What are your thoughts on the current OU meta

>>32859966
Reminds me how most of the Gen VII mons are sadly RU/NU/PU shitters and that Game Freak will never give them justice.

>>32859969
I see six newly introduced Pokemon on that list.

>>32859966
Remove genie and Tapu

>>32859976
>six
>most

>>32859966

The worst meta I've ever played. S and A+ rank Pokemon are so dominant it isn't funny. I unironically prefer ORAS to it.

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>>32859966
>heatran back in A+ again
aww yiss

>>32859966
When did M-Mawile come back to OU?

>>32859966
Dare you to find someone in showdown OU that uses either Lando T or Greninja and is above elo 1300.

>>32860330
Since the start of this gen, but her Mega stone was unavailable for a while

>>32860354
Doesn't*

>>32859966
wait what happened to deoxys-bug

>>32860380
banned

>>32859966
>3 of 4 Tapus are all ranked A in OU
>Fini didn't make the cut
I am disappoint

>legendaries, Garchomp and Ferrothorn
Wow, so much fun.

>>32860426
>forgetting about based Tangrowth

>>32860426
These day I don't even see Chomp and Ferrothorn in OU anymore. Just Landos greninjas and fairies.

>>32860426
Ironically these are the same people who would laugh at someone for using a full team of legendaries.

>>32860462
Unless you can prove it's the same people,you are just an assuming retard.

>>32860354
Pretty easy, there's that spammable stall team.

>>32859969
Well, uh, there is this other format that is official...

How to fix OU
>ban magearna
>ban tapu lele

wow that was hard

>>32859966
le 42% face

>>32859976
>all legendaries except for toxapex

disgusting

>>32860356
>her

Kill yourself

Why do people hate legendaries so much?

>>32859976
Don't forget old ones that got revamped this gen, like Ash-Greninja and Zygarde (thanks to Thousand Arrows).

>>32859966
>Tfw we will never get a meta like gen 4

>>32860672
t. stallfag

>>32860698

>kill yourself

kill yourself

>>32859966
I don't mind current OU except for zygarde and volcarona. They're not necessarily broken (well thoudand arrows might as well be), but they're just so annoying to fight against.

I don't really see how magearna is S rank right now. I know it has lots of coverage and can volt switch and stuff, but maybe I'm not using it right because I never saw it as anything THAT powerful, not as much as to deserve an S rank at least.

>>32860672
Nah. Ban Magearna, sure, but then ban both Greninjas and Celesteela. Tapu Lele is fine.

>>32861014
What made Gen 4 so great?

>>32860672
>ban tapu lele
Why do I see retards still clinging to this? Lele hasn't been a big deal since January.

Why is Tangrowth thee? What happened?

>>32861167
Very balanced but also very interesting. After the few bans that broke it, that is.

>>32861176
Grass is a hard counter to strong ground moves mons like Zygarde and Landorus carry.
Also since it got AssVest all its problems have been fixed so it can somewhat deal with Keldeo and Greninja as well.

>>32860698
It's based on a female yokai, calm down.
>Inb4 Yokai Watch maymays

>>32861186
But why now? Did it gain some new moves and abilities?

>>32859966
>Tapu Bulu that high
Why?

>>32861194
It's had Regenerator as an Ability for a while, and it loves the Assault Vest.

>>32861134
AV Mag walls most every special attacker and can be slapped onto any team. Shift Gear Mag gets a lot of free setups and its coverage is hard to predict. Even if you do predict its coverage there's a chance it just breaks through your walls with Z-moves.

>>32861177
I've never played the tier, but spectating tournament games gave me the impression teams were formulaic and predictable: Lead + Zapdos + Heatran + Grass-Type + ... Not that it wasn't balanced as hell, but tournament teams this meta have a lot more room to breathe I think, besides having Tangrowth staples.

>>32861194
Pokemon it can check like Gren, Koko, and Zygarde are popular and good enough that Tangrowth just became a staple on most teams. Similar to how Marowak-A was really popular during Phero-meta.

>>32861205
Mega Metagross isn't around to shit on it anymore.

>>32861194
Not it, but Zygarde did. Thousand Arrows is very hard to wall unless you have a good wall-like Pokemon that resists Ground. That Pokemon is Tangrowth.

>>32861225
Teams are formulaic because you just have that much less to use. 493 Pokemon isn't much when you cut down all the pre-evos and shit like Chimecho.
Still, stuff like Clefable and Cradily have gained more attention in recent years. Check out: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-viability-rankings-iii.3551992/

>>32861194
>But why now?
It's just the convenient combination of an important amount of new threats being introduced (thousand arrows, koko, greninja) and tangrowth just coincidentally happening to do well against all of them with its typing, coverage, abiliy and assault vest.

>>32859966
>the city of Ice and Rock types

>>32861205 #
Bulky offensive is very strong and the predominant playstyle this gen, it beat the others roles and can set up or put a substitute easily

ban all legendaries and unban baton pass when?

>>32861305
You'll have your Rock type once Mega Diancie comes back.

>>32861305
There's no Normal or Ghost types either

>>32861305
Tyranitar doesn't count now, I guess, uh?

>>32861367
Hopefully never. Fuck off.

>>32861386
That's just because Aegislash and M-Kanga got banned though. Besides Arceus, isn't Kyurem the only Ice-type in Ubers?

>>32861401
Cloyster is also ranked in Ubers but yes.

>>32860672
What is up with /vp/'s obsession with banning Lele?
It hasn't been a dominant pokemon in the meta since pre-Pheromosa ban.

>>32859966
>ban pheromosa
>ban mega metagross
>landorus is ok

its shit

When will Therian Landorus' reign of terror end? WILL it ever end? Could it even end at all?

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>>32859966
Why would you leave out A-?

>>32860672
>Ban Magearna
Why?

>Volcarona in A+
The dream is alive and well

I wonder how Tangrowth bros feel, it was considered a shitmon for a long time and it didn't really get any major buffs, I hope they are happy.

>>32863626
it was never a shitmon
it became a shitmon last gen because lol smogonbird
same as volcarona

>>32860692
there are 2 that aren't legendarys, toxapex and celesteela

>>32863671
It was a shitmon in gen4 and in gen5 it was RU.

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>>32863626
You know it

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>>32863677
>ubs are not legends
stop this meme

>>32863681
RU doesn't mean shitmon my dude. Also it was UU in Gen 4, and had its uses in OU, but was typically outclassed by Celebi.

>>32863492
Lando is not centralizing. You don't see a Lando and then go "oh shit, they switched in Lando! How the fuck can I switch something in without getting killed?"

>>32863626
>>32863683
why is Tangrowth good now?

>>32863808
Good at walling popular strong mons.

>>32863808
It switches into Thousand Arrows like a fucking champ

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>landorous still hasn't fucked off to ubers

Smogon will ban baton pass but keep this fucker in?

>>32859966
Is that not all of A rank, or did Mega Pinsir overtake Mega Scizor?

>>32863711
idc about your headcannon the ubs arent pokemon

>>32863808

OU is dominated by physical ground types. It also has regenerator, meaning it is a free "get rid of the opponent's ground pokemon" card

>>32863626
The introduction of the Assault vest count like a buff and the Talonflame nerf was the things that makes it good.

>>32863545
Lando isn't that good now like Smogon said, being objetive is just used a lot but if it were baned the meta will not change so much, everything it can do others can do it better. If it don't get a buff soon z moves don't count because there's betters users anyways it will fall from the top.

>>32863869
Mega Scizor's in A-. It's not as good as it was last gen because the tier's filled with too much shit that gives it a hard time like Celesteela, Volcarona, and Toxapex.

>>32863605

Play OU ladder for a week. Then see if you want to ask again.

>>32863895
I know it's strong, but banworthy?

What if Lando got Roost?

>>32860698
>her
because it's a female :^)

>>32861014
>>32861177
gen 4 was much more overcentralized and the data shows this. if you deny it you're an absolite retard

>>32859966
You're a faggot if you use any of those mons.

My nigga Bulu going places

>>32859966
w-where's Top Fin?

>>32864450
t. sub 1100

>>32860354
I use a hail team without either of them and I'm 1500 right now I use Zygarde and Lele though

>>32863879
its not about my "headcanon" you retarded piece of shit tripfag, its what the fucking ingame code says

>>32863879
also
>ubs arent pokemon

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>>32863879
UBs are Pokemon. They're just Pokemon from another dimension. And lore wise they aren't Legendary Pokemon.

>The Sun Pokemon is now OU
Did they do this on purpose?

>>32859966

Easily one of the worst metas. There's so much cancer, that's its just not fun to play anymore.

You've got the fucking Tapu Koko/Scarf Lando U-turn spam MUMEHTUM

And the DD and it's GG Zygarde because of it's bulk, combined with the fact that thousand arrows is by far the most broken move in the game right now and the only real counter to this shit is Tangrowth

And then you have the ridiculous piece of shit known as Magearna. They banned speed pass almost specifically because of this shit but it doesn't change the fact that this has many other methods of circumventing its low speed stat through gear shift and trick room. No pokemon in this tier is capable of OHKO'ing it because of it's ridiculous bulk, letting it set up easily and one kill is all it needs to open up pandora's box and sweep the rest of the opponent's team. This thing rips through teams and you often have a very hard time because it's like greninja, where it might be too late by the time you've guessed the set that it's running.

And greninja is still greninja. It's not really as bad, but simply because there's way more cancer currently plaguing the tier/Tapu Koko.

I could probably complain about Volcarona, but I can count the amount of times I've been swept with it in one hand and plus rocks + priority of any kind just stop it.

These are just my main issues with the tier right now.

>>32863869
I'm surprised Mega Scizor hasn't dropped. Now that Mega Meta is gone I don't see a reason to use it.

>>32863677
You meant Magearna. Toxapex and Magearna are not Legendary Pokemon. Magearna is Mythical.

>>32863808
No Infa-weather+ rengenerator and assvest makes it very bulky, + ground types becoming more important. It was already OU in Gen 6 but the increased Zygarde usage made sure it'll never drop down.

>>32860354
I don't use Lando, but Greninja is just way too fun.

>>32865003
the only thing that held back Volcarona last gen was Talonflame being able to switch on it for free.
>b-but HP rock
and then Volcarona would proceed to get walled by Heatran.

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>>32860680

>>32865042
>not using meme sets that counters the meta
It's your fault for using just OU mons, you guys must know the meta will change thanks to USUM and the missing megas, so, why not trying new things to contribute to make the meta better?
A lot of popular teams gets cucked with silly things like electric seed Hawlucha with a bit support, there's a lot of things that need to be tested you just need play a bit to see what are the biggest issues and then use the imagination instead just copypasting teams.

>>32860707
Probably because you can't really use them very much in-game, so people don't think they're acceptable "bros" or some similarly autistic shit.

>>32864401
>almost half the mons
No shit.

>>32861014
Sad thing is that there are people here that will DEFEND this cancerous Yu-Gi-Oh tier meta because they're newfags who only got introduced to competitive during XY. They think that the utter staleness of the meta is the baseline. Fucking GSC was better.

>>32861305
Tyranitar and its Mega are chilling in A-. Because Tyranitar is a god. Pity about Ice though.

magearna is a fun poke to use

>>32859966
I love how Garchomp is still able to squeeze its way into OU even while dealing with many insane OU mons.

>>32865630
Cancer is most fun when you're using it and not facing it. Greninja's a fucking blast to use, especially if you're combining it with Shift Gear Mage and Zygarde.

I want to cut Magearna's gay little body in half.

Honestly, I hate OU right now because everything feels so degenerate

>>32859966
Pretty much the consensus among any credible player is that OU was going down the shitter as early as Gen 4, with the first precipitous drop starting in Gen 5. There's really no bottom to how bad it'll get, especially with USM around the corner.

You can see the effects in that there are far fewer players on Showdown now than in BW or even XY (and keep in mind OU is the most populated tier), and every badged literally who on Smogon is quitting in droves both because the game itself is so shitty, and the tournament scene is so toxic. The latter is probably because of the former, there's no skill to objectively gauge anymore and so unsurprisingly there are more hurt feelings when the game is based more around first-turn matchup and sucker punches in the form of Z-moves. Nobody can think that the game was played fairly in that situation.

>>32865648
Very true, genesect is possibly one of the most fun pokemon I've ever used in comp.

>>32865826
This anon is right. Look on that tier list right now, you have stuff like Greninja and M-Mawile still on the run and not considered broken just very good meanwhile you have stuff like Lando-T who is not being suspected like it should because the meta would become even worse or shit like Magearna and Zygarde tearing everything a new asshole between his sets, and things gonna get a turn with the coming of M-Lop and Marshadow and whatever comes next on USM. OU right now is at his worse, you will have a better time playing RU or NU since not only these tiers are looking like the UU and RU from the past who still were more enjoyable than OU but OU and UU are shaping up to become Uber-Lite and OU-Lite respectively.

Test

>>32866381
>his

itt: the minority

>>32866381
Pretty much everyone in WCoP think that the tournament is a slog and about as fun as EVE Online. That's how much they'd rather not play this mess of a game.

>>32866413
This

>>32866381
>Marshadow
wont make a huge impact at all considering it'll be quickbanned.

>>32866464
It took five fucking months for Mosa to GTFO.

>>32866472
That's like comparing skymin/darkrai to genesect or deoxys forms bar attack.

>>32861175
>>32863457
Because it's all Olivia doing passive-aggressive shitposting.

Not that fun. Monotype and NU on the other hand are an absolute blast this generation. Probably because the former took the hint before OU did and banned all the dumb shit overnight so the meta is fairly balanced

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w-where is gengar, /v/ros

>>32866710
A-, OP's image only has ranks fro A and up.

>>32859966
What meta?

>>32865642
Garchomp should probably drop, there is barely any reason to use it over Zygarde anymore

>>32860356
Which megas are still unobtainable?

>>32865417
>OU since the day it was born
>S rank for three gens in a row
>didn't fall to UU during Weather Wars/Fighting types: The Tier
>didn't fall to UU despite getting a 7th type it's weak to
>didn't fall to UU despite Pheromosa, Landorus, Mega Metagross, Magearna, the Tapus, Greninja, and Zygarde ruling gen 7 OU

Gengar's a punk bitch that's fallen to UU 2 or 3 times over the years. Tyranitar is OU's most decorated war hero.

>>32866146
>clicks U-turn
Yippee, how fun

Zygarde was a mistake

>>32860657
boi do i love arcanine, tapus and ultra beasts
cant forget garchomp too

I think Magearna needs to be banned and I'm open to a Lele suspect.

Magearna
>Stupidly bulky
>High SpATK
>One of the best movepools
>Only "counter" is weak to rocks
>More of a guessing game than MegaGross

Tapu Lele
>Stupidly good wallbreaker
>Can shut down mons like Mega Scizor by being on the field six turns prior
>Although it has more checks and counters than Magearna, it's even more lethal after those checks are gone.

>>32867819
How was Mega Meta a guessing game? It only ever ran double stab+any combination of ice or thunder punch or hammer arm. Any other sets such as Agility lost coverage and thus were shit and never used

>>32867827
Double STAB and then any combo of ice/thunder punch, earthquake, hammer arm, grass knot, power up punch or pursuit yeah. Real predictable guy.

>>32867819
>Can shut down mons like Mega Scizor by being on the field six turns prior
Who gives a shit? It's not Lele's fault that Scizor's only good Steel STAB also happens to be its priority move.

People act like Lele is the only thing making Mega Scizor bad this gen but ignore the fact that it has also has Celesteela, Volcarona, Z-Landorus, Toxapex, and HP Fire Greninja fucking it up all day long.

>>32867859
Some ran HP Fire to deal with Scisor more easily.

dude thousand arrows lmao

I don't it's possible to fix the metagame with banning Lando-T.

Not because it's broken, but because it's so omnipresent it's holding the entire metagame together so that any other ban you do doesn't really change things.

If Lando-T gets banned, the entire OU metagame will get shaken up since every team will have to change because they no longer have to factor in fighting it and will have to deal with other Mons who fill similar roles

>>32869912
Are you proud of yourself?

>>32869914
It pretty much describes the OU meta perfectly

>>32869550
>The way to fix the metagame is to break the thing making it stable and make it a clusterfuck!
Retard.

just wait until lopunnite gets released

>>32869927
At this point the meta is so fucked you might as well go balls out crazy. You might as well relive the time when Genesect was legal and chaos reigned supreme, that was the most fun part of SM OU. Much better than "wait till WCoP ends IN FUCKING AUGUST to suspect Greninja, then Magearna, then Zygarde, then Lele, then Mawile, then etc..."

>>32869938
M-Lop will undoubtedly shake the tier up but M-Diancie will outright break it in half

>>32859966
>the city of Tapu Fini

>>32869945
How will they break in half? Just curious

>>32869938

>fairies everywhere

I'm not trying to be patronizing, I'm actually curious how mega loppunny will affect OU

>>32870088
won't be that different from ORAS , it can outspeed koko and KO with fake out + return though doubt fairies would affect it because no one is expecting it to take a super effective hit

>>32866566
t. Lele
We all know the real shiposter is Lele herself.

>>32870024
Mega Speed Change meaning she now has 110 speed turn 1 and is no longer mandatory to run Protect which means one free moveslot for coverage + Diamond Storm got buffed to boost Defense by two in SM, this on an already huge 50% chance can be monstrous if luck is on your side

>>32859966
>Landerous T still not banned when even mawile was put on the chopping block
OU is trash.

>>32869943
>Broken checks broken xddddd
Kill yourself

>>32864401
>overcentralized
It's called having much less pokemon.

>>32870215
You think she'll be banned? I've only just got into competitive this gen, and I want to be able to use gem rat.

>>32870286
Nothing's """"checking"""" anything though, except mage checking lele. It's all just broken piled on broken now.

Legendaries, UB's, and tanks, oh my!

>>32869927
That's the point though. As of right now Lando-T is basically propping up a fundamentally broken tier. Sometimes you need to just destroy everything so people are forced to evaluate the tier as a whole and stop just banning one Pokemon at a time while not fixing the real issues.

Lando-T has centralized the meta around itself for 3 generations now. It needs to go so we can finally at least TRY and make something new

>>32870322
I ran a hyper offense in Gen 6 based around M-Dia, regularly hit upper 1800s. Very nice counter to many of the mons on the template stall team. Looking forward to its return. I also don't think it will be banned, Megaerna looks like an outright counter.

Hot take: We bitch about individual mons, but it's z-moves doing the most damage to the meta. I've gone through every tier and it's appalling how much strategy has boiled down to rocks-> weaken counters -> setup -> Z-move ->rickroll.

>>32870727
I'm fucking excited for her. Would you be able to give more details about the team and the set you ran on her?

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>/vp/ ACTUALLY thought Ash-Greninja would be shit compared to protean
>/vp/ ACTUALLY thought Ash-Greninja would be shit in general

Loving every laugh.

REPEAT AFTER ME

MOTTO

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>>32872077
MOTTO

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>>32872077
>tfw Zard X is B rank
>tfw they're talking about dropping it even lower

>>32872077
BURASTO

>>32872077
>being proud of your cringey anime garbage being broken as fuck
So it's badly designed in appearance, concept and mechanics. Real impressive.

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>>32872222
wasted quads of shit taste

>>32872203
Justice. Literally justice. It's amazing how much Ash-Greninja is good and how much mega-zard is average at best.

>>32872077
The only reason why it's good is because Protean is good.

>>32872421
>still believing this meme

>>32859966
How come Mew is A? Are people actually using its Z move or the usual defensive set?

>>32872460
The latter

>haven't played smogshit meta for a year now
>no more Dragonite in OU

well that's upsetting. oh well.

>>32872550
The fairies are winning. Garchomp, Zygarde, and Latios are the only relevant dragons left.

>>32863905
It has three common sets all of which are extremely strong and need to be dealt with in completely different ways

what is an ou meta
is that like a metagame thing because if so i have no clue what ou is

>>32863711
>tornadus 281
>thundurus 282
>landorus 285
why

>>32863961
it would be quickbanned

>>32872222
Quads of truth

>>32863711
>the battle tree cant use it because muh lore so it is a legendary

>>32859966
It's pretty boring honestly in my opinion. More often than not the teams look exactly the same and it's stupid easy to guess entire movesets.

I know that's usually what happens when a meta gets as boiled down as Pokemon's but there's something about this series that just makes it worse than usual.

>>32874409
Every gen if Pokemon was like this. Gen 7 is actually one of the more diverse metas. Certainly more so than ORAS. Even DPPt consists of largely the same team template, as you can see in wcop.

>Heatran has been a top five threat 4 gens in a row now

god I love that fucker.

>>32872222
It's not much more broken than any of the other shit in this game, and if it was bad in battle, you'd shitpost about that too.

>>32859966
I love seeing Tangrowth rise to stardom he is my friend and boy

but fuck lando-t

>>32859966

Unplayable, and impossible to win consistently even if you're good unless you use stall or those copypaste teams like that Sticky Web team.

>>32867827
Except you're wrong. After the introduction of the Tapus, a large percentage of M-Metagross were dropping Zen Headbutt in favor of an extra - Punch move. So you were seeing sets like Meteor Mash/Ice Punch/Thunder Punch/Hammer Arm or EQ.

And on top of that, it had great synergy with every Tapu.

>Bulu
Grassy Terrain weakens Earthquake, which Metagross is weak to
>Lele
Boosted Zen Headbutt under Psychic Terrain, negates priority that threatens Megagross like Sucker Punch
>Fini
No more fishing for Scald burns or any other status move to neuter it under Misty Terrain
>Koko
Boosted Thunder Punch and sleep immunity

>>32876606
>impossible to win consistently
you're probably just bad

>>32876721

No, that's not the case. They haven't suspected enough of the threats in the tier and Z moves destroy traditional methods of counterplay. Throw in Thousand Arrows and a bulky, non-Mega Steel/Fairy with 3 equally viable movesets, 4 Tapus, a couple UBs. The shit is unplayable. Even established and respected Smogon players echo this sentiment.