NU Alpha

>>32580088
Man, fuck Hippowdon and fuck you.

>>32580088
>600 BST legendary in NU
How? It doesn't even have a hindering ability like Regigigas.

>>32580091
Slow Psychic Type.

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>>32580088
>Necrozma
>Virizion
>Tyrantrum
>Machamp
>these are NU mons

and people say the powercreep isn't that bad. I lol'd a pic related, though.

>>32580131

Incineroar will rise when Intimidate is released.

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>NU

>>32580138
Yeah, then it will shoot all the way up to RU! Barabros win again!

>>32580131
>more than half the dex will be pu at this rate if GF continues to increase the creep and not buff old mons

joy.

>>32580165
But that will make PU the most diverse and interesting tier in the game. It's already the only tier where ice-types are useful.

Isn't this what everybody wanted?

>>32580165
They should nerf some old mons too. Make more movesets incompatible, lower certain stats from certain mons, etc.

Former OU
>Slowbro

Former UU
>Porygon2
>Machamp
>Toxicroak
>Whimsicott
>Vaporeon

Former BL2 (banned from RU)
>Pangoro
>Moltres
>Dragalge
>Tyrantrum
>Slurpuff
>Yanmega
>Kingdra
>Noivern
>Shuckle
>Sableye

>Kingdra
>NU
fug

also I'm surprised Minior is down there but in retrospect it kinda makes sense

>Linoone
???

>>32580165
>power creep
End this meme. When more Pokémon are introduced, the older ones become outclassed. That's why they fall in tiers.

>>32580193
That's literally the definition of power creep you mong

>>32580193
You literally just described power creep

When new mons are introduced that outclass old ones

That's power creep

>>32580190
that thing is a damn monster in the lower tiers. Belly Drum + STAB Extremespeed is no joke.

>>32580193
>new pokemon have better stats, movepools, abilities, dual typings than old ones
>gf thinks sprinkling 10 or 20 points buffs here and there is enough most of the time

>>32580197
No, that implies more powerful mons are being deliberately introduced as an incentive to buy the games. In fact Game Freak is just incompetent at balance. You'll notice like 90% of the Unova and Alola Pokedexes (and 99% of Johto) are unusable shit. In order to make sure no new monster ever outclassed an old one, you'd have to make them exactly as strong (as in same stats/abilities/learnsets) or weaker. Nobody wants that.

>>32580212
>that implies more powerful mons are being deliberately introduced as an incentive to buy the games.

They are. What exactly do you think the ultra-beasts and tapus were meant to be? You think their stats, abilities, and movepools are like that by accident?

>>32580212
More powerful mons ARE being created as incentive for people to buy the games. We're getting more and stronger legendaries and mythicals than ever, Mega Evolutions, Alolan forms. Aegislash's bst is effectively 720, which is the same as my mom's llama God. They introduce crappy ones in gens because they feel like they have to, but keep in mind that we also JUST were introduced to the UB's and Tapus not even a year ago. Everything you're saying is vapid and contradictory.

>>32580212
Take a good look at the tapus and UBs and tell me those weren't intentional.
Take a good look at the Fairy type and tell me that's not power creep.

>>32580212
They know how to do this shit but they choose not to for some asinine reason. Marshadow is not some freak accident

>>32580216
They were meant to be legendary Pokemon, something that has existed since gen 1 and are consistently more powerful than the bog standard. That's not power creep, that's consistency. Hell, I doubt if any of them is a more useful or powerful Pokemon than Mewtwo, in fact.

>>32580228
Dude pretty much all the Tapus are counters to Mewtwo because Fairy.

>Ambipom is NU

Thank fucking god, that piece of shit is finally where it should have been since Gen 4

>>32580225
>Take a good look at the tapus and UBs and tell me those weren't intentional.
See above. Legendary Pokemon are not new.

>Take a good look at the Fairy type and tell me that's not power creep.
It's not power creep, unless Dark and Steel (also insanely powerful types) are power creep. Even then, most fairies are shit.

>>32580165
>I dont know how tiers work

>>32580228
Solgaleo and Lunala are supposed to be roughly equal to Mewtwo, not the Tapus.

The Tapus are meant to be similar to the legendary birds. Which, if you noticed, 2/3 are in NU this gen.

Tapus are top of the OU tier list.

Hmmmmm

>>32580232
And Vanillite's Ice Beam KOs Garchomp. 1 on 1 matchups don't determine which Pokemon are good.

>>32580241
Sure i do. the more useful stuff gets use while the less used stuff falls into the depths of obscurity.

>>32580243
>Solgaleo and Lunala are supposed to be roughly equal to Mewtwo, not the Tapus.
>The Tapus are meant to be similar to the legendary birds
Cite your source, please. The Tapus have been promoted as godlike entities since very early in the Sun/Moon advertisement cycle.

>people still complaining about UBs when Buzzwole and Xurkitree are dropping to UU and Guzzlord is a total shitmon

>>32580243
>gf will now have to one up terrains

Can't wait for the new mess that's created

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>>32580266
>it will be a legendary with an auto trick room ability

>>32580258
>Base 170+ SpA on a Mon without any hindering abilities is going to be UU
The power creep is fucking awful.

>>32580258
Still better than the majority of old and alola mon . Poor guzzlord tho

>>32580275
To be fair, the rest of its stats aren't as crazy, which is what holds it back

>>32580254
I think he's probably referring to the way they're all classified by the game. Mewtwo and the box legends fall under the "Legendary" category whereas the Tapu and Birds are classified under the "Sub-Legendary" category.

>>32580275
Having high Special Attack is meaningless if everything outspeeds you.

>>32580165
Ubers OU when

>>32580266
>New ability that allows the user to use linked moves like how it functions in the mystery dungeon

>>32580285
Not to mention that Mewtwo basically fills the role of the "box legendary" in gen one, acting as a final boss. And that every gen except gen 6 has introduced a trio, though I suppose gen 7 is also excluded because it's a quartet. They still fill similar niches, though.

>>32580286
The same could be said for Kyurem-W and Kyurem-B

>>32580275
It's literally a special rampardos with a slightly better, but still bad, speed tier.

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>>32580088
>Slowbro
>Yanmega
>Porygon 2
>Kingdra
>Vaporeon
>Machamp
F

>>32580303
better abilty with beast boost arguably.

>>32580088
>Porygon2 in NU
I'm surprised. Did Knock Off fuck its virtual anus that hard?

>>32580301
B just needs better Ice moves

>>32580088
Are these usage stats from RU? I thought Feraligatr and Heracross were banned or some shit.

>>32580165
If that happens it will be more due to the tier cutoff not changing since gen 4 while gamefreak keeps adding more and more mons. Even objectively good stuff like Gengar and Keldeo initially dropped a tier because people were neglecting them in favor of new toys.

>>32580324

Feraligatr recently got unbanned

>>32580294
If a new tier were made it would be below PU.

>>32580341
There IS FU, and considering PU was once an unofficial tier before becoming an official one, it's entirely possible for FU to come into place. I don't know if it really would, but maybe.

>>32580324
These are old, outdated stats (from March or some shit like that). OU stats still have Pheromosa and Mega Meta for example. We're now waiting for the delayed April stats, and May stats are due in like 9 days.

>>32580311
at the cost of a much worse movepool

>>32580359
Fuck You

>>32580180
Former OU
>Slowbro

Former UU
>Porygon2
>Machamp
>Toxicroak
>Whimsicott
>Vaporeon

Former BL2 (banned from RU)
>Pangoro
>Moltres
>Dragalge
>Tyrantrum
>Slurpuff
>Yanmega
>Kingdra
>Noivern
>Shuckle
>Sableye

Pretty much power creep right here. Pokemon that used to be placed at higher tiers are dropping like eggs.

>>32580088
The worst part is Alola and Kalos are pretty weak. But they come up with stupid gimmicks and legendaries. The gen 7 starters will be RU if lucky but Tapus are just broken and put nearly every similar pokemon in the dust. Unlike Megas that helped weak pokemon Z-moves only made strong mons stronger. When was the last time you heard "Z-moves helped my dunsparce" compared to "Z-fly lando is broken". Maybe if they knew how to balance it wouldn't be as bad

>>32580439
>The gen 7 starters will be RU if lucky
Primarina has been high UU for a while and shows no signs of dropping.

>>32580420
>>Kingdra
how could this happen to me i made my mistakes

>>32580455
Could've made it to OU had Phero not get banned, but yeah the other 2 are RU at most.

>>32580476
>Could've made it to OU had Phero not get banned.
???

>>32580478
special and quiver dance Phero influenced its usage a lot, it was able to wall it and dent a hole in other switch ins, unlike the passive Fini.

>>32580439
Maybe if they publicly apologized for such a shitty fucking gimmick and started making more megas or something. I hope to whatever god's out there that they'll drop Z-bullshit by next gen and go back to megas.

>>32580502
>I hope to whatever god's out there that they'll drop Z-bullshit by next gen and go back to megas.

found the guy that starts XY nostalgia threads

>>32580502
>drop Z-bullshit

nah , Z moves improved new sets and pokemon that needed more strong stabs they're good

Finally NU
time to bust out my Miltank

>>32580550
I'd rather give shitmons megas that make them more useful rather than giving everyone a straight upgrade.

>>32580138
Yeah.. I' sure inciniroar will be fucking OU material right?

The literal bottom of UU at the VERY best but highly unlikely.

>>32580254
>Cite your source

It's called not being an autismo spergelord. The Tapo's were not box legendaries in the same vein as kyogre, dialga etc. These box legendaries have the same BST as Mewtwo thus the Tapos are pseudo-legendaries or sub legendaries, not full legendaries.

For fuck sake at least put some fucking effort into your down syndrome opinion. Maybe it'll be the first time you're proud of something.

>>32580312
>131 KB
Knockoff and that things hit so unbelievably hard that most pokemon can 2HKO. Porygon2 required that some of the best mons had to 3HKO in order to remain relevant with the normal bulky Boltbeam+recover set.

>>32580607
Did anyone mention it being OU? It will rise to RU or just be a top tier NU mon with move tutor and intimidate.

>>32580272
>auto Trick Room ability
Seriously hope that that one is exclusive to whatever Super Saiyan Dialga ends up being.

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>five fire starters in NU

>>32580646
Incineroar, Dylphox and Emboar can still work their way back to RU once the meta settles down (a bit later for Incineroar).

>>32580652
Delphox is now useless in the current RU meta. it has no place there honestly.

>>32580653
Watch it be the Typhlosion of this gen.

>>32580653
Thus is bullshit

Delphox should be OU instead of that frog

But smogon and their pro-greninja agenda washed all of yall minds. Weak selves

>>32580660
How so? Delphox is already down to NU and with very low usage.

>>32580664
Meant once it get back up or in the next game, but I was just joking, honestly doubt it'll do anything too, who knows though.

>>32580646
Is there any reason why Charizard won't drop to PU with Moltres already in NU?

>>32580684
Gimmicks, like belly drum.

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>>32580646
>6/7 water starters usable in UU or above
>5/7 grass starters usable in RU or above
>3/7 fire starters usable in RU or above
I never want to see another starter war again. It's already blatantly obvious what the best type is.

>Delphox in NU
Phoxfags on suicide watch.

>Fire continues to prove it's the worst starter type.

>>32580646
So from this we can conclude that Infernape and Blaziken are the only good Fire starters. And if we count Megas to, Blaziken and Charizard.

>Blaziken wins both nominations
Blaziken confirmed best fire starter, no discussion needed.

>>32580646
That is bullshit and smogon knows it.

I wreak shit in battle spot with my Delphox. Greninjad get destroyed by dazzling gleam HA!!!

And fire is the best type, it is always the most important type and best suited for a leader like the digimon protagonists. Also Red always > Blue

>>32580747
Blaziken is the best starter overall.

>>32580766
Just to prevent confusion, tiers are based on usage, not Smogon's fault less people use them.

>>32580661
>>32580766
Please stop. You're not funny.

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>>32580766

>>32580148
>XD
Underage.

>>32580165

Not how it works, A tier can only support about 50 mons at once.

Besides, the more similar Pokemon are to each other, the more likely it is that one is outclassed by another. Better to make them unique than generically powerful or bulky.

>>32580715
Which water starter is shit? Samurott? I'm guessing for grass it's Meganium and Torterra or something.

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>>32580786
Just so the autists don't start posting
>fell for it.

>>32580794
Water is Samurott
Grass are Torterra, Non mega Sceptile and Meganium

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>>32580798
I've seen so many emoticons used without response I thought no one cared that the underages took over and stopped responding.
I apologize.

>>32580812
Idiots will always be idiots, no matter how old the meme is. Better be safe then sorry (altough I've been noticing that to)

>>32580088
She is kinda slow and her movepool isn't the best one she could wish for, still better than many other Psychic types.

She can't even BoltBeam or Focus Blast for a mon known to fire lasers and shit.

Stored Power, Weakness Policy, Choice Items and mixed are the sets she can abuse the most so far.

>>32580131
Virizion, Tyrantrum were already NU.

>>32580138
>still being in denial
>still thinking intimidate will help a slow fire type mon with a poor defensive combo and no reliable recovery
Don't do this to yourself.

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>>32580223
>people buy new games because of strong pokemon

>>32580232
>a counter to mewtwo
>because fairy
Wut?

>>32580837
>still thinking intimidate will help a slow fire type mon with a poor defensive combo and no reliable recovery

It's not like you can force switchs with intimidate and hit your counter with an adamant 115 attack stab knock off to cripple them.
I calced choice banded knock off and it deals nice damage to resists while also taking away their items.

>>32580849
It's new toys syndrome rather. Most of the new Pokemon have to be interesting to play with, which typically means the new Pokemon have to be more extreme than before (like the UBs and Tapus were for their respective mons) or gimmicky (shit like Shiitonic). Do you think kids would buy SM if they made balanced Pokemon with moderate strengths?

>>32580837
To be fair, it will help it's viability in VGC, since anything with intimidate becomes worth considering.

>>32580880
>Do you think kids would buy SM if they made balanced Pokemon with moderate strengths?
Yes, because it's fucking Pokemon. And a good portion of players aren't even going to use any new 'mons bar their starters and will flock to their old favorites instead.

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I mean if we banned legendaries, genies, UB's, Tapus and megas and only allowed normal mons into OU, what mon's would be destroying OU? Greninja, Garchomp, Aegislash and Blaziken? Legendary defenders will always retort with "YA BECAUSE REGIGIGAS AND ARTICUNO ARE DOMINATING UBERS" But most legendaries are on average, stronger than your fully evolved mon. I'm just saying, we should try an OU teir with only normal fully evolved mons in it

>>32580934
Ban Psuedos too then.
Most Psuedos have 600 BST or less and even worse abilities than Sandstorm or Rough Skin.

>>32580719
Yeah exept Typhlosion, Blaziken, Infernape and Emboar

Legit question: will Ambipom be at least decent there?

>>32580997
fuck no never post again

>>32580439
Well there is porygon-z which would have dropped to RU at the very least if not for z-conversion

should'ave been more z-moves like that, massive one time only boosts to signature moves

>Granbull back in NU
I'm happy.

>>32580876
it doesn't even learn knock off. stop this fantasy you're living in.

>>32581062
Move tutor always have knock off.

>>32580266
they should just give auto-terrain abilities to weaker mons, like they did with weather abilities. It won't fix smogon meta but it might shake things up a little in VGC

Will my baby Lurantis be able to make it in NU?

>>32581093
Nope. Not PU either, nor FU below that. It's pretty bad, there's a lot of pure grass types above it in terms of being useful at all ever.

>>32581093
Won't even be viale in PU

>>32581113
>>32581117
But why, it isn't fair

>>32580989
It was already established only two of the 7 we have are good and you just named them (hint: it's not the badger or the pig).

>>32581154
And only 1 grass starter is good, yet no one seems to mention that.

>>32581162
If it's who I think it is, get out if here falseflagger.

>>32581127
slow
frail
no coverage
only good ability works off its weaker stat
a single worthwhile support move
nothing else worth noting like u turn or taunt

It's worse than fucking gogoat and that was FU last gen.

>>32580155
>that image
They both suck and get raped by based LIZARDON!

>>32581182
It's not, I'm talking about Serperior.

>>32581190
>>32581162
Mega venusaur not good enough for you huh.

>>32581192
Then that makes 3 fire starters with mega Charizad, and there's 2 of that, grass is still less.

>>32581190
Ok, you're fine. But still:
>Serperior
>Mega Venusaur, even regular
>Mega Sceptile
>Decidueye to a extent (ree all you want faggots, statistics don't lie)
The only real bad ones are Toreterra and Meganium. And Chesnaught is just there, I have no idea where to put it, it's not awful, but not great either (I know you're here, you faggot).

MAYBE Delphox can get a slide since it's decent enough, but still not fantastic.

>>32581208
Mega Sceptile is still unreleased we can't really judge it, look at how badly Mega Beedrill failed after all the hype.
Regular venusaur and Decidueye are average, not bad, but not good, and Chesnaught is ranked C+ in UU along side Decidueye, all of them are decent in RU, or will be decent in Deci's case.
As for the fire starters, at least 2 of them can still make it to RU.
But overall there are more "good" fire starters than grass starters.

>>32581208
>>32581236
Mega Sceptile was garbage last gen, it will be lucky not to drop to RU with all that fairy spam this gen

>>32581236
C+ literally just means "Garbage, but less than the rest of the garbage".

So basically, Chesnaught and Decidueye are garbage.

>>32581429
Is Decidueye even better than Chesnaught in the current meta? Ches did way better in UU SPL.

>>32581077
but it's not confirmed incineroar gets it and we don't even know when it could get it, so you can't use it as an argument as to why incineroar is good.

>>32581499
Fair, I'll wait then.

>>32580088
fucking finally holy shit

>>32581236
Chesnaught does one thing extremely well and its wall the everloving fuck out of edgequake. I'd say that's alright, being really good at your one job. Better than say meganium/torterra which are shit at what they are supposed to do. Or Decidueye which is only 'ok' at what it's meant to do.

>>32580251
Yes, and if you buff some things, that will affect the usage of other Pokemon, which in turns makes other Pokemon replace them in the lower tiers.
Because of the usage cut-off point, there's only so much usage to give to the Pokemon in the tiers, so no matter how good the Pokemon are, the least used ones will still drop. It'll just mean that PU will have slightly better top Pokemon.

The actual solution is to either change the cut-off point, or to just keep making more and more shitty tiers, but both of those are less than ideal.

>>32580088
>Machamp
>Slowbro
>Hitmonlee (RU since Gen 5)
>Machamp
>Typhlosion (RU since Gen 5)
>Porygon2 (Considered the BEST user of Eviolite)
>Gallade (RU since Gen 5)
>Cofagrigus
>Cinccino (RU since Gen 5)
>Druddigon (RU since Gen 5)
>NU
You guys kept saying there was a power creep but I didn't believe you until now.

>>32580661
It was Sakurai's fault. If Sakurai didn't picked Greninja for SSB 4 then Delphox would kept Protean instead of Magician.

>Guzzlord may not even make it into NU
Why did Gamefreak hate Guzzlord so much?

>>32580303
>It's literally a special rampardos
That would imply Xuritree is trash, which it isn't.

>>32581208
Decidueye is good, it just needs more Speed to be relevant.

Serperior just needs more coverage not called Wring Out and HP.

>>32581564
Game Freak seems to hate all the Pokémon designed by James Turner. See: Vanillite line, Klink line, etc. for proofs.

>>32580203
Linoone used to be PU(BL4) in ORAS, and didn't get any significant buff in SM aside from Gluttony. The most likely explanation, since those stats are based on two weeks of usage, is that someone spammed a Linoone team on the ladder.

>>32581583
mandibuzz is pretty decent, but other than that, yeah, it sure seems that way

>>32580204
it was for fucking pelipper. what id give to never fucking see another one

>>32580183
anything with priority or multihit moves destroy it. shell smash is great but 500 bst is not

>>32581613
Normal Z Move Belly Drum or Belly Drum combined with one of those berries is actually viable with Extreme Speed. Seeing the way the speed tier is right, having a good priority and hitting hard is good enough to be useful.

has gamefreak ever NERFED a pokemon? id love to see garchomp gyarados and pheramosa drop off the face of the earth

>>32580880
tell that to the third game of each series

Silvally is such a big disappointment
>| 122 | Silvally-Ghost | 1.00653%
And this is the most used one, barely above 1% in RU. At this rate PU is just going to be Silvally: the tier

>>32581564
>| 147 | Guzzlord | 0.68414%
Jesus Christ. I feel bad for the poor thing.

>>32581664
Silvally will end up getting BL'd from PU, which puts him in the single worst competitive spot in the entire game

>>32581649
Not stats wise.
Shadow tag chandelure and the absorb beasts even if they were retconned hidden abilities. Cursed body gengar...tho it recovered more or less

>>32581649
Talonflame was nerfed by making Gale Wings only works when the user has full HP. Only that change made Talonflame to drop to RU (It is now in BL2).

An example of how bad was that nerf is Talonflame's new set: Lead with Focus Sash and use Tailwind on turn 1, your attacking moves are Acrobatics, Overheat and U-Turn.

>>32581569
Xurkitree is shit

>>32581649
Well, ever since Gen 3 (and maybe Gen 2), all the Third Games had an "extreme" or "gimmick" Pokemon unlocked.
Emerald and FRLG brought Deoxys's 4 forms and Deoxys itself.
Platinum brought Giratina Origin.
B2W2 brought Kyurem's fusion forms.
ORAS (if you count it as the third games) gave use Mega Ray, Primals, More Megas, Hoopa-U, and a Pokemon with Super Scald.
Each one of these was the "extreme" for their time and was pretty extreme back then. If SM gets a third game, we'll likely get new regional forms, new forms for existing Alola Pokemon, and new Z moves exclusive to more Pokemon.

>>32580370
Actually these stats are the first two weeks of May stats. It states this in the forum post

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>>32580088
>Minior
>NU
ya blew it

Necrozma is a pretty good pokemon tho. I used it all the time in OU pre-bank until I got sick of every team having 3 UBs and a tapu + toxapex.

>>32581271
mega scept was top tier uu last gen and decent in OU, what fantasy world are you living in

>>32581583

Vanilluxe did at least get Snow Warning. Still not good, but it was actually buffed.

Then they made it nearly impossible to get in the god damn game, you fuckers. Stupid SOS mechanic.

>>32581644
Pelipper saving was giving it fucking Drizzle you fucking retard, not a pitiful BST boost.

>>32581537
To be fair Typlosion never had any business in RU to begin with

>>32582420
pre-bank meta was major ass

>>32582460
to be fair gen 7 meta in general is major ass, tapus and UBs were a mistake

>>32582485
>UBs
Nice meme

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Shadow Ball
- Dazzling Gleam

what do you lads think of this set? i think it has some potential paired up with drape t-spikes

>>32582497
> Nice meme
They are referred to as UBs in the games

>>32582504
I was referring to the "UBs are good" meme
>Pheromosa banned to Ubers
>Celesteela is legitimately great in OU
>Nihilego is solid but has consistently been B+ in OU, aka as good but not great
>Kartana is mediocre as fuck B- trash and should drop
>Buzzwole and Xurkitree are literally dropping to UU as of the March usage stats
>Guzzlord is NU
People like to group the Ubs and Tapus together in regards to power, but that is absolutely not the case.

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>>32580798

>>32582568
>he saves thumbnails

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>>32580227
Marshadow existence still amazes me. The last time we got something min-maxed so hard was Garchomp which is something we also know they are avoiding like crazy to repeat just by looking at all the pseudos since then, specially Komoo-o. The worst part of it all is that your average Alola shitmon is crippled one way or another be it because shitty BST, monotype when it could have easily been dual-typed according to something from the dex description, shitty BST spread, crippled movepools where they lack the most basic moves like how Lyranroc doesn't learn fucking Earthquake, it's good in TR slow pieces of shit that are not even good in TR and last but not least abilities that are good on paper but the mons who get them are literally unable to use them at even 1/4 of them potential. But then they do a 180 and introduce the fucking Tapus and the UBs, not that all the UBs are good, poor Guzzlord, and say it's awright and totally balanced. And the cherry on top is that they later come and say "Haha I didn't expect people would use Special Aegislash, it's not like it has a perfectly equal to it's physical attack special stat and two perfectly usable STAB moves on the special side too haha how surprising you crazy metagame people".

There's no rhyme or reason for anything. It's like they throw shit at the wall and go with whatever turd that gets stuck on it.

>>32581644
>lets give this shitmon that's found literally everywhere Drizzle even though it doesn't fit thematically at all

Basically any other pokemon with a water typing would have fit better

>tfw every pokemon you like sucks in battle

fuck the speed stat

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>>32582905
>tfw most the Pokémon I like are good

>>32582857
>wingull and pelipper are everywhere to be found in hoenn
>whatever
>they're also everywhere in alola
>and pelipper gets drizzle
>weather wars II competitively and that thing you can't see enough of in game

I want them to retcon toiletbird.

>>32580254
...and over here, we have a top tier retard.

>>32580837
>She
(You)

>>32582939
I bet Masuda was the one to push for a Pelipper buff

>>32580303
Vikavolt is the a "special Rampardos". Xurkitree is more like Haxorus as they're frail wallbreakers that aren't too reliant on Trick Room but would kill to be faster.

>>32582939
I've never seen a pokemon on /vp/ as consistently despised as Pelliper, except maybe the genies. What an ugly piece of shit.

>spams protect ingame
>outspeeds your alola team because lol every new mon is slow
>flying toilet
>and now it gets drizzle

Swanna, Mantine, again, basically any other water type fits better

>>32580236
How the fuck did it stay RU for so long?

>>32580088
>almost all of my favourites from RU are NU now
neat, NU is the comfiest tier anyway

>>32580111
you can make it fast with autotomize plus it combines really well with Weakness Policy thanks to Prism Armor

>>32581694
At the very least it's getting suspected once the tier opens up.

>>32583151
Necrozma's actual problem is lack of special Fighting/Bug/Fairy moves to hit Dark types with. All it can do against them right now is fire off a Thunder Wave, then be a sitting duck.

>>32581559
>Phoxfags REALLY believe this

I've never seen a pokemon fanbase being THIS delusional.

>>32583275

He has a point though

An ability like Protean make more sense for the magic user, and the Pickpocket clone makes more sense for the ninja

>>32583319
It doesn't have the moveset to take advantage of it.

>>32583319
No it does not.


Protean makes total sense for a ninjutsu user.

Magician...Mage.. aka Delphox? You know, pulling a magic trick?

No matter how much you foam at the mouth that Greninja is actually good, things arent gonna change.

>>32583025
Say, how's my boy Mantine doing with that 20 point HP buff and Roost?

>>32583383
Not amazing, but not terrible. Has a niche but it isn't the next Skarmory

>>32583387
Hey, I'm just glad he's got something now (although I am still salty that armor bird is so much better).

>>32581078
that will probably come in gen 8

>>32582047
I mean thats wrong, but whatever. Anyways Xuritree is infinitely better than Rampardos.

>>32583398
I mean to be fair, it's hard to beat Skarmory at what it does, it's just so goddamn reliable and can do so much more

>>32580719
Nah, it's OK as a foxfag I'm OK with using it in an environment in wich it actually got a chance.

The problem is that it is a one gimmick wonder.

At least it is marginally better than Ambipom and Typlosion, those 2 are always 1 tier above the metagame that would welcome them due to sheer mememagic.

>>32582458
This so fucking much Typlosion was always shit and a tier above were it would actually be decent because retards use it out of sheer memery.

This is a clear example of people working against a design they like, they put this guy out of a place where it would actually be decent.

Machamp is NU? Not even RU?!
Thanks Gamefreak. Im now officially a Karenfag

>>32583624
Smogon is technically the most Karenfagging fanbase regarding Pokémon, every Pokémon has a place where it could shine and not worry about being megafugged.

Shame that most people just get assblasted when their favorite isn't OU, I actually enjoy wrecking shit with Rampardos and Durant in lower tiers.

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>>32580088
>Porygon2, Kingdra, Machamp, Vaporeon and Quagsire are NU now

What a time to be alive

>>32580091
>>32580088
What the fuck happened to necrozma? Last time I tuned in to shadow it was on every team as a sr tank

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>>32583714

>>32583669
>Shame that most people just get assblasted when their favorite isn't OU
I don't even hope for OU these days but UU would at least be decent

>>32583729
UU is one of the worst tier for your favorite to be in, since it's mostly made of bulky water types and OU rejects

>>32583624
Machamp has not been good since Gen 4 grandpa, get on with the times. Although Machamp somehow keeps winning VGC Senior Worlds somehow. I think last year is the only time it has not been in a winning team in years.

>>32583669
Except if said Pokemon happens to fall into a BL, then you're shit out of luck.

>>32583761
>You will never be as cucked as Braviary
Maybe next gen.

>>32583744
UU is pretty fucking fun actually. A ton of people are already bored of OU and playing that instead.

>>32583753
That's why I said RU. I know he's dropping tiers not only because of lack of buffs but also actually being nerfed on top of that--it's just to drop two tiers in a generation is something I didn't expect at all.

>>32583753
>Although Machamp somehow keeps winning VGC Senior Worlds somehow.
That's because doubles allow other roles/builds to perform better.

>>32583769
I'm going to have to disagree

>>32583669
>tfw favorite mon got booted to UU and is now back in RU where it's doing a lot better

>>32583804
Never said you have to agree, I'll take my bulky waters over fucking OU stall any day of the week, I've never had a problem with them anyway. Still have to try out RU, that looks pretty fun too.

>>32580216
>>32580223
>>32580225
>All of the Gen 7 mons are the Tapus and UBs
>every UB is Pheromosa and Celesteela
>every UB is personified by Xurkitree and Kartana's attacking stats
I'm not going to deny that GF is fucking retarded with balance, but they tried in their own backwards-ass retarded way when you look at how most non-legends ended up as shitmons.

>>32583025
I quite liked it in RSE, it worked well with sceptile in game

>>32583025
Drizzle at least made Pelipper fun to use in-game in SM. Hurricane + U-Turn + Scald was fun as fuck.
Sending it out against Kukui's Primarina was a dumbass move that nearly fucked over my entire team though.

>>32584425
it still looks like a toilet

stop following smogon rules

>>32583768
Staraptor says hello.

>>32585347
>not even ranked in the OU viability rankings
Damn.

>>32583319
What I personally would prefer is if Magician was auto Knock Off on items, as Delphox is making these items disappear!

Type changing really doesn't make sense for a mage, at least in my eyes, and frogs are known for camouflaging their skin, which is where I assumed Protean got inspired by.

>Taking anything Smogon does seriously
The same manchildren who have absolutely no respect for the CHILDREN'S game they claim to love so much by nerfing or flat out removing base mechanics they're too shit to deal with. The nerfing of Baton Pass should have been the last straw for anyone. I mean for fuck sake they discussed banning fucking PERISH SONG. If you're dumb enough to get trapped by that move you deserve to lose.

When was the last time a Smogonfag won VGC, if ever?

>>32586522
Pokemon is such an objectively awful competitive game neither it, Gamefreak nor people like you deserve any respect. Smogon is a bunch of deluded autists who attempt to patch up something fundamentally broken.

>>32586552
Don't fucking play it then if you hate it. These idiots should make their own fucking competitive RPG if they think they can do better, but of course that takes too much time and effort.

>>32585108
Make me

>>32586562
But people love playing pokemon. That's the point

>>32583368
>Protean makes total sense for a ninjutsu user.
???

No it doesnt

>>32586927
It totally does, both for the frog aspect as >>32586501 said and for the Ninja aspect, it's really obvious and it does make sense.

I don't see the relation between "Mage" and "Changing type" at all, though.

>>32586927
The adjective means either for someone to easily change themselves, or be versatile. Hence the comparison to certain frogs' camouflage ability, as well as ninjas' abilities to keep up their stealth in all sorts of environments, including being an assassin in a crowd of people, by hiding in plain sight.

Protean for Greninja fits the ideals of ninjutsu.

>>32586927
In addition to what has already been stated, Proteus himself was a water god, and the animal Proteus Anguinus is an amphibian. So there's also that.

My Alola ninetales is in UU.

Why live?

>>32587693
It's got a decent niche in OU.

>>32587693
UU is fine, if you're not a Mega. Especially for an Ice-type.

What about my Sylveon imported from AS?

>>32586522
http://www.smogon.com/forums/members/bluecookies.12367/

where's your championship win(s)

>>32580934
That doesn't change anything. All it does it make "normal" pokemon that are already OU even stronger by comparison.

What the fuck happened to Slowbro? It was solid OU last gen.

>>32589499
Slowbro is still a solid mon and is definitely OU viable, but Toxapex pretty much outclasses it in most regards so Slowbro's usage plummeted.

>>32580088
Why is Necrozma in fucking NU?

>>32589604

No way to hit Dark types

>>32589621
A lot of psychic types have Dazzling Gleam or Focus Blast so it catches me by surprise that Necrozma has none of that. Well there's brick break but it doesn't have the attack to do it.

>>32589509
Slowbro got the niche of resisting psychic and having access to fireblast/thunder wave, those are the only 2 things it got over Tokapex as a defensive pivot.

>>32583813
Picture how I felt during Quaggy Bizarre Tiering Adventure.

>>32583761
I had fun breaking Rotom w with CB staraptor.

Borderline means broken below but not enough usage to go up.

Staraptor is still fine in OU.

>>32580266
New ability that cancels terrains, functions the same way Cloud Nine and Air Lock do with weather
Mold Breaker now bypasses terrain restrictions e.g. being able to use status in Misty Terrain

>>32580088
>Hoopa
>Necrozma
>Minior
>Tyrantrum
>Goodra
>Kingdra
>Yanmega

Yeah half this shit is getting banned in the first month

>>32591579
>Hoopa
>Goodra
Retard.

>>32591579
Minior is like B rank in RU dude

>>32583319
The only issue with this is Kecleon. What does Kecleon have to do with Delphox?

>>32591579
Well, if all of that is equally banworthy, then it's almost like it's a reasonably balanced tier, now isn't it? The shittier NU guys will just cascade down to high rank PU.

>>32580305
>P2
>Vaporeon
>Yanmega
>implying these were ever good

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>>32592236
Even as bait this is pathetic.

>>32581208
Chesnaught is definitely a lot better competitively than Decidueye.

>>32581537
Tyhplosion and Cincinno were fucking terrible last gen in RU so using them as evidence of a power creep is retarded.

>>32589826
>staraptor is fine in OU
thats a weird way of spelling bad

Why is there a cutoff if the tier is called NEVER used? Do they not know what never means?

>>32592543
In the distant land of 2005, the only recognized tiers were really OU and UU. NU, or Never Used, was just a name for Pokemin that were "never used enough to make it into a tier"

Now thats not really the case, and theres even two tiers below NU (even though FU isn't really recognized in the slightest), so the names are really only carryovers from olden days

>>32582857
>Not knowing that when there's crowd of seagulls flying around It means a storm is coming

I'd say It fits It thematically.

>first battle in nu
>it's stall trash
fuck this shit

>>32580111
look at reuniclus.

>>32580165
>and not buff old mons
you wish

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>>32581010
>Smogon is good because their tiering structure means every pokemon is viable
>Ambipom is unviable in NU

>>32589499
The tapus happened.

>>32592249
It's not. Decidueye at least is UU and it has a good niche there. Chestard is only viable in RU at this point.

>>32596716
Too bad Unaware Clefable's the reason it's barely usable.

Speaking of which, did it finally leave UU? I heard stuff like Buzzwole, A-Muk and Xurkitree didn't get past the top 50 in the march stats, so I wonder what's currently replacing them.

>>32596742
Clefable is OU in the March stats and will rise once May stats come out.
Also a mon doesn't need to be top 50 to be OU, it just needs 3.41% usage.

Running Guts Machamp is the best thing ever.

>>32596759
>and will rise once May stats come out
Only if it's OU by usage in May as well, so stuff like Buzzwole can still escape falling and stuff like Gengar can still be stuck in UU.

>>32596645
Hopefully that means that people will stop using it there so it can drop to PU and maybe have a shot at being useful.
If there are enough shitmons left over that can't even hack it in PU, then FU will get promoted to full tier status and they'll have to come up with an even harsher moniker for the next metagame down, like DU (Don't Use) or something.

>>32589980

or a new ground move that clears them

>>32597016
>Terraform
>80 BP, hits all other Pokemon on the field, power doubles when there's a Terrain active but clears the Terrain
>also clears hazards and shit on both sides without increasing base power because why not
pls don't do it, Ground is really good already.

>>32596645
Most Pokemon become viable eventually in certain tiers. Other Pokemon just can't be viable ever with how shit they are.

>>32583669
>Karenfagging fanbase regarding Pokémon, every Pokémon has a place where it could shine and not worry about being megafugged.
That's literally the opposite of Karenfagging. Karenfag believe that every Pokemon is in the same league. A Butterfree can easily take on a Garchomp.
Smogon understands that Garchomp is leagues above route 1 shitmons, so they made a system so that (for the most part) every Pokemon is in their own league where Pokemon above them don't dominate the Meta for them.

>>32580088
So far, which Pokemon seems the most viable? Necrozma seems like the best choice right now, especially if you have fighting types to deal with Dark.

>>32596832
This is unlikely as fuck and you know it.

>>32597076
Ambipom's problem is that shitters are convinced it's the best Pokémon ever, while it is in reality barely viable. Seriously, in unweighted RU usage stats last gen it used to be FIRST(1°). As a result they artificially inflate its usage and force it in a tier where it doesn't belong and where no serious player will ever considered using it.

>>32596716
Chesnaught did 10 times better than Decidueye in UUPL and probably will soon be ranked higher than the owl because of it