Why do people hhte ORAS?

>>32747402
Honestly I have no idea, they were fine imo. The only thing I didn't like was mauville. Everything else looked pretty good in 3D and they didn't do the dumb camer angles of XY

>>32747428
Spot the person whose first game was GSC

>>32747402
People hate it because it didn't have every specific feature that they wanted, and therefore everything about it that WAS good gets automatically disregarded. That's how /vp/ works.

>>32747428
i think both ORAS and XY where fun games, they were kind of mediocre,okay but te games where fun

SM on the other hand, ewww

>>32747402
It wasn't as great as it could've been, but that doesn't make it completely shitty

I guess

I enjoy every Pokemon game

Generation VI was good; too bad about VII.

>>32747402
B8 thread but I'll bite.

For us Hoennfags, it fell pretty flat, especially with the lack of Battle Frontier & ez new-gen difficulty. I know some people enjoyed the Delta Episode, but it felt like needless padding to me. I did enjoy the characters more, at least.

>>32747466
Get off /vp/ mate

What's going on about the GEN VII hate?
It's not just 4chan, in every website i go i'm seeing that peope thinks it's "boring" "mediocre" or just "shit"

>>32747492
Because they're horrid games.
GEN VI was better, and that's saying a lot.

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>>32747402
Yeah, I don't hate the game.
But the game design is shit

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>>32747492
>>32747521
It's more than just the games themselves. You also have the original audience growing up, more competition in the genre, the law of diminishing returns, and the video game industry itself changing in a way that doesn’t suit Pokemon as well as it did in the 90s/early 2000s.

>>32747492
>It's not just 4chan, in every website i go i'm seeing that peope thinks it's "boring" "mediocre" or just "shit"
Which sites? I want to see people other than this contrarian cesspool bash the game

>>32747637
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-nintendo-3ds/75344174?page=6

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>>32747637
Not hard to find this was a Japanese Amazon review

>>32747623
Nice try but I have zero nostalgia for Emerald since I never played it as a kid and I still thought ORAS sucked.

>>32747652
>It is an unfinished rag.

>>32747453
More like RSE. Hoennbabbies have a massive inferiority complex when it comes to Gen 2 and its remakes.

The problem both for ORAS and SM is not that they completly suck ass. It's just that they're unfinished as fuck.

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>>32747680
It's true, though. HGSS set the remake standards high, and we got too greedy with our expectations. Hopefully Sinnohfags get better treatment, but the way things are going, I wouldn't bet money on it.

>>32747668
Nursing carelessly lillie

>>32747681
Shigaru is a dummy. Waste all development time making cut scenes

>>32747402
Probably for the teasers. Imagine if HGSS had a sign saying "the Game Corner is now closed". People would've went mad.

Is Voltorb Flip a better solution than a closed Game Corner building? Certainly not, because Voltorb Flip is shit. But it is less enraging for a nostalgia fag. It is easier to endure Voltorb Flip.than a closed Game Corner building. A closed Game Corner feels terrible for nostalgia fags, because it messes up with their precious memories. It's not for the gameplay value of the Game Corner, which is very little. It is about the nostalgic value.

In the same way, people completly dismiss and underrate the many IMPROVEMENTS that ORAS made to Hoenn because they didn't ask for a better RSE. They asked for a faithful remake.

HGSS for example didn't make nearly as many improvements as ORAS did, but it was a much less enraging remake because it was true to GSC.

>>32747533
>only Rock Slide works with its mega's ability,
but it's off of its weaker attacking stat
Were they really that afraid that kids couldn't get past by a Snailmon that had Fire Blast? It's not like you' took 1-3 water mons with you to the battle or anything.

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>>32747402
Gen VI overall sucked. ORAS just gets more heat because it's a remake of a gen with mixed opinons to begin with and it barely offers anything new.
>>32747492
To be fair, Gen VII is bad, just replace VI's baby difficulty with unskippable cutscenes that stop you every 30 seconds for a mediocre plot giving it zero replay value

>>32747724
ORAS had some moments where it being less faithful was annoying, like the Granite Cave redesign and the forced skip to Mauville (why? the sea route to cross is right next to Petalburg).

>>32747741
I understand but imo those are just nitpicks. Not actual flaws.

>>32747757
The granite cave redesign can actually be considered a flaw because it locks you out of some Pokemon until later on in the game but this might not matter much since Wifi exists and who the fuck doesn't have internet these days?

>>32747402
AS got me back into pokemon after not playing since Sapphire. A refreshing reintroduction that made Hoenn better and a huge improvement since the 8 bity Red
>no stress safari zone
>per route checklist on what to catch
>injecting/raise/breed half the dex I was missing
>catching hoopa legends
>sea mauville
>wally's battle
>deoxys and fug
>bases and blissey grinding
It was all just perfect for the aging Hoenn

>>32747786
contests too were GOAT

>>32747770
I actually like the way it isn't obligatory to explore Granite Cave in the remake. I always prefer exploration to be optional, not obligatory. I like exploring caves and.stuff whenever I want to, not obligatorily.

That's why ai hate how HGSS made encountering Lugia/Ho- oH necessary, when it was optional in GSC.

Especially for SS, you now have to bother to surf to those islands and explote a dungeon to find Lugia. I much prefer that kinda stuff left for the postgame.

So overall I prefer ORAS's style I think.

ORAS is too fucking easy. Example:
Gym 7. I was preparing to fight Claydol, Xatu, Solrock and Lunatone, remembering that the fight back in the originals was pretty tough.
Instead I get just the solrock and lunatone, which die after two surf, how exciting. And that's basically the running theme of ORAS: it's boring because it's dumbed down.

>>32747923
you grew up anon

>>32747402
all those QOL features. we had it so good. the definitive pokemon game for breeding and training

>>32747923
>fight in the originals
Use Surf and attack Claydol with the other pokemon and it goes down. Repeat for whichever of Solrock and Lunatone comes out and then you're left with a 2-on-1 battle. Beating a double battle in Emerald is always a simple matter of ganging up on the weaker pokemon to leave it a 2-on-1 battle as soon as you can.

>>32747402
It was a very fun game, you're right anon! I'm glad you enjoyed playing it.

>>32747932
I don't know. I still think the Sinno's and Jotoh's elite 4 are genuinely difficult these days, nothing much changed there since I was 11.

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>>32747923
Tate and Liza using a Solrock and Lunatone only was in Ruby and Sapphire. The problem with ORAS is it's a remake of Ruby and Sapphire instead of Emerald

>>32747977
that because you are idiot anon, just less idiot than 3 years ago

>>32747652
>nation wide book guide

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>>32747402
It's sad, but these are ironically the best of the 3DS Pokemon games.

And quite sad how these are also the best remakes /mechanically/.

These games fix most of the problems with Hoenn, with water encounter rates being cut while surfing, with surf getting an overhaul in speed.

The Pokemon selection becomes wider even before the Elite Four begins too.

All the neat quality of life features are nice. Flying to any route, Soaring, Expansion of the Secret Base mechanic, the list goes on.

But because the games themselves removed the main draw of the remakes, the Battle Frontier, people decide to magnify the flaws to high heaven. The game is still really solid, as it's RS's campaign. Little handholding in the beginning, before you're set off on an adventure.

HGSS is regarded more fondly because of how much more memorable it is, when the remakes themselves did little to fix their flaws. The level scaling is still atrocious, and most Johto Pokemon aren't even available until Kanto, unless one goes through the obtuse Safari Zone.

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>>32747402
My big thing was that they made treecko good. Like, it was the worst of the three starters to use in game in RSE, but if you put up with having your best grass move be fucking absorb it'd eventually get a win button at level 29 in leaf blade. ORAS actually gave it mega drain early and giga drain if you waited until 21 to evolve grovyle. The better secret bases, dexnav, battle frontier ez breeding, and other shit was great, too. I really liked them.

>>32748713
The only Kanto locked Johtomons are Misdreavus, Houndour, Larvitar and Sneasel. Maybe Blissey? Stop lying you faggot.

Because it was far worse than Emerald, which was a GOOD game, despite coming out so many years later.

>>32750149
t. nostalgiafag

ORAS is great or shit for me, depending on the mood I am currently in:

Sometimes I focus more on the many positives of the game, and ignore the jarring changes from the originals.

Sometimes I focus on the flaws and changes and I am bothered that it is less faithful to the originals.

>>32747402
Long story short OP, they were decent Gen 6 games that improved a lot of stuff from X and Y, but as remakes of RSE they totally killed it on some parts, especially with the plot and the lack of a Battle Frontier.

>>32750149
Emerald was only better because of the Battle Frontier. Otherwise the stories were similar, just with ORAS focusing on a specific legend rather than both like Emerald. And even so, unlike RS, ORAS didn't try to pretend the team you didn't fight against were good guys.

>>32747402
Because the project has started.

>>32751607
/thread

>>32747428
If they started with gen 4 they would have played hgss retard

>>32751607
>>32751620

>a reference to the Battle Frontier makes the game shit.
>ITT: literal OCD

>>32751819
No BF makes the game shit.

>>32751836
But it doesn't. Battle Maison + Battle Institute combined are the same size like the Platinum and HGSS.Battle Frontier.

>>32751874
But I already finished them in XY.

>>32751874
No they're not. Battle Maison is equivalent to ONE of the facilities in the BF. There should be seven.

>>32751901
The only good one. The others are shitty gimmicks.

>>32751951
>The others are shitty gimmicks.

No they're not.

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>>32747402
Personally?
It was inferior to Emerald.
There's no point in its existence.

Remakes should be an improvement over the previous versions.

>>32751957
I can guarantee you that if they brought back the Frontier, the Battle Factory and Pyramid would be the only ones played and made videos off. If they simply just brought those two facilities back, things probably wouldn't have been this bad. Even back when I first played through Emerald, those were the only two ones that I found genuinely fun.

>>32751896
And I already finished the Battle Frontier in Emerald. Your point?

>>32751901
Wrong.

Rotation Battles, Triple Battles, Inverse Battles and Battle Institute tests are Battle Modes not available in Emerald, but available in ORAS. Those 4 Battle Modes, plus the classic Battle Tower modes (Single, Double, Multi) are exactly the same size like the Gen IV Frontier.

If you guys can suck Platinum's and HGSS' s dick when they uad the same amount of Battle Modes, then you have no right to complain about the amount of Battle Modes in ORAS.

>>32752099
You're missing the bigger picture. They could make seven unique facilities, improving or replacing the lackluster ones. We could have Platinum facilities, or completely new ones. We could have online PvP facilities. We could have inverse and rotation battle modes.

Instead, they keep shitting out Battle Tower clones. They're taking steps backwards, and you apologists act like their only option is staying in the same place.

>>32747402
The difficulty level was actually pretty decent with xp share off, almost every trainer had pokemon with a higher level than me. Until the elite four when mega metagross was almost 20 levels higher than my gardevoir.

The post-game is lacking though

>>32752255
>The post-game is lacking though
It is not lacking. It is one of the better postgames we have had sofar.

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>>32747402
Because regardless of how you may feel about them as standalone games they were bad remakes. They neither met the standards set by Emerald for Hoenn games nor the standard set by HGSS for remakes. Almost none of the content from Emerald was put into the game despite HGSS doing so with Crystal (inb4 "but it's different and they didn't need to this time!"), some content introduced in RS was also removed, some maps were butchered, some music was butchered, and then they outright insulted the old fans with pic.
You might disagree with some of these specific criticisms but this is why people dislike ORAS.

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>>32747724
>Is Voltorb Flip a better solution than a closed Game Corner building? Certainly not, because Voltorb Flip is shit.
I personally disagree about Voltorb Flip but even if I didn't, having no content is not better than having completely optional content you don't like.
And the biggest thing people use to defend ORAS is "they're not Emerald remakes they're Ruby/Sapphire remakes :^^^^^^)" so knock off with that shit. There are admittedly some nice things in ORAS, Secret Bases are a lot cooler in ORAS and the Dexnav is actually a fantastic feature that should've been retained for SM, but it doesn't make up for the missing shit.

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What annoys me about ORAS isn't the Battle Frontier or any postgame-related or optional things like the Exp. Share. I hate how the games don't have any of Emerald's double battle trainers, like the Pokefans on the cycling road route. I know it was a feature that was introduced in Emerald, but the mechanic was carried over to later generations too, like DPPt, HGSS, and BW1 and 2, so it feels like a step back to go back to having select trainers team up on you.

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>>32753327
I completely agree. It was a huge disappointment, considering Emerald's double battles could sometimes have 4 or even 5 Pokémon total.

>>32747492
Gen VII is about 10-20% slower on the O3DS

Combine that with the cutscenes that are unskippable and it becomes very grating

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>>32747533
RSE's movesets were honestly worse

>>32753524
The cutscenes weren't even that bad. You're acting like the cutscenes took like 5 years.

>>32753616
They did. I had to enter a hyperbolic time chamber to complete SM.

>>32753630
They're 15 fucking minutes combined. People have such horrible ADHD that the biggest complaint about SM is 15 fucking minutes of cutscenes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYw0mQ62rI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2NUxuGJeYc

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>>32753731
You're a dumbass if you think people are only criticizing the parts with big dynamic camera angles when they complain about cutscenes. People are complaining about the constant, neverending dialogue interruptions that prevent people from just playing the game.

>>32753731
Those are only the cinematic cutscenes with the high poly models you retard. There are a fuckton of other ones where you have to stop and read a bunch of dialogue while characters emote randomly.

>>32753616
It's when combined with the sluggishness on old 3DS systems that they get irritating, is the point I was trying to make

Mind, I literally have ADHD so it may not even be as bad as it felt

>>32747402
Nonexistant post game, unless you count the delta episode as post game; and even then it's really short.

>>32753546
That Mightyena was annoying as shit

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>>32754469
When I think of "more than just a remake" I think of HGSS long before ORAS. HGSS has everything from GSC save a few minor features like room decoration, but it also has several new routes, added features like the Safari Zone (which ORAS removed), and restored content that was in Gen 1/3 but not Gen 2 like certain Kanto areas. It also had more changes to maps on average than ORAS, who only changed maps when they wanted to downscale them or couldn't get them to work in Gen VI's shitty engine (like Mauville City).
If ORAS was supposed to be more than just a faithful version of RS, then why does it STUBBORNLY cling to the wrong parts of RS that were improved in Emerald, like the double battle system mentioned earlier in the thread? Why does it still use shit like RS Liza&Tate's team that was improved in Emerald? It seems like they only tried shoving Emerald shit in the Delta Episode at the last minute, which is why we have shit like the half-assed Mossdeep Takeover.

>>32753250
The problem is that
a)Voltorb Flip is not optional. It is obligatory.if you want to get the TMs and other goodies.

b) in ORAS the TMs are not reusable anymore, removing the biggest reason for the Casino's existance. The owner gives you the 3 starter dolls, which are the remaining 3 prize from RSE.

Besides ORAS has new prize-based minigames from XY (Pokemon Amie and Super Training minigames bothe.award you prizes just like the Game Corner in RSE did).

>>32753209 #
ORAS is not a remake of Hoenn. It is a reimagining of Hoenn. Set in a parallel universe, with a lot.of.differences.

This is what annoys people. They wanted a faithful remake like HGSS and FRLG. But ORAS is not a remake. It is something more than just a remake.

>>32754525
>But ORAS is not a remake

Yes it is.

MY least favorite part about OR/AS now is the dumb ass chibi overworld models. Best thing about Sun and Moon for me are the new overworld models

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>>32747402
>no Emerald storyline with some tweaks (like HGSS did Crystal with some changes)
>safari zone is just a route
>NO FUCKING POKEBLOCK MINIGAME HOLY SHIT FUCK YOU GAMEFREAK
>no batte frontier or at least some new facilities, instead we got copy pasted mansion
>"here, get a free lati@s kid"
>no customization which should be fucking mandatory after XY, even if its a remake, you are not forced to dress up anyway

ORAS would have been 10/10 and BW2 tier if it had all those things, the rest of the game is great

>>32754525
>It is obligatory.if you want to get the TMs and other goodies.
TMs and the Game Corner Pokémon are both completely optional, you don't have to get anything from the Game Corner to beat the game, unless you consider it mandatory to complete the Pokédex to beat the game (though it is mandatory if you want to post on /vp/).
And some people enjoy just playing the minigames on their own. I still sometimes load up Soul Silver on my 3DS to play Voltorb Flip on the shitter even though I have more than 20000 coins and the most expensive thing costs 9999.
And what do the Amie minigames get you? To my memory it was only Poképuffs. I admittedly did play a ton of the sliding puzzle game when I was bored before I realized it completely ruined the difficulty curve and gave your Pokémon permanent buffs that can only be removed by trading the Pokémon to another game and back. I've never been big on Super Training because it has that shitty fucking Kid Icarus Uprising control scheme that's like tailor made so lefties can't use it comfortably.
As to the latter half of your post see >>32754516

>>32754534
No it is not. Remaking RSE simply was Game Freak's excuse to make ORAS, but it is not a remake, it takes place in the mega verse while still acknowledging the existence of the RSE universe. In other words, it doesn't overwrite RSE like a remake does (see FRLG, HGSS)

Delta Episode was created for a reason anon.

>>32751951
>Factory
>Bad
Kids these days. Really the only awful facility there was is the one where natures and personality values determine the moves chosen.

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>>32754641
Anon you're getting really, really hung up on Game Freak's flimsy excuse for why ORAS doesn't have the Frontier and applying it to the real-life development of the game. The reason ORAS is missing shit from RSE is because Game Freak is fucking lazy, nothing more than that.

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>>32749917
>Stop lying you faggot.
Alright, "most"was a stretch, but that's still ridiculous for a new region to lock its new Pokemon behind the old.

My point still stands though. ORAS is great in terms of raw mechanical improvements but falls flat on capturing what a Pokemon remake should be.

In fact, out of the all the remakes so far, ORAS improved RSE's flaws the most. One step forward, two steps backward.

>>32747402
It was alright but the lazy 3D graphics sacrificed a lot of the charm of the original Hoenn games

Delta episode was actually pretty cool despite Zinnia being a spergoid

>>32752155
>adding one or two extra pokemon is as much of a change as completely changing the rules of how battles are played
you're dumb. Also, Inverse can only be done once a day, and Institues literally have no difference from the Tower except that you don't reset if you lose. And I also like how you omitted the Double Battle portions of the facilities in Emerald, so even if you include that, Emerald still has more than double the size.

>>32753546
At least Camerupt had a STAB move.

>>32754179
God, this. I've been nuzlocking moon lately and melemele is such a slog a wipe there shouldn't even count. Fuck replaying all that crap.

>>32747466
This
>>32747475
First Amendment yo

It wasn't an Emerald remake.

oras IS better than ruby and sapphire, the problem is that all 4 are outshined by emerald

emerald is just generally more fun, challenging, and polished gameplay and story wise

>>32755921
Emerald = OR/AS > RS

>>32747402
Vp is for people who don't just play Pokemon but obsess over it. So the deciding factor in whether a game is good or not to them is replay value.

>>32756000
Do most of /vp/ play Pokemon multiplayer anyway? ORAS is perfect for that since it has the PSS and all its features, plus Secret Bases. The only thing I felt was missing was trainer customization so everyone doesn't look like Brendan.

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>>32755959
Quick question before I respond to your post, do you think there are ANY flaws with ORAS at all or is it literally perfect in your eyes?
There would be Triple and Rotation Battles in the Battle Tower if they put the Frontier in ORAS. There'd most likely also be Triple and Rotation Battles in some other facilities like the Factory as well, depending on how appropriate they are (I doubt they'd appear in the Dome where you're limited to two 'mons since they'd have to change the ruleset, for example).
If you were counting each individual battle style as its own thing, the Gen 4 Tower has four formats by itself and every other facility has double battles and multi battles, so it has 16 total styles by your definition.
(1/2)

>>32755959
>>32756267
>ORAS has many more new areas than HGSS.
I'm really hesitant to count each Mirage Island as its own area. Some of them feel like they were procedurally generated. I'm not just checking things off a numbers list for the sake of it, I'm trying to account for how much the area adds to the region. Route 47 and 48 expand the Cianwood area and are very unique to the region aesthetically with its huge cliffs. Almost every Mirage Island looks exactly the same, it's either a small grassy island or a small cave island. Some islands in different locations have identical designs to each other, and none of them really feel distinct to where it's supposed to be located since you have to choose it from a map instead of travelling there naturally like you would a normal route. I honestly think Gen III's Mirage Island is more memorable, and could tell you it's right next to Pacifildog despite not ever seeing it in-game.
Not even going to dignify your stupid Safari Zone idea with a response besides telling you you're stupid.
And Emerald double battles are tremendously better than RS's. Like I said earlier in the thread, you have more than two Pokémon in many double battles and sometimes have 4-5, and you can also just do two single battles sometimes, giving the player options if they don't want to do double battles. It's both an improvement for people who do like double battles thanks to the better teams and an improvment for people who don't like them since some of them are now avoidable.

Also stop deleting your posts holy shit this is the second time you've done it

>>32747466
This is me, except for SunMoon.

>>32747466
I can't enjoy DPPt or SM

>ITT: Let's pretend our shitty nitpicks are actual flaws of ORAS.

>>32747637
Visit any other fucking forum and the web and you will see for yourself.

Gen Vii is fucking terrible and this is coming from someone who enjoyed every other gen thus far

ORAS is very good. The majority of nitpicks that people have with the game are nitpicks that nostalgiafags make up to prove the originals are better (they aren't better, ORAS is the better game).

ORAS is far from a faithful remake, and I can understand this annoys nostalgiafags a lot. But that's because ORAS is more of a revisit of Hoenn, not a remake.

>>32754631
>it's completely optional to get those cool TMs and exclusive Pokemon!
It's also completely optional to play HGSS. Your point?

The problem is that shitty Voltob Flip can't be avoided unlike any previous Game Corner, where the slots were completely OPTIONAL. You could simply buy the prizes.

>>32751996
this. i like ORAS but i also think there are much better pokemon games that came before it.

>>32747492
Nice shitpost, retard. Gen 7 are the best in the series. All the autismos ITT have such shit taste constantly shitting on the games, you're a vocal minority.

>>32747648
>gamefaqs
LITERALLY a forum for the underage, including you. Gamefaqs and r/pokemon are where the shit posters are coming from, you're a bunch of ADD-riddled underaged faggots.

>>32747735
Take some adderall and you'll be able to play the games fine, that goes for most of you shitposters. You have ADD, what you say about cutscenes is irrelevant.

>>32747402

Same weak post-game content as X/Y, but set in a much worse region, with a much smaller regional dex, and no character customization.

>>32758975
So is there no such thing as "optional content" to you? Are you one of those people who spergs out over Bravely Default because they don't like doing every single loop but feel like they have to anyway?

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Did somebody say ORAS?

>>32758953
>But that's because ORAS is more of a revisit of Hoenn, not a remake.

No, it's a remake. Just a really bad one.

>>32747402

It's a internet meme and most of people don't actually hate ORAS, they're just followers

>>32759694
Second best game in the franchise, only behind based BW2.

>>32759727
>It's a internet meme and most of people don't actually hate ORAS, they're just followers
/thread

>>32759718

It is not a remake. It occurs in a parallel universe where the Ultimate weapon was fired and Mega Evolution was created. A lot of things changed, like Wattson fulfilling his dream of remodelling Mauville City.

It is literally an alternative Hoenn plot, not a remake. A remake replaces the originals in the timeline; ORAS doesnñt replace RSE, it acknowledges RSE exist as well.

Also, Delta Episode is an story not existing in RSE.

>>32759867
It's a remake. It also fixes a few issues with the games, just like every other remake before it and it gets some flak for the changes by the fans of the originals, just like the remakes before it. The difference is that most of the people who would bitch and moan the most about FRLG never played it, and most of the people who would bitch and moan the most about HGSS weren't expecting it and thought the mistakes were acceptable in the face of this pleasant surprise. Meanwhile Hoennbabbies spent all of gen v hyping themselves up to high heavens and then when there were changes to their precious memories their four years' worth of hype all came crashing down. I said it in the thread when Hoennbabbies were gloating and crowing that they finally got their remakes that I, someone who'd never really enjoyed RSE, would probably enjoy ORAS more than they would and at least with regards to the Hoennbabbies on this board, I think I was right.

>>32747402
They're idiots who follow the Gen V cockworship that goes on here

ORAS were the pinnacle of what Gen 6 perfected in terms of ease of use for breeding and online, megas, no need for HMs (at least fly) and many other small new changes.

>>32747402
Because people who browse this board hate Pokemon

>>32759867
>It occurs in a parallel universe where the Ultimate weapon was fired and Mega Evolution was created. A lot of things changed, like Wattson fulfilling his dream of remodelling Mauville City.

It's still a remake you faggot. Whatever story justification they give for the game's existence doesn't make it not a remake.