USM Move Tutors

>Will move tutors return in follow up games when they've been a thing in them since Crystal.

>>32709586
True, my bad

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>>32709578
>Drain punch Bewear
>Drain punch Kommo-o
>Drain punch Tapu Bulu
>Drain punch Buzwolle
>Electroweb Araquanid

>>32709578
>Gunk Shot Greninja-Ash
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>32709622
Can't spodre already Icy Wind?

Perhaps Sucker Punch Muk and A-Muk compatibility, same for both Persian.

Also Defog for the genies :^)
But in general Defog tutor for the post and ongoing Hidden Ability mons.

Metronome, Softboiled and Seismic Toss is probably asking too much but at least one of the last two would like make Audino and M-Audino much more bearable.

Expecting classic Sneaky Pebbles and like 30% of useless and situational even fpr Double Battle standars move tutors such as Bestow and Quash. I expect tons of Gen 6 garbage status moves too.
Also there is no need for Swift tutor, just give Hyper Voice and Elemental Punch and Knock Off. Props for Skill Swap or Role Play.

Gen 2 on VC will also bring Kanto and Johto mons with HA and access to Curse and meme moves like Zap Cannon. Curse should help Regen Ho Oh, mons reliable on egg moves will be fucked however.

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>>32709713

>>32709578
I think most of the Alolan forms gonna have their original form's tutor moves. Are there any good moves for them?

Fire Punch, Thunder Punch, Drain Punch, Knock-off, and Irontail for would be cool edge dog.

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>>32709578
Just let me get something useful on Sceptile.

Aura Sphere, Clanging Scales, Overheat, I'm not picky but this mon hasn't gotten a worthwhile move since gen 4 and it's already wrestling with Audino for the title of least impactful Mega.

>>32709578
All I need is Earth Power Niheligo to fuck Heatrans' shit up

>>32709578
>mfw Sunny Day, Solar beam, Heatwave Lunala

>>32709931
This.
If Alolan Exeggutor can unleash fire, Sceptile needs to do so as well.

>>32709834
Elemental Punch Golem can touch Landorus and Garchomp now. Same for Muk, Sandslash gets pebbles.

Alolan Ninetales can hope for some extra status attacks, I jus want Encore normal Ninetales. Same for Raichu.

Other forms who have normal first stages don't have to worry at all.

Some UB can finally improve I guess.
Same for Necrozma and Marshadow and Tapus.

Magearna may get Skill Swap but won't help since it is restricted Pokemon.

Also elemental punch amd Knock Off Passimian, anythng for Tsareena (Lurantis will be still shit).
If MN Lycanroc is lucky it also gets the punches, same for Crabominable and Drain Punch (tfw still no shard and mach).

I can see Nature Power and Natural Gift being a thing too, or at least I hope. Then meme non STAB Outrage tutor and shit.

Necrozma the laser and ray autist mon still can't Focus Blast or Ice Beam, I don't really have good feels for it, might get random physical attacks instead.

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>tfw ice punch and fire punch

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>>32709987
>tfw
Can't fucking wait. Hopefully it gets Sucker Punch somehow

>>32709578
All those offensive Dark type attacks thatspuld have been already mandatory and a given on the meme wrestler anthrocat. Seriously.

Also Knock Off Tapus and UB cancer.

Block tutor for set up + rest sets.

>Synthesis + stealth rock Celesteela
>Knock off Pheromosa
>Earth power Lele

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>>32710103
Fug

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>>32710103
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 16 SpD Assault Vest Muk-Alola: 214-252 (51.6 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 SpA Tapu Lele Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 16 SpD Assault Vest Muk-Alola: 130-154 (31.4 - 37.1%) -- 81.1% chance to 3HKO

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>>32709578
I want Snore Drampa, for my ebin meme set

>>32709713
Hopefully Smogon will ban it after this

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>>32709578
Something not listed in the thread yet:

>Synthesis Celesteela
>Heat Wave Celesteela
>Zen Headbutt Celesteela
>Heal Bell Celesteela
>Zen Headbutt Pheromosa
>Vacuum Wave Pheromosa
>Iron Head Buzzwole
>Spite Pyukumuku
>Block Pyukumuku
>Endeavor Pyukumuku
>Trick anything
>Super Fang Guzzlord
>Knock Off Guzzlord
>Iron Head Togedemaru
>Elemental Punch Komala
>Foul Play anything
>Drill Run Toucannon
>Drill Run Skarmory (please retcon to compense Mantine's buff)
>Elemental Punch Gumshoos
>Aqua Tail Dhelmise
>Thunder Punch Mimikyu
>Knock Off Mimikyu
>Knock Off Tsareena
>Earth Power Nihilego
>Giga Drain Nihilego
>Giga Drain Pheromosa


I'd be very happy if Game Freak fixed their Solrock and Lunatone mistakes with either a level up movepool retcon or through tutor with Morning Sun and Moonlight, last time they were able to learn it it was in Dream World.

I can see them adding some Gen 7 and Gen 6 rappresentative moves too. Despite most of them being signature alike moves I don't really know what would remain out of those newly introduced moves. Maybe...Liquidation but with a very shallow pool of mons? Lunge? Speed Swap?

>>32710385
>Lunge Scizor

Oh bby

>>32709931
>and it's already wrestling with Audino for the title of least impactful Mega.

not even close. talk about victimising yourself.

The only thing I hope for is Defog tutor.
That and recons for old movepools (like they do every new set of games). Stuff like Liquidation Barbaracle (to abuse with Tough Claws), Aurora Veil Aurorus, Leech Life/Lunge Durant, High Horsepower Rapidash and Zebstrika (and Tapu Bulu too I guess), Shore Up Steelix and Probopass, and of course Trop Kick Hitmonlee is going to be a thing.

>>32709931
This is a joke right? Sceptile just got Work Up which works amazingly on it, plus new speed mechanics, it's easily one of the better Megas. Compare it with Ampharos, Aggron, Absol, Abomasnow or Camerupt to see actually struggling Megas.

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>>32710385
Ice Hammer Kyurem never ever.
But I'd be diamonds for a Freeze Dry tutor so that it helps Glaceon, Regice, Froslass and Kyurem.

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>>32709578
Hopefully Calm Mind is a move tutor this gen.
I want Primarina and Araquanid to learn it

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>>32709713
That is nowhere near as bad as synthesis celesteela.

That shit better go straight to ubers.

so, will we be able to trade and battle between SM and USM, even such as trading the new pokemon into SM? I'm not sure how the game would handle new data, although we were able to trade from BW2 backwards to BW.

>>32710631
Is this your first Pokemon game experience?
Of course there will not be trading between them, only transferring through the Pokemon Bank.

And..
> new pokemon
What new Pokemon?

>>32710666
he clearly means new forms

it's the same as bw and bw2 and xy and oras
separate ladders etc

>>32710631
You could in bw ánd bw2 and xy and oras so it's safe to assume yes.
>>32710666
>666
If it shoe fits...

>>32710620
Its a stallmon, it will never go to Ubers

>>32709984
>The state of Necrozma

T-Thank you GameFreak

>>32710620
Synthesis is terrible though.
weakened by weather. 5pp
Stronger in sun, but celesteela is weak to fire.

>>32710878
Its great when paired with Leech Seed

>Leech Seed
>Synthesis
>Toxic
>Protect / Heavy Slam / Flamethrower

>>32709578
Foul Play Pyukumuku

>>32709578
can't wait for Earth Power Lele

earth power salazzle and turtonator
low kick and dragon pulse Alolan exeggutor
synthesis dhelmise
giga drain salazzle
drain punch/low kick and superpower kommo-o
Those are all old tutor moves from ORAS, but we may get some new ones or just old move redistributions. In that case, I'd love to see these:
close combat kommo-o
shore up steelix ("sand gather" in Japanese)
instruct salazzle, beheeyem, slowking, and malamar ("command," and they're all known for mind control/leadership)
trop kick tropius
strength sap parasect
quiver, fiery, lunar, and dragon dance oricorio
power trip malamar
searing shot turtonator ("flame bomb")
seed flare sceptile
origin pulse blastoise (original water starter)

thoughts?

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Just find a way to give Alolan Raichu Surf
Thats all I want

>>32711311
Im so down for Origin Pulse Blastoise
It's even upgraded by his Mega ability

>>32709578
>Do you think Move Tutors gonna make a return?
Do you think you're gonna need to take a piss after drinking?

>>32711406
Its already available.
Just get the Surf Pikachu from the Japanese event and evolve it in Alola.

>Synthesis Celesteela
>UBs also get their natural abilities
>they're all Water Bubble-tier 3-in-1 OP abilities

>>32711415
Word which it's cover has been returned, slay me over it more.

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>>32711429
>every UB gets a Necrozma forme

>>32709578
Intimidate incineroar with:
Morning sun
Knock off
Thunder punch
Poison jab

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>>32711311
>seed flare sceptile
>origin pulse blastoise (original water starter)
>quiver, fiery, lunar, and dragon dance oricorio

>>32709578
Most likely, since follow-up games usually have them. Otherwise, these game are confirmed shit,

>>32711488
>Nihilego Virus spreads
>Infect Lusamine and the Aether Foundation
>Infects every UB
>UBs get Nihilego forms
>Oh no, Whatever shall we do
>Find Solgaleo/Lunala
>Find Necrozma
>Its Morphin Time
>Solgaleo/Lunalla with Powered up Necrozma Armour VS Nihilego Infected Ultra Beasts

>please give Crustle Shore Up
>please give Araquanid Aqua Jet
>please give Pangoro Sucker Punch
>please give Carbink Recover
>please give Snorlax Slack Off
>please give Throh Drain Punch

Those are just a few I can think of. There's probably some even more extreme cases of pokemon not learning moves.

>>32711311
>synthesis dhelmise
Would this really help though? I see dhelmise paired either with a assault vest or choice band, both eliminate the use of synthesis.

stomping tantrum tsareena :'^(

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>>32711949
>>please give Araquanid Aqua Jet

I'd kill for this
Also give it Curse or Work Up for fuck's sake

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>>32711949
How flipped on its head would the meta be if Shore Up suddenly got distributed to every rock and ground type pokemon, similarly to Roost's distribution?

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>>32712162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6120QOlsfU

>>32712162
>Steelix and Aggron are finally OU

>>32711450
ok, pull your pants down

>>32712162
Pretty crazy.
But it should be. Synthesis is a tutor move, so it's only fair that its Sandstorm counterpart should be.

>>32711762
trying to buff mons I like

>>32712228
Sorry, I'm not straight, I'm into homosexuality.

>>32712036
it really would, dhelmise's biggest flaw is lack of recovery.

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>>32712227
Steelix @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Shore Up
- Roar / Dragon Tail
- Earthquake / Heavy Slam

Buh-bye Skarmory

>>32710573
Why would it be a tutor move when it's already a TM?

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>>32712249
The thing is that defensive Grass types are only good if they have a REAL defensive secondary typing AND a good ability.

Meanwhile, Ground is already a defensive typing. And it's often paired with Steel, another good defensive typing.

Also, Shore Up heals two third's of the user's HP under a Sandstorm. No other weather affects it, Sandstorm already benefits Rock types by boosting their Special Defense, and you've got TWO amazing Sandstorm setters in the game.

Add the defensive of most Ground and Rock types and you've got bullshit.

Pokemon like Crustle need this though, but it should not be distributed to every Rock and Ground type.

>>32712293
>not Mega Aggron

Aggron-Mega @ Aggronite
Ability: Filter
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Heavy Slam
- Avalanche
- Shore Up

>>32712336
>and you've got TWO amazing Sandstorm setters in the game.

There's three now. Gigalith has sandstream. Though obviously it's not as good as Tyranitar and Hippowndon, it's still a solid mon.

Event Searing Shot or V-Create Solgaleo is fine too.

>>32712336
Or regular Aggron

Aggron @ Leftovers
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Head Smash
- Shore Up
- Roar / Dragon Tail / Heavy Slam / Fire Punch

>>32712293
>>32712336
>>32712433
all still shit
you must be at least ELO1050 to post in this thread :^)

Hopefully the elemental Terrains will be available

>>32712336
>Avalanche Aggron
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Avalanche_(move)#By_TM
>TM for Avalanche only in DPP

Sadness

So where do you guys think move tutors will be located?
I think either in Po town in the post game after the town is reconstructed after team Skull(given those events don't change) or somewhere on Poni island maybe at the battle tree kinda like how they were in ORAS. Sure they can be in multiple places like in other gen too.

>>32713585
battle tree.

And I really hope they stick a pokemon center or something up there, too.

SHELL SMASH BABY, ITS HAPPENING

>>32713585
They better be Battle Point based, either way the Minior must be like 25% chance of holding a color shard.

>>32714120
Nice meme

I just hope we don't get a BW2 copypaste, but actual tutors of new moves.

I hope old moves like Ancient Power comeback

>>32714559
Cool moves I would love to see:
Throatchop
Ice Hammer
Laser Focus
Psychic Fangs
Speed Swap
Strength Sap
Toxic Thread

>>32711517
Incineroar would still be inferior to Arcanine

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>>32709578
>Accelrock Golem
>Baneful Bunker Scolipede
>Beak Blast Skarmory

Dragon Hammer tutor confirmed btw.
Yes Charizard gets it.

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>>32709622
This

What usable moves could Araquanid get? Is Pain split plausible?

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>>32714120
So if we're going with moves that guaranteed will never happen

Boomburst tutor when?

>Skill Swap Regigigas
>Rest Regigigas
>Stomping Tantrum Mudsdale
>Solar Blade Sceptile
>Acrobatics Gyarados

>>32716491
>Boomburst M-Gardevoir

No

>>32710385
Zing Zap been a exclusive to Togedemaru is stupid, let more physical electric types get their Waterfall.

>>32715859
That doesn't change the fact that it does some things better/worse than Arcanine. It's more of a niche. Having Fake Out with high Attack and a added Dark Typing is real nice and if it gets any of the moves listed by the other anon + Sucker Punch and Elemental Punches it would be pretty good. Though i'll agree that overall Arcanine is better, for the speed alone.

I pray to god, we need Play Rough as a move tutor move.

>>32716491
>+1 252 SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Boomburst vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 240-284 (37.3 - 44.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

If only ;_;

>>32709933
THIS

>>32716554
>Acrobatics Gyarados
Why would it be a tutor move when it's already a TM?

>>32716820
I wonder what would be better in that case, z-conversion or LO nasty plot/agility

>>32716853
>+2 252+ SpA Life Orb Adaptability Porygon-Z Boomburst vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 455-538 (70.8 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I'd say, Z-Conv would be more viable/used, because it only takes 1 move slot and it gives +1 defenses on top of the speed

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>>32716129
>Using anything other than Outrage M-Zard X in the current gen

>>32716865
on the other hand with boomburst hitting like a SE STAB 90bp move, the list of things that actually resist it is ghost types and rock/steel so coverage moves are pretty much useless and you could actually get away with dedicating 2 moveslots just to buffs

>>32716936
>please fuck my ass with your hard tapu cock

>>32716955
>Being a pussy

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>>32712162
>every ground type
Messing with powers you don't understand, laddy

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>>32717008

>>32709578

There are still move tutors I've been waiting to return since HG/SS. I'm so fucking mad ORAS just lazily recycled B2/W2's tutors

>>32717008
>implying it wouldn't finally push it into ubers

>>32717047
>implying they'll ever ban it

>>32717028
Moves like what? The only good move missing from HGSS is Sucker Punch.

>>32717094
I'd honestly like to have Softboiled readily available for Clefable again.

>>32717104
The only move which needs to be available again is Sucker Punch.
Sucker Punch would save dozens of Pokemons from staying in obscurity.

>>32717187
Sucker Punch isn't all what it used to be thanks to top lel

>>32717261
Could shake something up in lower tiers?
Maybe?

>>32717008
Lando's face makes this comment priceless.

>>32716760
SO MUCH THIS.
I wanna use a physical M-Diancie.

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>>32710385
>>Heal Bell Celesteela

Bring back Softboiled and give it to Audino and Togekiss.

Are there any new moves that benefit old Pokemon?
Lunge Scizor comes to mind

>>32717951
Skillbirb doesn't really need even more tools and has access to Roost anyway.
Audino could do with a buff or two though.

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>High horsepower Metagross
>Blaze kick Tsareena
>Agility Tsareena
>Superpower Lurantis
>Hammer Arm Lurantis

>>32717028
That HGSS String Shot tutor...triggered.
It never achieved anything when Icy Wind exists.

>>32717104
I'm sure it already is with the VC and the fact those mons receive their HA when stored in the PokeBank.

>>32717951
>>32718089
>Mega Audino gets a different ability
>Literally anything

>mega stat retconned to be +50 HP, +10 to both attacks, +15 to both defenses
Congrats I fixed Healslut bun

>>32718303
>Literally anything
It now has Slow Start.
Or Defeatist. Would fit with how terrible it is now.

>>32718204
>>High horsepower Metagross

Oh shit, this is likely happening. Finally a Ground type move M-Gross can abuse!

Nasty Plot Noctowl.

>>32712162
>Shore Up Hippowdon / Tyranitar / Gigalith

Moonblast for Togekiss

>yfw they just recycle the BW2 move tutors with no new moves just like they did for ORAS
I really want Shore Up Tyranitar but it doesn't look very likely.

>>32718925
No. Please no especially when gen 7 introuced so many pointlessly exclusive attacks. Throw some old stuff into the mix too.

MoonLight
Parting Shot
Play Rough
Moon Blast
Aura Sphere
Cross Chop
Dynamic punch
Power Gem
Trop Kick
Accelerock
Lunge
Baneful Bunker
Spikey Shield
Clanging Scales
Zing Zap
Shore up
Instruct
High Horse Power
Solar Blade
Strength Sap
And others

Spread the fucking love.

>Curse pokemon from the VC Gold and Silver
>Scizor
>Ho-oh
>Maybe Zapdos if trading is possible and you don't need a buddy

>>32718925
Wait, maybe they'll add Gen 6 moves with selected tutor moves from past gens?

https://www.serebii.net/xy/attacks.shtml

I sure hope so

I want Tri-Attack to comeback as a tutor move

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>tfw you realize that Celesteela will be more cancerous in the next games

>>32709578
Accelrock, Bullet Punch, Quick Attack, Marshadow

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>>32720333

>Celesteela
>cancerous

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>>32709713