what went wrong?

They need to make more, and they need to make more non-dragons.

I'm just waiting for the gen where they skip one, though.

>>32655467
>what went wrong?
Dragonite's design

>>32655467
Nothing with Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp. Barney and Goodra are ugly, a staple for degeneracy and really neded a different stat distributions and typings to do anything. Hydreigon and Kommo-o got cucked by fairy type. Other than that they're a cool concept when they're done right (which the last three weren't sadly).

>>32655481
at least hydreigon was a bro until 2013

>>32655467
dragonite, salamence and grachomp are x4 weak to ice

tyranitar is x4 weak to fight

htdreigon and kommo-o are x4 weak to fairy

and metagross and groodra are alwats shit

>>32655514
see
>>32655504

Kommo-o is such trash.

They could have made it a fast physical attacker but instead they give it high defense despite most fairy types being special. Just a waste.

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>>32655514
>Metagross
>Shit

>>32655644
Yes

Dragonite got multiscale
Tyranitar has sand and assault vest. Fairy hurts a smudge
Salamence and Metagross got megas
Garchomp is too perfect

Hydreigon hates sylveon...a lot
Goodra is just a pure dragon
Kommo-o has a horrid movepool and no shell smash

>>32655665
No one runs assvest on ttar. The only set that sees any significant usage is choice band.

>>32655480
He's literally the only dragon type that's ever looked like a real pokemon

>>32655599

>Take 25 points from def and move it to speed and take 10 points from SPA and move it to attack.

>Give it close combat

Immediately becomes Top Tier OU material.

They massively overpowered them, then introduced Fairy now they're all fucked

they got to the point where the pseudos are just alternative statspreads and secondary types...More non dragon pseudos would give it more variation

>Speed

There ya go

>>32656047
this

highest base stat is 102
there is something wrong with that

>>32656055
>wanting 600 BST monsters with good abilities and typings to be fast sweepers

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>>32655763

>>32655467
They stopped making non-dragons

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>>32655467
Damn kommoo (or whatever its name is) makes Goodra look good

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>>32655477
Fairy tiger when?

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>>32655644
>70 speed
>weak STAB moves
>no STAB coverage
It was only good at walling, just like Goodra.

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>>32657310
Like I get you don't like Metagross but you don't have to embarrass yourself Anon

>>32655467
>Dragonite
Speed is too low.SpA is a waste of BST
>Tyranitar
Nothing.Always good,never broken.
>Salamence
Good.SpA is a waste of BST.
>Metagross
Too slow.SpA again wasting points,and it's even worse this time,because its special movepool is utter shit.
>Garchomp
Its stat distribution is perfect,Sadly GF overreacted and the next 3 were neutered.
>Hydreigon
Speed is 2 points shy of a good tier.Atk is a waste of BST.
>Goodra
Defensive pokémon without reliable recovery
>Kommo-o
Slow.Bad movepool.Stat distribution perfect for a Shell Smasher but didn't (and probably never will) get Shell Smash.

>>32657416
Tyranitar is too slow as well.

>there's never been a pseudo both well designed and with good stats

>>32657656
>my opinion is fact

>>32657659
>I was stating my opinion in a thread meant to do so

>>32655846
>now they're all fucked
Dragonite, Garchomp, Tyranitar, and Salamence are all in OU while Mega Salamence and Mega Metagross are in Ubers dumbass. Gamefreak deliberately fucked up other the later pseudos to prevent them from being over-powered.

>>32657617
tyranitar with a 100/110/100(effectively 159 factoring in sand stream) set of defenses is bulky enough to get away with a slow speed, especially because it has DD to make up for it

it's sort of hilarious that T-tar is bulkier even on the special side than goodra

>>32655467
>what went wrong?
Pokemon is a horribly balanced game where the only thing that matters is having higher speed than the other guy.

>Dragon has gotten weaker as a typing
>stats have either become less focused or not good enough
>Gen 6 injected a bunch of 600 BST mons into the game and Gen 7 introduced a bunch of 570 BST mons

>>32655467
Gen 6 cutting Steel's balls off and Fairy-type.

>>32657751
Yeah, but it has a vastly inferior defensive typing. It kinda got fucked by fairies too but hits Steels neutrally with dark-type moves to compensate. I'm actually surprised it's still used fairly often, I was sure that the Tapu fairy onslought would fuck it over.

>>32655467
Honestly, Garchomp.
Garchomp's stats are literal perfection in a 600 role. LITERALLY FLAWLESS! Gamefreak was afraid they'd make another Garchomp so they started to make Pseudos with huge flaws, which each one obtaining even bigger and more fatal flaws than the last.

>>32657300
>those sausage fingers
>thicker upper arms versus thinner ones becoming the fat hands/fingers

This.... explains Incineroar a lot, to be quite honest.

>>32657799
Tyranitar is
>still bulky
>still hits really hard
>still has pursuit
>still has stealth rock
>still has sand stream
>still has top-tier STAB

Tyrantiar > Metagross > Hydreigon > Garchomp > Dragonite > Kommo-o > Goodra

>>32655467
They've been getting less optimised, that's why the last two were so shit.

>>32657728
Dragonite is not in OU.

Goodra should have been Dragon/Poison.

Everything about it says that it should. Maybe they didn't because Dragalge was coming out, although that mon is terrible.

>>32659436
>not Dragon/Water

>>32655467
>92 hp
>98 speed

JUST take the 2 from it's hp and reinvest it into speed

>>32657416
>waste of bst
lmao epic meme bro

I'm so damn sick of dragon pseudos. Be fucking original for once...twice.

>>32659436
>shitting on adaptability draco meteor

>>32655467
Both of the raptor looking pseudos have shit tier designs

>>32659436
THIS
So much this, everything about it's design and entries suggests it was supposed to be Dragon/Poison, but then it didn't happen.

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>>32655467
>Dragonite
Personally, I don't have an issue with it as a standalone Pokemon, even though the change from Dragonair to Dragonite is really drastic. Multiscale has the potential to be annoying, but I never really struggle with it.
>Tyranitar
Ability gives it a ridiculous auto SpDef boost, which makes it better at tanking Special hits than the Pseudo that was built to tank Special hits. Mega looks dumb.
>Salamence
Just a faster, yet less-tanky Dragon/Flying type, disgusting Mega.
>Metagross
Disgusting Mega.
Garchomp
>Too good, to the point where it's been a staple for 4 Gens. Tired of seeing it, really. Mega actually puts it at somewhat of a disadvantage, docking its Speed.
Hydreigon
>Shit typing that is exploited by it just falling short of 100 Base Speed. Best boosting move is Work Up, which is laughable. Its Special Attack should've been higher.
>Goodra
Shit design, Goomy never deserved this.
>Kommo-o
Wonky design, shit Fighting STAB, stats too balanced for it to excel in anything without a movepool to support it.
>In General
Too many Dragons or Dragon-looking Pokemon, Metagross being the only one that doesn't resemble one. They kinda gave up on stats after Gen 4.

>>32655467
Hydreigon's a cool guy in Gates to Infinity at least

>>32658877
>dragonite above anything

>>32660247
Dragonite has usable bulk, especially with multiscale, good attack, good movepool, access to DD and doesn't look half bad

it's better than at the very least kommo-o and goodra and given what fairies do to him hydreigon as well

>>32655467
Dragonite and Tyranitar actually got better as the years went on and Dragonite only dropped whn Gamefreak added four metabreaking fairies

Salamence peaked in Gen 4, was fine in Gen 5 and dropped off

Metagross also peaked in in Gen 4 but fell off more steeply until getting a Mega a and peaking in Gen 7

Hydreigon only got one gen to rule the school

Goodra and Kommo-o suck dick so Fairies are what went wrong

If they wanted their psuedoes to be good they could stop making them dragons desu. Make more common dragons like Flygon and Altaria

>>32660265
If you're taking competitive usefulness into account
>garchomp below anything

>>32660271
thing is though, pseudo's are supposed to be extremely powerful pokemon that are more often than not used as signature 'mons for important trainers

making them dragon type is a fairly easy way of adding to that mythical aspect

>>32660295
if you take their megas into account metagross and salamence are on top

>>32660304
Fairies, Dark, Psychic, and Ghost-types all have the potential to make good psuedoes rooted in mythology, and if GameFreak is going to keep dickriding Fairies then they might as well go all out

>>32660310
It should be something like this then.
Salamence > Metagross > Garchomp > Tyranitar > Dragonite > Hydriegon > Goodra > Kommo-o

>>32660315
it's interesting that they went with the fairly radically different tyranitar back in gen 2 and then reverted to dragons

>>32655481
Dragonite is fine. It was the first dragon and it still does fine. Faggotmence needed a Mega first and it was made to be a better Dragon/Flying.

>>32655467
incomplete fighting line

>>32660080
how??

>>32660422
inb4 inject

Garchomp is them jumping the shark with pseudo legendaries

>>32655477
Dubs of truth, Metagross' typing was a welcome surprise that never got repeated

>>32660271
mega-mence is uber and is and has been competing with m-gengar for the mega slot for a while now
both megas also don't give a shit about the mega mewtwos, which is hilarious

>>32660788
Jirachi?

>>32660422
>Dexnav for adaptability skrelp in ORAS
>evolve
>tutor draco meteor
>???
>profit

>>32660788
>>32660953
Bronzong and Solageo

though obviously he was referring only to non-dragon pseudos

>>32657416
>Dragonite
>Salamence
>SpA is a waste of BST
Retard. Being able to fuck up dedicated physical walls was one of their selling points over the years.

>>32659468
You mean Attack. Its not like Hydreigon is going to lose any 2HKOs/OHKOs on special tanks with 103 Attack.

>>32655763
>fishing for (You)s this hard

>>32657416
>forgetting Mixmence and SpecsMence