How do you stop this epic trio of balance?

You don't

Is ferro there just because rain weakens fire? Also does rain make fire just x2 or x3.5

>>32904916
yea, pretty much
since ferro really only has one actual weakness in fire (fighting does not count) it's basically removing any possible one hit kill

>>32904901
Fighting, grass, electric

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>>32904901
*blocks your path*

>>32904901
Rain teams are a sub 1400 meme

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>>32904901
hello

i wish i could delete pelipper from existence

>>32904957
you know electric type is a thing, right?

>>32904947
this is very true.
I was laddering on a new alt last week and rain was extremely common around 1200 - 1400 elo.
At 1500+ rain is really rare.

>>32904970
you know swampert is a thing, right

>>32904988
grass in your ass

With a ferro of your own.

>>32905057
Interesting

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>>32904901
>female swampert

>>32905001
you know ferrothorn is a thing, right?

>>32904944
>>32904955
252+ Atk Swampert-Mega Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard-Mega-Y in Sun: 194-230 (65.3 - 77.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Swampert-Mega Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard-Mega-Y in Sun: 194-230 (65.3 - 77.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

makes you think huh

>>32905094
cool now do the calc where zard switches into pelipper the moment it goes in since pelipper can't do a thing to it

>>32905111
specs hydro is a guaranteed 2hko

or they can uturn

>>32905111
ah yes the "this opponent is smarter" argument
no shit the smarter one will win

>>32905118
Specs hydro isn't a thing, even then zard outspeeds and can roost until pelipper runs out of pp/misses.
>>32905121
This is one of the worst posts I've seen on /vp/

Smogonwash + Steelkill UFO + Rocky Helm Swampbender.

>>32905281

why do you type in riddles

>>32904901
The first thing that come to mind is belly drum azumaril with superpower.

>>32905131
>Specs Hydro isn't a thing

Hello sub 1200!

>>32906174
specs Pelipper is terrible
Pelipper is only outside of PU because it's great rain support, why would you gimp it by giving it no bulk no recovery and fewer rain turns

Mega Venasaur?

>>32906194
Specs Pelipper does a lot of damage though, it's surprisingly hard to switch into and great at punching holes for Mega Swampert. Of course, because it's a less reliable and durable rain setter, people will run a backup Rain Dance user such as Klefki or Mega Swampert itself.

>>32905294

Why Superpower? Knock Off clean OHKOs Ferrothorn at +6.

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>*unzips hail*
>*sets screens*
>*freeze-dries you*
heh, nothing personnel... kid

>>32907024
>Ferrothorn used Gyro Ball!

>>32904901
dude landorus lmao

>Swinub used Thunderbolt!
>Sunkern used Leafage!
>Riolu used Ember!

>>32907107
>*switches to Volcarona*
>*sets up two QD's with aurora veil up*
>*outspeeds swampert*
>*sweeps*

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>>32907140

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>>32907151
>heatran
>on a rain team

>>32904901
Thunderbolt, Giga Drain, Fire Punch

>>32907303
Literally eelektross, who is immune to swampert's equake

>>32907352
yeah and waterfall only does a clean 70
and if you get flinched you die

>>32907376
And if you dont you ohko him and recover almost all health back.

God the number of casuals in this thread is amazing, haven't they ever heard of switching out?
Grass types can't touch Ferrothorn
Electric types can't touch Swampert
Fire types can't touch either Swampert or Pelipper

>>32907352
Eelektross is shit, name something that isn't useless

>>32907393
that's why they weaken you slightly before attacking with swampert you silly. the most it has going for it is "they can't switch in" assuming you get the prediction right.

honestly you're better off just saying mew.

AV Tangrowth with HP fire

>>32904901
koko

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>>32904901
>The Smogon Council has elected to ban the combination of Drizzle + Swift Swim in the OU tier

>>32904901
By knowing that they'll lead with Pelipper.
You could lead with something like Heliolisk and, knowing they'll switch to Swampert to avoid the OHKO by tbolt, donk with Grass Knot.

>>32907163
People used to use Volcarona on Rain teams.

>>32907410
>it wont work because everything goes the opponents way and you dont have other 5 mons to use, and he will weaken your e-tross first :(

>>32907418

I feel like pelliper with hurricane could take that down

>>32907465
>0 SpA Pelipper Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tangrowth: 164-194 (40.5 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

using smogon common variants

>>32907457
yep, it's pretty tricky to beat competent players with competent teams using bad pokemon. i'm glad you've learned your lesson, anon.

>>32907490
You're retarded, eelektross beats that core easily. If you fear waterfall flinch you can just switch eelektross to eviolite luvdisc to tank the hit and then outspeed everything

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>>32904901
Haven't run into this, what format and what sets?

>>32907023
Either way, it was the first thing that came to mind.

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>>32904901
Y'ALL MOTHERFUCKERS NEVER LEARN

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>>32904901
>Swolepert is good now
What went right?

>>32911190
Pelipper

>>32905118
Who the fuck puts specs on pelipper? Damp Rock is the whole reason you use the damn thing!

if you're using a rain team then I know you're not a good player

>>32904901
I just like overpowering people, fuck math

I use this core, with Tapu Koko, Swift Swim Omastar, and Healing Wish Latias.

Bulky Supersonic Skystrike Gyarados fucks with that core so hard, especially if it has substitute so it can hit my Tapu Koko when I try to switch it in. If Pheromosa wasn't banned it would destroy it all too. Protean Greninja with the right sets and predictions can cause some trouble, and Volcarona with 2 Quiver Dances (send it in vs Ferrothorn, I guess) has destroyed me too, although usally I just send in Pelipper or Swampert and kill it before it can do too much. Charizard Y rarely does too much to me, Tyranitar is actually more annoying even though people don't use it as much as they used to. Also those gay ass Sticky Web teams, been thinking about cutting one of my guys, probably Latias, for a Bisharp just for that.

>>32907454
Because it could run Hurricane and HP water, retard

Now, again, what purpose does Heatran have on rain teams?

>>32904901
>elo hell rain teams
okay buddy

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>>32907544
>eviolite luvdisc

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>>32904901
i sweeped a dudes rain team with THICC waifu of steel before so its not that hard

>>32911312
le this is elo hell you suck ha ha lole

rain + ferrothorn is retarded enough as is

>>32906194
specs pel has gotten usage all over the place lmao what

>>32905094
252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Swampert-Mega: 412-488 (101.9 - 120.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Yeah, it does make you think!

Mega Alakazam with Energy Ball.

>>32904901
Are we forgetting that mega slowbro learns flamethrower?? 252+ special att, 252+ defence, trickroom flamethrower grassknot slackoff ?? can 1v3 easyly, or flamethrower grassknot slackoff icebeam and support for bulky manidbuzz tailwind?? come on guyz

>>32907465
if it hits

>>32911207
ha but i use that golduck weather counter muther fucka XD

>>32911301
be causeee its heated so it runs man god dude 1+1 doesnt always equal fish newfag

>>32912823
How the fuck do you miss Hurricane on a Pokemon with Drizzle?

>>32904916
Rain halves damage from fire. That modification is counted separately from type effectiveness, so it's 4*0.5 = 2* what it would usually be.

Mega Charizard Y

>>32912845
This is a horrible post

I've been using a modified version of my new Mono Electric team.

Mega Manectric, Koko, Defog Zapdos, and Raichu plus Genie of a Healthy Meta. I've been playing around with AV Tangrowth, Zdrum Azumarill, and a few others like Dusclops and Slowbro. To try to one up any support for the rain trio but I can't seem to find a fit for everything. Especially with Zygarde's presence.

>>32911353
bet you think serperior is top ou material too

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>>32907544
>Evoilite Luvdisc

I think the answer to this question is SD/Grass attack/Superpower/Stone edge Rockium or Fightium Z, but preferably Rockium Z, Tapu Bulu.
Outspeeds Pelipper and OHKOs unboosted with Z-Stone Edge.

252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 248 HP / 196+ Def Pelipper: 326-384 (100.9 - 118.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Now after you kill the Pelipper lead you'll likely have to switch out because Superpower doesn't OHKO Ferrothorn without a Swords Dance, and you're at risk of taking a SE Gyeo Ball. But after their weather setter is dead you can just kill turns until Rain is gone and use even more conventional means of killing Ferro (Magnezone, HP Fire Nihilego, Heatran, Fire Fang/Blast Chomp, etc.).

>>32904901
Go! Any Pokemon with Freeze-Dry!

LO Torn has no switchins on rain. In theory you could trade mon for mon with Swampert and have the initiative as long as you get the first kill.

>>32915273

Rotom-W

>>32915273
>>32915290
And Rotom-H, for that matter. Can't really break opposing Skarmory under Rain either.

>>32904901
The answer is just use Tapu Bulu

that's literally it

Typical Pellipper run Scald/U-turn/Roost/Defog so it's not even like you'd have to worry about the Hurricane

>>32915290
>>32915301
I don't know that Rotom is typically seen on rain teams. What I meant was that Torn can lead against Pelipper and get a kill with LO Hurricane—leaving little counterplay on rain except to take 60% with Koko or sack and bring in Swampert. This allows you to trade mon-for-mon with rain until you can find a foothold.