Is this the hardest fight in the entire main series?

If you can beat Bugsy, you shouldn't have any trouble with him.

>>32586584
>gastly zubat and starter
>hard
what did op mean by this?

>>32586584
>Not catching Slowpoke ASAP
>Not having the best design of Pokemon in Gen 1 to be your bro throughout Johto
>Not rescuing a Bropoke from the niggers of the Pokemon world and raising it up to a Brobro

>>32586584
May before mauvile city is more of a challenge

>>32586584
>Johto
>Hard
Pick one.

It's not May 2 so no.

>>32586584
Nope.

>>32586584
Jotho is so bland with its fights I don't recall anything aside Lance and Whitney, and the latter is just because it's such a forced meme.

>>32586637
Gym 1: Accuracy reduction spam
Gym 2: Shitty attempt at high-speed attackers
Gym 3: >Le ebin Rollout maymay
Gym 4: "Look at all these gimmicks Ghosts have now, but even in this fight Shadow Ball outclasses them all!"
Gym 5: Casual Captain Falcon player
Gym 6: Dick joke
Gym 7: Nothing notable
Gym 8: Nothing notable, other than Claire's bitch fit at the end

>>32586584

Jupiter's Skuntank in Eterna is harder than this. This battle can be tough depending on who you have, but Jupiter's Skuntank is hard no matter what.

>>32586613
i dont get it

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>Slowpoke
>best design of Pokemon in Gen 1
>Not pic related

kys

>>32586672
Bulba line is a close second, and Snorlax soon after. Gen 1 had some good chillmons

>>32586584
When you're a kid playing for the first time it can be pretty tough because it catches you off guard if you don't have a counter to his starter.

>>32586649
>Gym seven
Oh ice type? Good thing I pick Cyndaquil

>>32586684
Especially if you rely on Shitorita to handle Gastly, Zubat and Cyndaquil.

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>>32586613
You mean may 3 you pussy. Battle her with starter, then after getting the first badge, then at the route before the third.

>>32586734
I recall the first badge fight being completely optional, at least in the original and emerald, so he might just not have done it.

>any gen 3 rival battle
>piss easy
Pick both. May is a complete and total joke.

>>32586584
Git gud scrub Silver is fucking easy.

Only battle I ever repeatedly had trouble on was the final encounter with Cyrus in Platinum. Even with them all weak to rock and setting up SR, I got my shit pushed in by the sheer power of his attacks.

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>>32586852
>playing as Brendan

Totem Lurantis was the hardest fight I've encountered. Once it summons Castform the two of the spam Sunny Day/Solar Blade/Synthesis and you're fucked. If you can stop it setting that up it's easier, but goddamn that was fuxked up. Hau and his high-speed Psychic Raichu was a cunt too.

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Is more Hard to find a pikachu in viridian forest

>>32586649
>Pryce's Dewgong spawning headbutts
>flinch
>flinch
>flinch
>you land an attack? too bad because the motherfucker is bulky as shit
>finally get its HP below half
>uses rest
>"nothing notable"
I hate that old scumbag so much.

>>32587353
Yeah but that's because it's fucking impossible. It takes less time to find a Dunsparce at the entrance of Dark Cave outside of a swarm than it does to find a Pikachu

>>32587359
>Meganium used Razor Leaf! A critical hit! It's super effective! Dewgong fainted!
>Typhlosion used Flamethrower! Dewgong used Headbutt! Typhlosion used Flamethrower! Dewgong fainted!

>>32586734
>>32586798
The second battle is only in Emerald.

hardest for me probably was Elesa's challenge mode team

did not expect that joltik to start tossing energy balls at my poor ground types

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>>32586649
>Gym 5: Casual Captain Falcon player

>>32587374
I remember that second fight, because if you played as Brendan and picked Torchic then May pulls a fucking Torkoal out of nowhere in that fight. Caught me off-guard since I didn't have a Water-type.

Then she ditched it for a Slugma by the Route 110 fight, which was a bit odd.

>>32587364
Pikachu isn't even hard to find faggot, try finding a munchlax in DPP

>>32586584

I mean, you just need a Pokemon with Bite. I thought this was logical.

Whitney's Miltank spamming rollout is the only thing I remember about gen 2, haven't played them since release

>>32586731
the gym leader's Pokemon are also ground and water.

Y'all need to git gud.

>>32586584

>Raticate
>Flaaffy

What's the problem?

>>32587444
The waters have no water move and get OHKO'd by Thunderpunch. Piloswine is slow and has garbage special defense.

>>32587405
Torkoal's got nothing on Nosepass

>>32586649
To be fair in gym 8 it was the only type of dragon gym to exist even today

>>32586608
Spotted the speedrunner. She's easy af.

I'm stuck on Dragon gym in my new playthrough..

Where's a good place to level up? I've got like, two pokemon over 35, and the rest are between 22-34


>Typhlosian
>Gyarodos
>Graveler
>Kadabra
>Noctowl
>Poliwhirl

>>32587644
>two water types
Wherefore. Anyway, the top half of the route below Blackthorn is the place with the highest level pokes

>>32587676
Poliwhirl is an HM slut, whirlpool, surf, waterfall, strength

i'll check that area out

>>32587353
my first encounter in viridian forest was a shiny one, so no, its not hard

>>32586584

if I can recall now any hard fight then for sure it was dennis in BW1

otherwise I don't know... probably fights were hard because we were kids and we had no idea how to play this game

Whitney was a bitch, my cousin and I broke our Gameboys out of frustration

>>32587620
Didn't gen 5 have a dragon gym?

>>32587735
And two (2) gym leaders

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This man scares me.

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>>32587773
I was not ready for this

>>32586613
this

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Is THIS the hardest fight in the entire main series?

>>32587773
this man wrecked my shit more than once in a game that was otherwise way too easy

>>32587927
no

>>32586584
Ghetsis

>>32587927
Cynthia in BW2 is more challenging, at least she's not obsessed with a meme pokemon (pikachu)

>>32586584
Anabel, Whitney, and Cynthia say hi

>>32588286
No, no and hahaha, no.

>>32587773
The fight was going great until he pulled out a Mega Alakazam. Thank goodness Primarina tanked that Energy Ball like a champ, I didn't want to go through that shit twice.

>>32587927
Lamest superboss ever.

>>32586655
He's talking about the 2nd Rival fight in Pokemon R/S/E.

>>32587344
You mean right

An actual hard one was Lance in the original G/S/C

Unless you had an ice type, how would you deal with three Dragonites? And unless you trained a bit to get your Pokemon in high levels, he would wreck you

>>32587692
Fuck you

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This battle at 110 was hardest for me

>>32586649
Claire's Kingdra is pretty notable. It's not likely that the player has dragon type moves to hit it super effectively at that point. Include Johto's horrendous level curve, and that fight can catch you off guard.

>>32588487
>he didn't pick Feraligatr and spammed Ice Punch
easy

>>32586584
the Flamethrower Skuntank in one of the Team Galactic fights (I think the Valley Windworks one) always fucks my shit up

>>32588694
>picking Feraligatr when you could have had Brosire, Polibroed, or Slowbro and done the same

>>32588694
>His Feraligatr's moveset was Surf, Waterfall, Cut, and Strength

>>32587725
Wow autism runs in the family

>>32586649
Morty can be brutal. Hypnosis + dream eater will hurt you if you go in without a plan

>>32588734
Feraligatr is strictly better than all three of them relative to obtain time, learnset, and contribution. Also the Poliwag line is fucking shit in gen 2.
>>32588738
nice meme

>>32586584
I remember bugsy suprisingme with how hard he was, but I was complacent what with him being the second gym, retrained and beat him,


whitney however was a pain, fought her several times on the orginal run and about five times during the remake

>>32587464
This, first Ghetsis is the most hard battle in the entire series.

>>32587927
>Stomped him with a team of mid 60's
Nope.

>>32587773
>Sina and Dexio are literally whos in a game full of literally whos in their first appearance
>Actually very competent and challenging in their second appearance

>>32588874
Lol no. The only reason you'd think so is if you overlevel it because starter. I also forgot to mention Broduck.

>>32588487
Oh no, Twister and some inaccurate moves, not to mention the nerfed hyper beam, and you go a whole new typing to resist hyper beam with.
Plus Ice Punch could be taught to a shitton of Pokes and was a buyable TM. HGSS is a much better threat due to it actually taking advantage of its attack stat and for some reaosn Dragon Rush has 110% accuracy when the AI uses it.

>>32588938
Lol yes. You get Totodile immediately, it's easy to level, and it puts in decent work against every single leader in the game. I'm not placing Feraligatr in a vacuum and rating it against other mons in that way, I'm rating it relative to everything else, what the game throws at you, obtain time, and their learnsets. Feraligatr is flat-out superior in that regard.

>Furfrou battle in X/Y
>mimikyu trial
>>32587773
Also champ battle in S/M took me on a wild ride. Barely made it out with 1 mon left pwning the last 4 mons.

>>32589007
>pwning
What year is it?

>>32588970
Feraligatr is not obtained before Quagsire. It does not have a better learnset than Slowbro/king or Golduck. It does not level easier than any of those past level 10 and it's not a good special attacker which isn't good in gen 2. Feraligatr's only not bad at anything but it isn't the best at anything either. The others all have something of note. Feraligatr has nothing.

>>32587773
>>32589007
All of these, plus the one Battle Girl with a Hawlucha in Reflection Cave.
>>32589067
Fun fact: Smogon actually does have in-game viability rankings if you dig around enough on the forums. Totodile is S-tier in GSC and I have no idea why, no one contested it in a fairly lengthy thread

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>>32587773
>X&Y wrecking my ass

That had to be metaphorical on purpose, right?

>>32589149
>and I have no idea why, no one contested it in a fairly lengthy thread
Because you get it literally at the start of the game, so it gains more levels and evs than the competition, and it's gonna be useful from start to finish of the game, while other water types require babysitting for a while or backtracking

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first fight against Oak on route 22.

-start journey
-walk straight to viridian city avoiding grass as much as possible, because you can't catch Pokemon yet.
-get package
-walk back to Pallet town, jumping down the ledges avoiding grass because you still have no Pokeballs
-get Pokedex
-walk straight to Viridian city again.
-finally buy Pokeballs
-walk west
-Gary motherfucking Oak waits and already has a Pidgey at Level 9 plus his level 8 starter. And you're supposed to win this with your starter somewhere between level 7 and 9.

>>32589149
>plus the one Battle Girl with a Hawlucha in Reflection Cave.

ah yes, the ender of nuzlockes

>>32589212

Agreed. If you beat Brock he disappears from this location.

>>32587773
he was pretty easy for me since i had both the comedy relief owl and Golisopod

>>32589067
>Feraligatr is not obtained before Quagsire
Yes, and? It still puts in a bit more work in general even as Totodile/Croconaw. The only thing I can think of that Quagsire will do better at is the occasional Electric-type and Weezing but Surf smashes those anyway. Imo Quagsire is the one most deserving over Feraligatr aside from the Red Gyarados because its easier to obtain and learns Earthquake through level-up.
>It does not have a better learnset than Slowbro/king or Golduck
I never said it did, but a quick look through their learnsets doesn't really give anything beyond learning Psychic later and Fire Blast.
>It does not level easier than any of those past level 10 and it's not a good special attacker which isn't good in gen 2
It's obtained much earlier than they are and again, will put in some more work. Slowking requires trading and Slowbro means you're stuck with Slowpoke for fucking ages especially in Johto with its fucked up level curve. Furthermore Golduck is locked a bit further beyond in GS and still doesn't offer much over Feraligatr beyond learning Psychic in Kanto. At that point the dealbreaker comes from "what does more earlier" and Feraligatr wins there.

You'd have a better argument with the Red Gyarados which is pretty worth it to grab as soon as you beat Morty. Surf still smashes things and it's not like Feraligatr has base 50 special attack or something. It's still serviceable.
>The others all have something of note. Feraligatr has nothing.
Except for being obtained earlier and murdering things better early on.

I get what you're saying but Feraligatr just contributes more to a run from a cost-benefit viewpoint.
>>32589149
ten seconds in google gives me this: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gsc-in-game-tiers.3472745/

is this the one you're referring to?

>>32587773
that fucking mega alakazam

alolan pokemon are too slow and weak to keep up

>finish up the poni gauntlet with a double battle against veterans
>finally a building
>let's go he-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJvEw1koxIM

>>32589242
Actually, ignore the Slowpoke thing. Apparently you can get Slowbro earlier.

>>32587464
Fucking this. The Dennis battle was the only time I ever lost in a Pokemon game.

>>32587353

What? I've easily found one on every playthrough.

>>32587353
some speedrunner found three straight pikachus

at 5% each, the odds come to 1/8000 for the set

why is it important? because pikachu is HAYAI and makes you waste turns running away

>>32589212
That's actually good game design. That battle teaches you that you need to catch new pokemon as soon as possible and where the League is located. While in the case you lose it it just show what happens when your team faints(you go to the last center with less money)
In SM you would have a roadblock, get healed and have dialogues where everyone suck your dick for doing nothing

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>>32589270
Can't be worse than Werster's ASTRONOMICALLY LOW chances of failing to capture a Caterpie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70VxVdUPwLI

>>32589242
But you can have the best Fire type in the game and a good Water type if you pick Cyndaquil. You can have one of the only two good easy to obtain Grass types if you pick Chikorita and still have a good Water type. Or you can have a generalist Water type and be stuck with Bellossom and Magmar as your only decent choices for Grass and Water. The choice is easy against Feraligatr in my estimation.

>>32589292
https://youtu.be/t1jwZg3cPM8?t=30s

Or this.

>>32589404
You don't need grass or fire types. You need a water type, 2 if you don't want to fuck over your moveset with HMs. In terms of team coverage, grass is awful. Fire is good, but Fire Punch is early to obtain and has distribution, so a Fire-type isn't so vital.

>>32589404
Grass-types are extremely shit in gen 2 (and wholly unnecessary) and Magmar is available in GS as soon as you hit Morty. It's also superior to the Cyndaquil line up until you actually get Typhlosion (and even then it's completely serviceable). I personally don't think Fire-types are necessary regardless (the only Steel-types you fight are Magnemite/tons and Steelix). In Crystal it's another story since Magby is pretty mediocre and based on luck.

>>32589292

dude, this idiot could lower it's health to yellow or red and then try and catch it... he's fucking retard

>>32589404
typlosion in gen 2 is easily the best starter, it isnt close
he gets thunder punch, fire blast, earthquake, + whatever else you want

There are so many good water types too, no reason not picking typloshion. Gatr is good, but with his high physical attack he's a lot better in SS and HG and kinda shit in G/S/C

motherfucking brawly
the only advantageous starter is Combusken and it's also weak to fighting
Zubat from the cave could work but there's no good training spots at that point
I put off gen 3 for years because of that fucker

>>32589554

>playing an children game for mathematics

>>32589568
You're retarded.

>>32589587

I didn't chose typhlosion for moveset

>>32586584
If you chose chikorita, then yes. Although if you chose chikorita, you were basically shooting yourself in the foot for the whole game. If only I was smart enough to catch a slowpoke in the place literally called Slowpoke Well before the fight when I was 6

>>32587359
How did you manage to get outsped by a fucking Dewgong?

>>32589559
>combusken
>weak to fighting

>>32587344
>crossdresser

Mental illness detected.

>>32589554
No, he's the second best starter. Feraligatr is better in part because you're stuck with Ember until level 31 (and no thunderpunch until 36). In that level range Feraligatr is far superior and is obtained earlier. In addition, like I've said, Fire isn't really necessary. The only thing you're really hitting is Magnemites, Sneasel, and Jynx.

>>32588734
Bro, you need to calm down bro. Bro-out with your bros drinking some broskies while sucking your bro's dicks right? LMAO ROFL xDDDDD

>>32589661
fighting isn't weak to fighting? I thought that was true for most of my life. this is some berenstain shit for me personally.

>>32589671
Also, I should add that this is purely from a cost-benefit standpoint. You're free to use what you want, it's more fun that way.

>>32588892
>I remember bugsy suprisingme with how hard he was

Since bugsy was literally just another shitty bug trainer. I can only assume you mean you got assfucked by his throbbing hard cock.

>>32589292
I don't hate werster but you have to have some serious autism to want to run a game that is LITERALLY 100% luck based.

>>32589559
>Brawly
>hard
>needing to train for Brawly
>not just getting good, clearing the cave, and coming back later

>>32589554
It was cool how you could get Earthquake and Fire Blast in the early game, and how Quilava can learn Thunderpunch.

In competitive, Typholsion's status as a starter is irrelevant.

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>>32589624
This is about Smogon in-game viability rankings/speedrunning discussion, nobody played the game the first time while thinking about that. Saying "muh children game xD" is retarded in this context. You're the type of person who sees a speedrun on youtube, press dislike then leave a comment like "why can't you just enjoy the game!!!!!".

Cyndaquil was the easy mode starter but people liked totodile more for some idiotic reason.

Chikorita was hard mode. Chikorita's coverage was fucking Grass/Normal with a 55 base power grass move for it's whole life. Worse yet was that bellsprout was available early which is arguably a better grassmon.

Cyndaquil was fast, had good special, fire/electric coverage and was great vs. almost every gym (kanto doesnt fucking matter by the time you can do it).

Totodile was bad. Like, really bad but it looked cool and had a good typing. The problem was that it's special was shit so it's Water/Ice moves werent that great. It could learn earthquake though which was nice. Otherwise, there were infinitely better water types available like Starmie, Slowbro and even Poliwrath.

>>32589730
>Autism discussion

What the fuck is there to discuss then? Pick totdile, stop being a queer and move on. There, speedrunning done.

As for Smogon viability. None of them are viable at the highest levels of play. There. Discussion over.

/thread

>>32589737
Cyndaquil has been more popular than Totodile since forever. Also, read the thread, your points have already been addressed.

GSC has shit for stones so Starmie and Poliwrath are largely irrelevant. Starmie doesn't even have access to great TMs this time around unless you decide to dump money into game corner coins.

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>>32587359
>having trouble with Pryce
nigga if I can beat him before Jasmine and Chuck then you have no excuse

>>32589737
Victreebel is better than Meganium. Weepinbel isn't and that's what you're stuck with until late in Kanto.

>>32589737
>bellsprout
enjoy your weepinbell

Anyways, why pick Water when there are like 130 water types? Hell, you get one right outside Violet and it's only weak to anuncommon attacking type

>>32589772
>>32589766

>Not knowing there is a guy that will give you a grass stone if you let him call you a couple of times

>>32589746
Learn to read, Jesus.

>>32589786
I'm not Jesus. He isn't even real. Please stay on topic regarding pokemon, for Arceus sake.

>>32589737
Mareep does the fire/electric coverage better (isn't weak to Rollout, Poliwrath, Kingdra etc.) and is easier to obtain than those three. Staryu and Poliwhirl are weak, and Feraligatr still has a niche if you're using Slowbro (HM slut, Houndoom)

>>32589772
see >>32589210

>Cyndaquil is easy mode
Until you get fucked up the ass by Rollout. I'm convinced that's where the Whitney being difficult meme came from

>>32589781
That's Crystal only. Plus that guy may not call you with a Leaf Stone before Kanto anyway

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>>32586584
This fight is the absolute worst if you picked Torchic as your starter.
Mud sport can wreck your entire team.

>>32589781
>playing crystal where your electric type options are even more limited
>waiting days at a time for a leaf stone

>>32589802
>not using Twave+Mud Slap

seriously it's not hard. The only tricky part is the Clefairy that might pull Sacred Fire/Explosion out of its ass

I can't decide on a single battle so:
>Blue after the giovanni gym battle
It was more just caught of guard and losing in surprise
>Whitney
Flinch hax/attract/rollout and attract fucked me over a few times
>Lance
The three dragonite were annoying
>Red
Mostly just the like 20+lvl difference between him and blue
>Steven
The cradily was a bitch
>Skuntank windmill lady
It was just obnoxiously strong for where the lvls were
>Cynthia
Fucking garchomp
>Ghetsis
Fucking Hydregion
>Diantha
Only cause I didn't use an exp boosting shit and was like 10 levels lower than her
>Lusamine
The cleffable and bewear were surprisingly tough

>>32589833
>lusamine

isn't her ai level one of the lowest in the game? She just spams Pain Split

>>32589833
Bewear can't even hurt ghost types

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>do 7 fights in a row
>face this cheating asshole
>if his Alakazam was picked, you lose
>Dragon Rage 2HKO's everything you can use
>Twave+Wrap in gen 1
>illegal Golem can use Gen 1 Explosion on you
>Starmie with its like 23% crit rate

>>32589837
Sorry should I meant the first time you fight her no pain split there.

>>32589781
Only in Crystal and HG/SS

>>32589832
>meme
It's not hard at all, I'm just saying that if you're used to just killing everything with Cyndaquil/Quilava then suddenly your attacks aren't doing as much damage against what's basically a fully evolved mon that can also hit it for SE, the battle will look a lot more difficult than it is. Also
>unironically using Mud-Slap
What even learns T-wave at that stage?

>>32589819
>use Lombre/Shroomish/Roselia
>Absorb
There done

>>32589833
>valley windworks fight

She had a Purugly, which is faster than literally everything in the game up to that point, at less than half the level it evolves at. Had a Nuzlocke die to that bitch

>>32589860
>What even learns T-wave at that stage?
Flaaffy. Level 18 in gen 2, level 14 or 15 in gen 4

>>32589544
Its a speedrun, and in speedrunning in Pokemon, you don't heal at the Pokemon center outside of very few situations such as Teleport/Blackout strats, so he needed all the PP available and couldn't waste none of it.

>>32589860
Mareep?

>>32589864
>>32589869
Oh right. Been a while since I used the sheep.

>>32589864
>Purugly
Oh yeah, whoops. Fuck that bitch.

>>32589847
HAL had massive balls to do something like this. Even though the AI had to literally cheat, they did give us older folks something worthwhile.

>>32589515
You only need 2 water HMs, and one of those is available to a shitload of non-water mons

>>32589902
You need Whirlpool once, Waterfall for Tohjo Falls, and Surf for everything else.

>>32589847
I beat him by using my own Dratini from my game with Dragon Rage. Even with thatleveling the playing field he's tough as hell.

>>32589909
Oh that's right Dragon's Den. You can teach it to Sentret though, so again, if you really don't want to you can skip out on using a Water-type altogether

>>32589920
Didn't Stadium 2 ban Dragon Rage for Pika Cup?

>>32589902
it's 3 water HM's, but Whirlpool is only needed one time, twice if you're on SS

>>32589931
Not in GSC. Even in HGSS, your options for non-Water Waterfall are Dragonite and Lugia.

>>32589718
That entire first sentence is bullshit. None of that is true in G/S/C. Unless you want to pay 5500 coins for Fire Blast, but you could get Surf for free in the time it would take you to get that many coins. Earthquake is available late, but even if it were early, Feraligatr could still learn it and could make better use of it. Croconaw can learn Ice Punch for coverage whereas Quilava has to wait for evolution before it gets anything better than Flame Wheel and it can't even learn Thunderpunch.

>>32590003
*Dragonite family

>not making ampharos your fire type in gen 2

It gets Fire Punch, close enough. Not like Typhlosion's gonna be getting Flamethrower ingame.

>>32590011
That was sarcasm fyi

>>32590011
He probably made a typo desu

>>32590003
I'm just saying, it's not an absolute necessity.

>>32590144
You're wrong. A water type is absolutely necessary in GSC. A water type or a Dratini is absolutely necessary in HG.

>>32589847
Fucking hell, I remember seeing this team and wondering how the fuck he could have half of these pokemon. Pokemon Stadium 1 AND 2 had some rediculous fights, like Karen in both rounds. All she does is fucking Attract, T-Wave, Swagger, and Screech. It was like they wanted you to throw the console out the window.

Something I never understood:
>Enemy uses sleep powder, it nearly always hits
>You use sleep powder, it's going to miss twice before hitting
>You sleep for at least 3 turns
>Enemy wakes up after 1
>You have a 50/50 chance to hurt yourself during confusion
>Enemies have a 75% chance to attack normally during confusion
>You Double Team 5 times and the enemy hits you normally
>Enemy uses Double Team 5 times and you can't hit for shit

>>32590288
Dratini can learn both Whirlpool and Waterfall in the originals too. So yeah. You can sub it for a Water type if you REALLY hate Water types and don't want to use it.

>>32590488
The computer cheats.

>>32590362
Dragonair is possible from Yellow's Safari Zone.
Machamp is apparently some tradeback, and Golem is straight up impossible outside of the japanese versions

>>32590497
I understand this but it also begs the question of if you're going to have the computer cheat then why implement something like Battle Tree where you can't do shit unless you breed for perfect pokemon and use Legit Competitive set ups and just hope your sweeper can kill anything because your stall isn't going to be effective if it relies on confustion/paralyze/sleep

>>32590517
>ai has nothing to lose from trying unsafe strategies
>you have a streak of potentially hundreds at risk, and dozens of hours of work.

All I can really do is Truant Durant and hope they don't counter it.

>>32589864
Don't forget that the first thing she sends out is a Zubat that has Toxic. It's unlikely that Shinx has Spark yet, and the only good Rock type you've got at that point is Geodude. So somebody's getting badly poisoned, and there isn't much you can do about it. The only Poison type you can get that can realistically counter her Toxic is another Zubat, since Gastly is fucked up by Bite and Budew/Roselia can't do shit to a Poison/Flying type. This Zubat is immediately followed up by the god damn Purugly, which has perfect neutral coverage on everything you can get up to that point.

It's like that fight, even though it only consists of two enemies, is specifically designed to fuck your shit.

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>>32590497
Do some research before you make baseless claims.

>>32590603
It's been a while since I've played a Sinnoh game but IIRC by this point you've already beaten Roark, who has pokemon at around the same level. How the fuck are you underleveled against her?

>>32590651
Her Pokemon are a bit stronger but the issue is more like Purugly is annoying. Also it feels like everything in DPPt has Fake Out for some reason.

>>32590645
I sit corrected then. I know it learned it at some point in its evolutionary tree though because my L100 Dragonite from back in the day had it

>>32589936
For LC. There is no Pika Cup in Stadium 2.

>>32588738
>Feraligatr learning Waterfall in the same gen as Ice Punch during the main story
This is how I know you didn't play GSC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRTXy4U_ChE
2nd strongest trainer lvl-wise but with nonshitmon unlike Red.

>>32589847
Lol I've beaten his alakazam, so that's false

>>32586584
I would say this is the second hardest fight. The hardest fight would be fighting Blue by Nugget Bridge. Both fights have a lot in common: they are a complete surprise, and there is no useful training grounds around due to a lack of trainers and underleveled Pokemon in the grass. As well, there is the issue of a lack of money for healing items because of the scarce amount trainers.

However I give it to Blue because his Pokemon are higher levelled and his fucking Pidgeotto has Sand Attack, as well as the fucking Hyper Fang Rattata. Jesus Christ that fight is annoying.

>>32587353
I don't think so. I've found Pikachu's there, and also Pidgeottos in Yellow pretty easily.

>>32588487
I would say even Will is incredibly difficult, honestly. Most people get to the League with levels in the mid-late 30s... and then you just have STAB Psychic spam from level 40s...

>>32590915
this remind me of that Rocket grunt using Raticate in Mt. Moon in Gen I.

>>32588612
Yeah this fight is ridiculous.

The part before the Ice Path, the trainers don't even have level 30 Pokemon yet.

>>32590937
Yep. That was also a huge pain in the ass. That early game STAB hyper fang is so damn annoying...

>>32590915
What. I mean, I get that maybe if you just beat Bugsy and went the wrong way you might get btfo by Silver but why in the world would you not heal at the pokemon centre as soon as you reach Cerulean after clearing Mt. Moon?

>>32590942
But you should have cleared the Radio Tower by then, and the Rockets do have pokemon in the 30s.

>>32590973
What are you talking about?

You would heal. But you need healing items during the fight because of how difficult it is.

>>32590980
>you need healing items

lol just use leech seed it's not like Pidgeotto learns a flying type attack in gen 1

>>32590978
That's true. But then, you go east of Mahogany Town, and then the trainers are weak. The Pokemon in the grass are weak. The Ice Path has no trainers. And then you get to Blackthorn City, can only train on level 25 Gravelers below, and more weak trainers, and you're supposed to take down a Kingdra with at MOST Twister. It's ridiculous. Even after you beat Claire, while going to the Pokemon League, the trainers are weaker than she is.

It was bad planning.

>>32586584
When I was a kid and first played it, this battle was hard for no reason
>>32587464
I had no problem with Ghetsis, all of his mons were either 1 or 2 hit ko's
>>32587773
This fight caught me off guard
>>32587927
In the originals I remember it being an intense fight but the remakes being easy
>>32588585
I hate this fight

>>32590980
No you don't. What are you talking about? You're facing a Pidgeotto, an Abra that can't do jack shit, a Rattata at level fucking 15, and the starter. Big fucking deal. Unless you get really unlucky with Pidgeotto-s Sand Attack, there should be no reason for you to struggle with him.

>>32588612

The only Dragon Pokemon available to the player at this point in GSC are Kingdra itself (only via Trade) and the Level 10 Dratini you would have received immediately before this battle (Crystal only). And given Claire's Kingdra will always be a higher level than yours due to the fucked Level curve, and Dragon is super effective against Dragon, actually bringing your own Kingdra would probably be a bad idea anyway.

Cliare's probably the only Gym Leader in the whole series that is actually impossible to prepare for.

>>32586584
I have a question.


What is the easiest, most actionable and least difficult pokemon game of all?


I'm looking for pokemon games that are super easy

>>32591024
>the only dragon pokemon available at this point

motherfucker they're the ONLY dragon pokemon in the game period. Also i'm pretty sure you can just cripple her team with Twave.

>>32591024
Dratini is a Game Corner prize in GS but that doesn't change much.

>>32591024
Well. You could have gotten the Game Corner Dratini as 1000 coins ain't a big deal. Or you could have gotten a Jynx in Ice Path or better yet, caught the Union Cave Lapras. Or you could have caught a Skarmory in the route directly below Blackthorn if you didn't pick the inferior version. Or you could have caught a Magnemite before Olivine. Or if you weren't a bitch nigga and used Meganium, Light Screen leaves her completely fangless.

>>32591035
All of them. Take your pick.

>>32591050
>jynx

oh yes that 30 defense is gonna tank a hyper beam. Just use an Ampharos or Gyarados against her Kingdra, you don't NEED to be supereffective against Kingdra, being neutral is good enough

>>32591050
I rather look for games of pokemon, that are totally direct and without any challenge or difficulty.


I do not like turn-based fighting.


And I like the direct games without obstacles and without difficulty

>>32591059
>dont like turn based

Go play Rumble then

>>32591024
I would posit that the player almost certainly has Red Gyarados at that point and it comes with Twister and Dragon Rage for free

>>32591050
you do realize kingdra is not weak to ice?

>>32587405
Torkoal was definitely more shock value than an actual challenge.

>>32591038

No, there's also Dragonair and Dragonite. But you can only possibly have a Dratini by Claire unless you spend ten thousand hours grinding on Level 25 Shitmons on the Route below.

>>32591064
I'm just very sorry

I only play Video Games Rated E for Everyone on the ESRB

>>32591057
Only in HGSS. In the originals it has Bite instead of Twister. Also both Twister and Bite are complete wastes on Gyarados and Dragon Rage is absolute garbage by that point.

>>32591076
Do you realise that Kingdra is only one pokemon and the other three are weak to it? Also you do realise that Jynx is faster and has Lovely Kiss?

>>32591050

Jynx and Lapras do not hit SE, and the Jynx you can catch are like Level 25 or some dumb shit. Skarmory doesn't resist Water and has poor Special Defense so I don't know why your dumb ass even brought it up, it won't do shit against Kingdra.

>>32591087
>not getting Hidden Power Dragon for the fight

laughing at your life right now

>>32587353
>tfw caught a Viridian Forest Pikachu during a Nuzlocke and carried it through the entire game.

>>32586649
Morty's gengar can be rendered useless by a level 1 togepi

>>32591098
But we were specifically talking about the Kingdra's unusual difficulty.

>>32591129
>Jynx is faster and has Lovely Kiss

>>32591122
It has Hypnosis and Dream Eater you STUPID faggot.

>>32591144
>>32591144
Considering it quite clearly says "level ONE" it's pretty obvious he was referring to the remakes. Dipshit.

>>32591144
Awakenings are cheap, and you can just paralyze it or use Dig in gen 2

>>32590897
>nonshitmons
>Rapidash
>Floatzel
uh.

>>32591172
Quagsire's Magnitude.

>>32591156
You mean it's pretty obvious YOU were referring to the remakes you stupid SAMEfaggot.

>>32591134
>leveling up a level 20 shitmon when your gyarados will probably work fine

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>>32591222
Nope

>>32591220
What? Wooper or Quagsire don't learn Magnitude at all in gen 2.

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>>32591172
>using items during a battle

>>32591228
>wasting time leveling up a slow growth mon with no special attack you aren't using again instead of using a fast special attacking Ice type that will also be invaluable against Lance

>>32591035
Gen 6 is typically regarded as the easiest due to the increased and better movepools (without the AI taking advantage of them outside of a few battles), Mega Evolutions basically given to you for free, the EXP share being like the Gen 1 EXP share, but actually good, a good amount of TMs given to you by midgame (and they're unlimited) , PokeAmie basically giving you a 20% exp bonus, a mini-sandveil, mini-endure, and mini superluck, as well as mini shed skin all in one and the sheer amount of options of Pokemon you're given. Also exclusive to ORAS which is the dexnav which you can capture Pokemon with eggmoves as well as them being 10 levels higher than they normally are. If you use everything Gen 6 gives you, it's a cakewalk that makes Gen 1 look like Super Meat Boy in terms of difficulty.

>>32587773
>tfw monotype poison playthrough.

G-good thing he's after the elite 4...

>>32591266
>sm monotype poison
>not having an alolan muk

>>32591286
Assuming he doesn't croak in my adventure of course, since I'm nuzlocking it.

>>32591220
You're not grinding Quagsire enough for EQ that early in the game. Best you have is STAB Dig from it, however

>>32590990
This. That's why I don't like this bullshit about non-linearity in Pokémon. The only time they tried it, that happened. There's no problem with a linear game.

>>32591260
It doesn't. In fact, Gen 1 and 6 are comparable in terms of difficulty in that they're both piss-easy.

>>32591425
You could grind Wooper enough for it that early in the game. It's totally possible to hit level 31 if you solely grind it and ignore everything else.

>>32586584
NO FUCKING WAY.
This fight literally made 7 year old me return the game to the store because I couldn't beat it, and didn't think to just grind to higher levels first.
Never forget

>>32588286
>and Cynthia
Let be guess. Soloed the game with Infernape, right?

>>32588940
>and you go a whole new typing to resist hyper beam with.
Oh great, Magneton, or some shit you don't get if you have no friends. Super helpful. Sure would be a shame if Fire Blast was anywhere in this fight.

>>32591941
>Not having friends
that's all on you buddy.

>>32591867
Both are piss easy, but Red and Blue at least let you hold your own dick while you do it. X and Y holds it, then shakes it out fore you. 5 shakes, just enough for it to feel like it's touching you.

>>32591481
Well, that was then. Now they could implement a flag-based progression system that made the pokemon in different routes increase in level if you have earned a certain badge. But Game Freak is to lasy for that.

>>32587464
>>32587464
I had trouble with the Hydreigon, but everything else was a joke.

>>32591977
>Now they could implement a flag-based progression system
They've had that since gen 1, they just don't do much with it.

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>>32586584
>GSC
>hard

Nigger what

The fight with Barry right after leaving Jubilife always fucked me up, but that's because I never explore the route to the north before fighting him.

>people are saying a crybaby with a pink cow is difficult
i love this fandom.

>>32586594
When I was little I used to only train my starter, and the rest of the team was HM slaves.
This fight was hell.

>>32587927
Absolutely. His Pokémon are a joke, but the levels were cringy af. I remember first time we battled he was 20 levels higher. Also Lapras bulk, don't even try to remind me.

>>32588585
Was much easier than gym leader in next town. Damn that old guy is insane!

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>Gen 2
>hard at all

I bet you still think Whitney is a ballbuster

>>32588694
>Not picking Typhlosion

Ever since I was an autist kid I've always picked Typhlosion in Johto games. Not to mention Feraligatr goes more with Silver

>>32587644
Follow up.

Bought a bunch of Hyper Potions, and let Gyarodos pretty much solo Dragon Gym.

Blizzard for the Dratini's, Thunder for the other Gyarodos, and Bite against the Dragonseahorse.

>>32593327
>and Bite against the Dragonseahorse
>Bite
baka nigga
Thunder and Blizzard would've been twice as fast assuming they hit, Kingdra doesn't resist Electric or Ice.

This entire thread needs to git gud

>>32587773
>Literally "suprise motherfucker"

Could have at least healed you prior or given you a "are you ready" choice like literally every other battle.

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>>32588585
only challenging part for beginners who picked mudkip and only level their starters. Plus it immediately follows with the two easiest gym leaders

>>32586584

That's not Cynthia in Platinum or B/W.

>>32593543
It's also easily remedied with Taillow. Flannery can catch you off guard at least, Sunny Day Overheat can be nasty. Her Torkoal also has Attract and Body Slam.

>>32587773
Fucking this guy. Did not expect the battle at all and had just caught all the UB's (headed to Guzzlord or whatever) w/o healing. Nigga just about wrecked my shit and I even had to use two revives

>>32589559
If you didn't have a Taillow or Wingull this guy fucking sucked. Had to restart multiple times on last playthrough of Sapphire but I might just be autistic.

>>32593556
I always found Cynthia a massive pushover, especially since her Spiritomb lets you set up all over it's swirly face.

>>32587927
>pushed hit shit in with a team 20 levels lower without a single healing item

His team is dogshit because he relied on handouts.

>>32587927
DUDE HIGH LEVELS LMAO: the battle
not as hard as you'd expect

>>32593466
Blizzard was low PP.
Thunder was pretty low accuracy and I needed it for the Gyarodos, Bite was a high PP move, and caused flinch once in awhile.

>>32588570
it's an alolan raichu in sun and moon now :^)

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>>32587773
>leveling up and EV training Eevee for Extreme Evoboost shenanigans
>only have 3 mons at the time
>suddenly Dexio
>somehow manage to sweep everything but Alakazam with Extreme Evoboost
>finish off Alakazam with Lycanroc's Sucker Punch
i was the epitome of not ready but i still managed to do it

>>32586649
Morty's gym was notable ONLY for having nothing but Ghastly and its evolutions, even in the remakes.

>>32593733
That's generally how I beat Cynthia. The AI is somewhat buttfucked so you can X-boost your team and sweep her.

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>>32586649
IMO morty's fight didn't have much thought out into it. When I got to his gengar, it used up all its pp on sucker punch then mean looked my spearow. Both of us were trapped and couldn't do shit until his gengar got struggle and I could switch out to something that could hit him.

>>32589559
>It doesn't affect Sableye...

>>32586649
>Gym 8: Nothing notable, other than Claire's bitch fit at the end
Kingdra is a pain in the ass 2bh
Then again I was like 10 when I played gold the last time so that might be the reason

>>32586584
it only was a bit tough in SS/HG.

>>32594004
Stalling is not the same as playing

>>32586584
People think this fight is hard? What?

>>32586584
Silver fights are so boring I don't even remember where you meet him aside the first and last one.

>>32594020
it's a bitch to catch and money/balls are a limited resource at that point, and it can't hit for shit

>>32594125
They're not a limited resource because you can save and reset, retard. If anything time is the resource being wasted and the fact that it's not a viable strategy if you can't actually get Sableye at that point (ruby, emerald(?), ORAS).

>>32587692
then do it again

>>32594142
>doing tedious shit that ruins the dynamic of the game
no YOU'RE retarded

>>32587414
Try finding a Feebas or Chimecho in R/S/E

>>32594153
>mfw found the Feebas tile in Emerald very early on

Rightmost square at the bottom of the waterfall. Lucked out on that one

>>32594153
Munchlax is still harder

>>32594289
Piggybacking on this to explain how hard Munchlax is to find:


There are 21 honey trees in Sinnoh. Each tree can be used to attract a Pokémon by slathering honey on it and waiting 6 hours.

Only 4 of these trees (the "Munchlax trees") are capable of attracting a Munchlax; the 4 trees are selected based on your ID and Secret ID when you start the game, making it virtually impossible for the player to tell which trees are Munchlax trees. Aside from Munchlax itself, the Munchlax trees attract the same species of Pokémon as non-Munchlax trees, just with different frequencies. So you can't reliably identify Munchlax trees by their spawns either.

Even if you do find a Munchlax tree, it only has a 1% chance of attracting a Munchlax (bear in mind it takes 6 hours for anything to show up at the tree). So the "best" way to find a Munchlax would be to find your Secret ID (usually by catching a shiny and running some calculations with its IVs) and then using it to find the 4 Munchlax trees, or just slathering all 21 trees at once. Even then, you have a ~4% chance of finding a Munchlax every 6 hours.

Chimecho's flat 2% encounter rate is a fucking treat compared to this.

Rollout Demontank.

Not meming, not joking. My first, and probably last, trainner that wipped me out 2 times in row.

>>32586584
Platinum's Cyrus fight was pretty hard. Platinum in general was pretty difficult but I can't tell if it's because of the trainers themselves or because the game doesn't give you as many tools to fight shit. I always feel handicapped whenever I play through those games.

>>32588286
>Cynthia
literally what
Garchomp is the only non-fodder on the whole team

>>32587927
Normie pick

Hardest fight for me is Cynthia if youre fooling around

>>32594153
I just went up from the first tile, and then circled the spot in my strategy guide.

>>32587464
First time I played Black, I went in completely blind. That Hydreigon caught me off-guard and swept my whole team.

>>32587773
>People actually had trouble with this guy

I swept his team with my Primarina.
Git gud

>BW postgame desu

>>32587773
Most of Sun and Moon's post-game fights were pretty crazy. I wasn't ready for Anabelle's Salamence either, but this man just shows up out of nowhere to beat your ass down with Mega Alakazam.

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>>32586584
>another glorified battle that used to be hard when you were literally 7
I bet Whitney was really hard too, right OP?

>>32595969
These fights were hard when you play these games for the first time.
I get it, you can get a free machoke if you know where to look but most of us missed it.
Having to pack a rock resist against a normal type gym or even realising your starter was totally useless mid battle, if you had a cindasuill, was unexpected and unforgiving.

>>32595486
>everyone is suddenly around your level and hits really hard as a result

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>>32596016
>mfw I had a Quagsire
>mfw even through attract and flinch hax all it took was one Slam to send Whitney crying
best bro

>>32596036
>ever playing gen 2 and not using quag

the fuck are people doing

>>32596036
Shitmon

>>32587625
Kek, beat me to it

>>32596097
>"""shitmon"""
>great in game
>viable in OU
what did he mean by this?

>>32586584
Definitly up there, if you picked totodile or cyndaquil and didn't catch a geodude or onix then it's a hella hard battle for sure.

>>32596141
Any flying type reks his shit. What the fuck are you talking about.

>>32586584
Heh.

>>32596141
It's not hard regardless. If you were a kid you more than likely just grinded your starter. Quilava could just muscle through him, Croconaw could flinchhax him to death with Bite.

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>>32596141
>onix

might as well be throwing paper at the enemy

>>32596138
>viable in OU

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>32596239
>forgetting about unaware

>>32596293
>quagsire
>viable in OU

>>32596372
Pick both

>>32596372
Quagsire's been in every tier, even OU. not for an entire gen but it HAS been there

>>32596372
C+ on the OU viability rankings, which, while not good, is still better than, say, Buzzwole.
Poor Buzzwole.

>>32596505
Whoops, looks like it *WILL* be better than Buzzwole since they're talking about dropping or even unranking the swole 'squito. Right now they're both C+.

>>32586584
If you don't see it coming and get fucked over while you're weak, yeah.

Which is exactly what happened to me when I was like 6.