What was the more stupider concept, Megas or Z-Moves?

I'm smelly and I like to meme

Also mega evokutions

>>32884040
Megas

Megas made some unviable shitmons viable like Mawile and Pinsir, while Z-moves only made good mons better.

>>32884040
ash greninja

>>32884040
z-moves because they take fucking forever. cutscenes also take fucking forever. everything takes fucking forever in sm

Megas are way less applicable and flexible that Z moves

>>32884040
Alola starters

>>32884079
t. falseflagger

>>32884040
Both of them are idiotic. And don't forget the fairy type.

Tough decision, cause I honestly dislike both for the sake of being too gimmicky instead of actually improving gameplay.

Megas feel more fun than Z-Moves (the latter wastes time with fancy animations), and less insulting (some cuck using a Z-Move to defeat me online when they could easily just finish off the battle with a normal attack).

So, Z-Moves are a waste.

>>32884064
This
case closed

They're both equally as stupid, with only Z-Moves reigning on top because of the obnoxiously retarded dances.

A-bilities

Megas are more retarded by design because they're clearly playing favorism with specific mons and you can't have more than one per team. Z-Moves are more retarded in practice for reasons everyone else has already mentioned.

>>32884143
I don't know, i'd actually argue the best scenarios for Mega Evolution are for Pokemon that are capable without them or if they have 2 completely different ones like Charizard

>>32884040
z moves are way, way worse
There are a fuckton of interesting megas, some of which even make crappy pokemon like Mawile or Beedrill or even Charizard good.

95% of z-moves are exactly the same attack with a small damage variation, and most of the rest just do the "reset your stats to 0" bullshit. The only z moves that aren't boring and useless are the +1 to everything ones

>>32884159
Snatch Hoopa is fun.

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>>32884159
>a small damage variation

>>32884040
Fairy type was dumber than both

>>32884040
Megas don't involve retarded dance animations and actually helped make some shitmons viable.

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>>32884040
>more stupider

>>32884064
Megas also made certain good mons objectively broken.

>>32884040
Z moves are worse by far. Those cringey dance moves, I don't even

Megas are just awesome, I don't get why people would hate on them. It does change the meta for the better.

>>32884486
Yeah i sure did like having to bring a counter to mega kangaskhan every single fight

>>32884064
Not only that it made said shitmons relevant again without leaving them behind. Like what happened with Gen4 evolutions. Gen5 did attempt to remedy that with Eviolite and HAs, but it only really worked on a handful of pokemon.

The dance moves are the best part of the Z-moves, what the fuck?

>>32884040
They're both equally shit and a perfect example of the power creep that fucks the balance of the game. Same goes for Fairy-types, another example of fucking the game mechanics when a simple buff to Ice would have achieved the desired goal.

Which Z move had the best dance and which Z movie had the best animation?

I liked Bug for looking like pincers but Dragon's animation always lookee great

>>32884040
From most to least stupid:
>Ash-Greninja
>Megas
>Z Moves
>Alolan Forms

>>32884040
Both are dumb and stupid concepts, but z-moves are dumber since it requires less effort

>>32884515
>2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>32884717
>This

The Z moves shouldve just been signature moves. Alolan Exeggutor giga kek

Megas are complete shit.

Z-Moves are 90% shit.

>>32884040
Conceptually, Megas for sure. It could have been a fantastic way of making weak Pokemon relevant.
Execution-wise, they both sucked.

>>32884068
>>32884717
Fuck off contrarian scum.

>>32884486
Megas look more cringey than the dance animations. They make the Pokémon look like some deviantart donut steel shit.

That implies Mega Evolution was ever dumb, Z-Moves are only dumb in execution

I miss gen 5

>>32884040
As a concept? Z-Moves are stupider. Mega Evolution is fine idealistically and in fact could've been amazing if they gave megas to mons who needed them instead of mons that would sell copies of the game.

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>want to have Ash Greninja in my team
>can't handle not being the OT

z-moves < megas < exclusive z-moves
in terms of stupidity

>>3288404
At least Megas made some shitmons somewhat useable. Z-Moves are just annoying.

Pic related was dumber than both

>>32885197
How is it contrarian when most people agree?

Friendly reminder that only underage hate Mega Evolution.

>>32884663
>Z-Movie

Does the South Park movie count?

>>32885102
>someone disagrees with me
>they must be underage

???

>>32885102
>caring about rules that aren't porn-related

>>32885197
Greninja is cool, but ash-greninja is deviantart-tier, sorry anon your taste is shit

>>32888298
>>32888386
You tards do realize that Ash-Greninja is extremely popular everywhere in the entire world, right? Sorry that you're ass angry that your taste is objectively bad.

>>32888400
>popular things are good

Fuck off, Family Guy fan.

>>32888400
To be fair it's popular because of Greninja itself.

>>32888324
Here's your (You)

Megas

>>32884040
Battle Bond and whatever shit gimmick you wanna call what Zygarde has.

>>32884064
Too bad mega evolutions made already good Pokemon even better, and didn't help shitmons like Audino and Banette. At least Z-moves are a one time thing, while megas are permanent until the battle ends or the Pokemon faints.

Megas are still completely retarded, but I've gotten used to them after a few years. Z-moves I got used to in about a week.

>>32888400
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>32884064
this

>>32888522
banette was pretty good with prankster destiny bond, but then the tapus appeared

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>>32885197
Is "contrarian" becoming the new hit buzzword with on /vp/

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>>32884040
The XYZ anime.

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>>32888400
>ashnime fags are this deluded

>>32888522
>what is charizard
>what is beedrill
>what is medicham
>what is lopunny

>>32888400
[citation needed]

>>32888681
Your face is deluded.

>>32884040
Battle bond

>>32884040
In-battle formes triggered by abilities

Megas. Z-Moves at least make some shitmons more viable, even with Z status moves.

>>32888522
I see this meme thrown out a lot, but there aren't many examples that actually support this in practice. It's really just Scizor, Tyranitar, Mewtwo and Rayquaza.

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>>32884040
>more stupider

>>32893394
Good job. You got baited by the most obvious bait that has ever existed in the history of the vast universe..

>>32893224
Aren't Garchomp, Salamence and Metagross broken too ?

>>32884480
Using a good Pokémons mega is optional though, meanwhile bad ones get a spot in the spotlight

>>32884040
Megas make sense. Super enhanced forms after unlocking your full potential is as anime, vidya, and even realistical as it gets

Super powerful moves that can only be triggered by doing a pose is completely retarded

>>32893495
>Super powerful moves that can only be triggered by doing a pose is completely retarded
Anon, that is a vastly used trope in anime along with yelling the name of the attack

>>32893422
Mega Garchomp is worse than normal Garchomp. Salamence and Metagross weren't good in XY before their megas were made.

>>32893624
Pokemon that are very splashable and can run numerous sets tend to make their Megas, which can only run one set, look shitty in comparison.