Why do people consider these versions the best?

>>32816516
>Why do people consider these versions the best?
Because they are the best.

It was the peak.

It was the peak.

Probably because they had a good base and only improved upon it. Only remake done properly to this day.

>>32816521
Please make 10 more posts about this to help ruin this board, you sad pathetic loser.

>>32816516
Because this board is filled with Johtobabbies

The games did nothing to fix
>shitty level scaling
>Kanto is still barren
>poor Pokemon variety in the wild

>>32816530
Is this the peak of your anger?

>>32816516
Most content (16 gyms), walking with Pokemon, best story and mechanics

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>>32816539
>Most content

Lol

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>>32816547
>Lol

LOL

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>>32816579
>LOL

Laugh Out Loud

>>32816516
Nostalgia mostly.
Then they go on about it having the "most" content.

Because it makes many improvements over the originals and the flaws it does have are negligible by comparison.

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>>32816516
worst game ever

look at this blind faggot >>32816599
he think the game have improved enough, and that the flaws of the game are negligible because of the ""improvements"""
ahahahah, big objectivity!

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>>32816516
because they put their hearts and souls into them

>>32816532
>shitty level scaling
You have more places to train, as well as trainer rematches at your disposal. Not to mention they did increase Kanto's trainer levels, even tho they left the wild mons at the same level
>barren Kanto
they revived the viridian forest, added back the seafoam islands, cerulean cave, made the safari zone a pal-park, (cause the safari zone is now in johto), Mt. Moon is still crap, but if you're saying Kanto is still barren, you're remembering that Kanto was a barren region in the first place
>poor pokemon variety
thats why they added the pokewalker and the safari zon.

They didn't fix all of GSC's flaws to the point they they should have, but saying they did nothing to fix them is an outright lie.

/vp/'s been playing these games for 18 years. The main quest is always a minor variation of the same formula. Understandably, a big chunk of the board just mindlessly drifts through the main quest and puts more emphasis on side quests and post-game content. That's why HGSS and BW2 are so well-regarded here, while XY gets so much shit.

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>>32816986
>HGSS
>Good side quests

>>32816986
I know i'm a minority here, but I really really liked X and Y's main campaign and if it weren't for the incredibly weak E4 + champ, It'd be my favorite game. gen 6 for me is the peak of pokemon mechanics, too bad they didn't make a single welll rounded game in that gen

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>>32816986

>side quests
>post-game

>>32816526
You're a fucking idiot, ORAS improved upon R/S greatly.

>>32816526
So we're just going to ignore FrLg?

>>32816532
>poor Pokemon variety
HGSS has the best variety in the series right after SM and XY. This is an objective fact.

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>>32816539
>most content
>best story
>best mechanics
HGSS are my favorites as well but these are so not true.

>>32816516
If anything:
>best sprites
>best music
>walking Pokémon
that wild Pokémon level cap though

>>32817187
Bait

>>32817227
>I don't want to accept the truth so I'll call it bait

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>>32816516

>pokemon following you around

If there's one thing gamefreak should work on if they're doing a remake, it's this

>>32817275
There's literally no fathomable reason anyone could think HGSS has good variety.

>>32817349
It's an objective fact. The games with the best variety are SM, XY, Platinum, and HGSS.

>>32817337
This desu, I was so disappointed when I started playing White and saw that my pokemons wont follow me around anymore.

>>32817349
HGSS has a wide variety. think you're just confusing distribution for variety cause SM and HGSS's distribution is trash.
Too many com'mons on half the routes in the game, and the pokemon you actually want to use have nonsense 1-5% encounter rates

>>32817355
>ignoring BW2
opinion disregarded

>>32817386
This is true. I was specifically referring to variety, not distribution. I'm not actually sure what game has the best distribution, though I'd assume it's BW since it attempts to give new stuff every route.
>>32817396
B2W2 has really bad variety for quite a while.

>>32817355
>Platinum
>Literally only 2 fire Pokémon in the entire game

>>32817423
That's DP, anon. Platinum added four more Fire type evolutionary families in the updated Sinnoh Dex.

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>>32817423
>Flareon, Houndoom, Magmorter, Rapidash, Infernape
>5=2

>>32817423
Chimchar
Monferno
Infernape
Ponyta
Rapidash
Magby
Magmar
Magmortar
Houndour
Houndoom
>literally only 2

Good counting, Anon

>>32817423
Go check out the routes or play the game yourself, dumbass.

>>32817686
nice nitpicking

>>32817420
>B2W2 has really bad variety for quite a while.
Patrat, Purrloin, Sewaddle, Pidove, Sunkern, Lillipup, Psyduck, Audino, Dusparce, Mareep, Riolu, Growlithe, Magnemite, Venipede, Azurill, Koffing, Magby and Elekid are all available by the second gym. What more do you want them to be giving you?

>>32816516
They felt the best

>>32816516
sweet spot for entry level normies and casual scum.

IMO it didn't recapture the atmosphere of the originals well enough and I thought the arrangements of the music were really weak. It's obviously better than the originals mechanically and level scaling, pokemon following, pokewalker, etc.

Except for giving Red two water pokemon? I wanted my espy...

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it had the best key item in the entire series

>>32817827
no that list doesn't even mention stuff like pokemon walking along with you, the option to listen to the original game's soundtrack and other features
ORAS is shit no matter how you slice it, the only thing it added was that it let you catch tons of legendaries (which BW2 already did and HGSS did to a lesser extent) and new mega evolutions

>>32819567
They should have given it to you a LOT earlier on in the game though.

>>32817051
>I really really liked X and Y's main campaign
you shouldn't be the minority, you should be extinct

>>32819309
>IMO it didn't recapture the atmosphere of the originals well enough and I thought the arrangements of the music were really weak

agreed

>>32816520
>>32816521
>>32816526
Thread should have ended here.

>>32817185
Yes because FRLG, like the rest of Gen III, didn't come close to improving the formula enough as it could have

And what they did keep the same for FRLG from the original held it back from being amazing remakes. They're significantly better than the travesty that was ORAS, but compared to HGSS it's night and day

>>32816516
>Has arguably the best variety of Pokemon from Gen 1-4 without the mostly mediocre Gen 5 6 and 7 filler
>Is compatible with the Dppt games with Platinum being perhaps the 2nd best game in the series
>Has Auto-Run
>Best Developed Rival of all games
>Arguably best and most down to earth plot out of all games
>Lugia and Ho-Oh are top tier Legends
>Johto is a comfy and adventure filled region with a great theme
>Can go to Kanto in postgame to see and battle iconic characters from Generation 1
>Best Champion and best Champion theme
>Red

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>>32820748
Gen IV added actually good moves and good movepools, plus the Physical/Special split is something that should've come ages before dumbass abilities or EVs or IVs or whatever shitty element ruined the competitive elements of the series

Gen III was retarded as fuck for not having it when it completely dumped the connection to the first two games

>>32820592
but frlg is an objective straight improvement over rby

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>>32820704

>>32820592
You forget that gen 3 was the first gen to have a PC system that wasn't complete garbage. It also introduced running shoes and double battles, both of which great additions to the series.

>>32820775
>gen 4 added good movepools
do you actually play the games
level-up movepools were still busted on some mons and much like the other games needed TMs/egg moves for compete redemption
in addition it's a moot point because every generation has its share of mons that get an amazing level up movepool
>ruined the competitive elements of the series
>>ruined
Im sure.

>>32820857
Gen III basically took away from the concept any Pokemon you caught and raised would be as good as the rest of them in replacement for the autism bike simulator

Because Masuda thinks that's good game design

>>32820704
>Arguably best and most down to earth plot out of all games
It's literally a shittier version of gen one's plot
>a bunch of retards invade a cave
>you beat up said retards at their base
>they take over an office building for a reason that is even dumber than the reson they had in RBY
>you beat them up again and they disband again
>also you beat up some weak gym leaders and become the champion

>>32816516
It remakes a nostalgiafag approved game so its a nostalgiafag apprived game and /vp/ is full of them. So its the newest nostalgiafag approved game.

>>32820868
Gen 2 did that when it introduced egg moves, which a lot of Pokemon were much worse without. Gen three and on just expanded on that bullshit.

>>32820873
>newest nostalgiafag approved game

You do know there are unironic ORAS defending hoennbabbies on this board, right?

>>32820873
Nostalgiafag here I hate the remakes because there is nothing nostalgic about them.

>>32820868
no? not everyone is going to go for full flawless mons, especially not casual players. you seem to want something resembling that without any effort involved. in addition IVs did have some predecessor in gen I and II so it's not like the issue was suddenly dumped into only gen 3.

allowing for a greater variety of Pokemon and for each of them to do more specialized roles is pretty good game design

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>>32816516
I'm a Johtodder, so this game was gonna be special even if they just slapped a new set of paint and the phys/special split on GSC. They went above and beyond by adding back a few Kanto dungeons and expanding a few other dungeons and legendaries. Also the Pokeathalon is the best side objective. It doesn't require a whole lot of time to get anything done, like contests do. I actually didn't mind Voltorb Flip. It's a decent way to get my favorite Dratini early, though it does screw you out of Porygon. However, that's not a problem cause I can trade one from Plat. The safari zone adds a few new options for mons fairly early, though I do still miss Houndour. My job requires I run about 10 miles a day so the Pokewalker is a perfect way for me to get different mons. While I'm not big on battle tower stuff, the Platinum Frontier is a lot of game to get through. Also, speaking of battle stuff the HGSS and last part of Gen 4 is the best metagame.
Other notables include: walking pokemon, itemfinder that's super easy to use, great use of the touchscreen menu, GB sounds with decent remixes, and the best spritework outside of Crystal's animation and Scyther's sprite.
Lastly, for me, 493 is the last point before it started to be too many.

>>32816521
>>32816524
Why does this keep getting spammed?
Can someone gimme a tl;dr?

>>32821367
Because it was the peak.

>>32821367

The Peak

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>>32821385
>>32821463

>>32816516
They're not, they were slow as fuck

>>32816516

I really don't know nor do I understand how young me put almost 200 hours into this game. Got HG off of Ebay looking to re-live the experience but it's just boring. I got up to Lake of Rage before tapping out because it felt like I was just spinning my wheels the entire time.

>>32817633
>counting evolutions

Chimchar line.
Ponyta line.
Magmar line.
Houndour line.
Flareon.

That's only five anon.

>>32822717
More than Hoenn

Masuda's just a retard

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Because

It was my first game as a kid (Heartgold), my older brother had red but he guarded that shit religiously. My parent found out and got me a new Ds and Pokémon I was 11 at the time. then when Pokémon go came out I decided to get back into Pokémon and picked up storm silver. Shit was still fun as fuck and the additions to the game from the developer made the nostalgia trip all the more better. In fact it brought me here. Now I'm shitposting and hunting for the perfect iv Pokémon.

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>>32822799
It's actually the same
>Torchic line
>Slugma line
>Numel line
>Torkoal line
>Vulpix line

However for a region that has a volcano in it to have the same amount as a snowy region is silly.
Also, inb4 Stark Mountain. That's post game

>>32822888
Checked

>>32822888
I always forget Vulpix is in Hoenn. One route and nobody in-game uses the damn thing

Hoenn introducing regional dexes was a mistake

Pokeathlon

Thats it

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>>32822888
>Torkoal line

>>32822888
The volcano is just one area but you're right. Fire-types are rare as fuck in general, what the fuck Gamefreak?

>>32817986
Entire southern Unova (postgame) mostly has the same wild pokemon

>>32817187
Does it really have a better variety than BW2? With the ripples and things that let you catch fully evolved pokemon that hadn't appeared in the wild before or since?

>>32822969
in gen 3, the only other fire pokemon outside starters and legendaries were:
Growlithe line
Ponyta line
Magmar line
(Flareon)

Maybe they could have just added Eevee but then all of Gamefreak's gen 3 marketing scheme would have failed (gamecube games capitalized on eevee too)

>>32816516
Walking pokémon, gives introverts a friend to follow em' around

>>32823070
That's... really depressing. And then gen 4 didn't add much either.

>>32823066
It's only for maingame variety, not anything related to postgame.

>>32823084
There's only around 36 total Fire type pokemon, just counting evolution lines and individual fire types.

>>32823070
You forgot Houndour

Cause for some reason that fucker is literally nowhere in this series

>>32823084
And yet in total, fire types are the 7th most common type, ranking behind water, normal, flying, grass, psychic and bug.

But yea, if you don't pick the fire starter usually you got little options sadly.

>>32823120
The Water type is fucking stupid. It's good offensively and especially defensively and they bloat up the Pokedex like nothing else. If Gen V did anything right it's limit the options on that shitty ass type

Cause there's so many of the fucking things it's almost illogical to ever pick the Water starter

>>32823112
my bad. Sorry to forget, I only ever recall catching that pokemon line near celadon in gen 2/4 and in my gamecube games

>>32823132
It makes sense to have a lot of Water-types, however annoying it is. Same with bugs. Fuck you, water-types are great

>>32823132
I mean with the advent of wifi or at least easy trading starter choices are irrelevant anyway. I picked the Piplup, Oshawott (B/W, didn't use starter for B/W2) and Froakie line for my first maingame of those gens but yea technically there is always a better pokemon out there, usually Starmie is a solid choice too especially with unlimited TMs

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>>32816516
looks like a 4 legged pokemon
lugia origin form confirmed

>>32823132
Most of the water type starters usually have unique things going for them in each game. Squirtle has bite and the line has a defensive focus, Totodile has rage, Mudkip has the ground typing, Piplup peck/metal claw, you get the idea.

Because of Surf/Good Rod, the games already shut out a lot of water pokemon to the player early on.

>two regions
>best side objective (pokeathlon, essentially the Pokemon Dash DS game crammed in)
>grounded storyline, despite being a rehash of gen 1

Everything else is moot. Except for Pokemon following you. That was one of my favorite things ever.

>>32816594
This.

POKEATHLON

>>32816594
How does it not?

>>32816594
>content is bad if I put it in quotation marks
wow you got em anon

>>32816516
>Why do some autists consider these versions the best?

There, fixed.

>>32816516
>huge postgame (inb4 Kanto isn't postgame)
>Pokéthlon
>Safari Zone
>Bug catching contest
>Battle Frontier
>Large Pokédex
>Rematching Gym Leaders
>lots of legendaries available, but they aren't just handed to you
>following Pokémon
>Pokéwalker (personally not a fan, but people like it)
>everything except for walking is operable with the touch screen
>can register two items
>days of the week and day/night mean the world is active and changing

You cannot argue with this.

>>32823910
If Kanto is post-game, then HG/SS is the shortest mainline game ever

>>32816516

>ton of places to visit
>rematching trainers
>battle frontier
>pre-pokemon amie
>two regions

if I played any game the most then this is HGSS it's just the best, sadly they didn't put too many things to discover there, it's big but still feels so empty

>>32817686
Scrolling through this, reading that Masuda quote...damn, that really fucking hurts

>>32816516
There were many things wrong - level curve and lack of Kanto content being the two main ones.

But:
>pokemon following the trainer
>Pokeathlon mini games
>Eusine from Crystal added to games
>better Team Rocket admins
>reimagined cities with extra flair added
>Battle Frontier

Personally, I loved following pokemon and Pokeathlon. It was the first time I could play with shitmons and have them be the champs.

>>32823926
So it's doubly-good in /vp/'s postgame-tinted eyes?

>>32823926
To be fair Pokemon aren't games with major focus on the story unless you're BW or SM

I'm sure anybody with a brain would pick a short campaign like Johto's that gets to the point over padded garbage like Kalos

>>32816516
It feels like a complete game

>>32823926
>better Team Rocket admins
Ehhhhhhhhhh

>>32816516
Autists who loved the following pokemon and wanted to be like Ash and Pikachu in the anime.

Piss easy, so you feel like you're good at it when yu're just a dumb kid.

Minimalist story so it's easier to insert yourself

Has the most "Japanese" feel of any of the games, appeals to weebs (of which this board is mostly comprised of)

Apricorn balls appealing to balltists

Large post-game, so if you have too much time on your hands you get a lot of extra content

There is tons of content, you can run through the game twice.
You return to the most beloved region in the series.

Literally only contrarians dislikes HGSS, and even if they say they dislike them, they are lying.

Reminder that people who thinks including Kanto is a mistake, yet complains about lack of postgame elsewhere deserves to be shot in the open street.
Kanto was done as good as it could, and the more content there is, the happier you damn right ought to be.

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The same reason they consider Emerald the best. Because it's their favorite.

>>32816520
But that's not a picture of Emerald. Hell even Platinum is better.

>>32816927
>also posts no points as to why it's bad
how's summer now that your sped classes have ended

>>32829354
>Literally only contrarians dislikes HGSS, and even if they say they dislike them, they are lying.
False. People can not like them because of the retarded level curve and the overall slowness off the game. Chuggaaconroy even said he doesn't like HGSS and that guy is positive about damn near every game he talks about.

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>>32829398
im lazy sorry
but they were said way enough
and anyway you must know them perfectly

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>>32829277
>Piss easy, so you feel like you're good at it when yu're just a dumb kid.

>Posts on Pokemon board

>>32829419
Source me on that, buddy

>>32829419
He's also autistic so whatever.

>>32829419
He also said Pokemon XY were amazing games.

>>32829872
Technically not true. Chugga first was initially misdiagnosed with autism, but later on it turned out that he didn't share any of the symptoms with a a regular autistic kid and their doctors correcred their mistake. Chugga did admit that when he thought he had autism, he was upset that he had a disability that made kids stupid and oversensitive.

He is dyslexic though, so there's that.

>>32816516
They're degenerates who want monotype starters who follow you around.

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>>32823170
always reminded me of these mofos