunny
cucked again lmao

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Finally, the return of the bird of healthy meta.

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>>32929973
*unzips stone edge*

>>32929992
*outspeeds you*
*knocks off your item*
*reveals godly physical bulk*

>>32929992
*unzips foul play*

>>32930003
mandibuzz probably wouldn't even bother with knock off, just ohko with foul play

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>>32929473
>>32929973
>>32929590

she will be well received

>>32929940
m-maybe it wont get banned from UU this time...

The cookie cutter Sticky Web team with Marshadow on it is OD good. If nothing outspeeds it, nothing beats it.

>>32924179
Not quite, it tells an original plot that happens to begin with Ash meeting Pikachu.

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*blocks your path*

>>32930325
*switches to any pokemon above PU*

>>32929067
Unless Marshadow is sashed Z-Belly Drum Azumarill beats it one vs one

>>32930325
>Marshadow will make worst mega go up to OU because it's the only thing that counters him
Is there anything he can't do?

Seeing quite a bit of ghostspam. Mostly Marshadow with Mimikyu, in and out of the sticky webs team.

>>32930557
Better send in your dark types to wall them haha.

>>32930557
That's what happens when there are practically no ghost resists in the tier.

>>32929254
>he really thinks the higher ups aren't abusing their power to put off banning it to get cheap wins for as long as possible
We just want to let the meta settle for a (((few months))) to let checks surface, preezu undastando ;)

>>32930567
It's not even the ghost resists. It's the fact that they can hit hard anything that resists ghost too. Weavile Bisharp and TTar are all weak to fairy or x4 weak to fighting. Mega Lopunny is also weak to both of them, Chansey can't do jackshit to either of them and Diggersby has a hard time fitting in the meta despite hitting pretty hard.

>>32930056
>>32930557
What's the sets like on these web teams?

>>32930595
Both of their STAB combinations are (mostly) unresisted by the entire Pokedex, and both can hit sorta hard.

rocky helmet ferro and lando sort of worked from some games I played. Ferro on the shadow sneak/spectral thief as they take 30% if they're LO, then double to lando to eat the CC, then double again to something that can eat a -1 hit and ko back

>>32930623
Scarf Lando? Because just 4 EVs and a neutral nature in SpAtk OHKO's Landorus with HP Ice.

>Leave No You to me

>>32930824
>>32930832
Who?

>>32930728
I actually was running scarf, but either way you can just hard double after getting the intimidate off. Granted this goes out the window if the marshadow predicts right and HP ices on the switch instead of clicking anything else

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>>32930838

>>32930876
>xe

>>32929211
This anon has a point. I can't really see what marshadow can do to mega sableye.

Ban when?

This faggot thread was the only one to survive the purge? Fucking lame.

>>32930897
Mega Sableye user here. I've survived bulk up+SSSSS, with a well timed protect, he got burnt, bulked up to +6 and still couldn't break past Sableye. In general Sableye is a pretty safe switch into it, however Choice Band can deal 50% on the switch, if they somehow got some chip damage on you before that you're pretty much toast and if he Swaggers on the switch and gets lucky with confusion he'll deal a ton of damage, you may burn him, absolutely, but Sableye will definitely faint if he doesn't hit himself in confusion. And if Misty Terrain is up he gets the boosts for free without risking confusion or burn.

>>32929211
>252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 248 HP / 116 Def Sableye-Mega: 140-165 (46.2 - 54.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

>>32930965
>116 def
>after stealth rock

>>32930957
>>32930957
The pikachu thread survived too

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>>32926934

>>32931017
Jesus

>>32931017
What elo is this

>>32931017
perfect

>>32924999
90 bp thief becomes a 195 bp nuke

tapu fini btfo

>>32931017
/me tips

>>32931017
i don't get it

Even P-Don can't switch in on Marshadow. He'll last a week.

>it just got banned from UU doubles
rip, at least it was fun for a night

>>32931026
Not sure, I found it on this tweet and had a good laugh
https://twitter.com/Thunderblunder7/status/881977010263863296

>>32930325
>make the only gen 5 mega
>it's fucking audino with 50 extra points in defense and a shitty ability forced upon you once you mega evolve
for what pvrpose

>300+ replies
>We will still be on page 1 for a while thanks to the raid nuke
This nigga just transcended bump limit, can he be stopped at all?

>>32931017
I fought this guy. He was fucking terrible.

>dual STABs give perfect coverage leaving it free to run whatever the hell it wants in the last two slots
>Technician STAB priority
>decent special attack and Technician allow it to use HP to fill any gaps in it's set
>sets that would be perfectly viable in Ubers due to it's combination of speed, power, and bulk
>outspeeds Greninja along with most other "fast" pokemon
>can boost with impunity due to how easily it can force switches and beat past any supposed "counters" with it's Z-move
>stops the opponent from setting up until they can take it out
>he has no counters
>he has no checks
>this healthy ghost sweeps the pokedex

>>32931138
>>he has no counters
>>he has no checks
>>this healthy ghost sweeps the pokedex
gold

>>32925690
>>32925854
*unsheathes Poison Jab*
heh,,, nothin personell.. fairies....

>>32931130
Also if you're gonna use Marshadow on stall you should relinquish Duggy and just use Scarf with Pursuit.

>>32931164
>Marshadow has Pursuit
TTar might finally drop

>>32931080
https://twitter.com/Thunderblunder7/status/882036123350032384
That explains why I saw this shitty set being used today.

>>32931171

Lmao not even close

>>32931171
>immune to psychic
>weak to psychic
pick one

>>32931096
>tfw no Mega Golurk
I'm still mad.

*unzips Mandibuzz*

>>32931840
+1 252 Atk Marshadow Close Combat vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 199-235 (47.2 - 55.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+1 0 Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Marshadow: 271-319 (84.4 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>32931185
thats not a shitty set its actually very good

Still alive

How does Technician work with Pursuit? The 40 BP becomes 60, but what happens when the BP doubles on the switch? Does the 60 BP become 120, or does it become 80 because it loses Technician once it gets over 60 BP?

>>32933731
It just becomes 80.

>>32933765
Thanks

>>32933634
bumpp

>>32934871
It's okay, anon. We sleep now.

>>32930595
Bisharp isn't weak to Fairy.