SM PU drops

>>32746179
>people thought silvally would be good or usable anywhere

how is everyone on /vp/ so bad at everything

It's only a speculative Alpha list, so I'm expecting mons like Toxicroak, Gallade, Scrafty and Absol to rise again (or at least get banned).

>>32746179
Im still using my nigga Alolan Exeggutor in OU.

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>>32746179
>All forms
BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY

thanks Masuda

>>32746179
>Lycanroc
>P fucking U
I haven't kept up with the meta since gen 6, but I thought rock priority might be worth something. Shame.

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>>32746235
Also, how bad did Game Freak shit up the meta this gen, what the fuck, some of these were decent.

>>32746235
it ONLY has rock priority. It's stats are meh, its abilities suck and Accelrock is the only worthwhile thing in its movepool. Regular Aerodactyl is still better

it would've been OU in Gen 3 but it has no fucking chance

>>32746227
RKS system is ridicously restraining, i know with those stats wouldn't change much but was it necessary treating memories as held items?

>>32746235
It would be if it was on anything besides Lycanroc.

>>32746235
Priority died when Gale Wings got nerfed

>>32746235
Yeah maybe on something stronger like Rampardos or something that appreciates rock coverage it could be good.

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>>32746179

>Silvally is shit

I guess I can use it in-game now without feeling guilty about it

>>32746281
People literally just fucking press explosion with a band and be done with it.

Useless POS

>>32746179
>20 FE gen 7 pokemon on this list
>1/3 of gen 7's fully evolved pokemon are PU
Holy fug

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>135 SpA
>78/85/91 bulk
>36 Speed- good for trick room
>Amazing moveset, pic related
why

>>32746318
>Normal/Dragon, no good Dragon STAB moves, way too slow, trick room still is garbage for the most part

There's your answer.

>>32746318
If its not garchomp, its shit.

>>32746304
Rangoon (Silvally-Fairy) @ Fairy Memory
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Multi-Attack
- Parting Shot
- Explosion
Best set

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>incineroar

>insert barafag joke here
I have no starter bias, just getting the obvious joke out of the way

>>32746318
it's gay as hell my guy

Wait, Spiritomb is in PU but Lickilicky isnt?

>>32746179
>vikavolt
>crabominable
B-BUT MUH TRICK ROOM

>>32746384
it's new PU Pokemon not all PU Pokemon

jesus christ fuck the power creep

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>>32746361
>>32746179
>Incineroar
RIGHT WHERE IT BELONGS

>>32746179
>almost 100 mons dropped to PU
And people say powercreep isn't real

>>32746336
>no good Dragon STAB moves
Since when is Draco and D-Pulse not consistent enough? Ever since the raise of fairies, special Dragon types are much more reliable hole punchers than physical ones.
>>32746346
They don't even share the same BST though. And Drampa has a consistent stat allocation for an average BST.

>>32746235
It WOULD'VE been, if Game Freak didn't decide to shit the bed and nerf priority to hell and back in the same generation.

>>32746179
>Favorite mons are now PU

The darkest timeline

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>>32746179
>Incineroar
>Sceptile
>Lycanroc(s)
>Typhlosion
>Guzzlord
>Vikavolt
>Electivire
>Gallade
Why do people like these things again?

I thought Jellicent was in PU or it was some days ago. What happened? I wanted to use it on my PU team.

>>32746863
You forgot Aggron.

>>32746899
This is only new drops

>>32746913
Kill yourself promptly.

>>32746179
That's some neat variety.

If I were competitive I'd prefer it to OU honestly

>>32746189
Was that post or pre stat reveal?

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What went wrong?

all my bros are PU...

>>32746179
>archeops
>sableye
>toxicroak
>quagsire
>gastrodon
>pyukumuku
>guzzlord
How? These all seem like RU/NU material.

>>32746189
/vp/ likes to talk shit but they don't like to do shit

>>32746245
>Fairy types all over OU
>Fighting/Dark type refugees head to UU
>UU refugees head to RU
>ect.

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>>32746925
>liking Aggron
Enjoy your PU shitmon

>>32746179
I'm not complaining. Most of these guys are getting +40 in every stat for Tier Shift. Although Guzzlord still finds a way to suck ass with +40 to all it stats.

>>32746179
>Silvally
I still find it hilarious that nobody besides me has figured out the good set yet.

>>32746189
When I knew Silvally's stats and that Z-crystals didn't trigger RKS system and memories didn't boost the power of STAB moves, I thought it'd be RU, NU at worst. Never imagined it would drop to PU, and even now I find it a bit hard to grasp how. Are its stats and type versatility not decent enough for NU even?

I can kinda see why all the others suck tho, but I'm surprised that togedemaru, being a fast electric/steel with nuzzle, volt switch, u-turn and fake out, isn't higher.

>>32746607
Reminds me of when they gave Swampert Damp as a HA-- an ability that, if they hadn't nerfed Explosion into uselessness in the same generation, would've been fucking great.

Gamefreak is fucking retarded.

>>32746991
95 flat stats basically means all your stats suck. 95 offenses are nothing, and you only use one of them anyways, effectively bringing your BST down to like 475. Silvally is a 475 mono typed mon with no ability, no item, a mediocre movepool, and no stat over 95. If you look at it that way, it becomes pretty clear why it sucks.

>>32746976
I call your bluff.

Is PU the tier after LC?

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>>32746179
>Incineroar and Dartrix are in the same tier

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>>32747170
holy shit

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>>32746934
Turned out to be a shitter Wailord from the looks of it

>>32747170
What's Dartrix's niche? Defog+Eviolite special wall?

>>32746235
Nightroc is unironically better because it at least has No Guard Stone Edge memes but it's still total garbage

>>32746931
Post
>95 in all stats with no ability or item will surely shake the metagame up!
>Y-you guys don't understand! It basically has the stats of Manaphy! It'll clean house!
>You don't even need an item! Surely Parting Shot will be good even though A-Persian can do the same thing with more speed and more bulk and do more damage with Foul Play!

et cetera

>>32746946
there are probably like 8 people on /vp/ with higher ELO than 1200 desu

>>32746235
>>32746998
People were only excited about it because between it, Dazzling and Queenly majesty, Talonflame was supposed to have more checks.

Then they nerfed Gale Wings and invented Tapu Lele so all the other shit ebcame redundant and uttlerly pointless

>>32746976
Who invited Verlisfy?

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>>32746179
Oh fug for a second I wondering why I didn't see Lurantis until I realized it wasn't a bug.

>>32746179
>Gallade and Cinccino PU
My best bros are PU...

FU when

>>32747264
Well they aren't either extremely good or particularly popular so no surprise

>>32747264
>Cinccino
Its right where it belongs. As Toucannon doesn't get walled by Steel types unlike the Chinchilla

>>32746179
>guzzlord

stopped reading there. Half of these pokemon are decent if put on the proper team and given a chance, smogon is straight up retarded if this is the bottom tier

>>32746459
who the hell says that?

>>32747305
It's so ungodly slow though.
And HOW does it not get walled by steel?

Samurottfags on suicide watch

>>32746179
>Archeops potentially in PU
Wow are people that scared of defeatist?
I'm gonna have fun destroying every single mon in that tier with it.

So who's going to get kicked to BL3

>>32747305
>fucking Fury Attack as best Skill Link STAB
>60 speed dead zone
>no good way to raise it what with its mediocre defenses unable to save it during Tailwind set-up

Just use Cloyster.

>>32747343
Flame Charge, Rock Smash, or Overheat.

But Cinccino has Wake-Up Slap, or Dig if you wanna be retarded.

>>32747213
>It has Arceus stats!

>>32746459
At this rate we're going to need yet another tier below PU

What's that one gonna be called, FU? Fucking Useless?

>>32746179
>Sceptile PU

I'm surprised it took this long, considering how adamantly Game Freak has refused to buff it since gen 4.

>>32747360
Shell Smash Carracosta deals with most of this tier by itself

>>32747360
A shitload of pokémon actually, this PU is a mess

>>32747400
It already exists

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>>32747411
Shit, I've been out been out of the loop for too long

>>32746179
>Cacturne
>Barbaracle
Really? Okay, I know Cacturne is already PU, but god, it's just too good for that tier, it wrecks havoc in NU, and I'm surprised it's still in PU.

As for Barbaracle, no way, it can't be. It's a very potent sweeper in NU, just one shell smash + tough claws wrecks everything in that tier.

The fact that these guys are in PU and mons like comfey are in RU I will never know...

>>32747442
no one uses them

>>32746318
>Ability requires it to drop to half to get a fucking +1 TO SPECIAL ATTACK.
>All through direct damage
If you want a slow special attacker just pick fucking Chandelure.

>>32746934
Fairies
I've tried using it it and it's only usable as a pivot in battle tree due to it's decent resistances and defenses against Thunder/Fire Blast/Hydro Pump

>>32746258
>tfw Accelerock actually makes contact
Mega Aerodactyl would've fucking loved that.

>>32747467
Why wouldn't you just use Latias if you needed to resist those things

>>32746179
>Ferroseed
what?

>>32746179
>Gastrodon and Quagsire
That's kinda sad

>>32746189
It has all the flaws that Arceus originally had with Multitype without any of the good stuff

>>32746179
>b-but fairies fixed the meta
>90% of fighting and dark mons in PU
lmoa

but honestly PU looks like the comfiest meta of this gen on smogon fanfic meta sim

>>32747587
I think Eviolite Ferroseed may have been RU or NU in the past

oh well

>>32747608
Good. Shitmons have been put in their rightful place. :)

>>32747186
none
i'd rather use golbat but even then PU is full of decent spinners and defoggers

>>32747608
>>b-but fairies fixed the meta
They did, Fighting and Dark mons were unjustly high due to their overpowered types. Now they're more in line with average types in terms of percentage of usable mons.

>>32747603
Quaggy doesn't give a shit. It's still viable in OU

>>32746939
Standards have changed from a few generations. More Pokemon. More power creep.

Stuff that used to be in a higher tier last gen or two dropped to lower tiers.

These Pokemon could be RU or NU in Gen V/VII.

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>yfw the power creep in Pokemon is actually worse than Yu-Gi-Oh

>>32747603
>>32747647
Will Quagsire finally find a permanent home this gen? Last gen was crazy for Quagsire; he was moving up and down all over the place

>>32746227
Should've just made it change form based on the Z-Crystal it's holding or something instead of discount plates.

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>>32746179
>Guzzlord
>all them fighting types

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>>32747346
I'm not even mad, Gamefreak are just too stingy to give my boi Shell Smash.

what does PU stand for?

What happend to Gastrodon?

>>32747810
It doesn't stand for anything; it's just a joke name

>>32746235
it's an inferior Aerodactyl.

>druddigon
But she's bretty gud

>>32747627
>now fairies took their place with an even worse dominance
>this is somewhat better
wew

>>32747810
"PU. You stink worse than a Skuntank's shit."

>>32747810
As the name implies.

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>>32747878
>>now fairies took their place with an even worse dominance
Aegislash really is the hero that the meta needs but not the one it deserves.

>>32746991
With that spread, your only hope for viability is a bulky set. And Type:Null does this one way better thanks to Eviolite.

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>sm give like 8 new pokemon to ou
>everything keeps falling down
nice game poketards

>>32746179
>being smogon sheep

Why are you so scared to think for yourselves? Why do you need to follow a cult?

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>Electivire
>PU

>>32747994
Should have been PU last gen

>>32747988
t. 1100 elo shitter
Some Pokémon are better than others, no matter what you want to think.

>>32747978
This sounds like others region too tbqh. Is there some kind of chart that shows how many mons from a region are in certain tiers?

>>32748004
*other regions

>>32747997
Nope see unlike you i don't follow Smogon cause unlike you i can think for myself

>>32748066
Sure low ladder shitter. Have fun with your shitmons!

>>32746179
>Scrafty
>Cradily
>Quagsire
>Archeops
>Luidcolo
nah man this cant be right these Cradily Quagsire and Ludicolo where the face of NU and theres no way there gonna allow a strong
bulky fighting type that cannot be statised to remain is PU

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>>32746253
>>32746235
before sun and moon my one dream move was a rock priority move and finally it came... stuck eternally to only a shitty dog, a rock type that cant even learn earthquake, this is some monkey paw shit

It's all because of the fairy types really, they are the reason for the power creep.

Fairy types are a failed attempt at balancing the meta. They just merged types like dark fighting and dragon. But they were also supposed to help types like ice and grass, which they didn't do. Such a shame.

>>32746179
Remember when UU was the lowest tier?

>>32746179
>Only 4 bug type-pokemon in PU
>one is an nfe with it's evo in UU/OU
>another has a mega that's OU
bug type nerf when?

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>>32747978
>All the OU Pokemon introduced in SM are "totally-not-legendaries" and a fucking Pikachu cosplayer

>>32746361
Bara-cucks on fucking suicide watch.

>>32748004
I don't think any other region had this high of a ratio of abject shitmons. Granted, that may partly be a consequence of having more tiers, but it really does seem like SM introduced way more trash-tier 'mons than it should've.
>>32748316
This only shows new drops. Shit like Butterfree, vanilla Beedrill, Mothim, Masquerain, etc was already PU last gen and aren't shown as a result.

>>32748316
Those are the mons that DROPPED to PU, retard. Do you seriously think Butterfree, Beautifly, Dustox, Masquerain, Volbeat, Illumise, Wormadam, and Mothim are ANYTHING OTHER than complete shitmons?

>>32746179
Is gen 7 the most unbalanced gen ever?
>90% of the Dex is NU
>Tapus rape the meta
>Z-moves didn't fix bad mons but buffed strong mons
>PU is now RU/UU

>>32748474
Toxapex and alolan marowak don't fit in either those descriptions

>>32748474
Why do people always forget Toxapex and Marowak when talking about OU alolamons?

>>32748562
/vp/ doesn't actually play OU.
All the info they get regarding the meta is from shitty hyperbolic memes they read here.

Reminder

Standard mons from gen 7 who are above NU:

OU
>Toxapex
>Mimikyu
>Alolan Marowak

UU
>Alolan Muk
>Decidueye
>Primarina
>Bewear
>Tsareena
>Alolan Ninetales

RU
>Araquanid
>Salazzle
>Comfey
>Golisopod
>Bruxish
>Dhelmise
>Kommo-o

>>32748579
>only two standard mons
>compared to all four fucking tapus and every UB except Guzzlord

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>>32747742
>MFW the cardgame's powercreep is exponentially worse and literally goes against everything pokemon is about.

>>32747374
>Rock Smash
>if I want to be retarded

>>32748617
>what is mimikyu
>implying buzzwole and xurkitree are OU
You don't actually play OU do you?

>>32748617
>every UB

xurkitree and buzzwole just dropped to UU this month

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>>32748624
How bad is it

>>32748617
>and every UB except Guzzlord
Buzzwole dropped because it's shit, Xurkitree dropped because BP got banned and it's shit, and Pheromosa is Ubers.

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Ambipom and Cincinno finally where they belong. Finally. Those shitmons belong in PU where they can be sort of good when they were both RU and garbage in RU last gen because idiots kept using them. Makes me so happy.

>>32748636
Not him but I tried PTCGO a year or so ago to kindle some nostalgia for the card game; there are cards with 300+ health and attacks with 100+ damage, and basic cards tend to have 70-100 health. I remember 120 health used to be a huge thing when I collected the cards as a kid.

>>32748675
Why do so many shitters are so fixated on those two? Specially Ambipom. Since gen fucking 4 people use it like if Fake Out chip damage is the hottest shit ever.

>>32748714
I see them use Fake Out on my Mawile after the Intimidate drop, I take, like 5% damage and their Life Orb does 10% to them. Then I mock them because they took more damage form their own attack than me.

I also tell people at every opportunity that everything Ambipom does Mienshao does better. You can run almost the exact same set (fake out, knock off, U-turn, return for ambi and HJK for Mienshao) and Mienshao will do better in every scenario.

>>32747213
does ubers elo count? im at like 1300

>>32748899
>sub 1600
lel scrub

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>>32748899
>being anything but 2000+

>>32748714
Ambipom is Verlis' favorite mon. His fanbase is full of underaged shitters. Do the math.

>>32746179
>43

>>32748086
See, I'd agree with you if smogon didn't ban out everything that was "un-fun". That alone dramatically changes the meta. Sleep clause, for example, locks out a hell of a lot of grassmons from reaching their full potential.

They suspect everything that fucks with the standard meta, and often remove/ban the only things about certain pokemon that make them good, just so that they don't have to deal with them.

Really, put any VGC player up against any smogon player, and the VGC will win almost every time, because smogonfags are coddled and live in their own special little bubble where the things that the devs actually intended to allow into the game aren't allowed.

>>32749115
Is that you Verlis?

>>32746179

haven't followed the meta for years so i already forgot a lot of shit and only have heard of the stuff that really hit some asshole friends i have (like smogonbird not being so smog anymore)

and seeing several of my XY bros in there makes me fucking wonder what the HELL happened while i wasn't playing

and even Kanga is there, I never used one but fuuuckin' whaaat?, the change to her ability really pushed her so low?

>>32749188
Megamom is doing fine.

>>32749146
nah, verlis is also pretty shitty. He's sort of the opposite end of the spectrum: when everything is available, you get total autists who have no idea what to do with everything and truly do believe that every mon can and is viable.

Clearly, tier lists are important. Some mons are better than others, indisputably. But when your tier lists are heavily influenced by an artificial set of rules that aren't imposed by the actual game, you end up with a highly skewed list that may not actually reflect reality. Anyone who swears by the smogon lists then goes into actual true competitive with them is going to be in for a rude awakening. While some of their mons will still be good as the tier listsays they should be, I can guarantee you're going to see a lot of mons that don't measure up to the unregulated meta, and you're going to get a lot of whiners complaining about "wahh, they used status! They aren't supposed to do that! Wahh, they used that bannedmon! They're not allowed to do that!"

>>32749188
That's regular kanga. The mega is still in Ubers.

The Quagsire Cycle:

>starts in the lowest tier, because outside of Unaware it offers nothing that other Water/Ground types can't provide
>rises to OU because one specific stall team gets popular and stall is a consistent way of laddering
>this team falls out of favor (sometimes in as little as one month) and so it drops out of OU
>it ends up in UU due to how tiering is handled
>over several months, it drops from tier after tier until it's at the bottom again
>then it gets re-discovered by OU

>>32749201

oh i see

>it's only the new drops

I'm too scared of seeing the full list then, probably all my favorite stuff is in there

except Greninja of course

>>32749200
You don't honestly think anyone with half a brain is going to go into VGC expecting Smogon rules do you? It's not exactly hard to play both.

>>32749391
That is why the Japanese wipe the floor with Americans in every official tournament.

>>32749419
Haven't past VGC winners usually been American or something?

>>32749391
Practice what you play, play what you practice.

As >>32749419 said, there's a reason the nips win every time. The West is stuck playing their own little made up rule systems. You're out of practice for what it takes to win VGC comp.

Every time you play smogon rules, you are doubly hurting yourself, not just by not practicing the VGC rules, but also by getting used to the style and pace of smogon. It doesn't matter if you also do VGC on the side. ANyone who plays only the official VGC rules will have a leg up on anyone who plays a mix of both or who only plays smogon. VGC plays differently. It's faster, harder, and less forgiving of mistakes. If you get used to easy mode (smogon rules), you will lose to someone who does VGC every time.

Now, if Pokemon starts to adopt smogon rules for how to play, then sure playing smogon will help you. But Pokemon doesn't, hasn't, and won't. They will stay with VGC for the official tournament and competitive format. And everyone who plays smogon is playing with a self-inflicted handicap as a result.

>>32749441
...no.

There have been a few, but by and large, the Japanese are the top dogs.

How am I supposed to use silvally anyways? People say to use it physical, but it's physical moves are all like 75 base power

>>32749484
are you a memester?

>>32749391
>>32749475
Battlespot singles is also really popular among fans though. And it's where typically good smogon mons like Greninja and Blaziken are used more often.

MOVE TUTORS WILL SAVE SILVALLY

>>32749735
throw it in the trash

want a physical normal type? Use Staraptor. Want a Special Normal type? Use Porygon Z. Want to use a Fairy Silvally? Use an actual Fairy-type pokemon, etc.

>>32749484
Just by the fact that Ray Rizzo won worlds three times and Wolfey won last year proves you wrong. Most of the international challenges (those that lately give you stones and have VGC rules) were won by Americans too, one of them was by a Smogon moderator.

so, if Silvally is in PU, where's Type-Null?

>>32748714
Technician Fake Out is just too spicy of a meme for people to pass up back in the day.

>>32749484

what is this, pre-2013? Japanese haven't been top dogs of anything that has been getting worldwide releases now. They lost out on that 1+ year advantage they always got back in the day.

>>32750058
Also PU.

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>>32749475
There goes my hopes and dreams.
Thanks Anon.

>>32750035
still not the majoriity :^)

>>32746189
I just wish it was breedable, do you could actually make a halfway decent one, instead of whatever they give you. Otherwise you have to reset 1000 times, and leave to check the pc each time.

>>32746179
>implying smogon meta is accurate
can't even handle QD pass venomoth or trap wobbuffet
sad!

>>32750058
see>>32750096
Also can't be in Little Cup because its only encountered at level 40, unless USUM changes things up and even if it does, it'd be instabanned anyway.

>>32747025
I mean, it does have a very small niche with Z-Parting Shot, or with using Multi-Attack+Memory to get a useful physical move of unusual types (Rock, Ice, and Psychic come to mind), or general mind-fuckery, but yeah, it's just bad at everything. Something shouldn't be that hard to use, just to not be dead weight.

Dusclops stall inc

>>32747400
>>32747407
>>32747411
They need to popularize FU (Add it to Showdown), and just split the difference. There's no reason Luvdisc and Beedril should be in the same tier as Gallade.

Someone please redpill me on what PU and NU are! ;_; Sorry! I'm still n00b-ish and want to learn competitive Pokémon and its meta

>>32746179
Jesus this PU is gonna be nuts.
RIP actual shitmons.

>>32750188
Seeing as PU is so big FU being made is extremely likely.
Not right now though. After NU and PU stabilize for a while.

>>32750189
PU is basically where the real shitmons reside. The ones that are simply have very very little to no use in the current meta. Sometimes, there's an unofficial tier called FU, is where the shitmons of the shitmons play. The irredeemables. The ones so awful, it'd take luck, or an extremely bad player to even make work in any tier above PU.

NU stands for Neverused because before PU, it was called that because the pokemon were simply, never used.It's now the 2nd to lowest tier because theres just too many bad or vastly outclassed pokemon these days. NU consists of Pokemon that have a few niches here and there, but are generally not worth using over most pokemon.

>>32746948
This. Power seep. Pokemon get forced out of their tiers by le tikis of balanced and healthy meta (Or whatever boogyman you believe in), move in downstairs where they fucking dominate, those guys move downstairs, ect.

Because this moving downstairs is asymmetrical based on what is big an popular instead of actual relative power, you end up with shit like Guzzlord, Aggron, and Gallade in tiers far beneath what their actual viability is because their home tiers are saturated with their counters.

>>32746179
Incineroar when it gets intimidate, it might even get to RU... but it's not gonna get much higher due to the immensity of the power creep.

>>32750211
The tiers are fucking weird now, though. OU is home of the broken and the gimmick, UU reflects old OU, RU reflects old UU, and so on.
I don't know much about competitive, but I can see this shit's whack.

PU was supposed to be a haven for wormadam, dunsparce, kricketune, etc.

What the fuck is an ultra beast, a pokemon engineered to hunt ultra beasts, and torterra doing there?

>>32750218
the outdated % usage cut and the growing ammount of pokemon in the franchise also influenced the last drops

Why don't they just make the tiers bigger? Change their arbitrary percentage to a lower arbitrary percentage

>>32750256

I imagine they'll have to do this eventually, unless they want 16 tiers

>>32750234
Anon, it's over. Shit like Aggron and Houndoom are PU now. Things with actual niches and purpose. Aggron is a solid tank and wallbreaker
with access to several key support moves. Houndoom is the iconic trapper and aggressive poker it always was. Incineroar is just a vaguely bulky fire type. Intimidate won't even get it to NU. It's sad, but it's just over.

>>32750242
Trying to hide from the thing that hunts Ultra Beasts, hunting the one Ultra Beast it knows it can take, and chillin' like a villain.

>>32746179
NU is still in beta, it's a tad soon for PU.
Porygon2, Noivern, Moltres, Drought, Ribombee, and Kingdra were just banned from there a day ago.

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>>32750242
>and torterra doing there
hehe subtle because torterra belongs below PU this gen

is Sigilyph NU/RU like the past gens?
this life orb birb is is one of my favs mediocre mons with those 2 nice abilities and that low speed

>>32750256
>Why don't they just make the tiers bigger?
Wouldn't this end up getting a bunch of mons "trapped" in higher tiers where they aren't really that viable?
Right now Kartana is still stuck in OU despite being garbage in the tier, and that's with the current cut off.

>>32747647
Quaggy Bizarre Tiering Adventure Unaware is Unbreakable.

>>32746179
>Scrafty in PU
Fairies literally need nerfing.

>>32747318
Thing is that in higher tiers there's always something better you can use in their place, and since tiers are usage based they suffer. Slowbro and P2 and Quag are NU but they're decent in higher tiers. They're just not used ENOUGH

>>32747346
He's really solid in NU Beta right now I can't complain

>>32747318
If it's that good, then it'll be too overpowered for PU and be moved up to a higher tier or borderline tier.

If something fits comfortably into a lower tier without being overpowered, that's evidence that it belongs there. It's frustrating seeing one of your favourite Pokémon be in a lower tier, but all it really means is that it gets more balanced play. Plus, loads of strong OU teams include one or two lower-tier Pokémon as a niche pick.

>>32750275
I'm glad they got banned with Drought but I will miss Ribombee

>>32746179
>silvally cheated his way into PU
>Steel 1.20971%
>Ghost 1.01259%
>Fairy 0.87160%
>Poison 0.46037%
>Normal 0.40339%
>Water 0.15565%
>Electric 0.12254%
>Flying 0.10399%
>Ground 0.10210%
>Fire 0.06433%
>Dragon 0.03591%
>Grass 0.03476%
>Fighting 0.03132%
>Dark 0.02624%
>Rock 0.01155%
>Ice 0.01131%
>Bug 0.00381%
>Psychic 0.00091%
This sums to 4.62732%, which is above the cutoff and puts him at roughly the level of meloetta.

>>32749484
sejun park is korean

>>32750460
I'm assuming at some point Smogon had a big debate about whether to count forms together or separately in usage stats?
Surely the fact that you can only have one on your team would mean they have a "disadvantage" in making it onto teams? Like, you can have a Lanturn and a Zapdos on your team but you can't have a Rotom-W and Rotom-S, so they would naturally have lower usage?

They used to count Megas as the same as the regular forms in usage too, which makes sense since you could go the whole game without clicking mega but it would still be counted as a mega because it held the stone.

>>32749484
2010: American
2011: American
2012: American
2013: Italian (?)
2014: South Korean
2015: Japanese
2016: American

Nice one.

>>32750474
Yeah I think they had it back at the start of BW with Rotom.
I don't think there was much debate over Silvally since the precedent was fairly clear.

>>32747318
Thing is with Guzzlord, it doesn't really have a clear niche. It lacks the raw power and movepool to be a nuke, the raw stats and typing to be a good tank, and is just overall bad. I've really wanted to like it and make it work, but every team I ever use it on, even in NU, it just weighs the team down

>>32750460

If we averaged Silvally's usage with Arceus' usage, we would have a definitive ranking of which types are best and worst.

>>32750500
No on a few counts.
First, no, because Arceus and Sylvally have (relativly) low offensive stats, meaning there is a bias towards defensive types.
Second, No because if you WERE to make an offensive Arceus/Sylvally, you would trend away from types that have a good, reliable special/physical move of that type. There's no reason to run Judgment-Ice when Ice Beam exists, while Judgment Rock is more-or-less unique.
Third, No, because Arceus trends more normal than the type would otherwise warrant because it has Extreme Killer.
Fourth, no, because both of their type's relevance is heavily shaped by the meta around them. Arceus-Dragon is hideous, not because Dragon is bad, but because Dragons are everywhere and everything carries coverage for them in Ubers.

>>32750582
>sylvally

>>32750596
Sorry, I hear something with "Sil" in its name and unless it's metal, my mind jumps to "syl". It's a problem.

Wow, Palossand dropped this far? I'm a bit surprised, I expected it to only drop as far as RU, maybe NU at most.

At least some of this might get banned back up. Remember, it's usage based, so it's possible a bunch of people just forgot to use Gallade, or whatever.

Didn't SM NU only just become beta this month? That might be a bit early to be deciding what drops further, wouldn't it?

>NU
>PU
>FU

What are the names of the next, let's say, 5 bottom tiers they are gonna need to introduce? Try to keep the names short and compact.

>>32750835
We already know what's below FU, it's XU.

>actually reach 1400 in OU
I thought I was doomed to always suck.

>>32750874
you still suck buddy

>>32750835
DU Don't Use

>Luxray not PU
H-how

>>32750035
Fuck off Dream Ball Aegislash.

>>32750750
Palossand is Golurk tier shitmon, actually something between Dusknoir and Wormadam Ground.

>>32750918
slow
lack luster move pool
physical electric type
:(

>>32750918
This is a list of the new faces only, so Gen 7 mons and mons that used to be NU and above at the end of last gen are shown. Luxray is not listed because it was already PU.

>>32750946
Golurk isn't all that shit, it has some decent stats and attacks. It's just mostly fucked over by Knock Off.
I still really wish Dusknoir had better attack to work with. I enjoyed trying an offensive one last gen, but it doesn't have the HP or speed to pull off much setting up, and not enough attack to punch holes with without setting up.

>>32750242
lol those pokemon were never viable, try FU. Although Silvally and Guzzlord shouldn't be there either. I liked it when the only legends were regice and articuno

>>32751109
>both PU legends were Ice type
Huh, really makes you think.

>>32747944
Type Null would be RU with Recover.

>>32750946
It's a shame too. Almost all the pokemon I really liked from this generation are just not that good.

>>32751176
Good joke
Porygon2 exists and is better than Null in every way

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>>32751109
>when FU eventually gets made official my bro won't even be viable there because new FU will just be old PU