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>Frieza is attacking the Pokemon universe Which combination

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>Frieza is attacking the Pokemon universe
Which combination of Pokemon and moves would be able to take him down?

>Slowpoke
>Trick Room
Frieza is now slow as shit and his opponent can travel faster than the eye can see.

What else would you need to take him down? Keep in mind his strength and defence far outclasses any Pokemon.
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>Toxic
He'll drop eventually.
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>Natu used Power Swap
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Focus Sash level1 Rattata with Endeavor and Quick attack. Hoge also works
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Spotlight onto a Pokemon using destiny bond

kek
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>>32551506
Focus Sash Wobbuffet with Counter
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>>32551506
>Shedinja
>Turning around
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>Vanillite used Sheer Cold
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>>32551506
>Smeargle used Imprison!
>Smeargle used Transform!
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Mega banette
Priority destiny bond
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>>32551506
a choice scarf imposter ditto could do the trick
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How does perish song work on something that isn't a Pokemon and can't be 'switched'?
Is Frieza done just by hearing it?
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>>32551656
Maybe. But is Frieza strong enough to kill himself in one attack?
Ditto's HP probably makes it far, far less capable of tanking hits, even after transforming.
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>>32551506
Shedninja confuse ray. he will use a hot move but it will take him awhile.
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>>32551664
Well, he did slice himself in half by his own attack.
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>>32551506
a wonder guard minun with a ballon, under a sub
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>>32551506
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Sturdy Aron with Endeavor on Sandtsorm.
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>>32551700
This.

Ash-Greninja already outclasses DBZ characters like Goku in speed and strength. Frieza can't do shit to him.
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>>32551506
>Which combination of Pokemon and moves would be able to take him down?
none
Frieza isn't subject to Pokemon battle logic and can just nuke the entire planet. You'd need the time-space duo or Arceus to scrub him clean.
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>>32551795
lmao what

Goku had enough power to blow up planets, Greninja can't even KO edge dragon.

what are you smoking lad
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>>32551700
>>32551795
FUUUURIIIIIZAAA BAAAAN
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>>32551506
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>>32551506
Arcues and creation trio stomp, Fug, Mewtwo and Deoxys, all composite versions, stomp untill he becomes golden.
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>>32551865
Boi what? How is a city-mountain tier hypersonic frog comparable to a large planet sub relativistic+ roided ayy lmao
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>>32552038
Arceus and creation trio anyway still stomp.
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>>32552131
Yeah, I didn't say they didn't, they stomp the whole series except maybe Shin But okay Janemba (Composite Arceys beats him) and Zeno (probably beat him through time hax as he's not immune)
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>>32551506
>Ghost type
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Mega Fug with dragon ascent
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Put him in an iron bunker with this.
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>>32551602
>implying he's not a special attacker
>>32551515
>implying he's not a poison type
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>>32551506
>opponent can travel faster than the eye can see
that's not how trick room works. try speed swap instead.
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>>32552438
>>implying he's not a poison type
He's not a mon, he's something akin to Normal type automatically.
At best, he's pseudo-Psychic as he seems to have telekinesis ability (that was no good against a Super Saiyan, apparently, but fine against a noseless midget).
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>>32551506
Ditto.
Have Freezer fight himself.
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>>32551766
>Sturdy + Endeavor
It would take the second, finishing blow in an instant before using another move or doing anything else. Might not even get to use Endeavor at all.
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>>32552038
Fug, Mewtwo, and Deoxys aren't planet-busters. They don't stomp at all. They GET stomped. Mega Fug might do something but it's unclear how he scales relative to planet-buster threats.
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>>32551506
The hell

Nosepass @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 1
IVs: 0 Atk
- Pain Split
- Toxic
- Protect
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There is literally no Pokemon that could even hurt Freeza. If he somehow started losing he'd just blow up the planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZB804E8t_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5eSrbiLFe4
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>>32553140
In my defense I completely forget pokken was a thing. Does Mewtwo definitively blow up the planet there or not? Because if not then it's not really that big a deal and stands along the lines of Mega Fug.
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>>32553189
Also, Frieza casually nukes planets. Mewtwo apparently needs some time for it can actually do that (according to the game mechanics anyway, but I don't know much about Pokken).
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>>32553182
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2 Smeargles
Both sashed
Set up trick room with one
Once first one dies, mind reader/sheer cold
If frieza is sashed, bring in a mon that has fake out
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>>32553182
creation trio (barring maybe Giratina) and Arceus can kill him pretty easily
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>>32553220
>>32553235

King Kai is a god in DBZ and Frieza is 100 million times stronger than him. Even legendaries wouldn't stand a chance.
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>>32553247
The creation trio are mentioned because they're universe destroyers and Frieza isn't on that level. I think Arceus casually destroys galaxies in some form of media and shits on entire timelines in PMD:Sky. That's way above Frieza's level of strength. They're not thrown around just because "oh they're gods", they're thrown around because of the power they possess.
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>>32552903
>on Sandstorm
I don't think Frieza is Rock, Ground or Steel.
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>>32553264
Frieza also isn't a Pokemon and has no reason to be subject to Pokemon turn restrictions.
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>>32553260
>arceus casually destroys universes
>gets got by a kid with some ultra balls
pokemon anime isn't canon
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>>32553287
He still shits on entire timelines and creates beings that can destroy universes. Regardless Dialga and Palkia still shit on Frieza and (if you must be anal about this) composite Arceus shits on him too.
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>>32553287
Arceus is actually never caught by anything, it's an event-only mon.
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"The first one says this:
The creation of DIALGA,
The giver of time...
In laughter, there is tears...
And, likewise it is with time.
The same time flows on.
For it is the blessing of DIALGA."

"The second one says this:
The birth of PALKIA.
The creator of parallel dimensions...
Alive, yet not alive...
Everything drifts in space...
To arrive in the same universe.
It is the blessing of PALKIA."

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Eterna_City
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>implying any pokemon could even beat the weakest of db characters

you guys dont realize how absurd and overpowered these characters are

perfect cell can destroy an entire solar system easily
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>>32553355
who cares
both db and pokemon are equally shit
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>>32553364
kill yourself nigger faggot
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>>32553355
>Dr. Gero managed to build planet buster level Androids
Sweet jesus fucking christ, imagine if he built a big army of these. You could practically conquer the galaxy with them.
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>>32553375
Cell was all that was needed. Best villain desu
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>>32553375
They're way beyond planet buster. Early Saiyan arc Vegeta could destroy planets and they were millions of times beyond his level.
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>>32553384
I never got this, if they were so strong why didn't a misfire ki blast detonate Earth?
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>>32553381
You mean Mr. Perfect Cell.
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>>32551506
Arceus is a reality bending Deity like being in the anime, who is nearly Immune to all attacks
Frieza is not stronger that every pokemon.
Mew would be equal in power due to transform but wouldn't know how to fight in that form
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>>32551506
Assuming that Palkia's Domain over space is as good as the Dex says:
>Its total control over the boundaries of space enable it to transport itself to faraway places or even other dimensions.
>Teleport freeza to a dark hole
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>>32553387
they don't aim charged attacks at the earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg1bCXFLKdY
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>>32553427
>tearing space and reality apart
Gotenks and Buu could do that just by screaming loud
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>>32553387
if I had to hazard a guess, they're probably holding back a shit ton. Keep in mind that we aren't currently certain if the androids can breath in space or not. We know that the Saiyans and Humans can't, so it makes sense that they wouldn't fire off a planet-busting attack without 100% certainty that it would hit its intended target.
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>>32553287
>>32553303
The Arceus we see in the game is just the manifestation of one of the thousand arms of the real Arceus, just as the Unown are a manifestation of its speech.
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>>32553411
>dark hole
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Scarf Ditto.
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>>32553457
>just as the Unown are a manifestation of its speech.
Complete fanon
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>>32553478
>implying scarf would help ditto outspeed
db characters move faster than the speed of light
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>>32553247
Nope.Dialga and Celebi could bring Trunks.
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So they couldn't beat freeza and have to resort to using another db character to win?
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>>32553497
Scarf Ditto can move 1.5x the speed of light.
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>>32553497
>Ditto goes out
>Imposter immediately transforms it into Frieza
>Ditto now has Frieza's speed, offenses, and defenses
>Ditto has a choice scarf, boosting it's new speed by 50%
>Ditto is now 50% faster than Frieza

What, did you think they were just gonna bring a Limber Ditto to this fight or something?
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>>32553484
Little shits like you are why games now have a million cutscenes and grab your hand all the way.
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>>32553140
Not canon.
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>>32553527
They would be alive and frieza would be dead.
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>>32553628
Trunks would do all the work though. The pokemon couldn't do shit. How would Pokémon even know Trunks exists anyway?
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>>32553355
Damn I need to watch DB/Z again. It's such a fantastic universe. I wish pokemon had a DBZ tier anime. I wish they did a pokemon season dedicated to a single tournament like DB. A season where they have interesting and unique competitors that are not all 12 year old kids playing pokemon for the first time. The only time pokemon gives real attention to minor competitors is for trash like contests.
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>>32553497
Ditto becomes the speed of whatever it copies. Imposter lets it do that before the turn begins.
The scarf just gives him the edge.
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>>32553355
>Super Perfect Cell and SS2 Gohan at the same level
But SS2 Gohan still won with less than half of his power left.
He should be bumped slightly higher instead of being even.
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>>32553655
Of course the Pokemon couldn't do shit. It's Pokemon, not DB's skyrocketing power level fuckfest.

Dialga wouldn't need to summon Trunks though, it would just annihilate Freiza and move on.
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>>32553355
Reality warpers can make raw power a moot point. Pokemon only has like four of those though.
And I think the Super stuff could probably beat them.
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>>32553444
Gotenks had to go to SSJ3 to do that, and Super Buu was autistically strong.
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>>32553484
what is she from i want to hate fuck her
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>>32553497
>db characters move faster than the speed of light
Does anyone besides Goku? I know a lot of them move faster than human perception, but there's a huge gap between that and the speed of light. Gold Saints would still outspeed most of DBZ.
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>>32553698
DB has reality warpers too, but they still end up losing to pure power.
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>>32553247
King Kai is "a" god in the DBZ universe. Gods in DBZ are widely variable in power.
Consider that Dialga has abilities on par with, if not far outclassing those of the Supreme Kai of Time.
Consider that on their own, Palkia and Dialga are fully capable of destroying and birthing new universes. They are on-par with Beerus, if not above even him.
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Some Digimon could stand a chance, I think.
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>>32553355
>Dr. Gero was able to build some androids that were stronger than the tyrant of the universe and a warrior who had to fulfill a legendary transformation to beat said tyrant
defend this
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>>32553729
SCIENCE, motherfucker.
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>>32553721
I honestly always understood Gogeta's final attack there as some crazy reality warping shit. But it didn't make sense that he would have an attack that crazy and Vegito didn't have, so they just regard it as a powerful punch now.
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>>32553719
In DB Speed is all dependent on power level.

Even low tier characters on this list>>32553355
could move faster than the speed of sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkbtK4SORsY
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>>32553729
Science in the Dragonball universe has the potential to be stupid OP.
Just look at Arale.
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>>32553729
Gero also studied that legendary warrior and all of his godlike friends for decades. Gero was also the smartest scientist that ever lived in the db universe who could create sentient androids and learned how to artificially generate ki.
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>>32553739
Arale doesn't count.
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>>32553725
A lot of Digimon could beat Frieza. Planet busting is nothing special to them.
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>>32553729
He built them after having access to extensive knowledge of that exact tyrant. Not that ridiculous. Science has a way of making special things feel mundane with the passage of time.
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>>32553736
I believe that, I just would have expected more characters to talk about moving faster than the speed of light if that shit was happening. I think Goku is supposed to be special in that regard, at least in the original manga. Maybe movie/super/GT guys make this a different story.
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>>32553768
Goku's the MC, of course he'll be the special snowflake.
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>>32553768
I think it was mentioned in one of the japanese dbz guidebooks that Super Saiyan Goku was faster than the speed of light when he fought Freeza on Namek.
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>>32553783
That's retarded, he wouldn't have panicked when trying to escape Namek then, and learning instant transmission shortly after would have been significantly less purposeful.
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This is a stupid thread. Literally nothing in the Pokemon Universe could kill Frieza, not even Arceus. Anything that could hit Frieza with Power Trick would get killed before it could even use the attack. Much less get off a damaging move afterwards.
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>>32553798
Palkia just tosses him into a pocket universe, Dialga reverse ages him into nothing.
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>>32553721
Janemba was cool as fuck.
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>>32553725
Wasn't there some busted Digimon that could destroy multiple universes at a time or something? Digimon's power level scaling was something else.
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>>32551506
>No Guard Machamp used Fissure
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>>32553798
>Anything that could hit Frieza with Power Trick
The fuck are you even talking about? Are you thinking of a different move?
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>>32553829
Even if that did exist, Frieza is a fast sweeper.
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>>32553796
>less purposeful
transmission is instant teleportation to anyhwere, and goku cant breathe in space
also he was weakened as fuck after fighting frieza and couldnt move at full speed
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>>32553829
freeza can fly man
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Assuming everything follows Pokemon rules?

Quick claw No Guard Machamp with Fissure.

If he levitates, Mind Reader Articuno with Sheer Cold.
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>>32551506
/thread
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>>32553854
Capsule Corp space craft couldn't fly anywhere near a fraction of the speed of light and they got from Earth to Namek in a reasonable amount of time. FTL travel would have gotten Goku home before he would even need to take a breath. He simply could not travel that fast until he got Instant Transmission.
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>>32551795
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>>32553719
Moving faster than the speed of light has no bearing in a fictional universe or between universe.
It's not like the lines on paper which become the DBZ/Pokemon universe in your imagination follow any actual laws of physics.
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>>32553818
Milleniummon comes to mind, but there are others.
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>>32553355
I hope this picture isn't to scale. The difference in power between SS Vegerot and Gohan Super Boo was probably closer to the difference between 100% Freeza and Goku than it was between SS Vegeta and Imperfect Cell.

SS Vegerot also had some crazy magical powers... wasn't immune to being physically transformed, but kept his sentience and his powers...
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>>32551795
>grenigger
>outclassing anyone from DB
now this is shitposting
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>>32553885
It's actually relevant in DBZ though, with interplanetary travel and teleporters.
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>>32553384
Master Roshi, whose power level was only 139, destroyed the moon in Dragon Ball.

Piccolo destroyed the moon a second time, effortlessly, with one hand, before the Saiyans even came.

>>32553387
Because the plot demands it.
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>>32553889
The one I'm thinking about had two heads, from what I remember.
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>>32553905
Not really. It's just the fastest kind of teleportation shown (aside from the Supreme Kai's) but how fast it is doesn't actually matter. Only its relative speed matters...
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>>32553916
That would be ZeedMilleniummon. His evolution, which is broken as hell. Funniest part is, there are stronger than him in canon.
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Mewtwo
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I hate how Frieza, the lamest of the DBZ villains, is the go to. Vegeta, the androids/cell and Buu are all far cooler than the most generic space tyrant ever conceived.
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>>32553808

Neither of those Pokemon can actually do those things. There's no instance of them ever being able to do that in any video game.
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>>32553932
nope mewtwo would get btfo easily
frieza has telekinetic powers stronger than mewtwo as well
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>>32553939
>the most generic space tyrant ever conceived
...the fuck?
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>>32553928
What the fuck.
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>>32553948
Explain your confusion and maybe i can help you.
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I dont think first form Frieza would have trouble with any Pokemon. Final Form Frieza would just be total overkill.

>vid related
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHYr9_cKg1s
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>>32553928
>Funniest part is, there are stronger than him in canon.
1. There is no canon, just shared concepts.
2. Wut. Which?
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>>32553595
>>32553189
Yes it is cannon mew two is ridiculously overpowered. He could easily blow up the world.
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>>32553960
How the HELL is Frieza generic? Lame is subjective but Frieza is so iconic that Mewtwo is compared to him for having a mild resemblance.
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>>32553965
>I dont think first form Frieza would have trouble with any Pokemon.

You sure? Some Pokemon are hax.

Machamp can move mountainS (yes, plural) with a single of his four arms.

Goku, in the Boo Saga, long after he had defeated Freeza, could not lift 10 tons with an arm and also not with a leg. ]

So there's that to consider. Some others have even better abilities. For example, I'm not sure how it would kill Shedinja.
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>>32553960
How is he generic? Name other similar space tyrants.
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>>32553971
By canon, I meant moreso the series as a whole. I always assumed that UlforceVeedramon Future Mode could top ZeedMillenium, as well as Shoutmon x7 Superior Mode potentially.

Reasoning for Ulforce is that it is literally able to rewrite data faster than it can be deleted.
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>>32554003
>goku couldnt lift 10 tons
what he easily lifted 40 tons here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5RJE3l0AgI
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>>32553901
This already outclasses greninja and they're not even SS yet
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Basically anything with shadow sneak or a similar move, and like approximately higher than ~80 Attack.

DBZ logic is very consistent in that getting taken by surprise is devastating. Their bodies aren't actually tough, they use something like ki-shielding to withstand attacks, and when they're not aware of an attack they don't raise their defenses.

>Frieza getting cut in half from behind but being able to withstand a much more powerful attack when the planet explodes
>Goku being hurt by an underhand-tossed rock to the head from Krillin while in Super Saiyan form when his eyes were closed
>Goku being shot by a weakling with a pea-shooter blaster in the chest and it going through him in the Golden Frieza movie
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>>32554089
>frieza getting cut in half from behind
that attack was strong enough to kill SS goku
>goku hit by rock
non canon toei filler
>gold freeza movie
that movie was toei garbage
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>>32551808
>>32552903
>>32553182
>>32553277
>Freiza is attacking the Pokemon universe
>He doesn't have to follow the pokemon rules because I say so
Yeah nah

My personal favourite way to beat him:
Turn 1: Sand stream Gigalith - either gets OHKOd or uses explosion
Turn 2: Aron uses Endeavor
gg no re
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>>32554019
Yes... that's SS Goku. Regular Goku was doing 10 tons per arm.

But a mountain weighs... what, 150 billion tons?

And this Goku, unable to lift the weight, was stronger than Freeza, so...
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>>32554099
>non canon toei filler

Sorbet's regular laser gun one-shotting unaware SSGSS Goku supports it being plausible and is actually a much more extreme case, not to mention in totally serious context unlike the former.
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>>32554109
frieza isnt a pokemon though
ash wasnt limited to four moves when he punched mewtwo
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>>32554120
Pokemon aren't limited to four moves, or even turns in anything that Ash shows up in.
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>>32554099
The strength of the attack that cut Frieza in half is irrelevant, the only important factor is that the plant killing attack was stronger and he survived that. With a couple of scratches.

Dismissing an episode as "Nuh uh, it doesn't count!" Is idiotic, please refrain. Dismissing a movie has more merit but come on the amount of corroborating evidence is massive. Like every time someone has been knocked out by a quick strike to an ally they weren't expecting. If those were full strength hits it would shatter the ground or something, it doesn't because it's a normal strike against someone with their defenses down. It's consistent throughout the whole series.
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>>32554089
This.

Muscles don't matter, it's all about being able to focus your energy.
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>>32551506
>autism incoming

The trick room trick doesn't work, entirely and simply because there's nothing in Slowpoke's repertoire that could hurt the alien. Even if we just assume it's Namek Saga Frieza, the frost demon can move significantly faster than any known Pokemon could think. This in itself seems like an insurmountable barrier, but Frieza is also capable of feats of strength up to and including planetary annihilation, and, AND, due to broken racial templates is one of the toughest Dragon Ball characters to put down, period.

More than all that, as if there had to be more, Dragon Ball sets the precedence that you can no sell almost anything so long as you're powerful enough. You can fucking ignore time being frozen if your numbers are big enough, for fucks sake.

Sound like a pointless endeavor? It is. OP may as well have said the universe is dying what do. The best strategy we have is to hunker down and wait for Goku.
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>>32554357
The guy calls that time stop, but it clearly isn't that. There's still plenty of ways to beat him without trick room, though.
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>>32554181
More enjoyable series than DB.
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>>32551795
I love ash-greninja, but don't be this stupid anon.
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Wait until he powers up, then use Heart Swap.
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>>32554428
Yeah, Guld's power was more like using psychic influence to stop things around him. If he really had time manipulation, that would mean he had a trick even Whis considers extreme.
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>>32554460
Also when one person breaks the effect, the entire effect breaks. There are beings who would break that effect just pouring cereal in the morning, meaning he'd never be able to use it if it was really stopping time. I agree with the psychic hold theory.
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>>32553901
>All those sneaky pebbles
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>infernape held onto it's focis sash!
>infernape used endeavor!
>infernape used Feint!

Good game Frieza
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>>32554357
For the most part, I agree with this. Any trick, barring shenanigans with Choice Scarf Imposter Ditto, or maybe Shedinja, is only delaying the inevitable. Let's assume Slowpoke actually pulls off Trick Room because Frieza was gloating or something. What's its step 2? Water gun? A move like Mach punch might hit Frieza "First", but DBZ characters regularly block harder.
Some of the more interesting fluff Pokemon feats are impressive, make no mistake. Machamp is not fucking around when it comes to strength. But I'm going to go out on a limb here and say base SS Goku is stronger. Machamp is also far slower, incapable of flight, and a number of other no-gos in DBZ.

The only real asterisk I put here, aside from shenanigan mons is the Creation Trio. The 680bst Ubers you use are outright stated to be massively limited by their ball, and even then can casually shred the space/time continuum as everyday moves. In-lore, we've seen that they can basically rewrite existence if they feel so motivated to. Whether their battle power is on par with Frieza is mostly irrelevant, since it's their other OP shit you need to look out for.
It is established that Dialga can retroactively alter time. It is established that Palkia can "Select+Delete" sections of space, irrespective of what happens to be in that space. Realistically, there is nothing stopping Giratina from dragging/tricking Frieza into the Distortion World, then going out and crashing on Dialga's couch for a few eternities until Frieza dies of starvation.
Straight Fight? Debatable, and based entirely on just how limited the trio are when captured. OP godlike Hax Skills? Don't even bother fighting these fuckers if you can't at least do something simple like escape a pocket dimension.
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>>32554625
Unfortunately, Frieza has a 3-hit move on most sets.
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>>32554460
>>32554560
Guldo could stop time in a small area as long as he could hold his breath. Please don't inject Super fanfiction into past DBZ.
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>>32551506
Destiny Bond
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>>32554739
If that were true he'd rip a chunk of the planet out as the rest of the planet moved through time. That's not how it works, and it has nothing to do with Super. It's just not how his power works.
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>>32554777
as a small area I meant the planet
his timestop isnt like whis universal timestop bullshit
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>>32551506
Well, Frieza has only been shown to attack using Telekinisis (Psychic) and Ki (Fighting).
So Sableye. Preferable with Toxic.
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>>32554783
Are you seriously trying to say that Guldo can freely timestop Frieza? Frieza was also on the planet and would be included in the timestop. Frieza breaking out of it would break the whole effect. Literally everything points to this not being real time stopping.
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>>32554997
He killed Krillin with Mega Horn.
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>>32554460
I'm pretty sure Guldo's entire gimmick is that he has busted as fuck powers that are limited by being stuck on his fat manlet ass.
He's a joke, stop thinking so hard about how his ability works. He's just broken, but also shit.
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>>32555039
>Implying that wasn't Horn Attack.
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>>32555046
I don't think you belong in this thread if legitimate reasoning and thought makes you think "lol fuck you nerd, stop trying!"
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>>32555048
Either way, it hits Sableye. I think he used Stomp on Vegeta too.
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>>32555052
Wait not it doesn't neither does Stomp I'm stupid and wrote this while shitting
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>>32555050
>Legitimate reasoning and thought
>G-Guldo can't stop time because that would give him some level of power over muh Lord Freezypop.
I submit once again, Guldo has an insanely busted ability because he is meant to be a joke. That's why he dies so quickly, with almost no fanfare.

>>32555052
Horn Attack is normal you nerd.
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>>32555036
Guldo is a relatively weak character that can use powerful magic. He could definitely timestop Frieza but he wouldn't be able to hurt him.
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>>32555060
It's not because I'm offended by him being strong than frieza or anything stupid like that. It's because people who are significantly weaker than Frieza have broken out of it.

He just can't stop time, there's too much evidence against it and no reasonable explanation that contradicts all of it. Why is this hard to get?
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>>32555060
>discusses if dragon ball z character could beat a Pokémon on an anime image board
>calls other people nerds
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>>32554560
Xenoverse also specifically says the ability is Telekinetic.
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>>32555078
xenoverse also isn't canon
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>>32555081
It doesn't matter when Xenoverse, movies, manga, and anime all agree on how it works, which they do. And there's no possible way he could be actually stoping time in the way it's shown.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCbl_qRO7KM
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>>32555069
They broke out of his TK, not his timestop.

>>32555078
The ability worked more like his TK grab than the timestop proper. Guldo even says himself that he dislikes actually using his timestop, which implies that he's not actually using it (because actual timestop would be broken in a game like Xenoverse)
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>>32555084
>all agree on how it works
They don't, later toei created bullshit doesn't change what happened in Z. Guldo could use his magic to stop time.
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>>32555090
You are the only one bringing up Super. I haven't even seen Super yet, I didn't know the ability was in it. For the third time this has nothing to do with Super. It just can't possibly work that way.
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Everyone forgetting the dust and rocks Guldo kicks up while he runs in Time Freeze lol
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>>32555099
Yeah and he breaks a cliff, too. Lots of things move. Actually rewatching it, right after that he releases Krillin and Gohan and they stay still mid-air and look surprised because before timestop they were moving fast. If it was true timestop they'd keep going without losing momentum. This clearly doesn't stop time.
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>>32555099
Clearly anything he physically influences can move in stopped time. Otherwise his clothing would be like an iron coffin, and I doubt he would be able to displace frozen air either.
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>>32555114
Still doesn't explain halting momentum of the two opponents after release. Stop trying to make excuses, it's really not that serious. He just doesn't stop time, it's very clear. There's nothing pointing to it being a real time freeze other than the name.
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Guldo's ability is literally called "time freeze" in Japanese. It allows him to stop time around his opponents until he runs out of breath.
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>>32555125
Except the hundred ways it doesn't. Kamehameha is big turtle wave in Hawaiian but it's still just a ki blast.
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>implying its not a time stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9wLEISUwY
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>>32555125
GUY GALIK GUN ISNT KI ITS JUST A GUN VEGETA CARRIES AROUND WITH HIM IN HIS POCKET I MEAN IT HAS GUN IN THE NAME JIST IGNORE LITERALLY EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN THE SHOW THAT SAYS ITS DIFFERENT FROM THE NAME
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>>32555133
>1:55
>They come out of it with halted momentum completely unlike you would if time had been stopped and completely like you would if you had been telekenetically held
You're right, it doesn't stop time.
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>>32555110
Just rewatched it just for you.
He stops time twice. The first time, Gohan and Krillin clearly keep their momentum once time resumes, as do the ki blasts.
Second time, they stop when time resumes, but it's unreasonable to assume that Guldo did this, when it's likely they just stopped when they noticed that he moved.
It's real time stop, 100%.
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>>32555137
Gun is a dub name you jackass.
Time Freeze is the original Japanese.
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>>32555144
Your point boils down to "yeah it doesn't work like time stop but forget it just assume it does" come on.

The time they come out with halted momentum is the time he releases them accidentally. He just stops the tele hold so they stop in mid air. If the best answer you have is a baseless assumption then don't even bother saying it. It's actually not time stop. Why is this hard to get? Why does this idea offend you? Why are you fighting for this clearly incorrect point so hard?
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>>32555152
>[English word] [English word] is original Japanese
Ok, now I know why you think he stops time. You're retarded.
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>>32555156
time freeze: 時間のフリーズ
now fuck off shitposter
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>>32555152
So you know that in Japanese it's Garlic Canon, right? And it's not garlic or a canon? Because it's just a stupid name and not literal?
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>>32555153
>If the best answer you have is a baseless assumption then don't even bother saying it.
That's hilarious, since your entire argument is "n-no, he's not stopping time because I don't think that's how a time stop would work!"

If you're going to keep shitposting, you might as well move this to /a/ so that they can laugh at you over there.
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>>32555166
He's not stopping time because a half dozen reasons I've already brought up, are you even reading? He'd rip the planet apart, or rip it out of orbit, or be stronger than Galaxy ruling entities, things move around him, objects in motion lose their momentum, and this is just the evidence from the anime. It's not just "because I say so" it's because there's no possible reasonable way it could ever actually stop time given how it's shown. There's a mountain of evidence saying he doesn't stop time. You on the other hand can only point to its name and pout.
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>>32555172
He has a power that just straight up stops time. Hit, of Super, can do this too, and he's weak as fuck compared to the actual top dogs. There's no reason to assume that Guldo can't truely stop time on a universal scale just because he's weak in other areas. I mean that's kind of how time stop works in other mediums too, just something the reader has to accept.
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>>32555182
>time stop is universal
So when he slipped and fell and released Gohan and Krillin so suddenly they lost all momentum, the entire universe also lost momentum, orbits stopped immediately, day and night stopped in place, winds and currents halted, and so on?
No, of course not. Because that's fucking stupid and his ability doesn't stop time and it doesn't cover the entire universe.
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>>32555189
They stopped because their target moved. Anything else is presumptuous on your part.
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>>32555201
Yes that explains the confused look, and how they never did that any other time he used the ability whether they expected him to move or not.
He. Doesn't. Stop. Time. Every single ad hoc thing you come up to excuse this clear signs that he's not stopping time either breaks down when held up to other instances of him using it, or doesn't make sense in its own right. He really doesn't stop time. I ask you again, why does it bother you that he doesn't stop time? It's not that big of a deal. Fuck even Superboy doesn't have the powers he seems to, he's just Telekinetic and using shielding to be invulnerable, levitates himself to fly, and backs up his punches with mind punches. That's totally canon, people in the comics have directly said it, and you know what it's still cool anyways. It's okay for things to be this way, and they clearly are.
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uh this whole argument between you guys is fucking stupid
Guldo can stop time around his enemies using magic. If you don't like it write an angry letter to Toriyama.
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>>32555231
If that were true they'd fly off the planets surface. It can't work that way. It's doesn't work that way.
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>>32555231
The irony here is that the simplest, most sensible, and most consistent in universe explanation is that he holds his enemy psychically and the complex half-baked and unrealistic explanations for how he stops time are the ones who should "write a letter to Toriyama"
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>>32555358
autism
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>>32555365
You really got me with that one! Keep clinging to loose scraps of fragmented explanations instead of just accepting what's simple and obvious!
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>>32555379
autismspeaks.org
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>>32555455
Another zinger! You almost made me forget that you never addressed the glaring holes in your explanations and started spamming "le autism" instead!
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>>32555036
Are you implying that the Rabbit couldn't turn Frieza into a carrot? This wouldn't be the first time a character got an ultimate "No, fuck YOU" ability.
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>>32555527
Given that we're shown people breaking Guldos magic, I'd say it's not infallible, or an ultimate fuck you ability.
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Well he does use telekinesis when he tries to stab them with the log. He's defenitely at least somewhat psychic, it's not that weird to think his other abilities are psychic too, especially given that they don't really make sense for stopping time.
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Wow, you fucking spastics, Guldo had two (2) T W O fucking powers of note.

>Time Stop
>required: Stamina, holding your breath
This froze time. Nothing less. No area limit, because that's FUNDAMENTALLY RETARDED. He was bad at using it because his fitness was shit and his awareness was lackluster. The ability itself is retarded and NEVER GETS BROKEN. Goku only overpowers a time stop in Super, which is also canon I mean holy shit.

>TK Paralysis
>required: Stamina
THIS WAS HIS TARGET FREEZE ATTACK. STOCK FUCKING STANDARD TELEKINESIS.

FUCK
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>>32555537
nobody broke guldos magic though fuckface
vegeta cut his head off while he was distracted
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>>32551506
>Bastiodon held on with Sturdy
>Bastiodon used Metal Burst
gg ez
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>DBZ power levels
>discussing characters from the namek saga
Goku is the most mary sue character right now. He can stop time, he can teleport, he can lift the world with just one hand, he can do it all in just 1 second. You could say "hold my beer goku" he would hold your beer and outperform you before you could move a muscle.
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>>32555840
>Sturdy
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>>32551531
H O G E
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>>32555840
[Frieza breaks the mold!]
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>>32553355
Calling bullshit on Kid Boo and SSJ3Goku being even. It was shown that he alone overpowered the fuck out of Goku, Vegeta and Fat Boo. Also, none of this shit matters anymore since Super did the opposite of power creep. It's like they're trying to force certain characters to be relevant when they're supposed to be outclassed by far
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>>32551531
Frieza has many multihit moves
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>>32555905
>that garbage non canon daizenshuu image
>spouting bullshit
sounds about right
Goku ran out of energy fast using the SS3 form, he was matched until his ki started to run out.
Buu Saga is retarded and has no consistency at all anyway.
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>Decidueye shoots arrow faster than Frieza can react
>Frieza gets his brains blasted out of his head at the speed of light
>Frieza dies

Decidueye can effortlessly defeat Frieza while only raising a single finger. It's not even a challenge.
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>>32555905
A lot of these are questionable. Goku and Piccolo fighting Raditz have stated powerlevels which are different from those in that pic. Raditz is stated to be at 1200 but he's listed as 1500 there.
Nappa is listed at 4000, even though Goku says a fight between him and Nappa could last all day, and Goku was at 8000.
Clearly Trunks and Goku were not even when they met after Trunks made short work of Freeza.

Also why doesn't the list include SS2 Goku, the Cell Jr's, Vegerot, the other Boos...
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>>32553901
>we'll never see a timeline where Krillin plunged Yaijirobe's katana into Vegeta and we never have to deal with that brooding little cunt
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>>32556312
But anon, if Vegeta wasn't around, Gohan and Krillin would get buttfucked by Freeza's forces.
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>>32552917
Theyre star busters in various spin off material, so yes, they do.
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>>32553719
As of Super, everyone is billions to quadtrillioins of times the speed of light scaling off Beerus.
Which is funny since before Super no one was light speed in canon.
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>>32556395
Wasn't Goku light-speed?
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>>32556399
It is never stated.

Instant transmission is the fastest motion in the DBZ-verse.

We don't know how quick it actually is, and we also don't really know how quick the characters move.

We DO know that by the end of DB, after training with Mr. Popo, Goku was able to move "faster than lightning" and therefore every character after him is able to move that quickly as well.

Unfortunately, we don't know how quickly lightning travels in the DB universe and it's not like it matters because physics in DB is nonexistent and physics between comic universes is just a lolworthy concept.
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>>32556399
In the anime he was several thousand times the speed of light whe n fighting Frieza in the anime due to being faster than his ship, in the manga that never happened with the best fest being like mach 40,000 by Gotenks. Super blew that shit out if the fucking water though.
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>>32556430
Didn't Goku near instantaneously travel to the other side of Namek or was that Anime only?
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>>32556439
It was both but that's still not light speed. It would only be like mach 2,000 or more.
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>>32553260
Frieza is above universal in ROF and Super
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>>32556385
Source me anon
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>>32555905
>king kai at 3500

Not bad
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>>32557335
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Mewtwo
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Rayquaza
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Deoxys

http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/and-the-world-goes-round-pokemon-super-mystery-dungeon.33405/
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>>32557543
Fug I should actually give Super Mystery Dungeon another shot
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>>32553364
(You)
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>>32551506
Mega Fug, MM2Y and Arceus together should do the trick.
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>>32553247
Creation god and kami are two different things
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>>32555766
>No area limit
You're not listening, I've already called bullshit on this and it still keeps getting brought up. We see when he drops the ability accidentally as he slips on some rocks that Krillin and Gohan lose all momentum and come out of it confused and floating mid-air. If this was a universe covering ability the entire universe would have stopped, orbits would have ended, and much more. This clearly can't be how it works. It's doesn't work that way. Galik Gun isn't a gun, Kamehameha Wave isn't a wave, and Time Freeze doesn't stop time. It's not hard to grasp.
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>>32551506
A team of six Protect, Toxic stall Shuckles, good luck regenerating 500% damage per turn
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>>32556429
Instant Transmission is teleportation, not a movement speed. After Image is probably a better method of judging his speed.
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>>32558085
If you want to spice it up then add a Kings shield user instead of one of the Shuckles
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>>32551506
Yeah but is he any good a baseball?
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Frieza isn't even that powerful. How many times has he died now? His initial strength was greatly outclassed by some dopey scientist living in a cave who kidnapped a couple of normal human teenagers.
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Depends.

If Freezer was a pokemon, what would his smogon-approved set look like?
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>>32558433
What's his typing?
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>>32558433
>Death Beam
>Death Ball
>Death Wave
>Sonic Warp
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>>32558433
>Freezer invades Earth
>You challenge Freezer to a pokemon battle
>Smogon just recently did a suspect test on Freezer
>Freezer banned to ubers, a banlist first and a tier second
>Freezer BTFO
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>>32558433
>freezer
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Outside of game effects, there's nothing stopping any reasonably powerful Psychic pokemon from just, you know, wiping Freezers mind. Or making him think he's a 12 year old girl. or something.

With game effects, Sturdy, priority one, transform shennanigans.
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Dude, Powerlevels don't tell us anything. Not even relative strength. Their whole point was to make people underestimate the heroes. They aren't linear even when taken at face value.

Roshi can destroy the moon.
FREEZA at maximum power can't destroy a planet outright.
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>>32561362
You're a fucking retard and have no idea what you're talking about. Freeza effortlessly destroyed planet Vegeta. He only didn't blow up Namek because he held back to keep from being caught in the blast, only destroying Namek's core. Shut the fuck up you stupid newfag.
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>>32560851
His name *is* Freezer, it was changed to Frieza in the US so it sounded cooler (unlike his brother, Cooler).

Similarly, Chi-Chi is named "Milk" in the LatAm dub because her name sounds like "boob" in Spanish.
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>>32553347
>Alive, yet not alive...
Is Palkia undead?
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>>32557543
I am actually in awe. Fug beat Frieza. Fuck the creation trio, Fug is all we need. All hail the champion, who ascended from Ubers to AG, then proceed to shit on Dragonball Z for giggles.
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>>32553798
focus shas and metal burst
fuck you
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>>32557543
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Frieza
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Palkia
According to the autists here, Palkia is so far out of Frieza's league that it isn't even funny.
Don't fuck with the Creation Trio
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>>32561778
>autistic wiki kids think palkia is stronger
oh well I guess that settles it
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>>32561607
It is a reference to your state of being as the concept of space.
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>>32561790
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>>32561850
I like Palkia's design but not for a Pokémon. Anyone else?
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>>32561778
>Palkia
>For instance, certain universe's versions of the Hoenn region contain a Reflection Cave. The mirrors in this cave each lead to other universes, each with their own versions of Reflection Cave with more mirrors leading to more universes, and so on. Also directly stated to be a creator of parallel universes in the games.)
what the fuck, I don't remember any of this
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>>32561790
>Implying their autism isn't stronger than our baseless conjecture
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>>32561912
The second one says this:
The birth of PALKIA.
The creator of parallel dimensions...
Alive, yet not alive...
Everything drifts in space...
To arrive in the same universe.
It is the blessing of PALKIA."

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Eterna_City
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>>32561850
Does that mean a zombie bit space?
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>>32561924
I don't get how your response is related to my post. Also what manga is that page from? Doesn't seem like special.
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So, hypothetically speaking, if you killed, say, Dialga. Given that Time works because Dialga moderates it, would time stop, permanently (Or at least as permanent as something can be considered in a timeless space)? Have you fucked yourself?
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>>32552438
>Frieza
>anything but mixed Fighting/Psychic
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>>32561778
>that Palkia page
>those other Pokemon pages
>those battles
>Fug vs Sasuke
I can't tell if these people are serious or if I'm missing something here.
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>>32555905
>nobody even mentions how popo is 1030
>or how kami possessing a man is somehow weaker than king piccolo, who he was much stronger than
pretty obvious that those numbers are bullshit
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>>32561950
>buah buaah..my waifu Frieza is not that strong...buaaaah!!!!!!
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Golden Frieza > Creation Trio and Fug > Regular Frieza
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>>32562086
Thats explicitly not true, the creation lolstomp all of DBZ as of now. Better feats dude, not even ''lol they control timespace'' wank they legit got better showings of power ie puking up a unverse being on the lower end of things.
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>>32561950
youre missing something, fug vs sauce is because some dude thought itd be cool, not because the general staff and members wanted it. As for the pages, theres major revisions going on currently, all pages right now are composite, theyll likey be split up into continuties.
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>>32562116
The real problem is that DB, DBZ, and DBS are fucking weird when it comes to feats and powerlevels. Monster Carrot can turn anyone into a carrot, Spike's Devilmite Beam instakills anything that isn't 100% pure, etc. As far as we know, there aren't limits to these things. Meanwhile, based on the power levels system, anyone with a higher number that Character A should theoretically be stronger in every way and be capable of performing the same feats, but power levels are bullshit and that's not always the case. Extrapolating data is damn near impossible because Toriyama is a gag manga creator who never thinks ahead, oftentimes not even knowing how a fight will end when he starts writing it, and so therefore everything is nonsensical and all over the place.
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>>32562168
So? Just becuase one persn can do something doesnt mean another can, Guldo had abroken power, something that hasnt been rivaled untill Hit came in, or Cell having regen despute being weaker then Beerus who cant regen on that scale. Plenty of characters have abilties in nature that cant be replicate by someone like Goku. This still doesnt change that in several canons, lets use the anime canon for simplicity, have casual universal+ unsealed creation trio with the added bonus of being conceptual and noncorperal.
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>>32562035
Who are you quoting?
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>>32562202
People could resist Guldo's powers. I don't think it was true time manipulation like Hit or Whis.
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>>32563275
Nobody ever resisted his time power. The only time his time stop ended without him meaning for it to end was when he startled himself.
Technically, nobody has even ever broken out of his TK, he was killed by someone else while he was using it.
Of course, this has all been said a million times before in this very thread, and you'll just continue to pretend to be retarded. Such is the circle of your pitiful life.

>>32561950
vsbattles wikia is notoriously awful at power scaling and determining how strong characters actually are (as fanboys tend to be.)
Just look at the page describing Roy from Fire Emblem
>Roy is faster than lighter because it's possible for a spell to miss him XD
>Roy can destroy continents because his sword undid a curse that was fucking with the world lol

That said, Palkia is a legit god, especially if you take into consideration the manga and anime, so him beating freezypop wouldn't shock me. Hell, even in the games, Palkia was pretty explicitly capable of destroying the universe in the wrong hands.
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Just get 500 of this absolute bro
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>>32563858
To be fair The Sword Of Seals is continenal, it shook the entire continent and if it's in the same ballpark as othershit then it'd be that regardless. The speed comes from Lyn dodging bolts which s scripted and meteor dodeging i think?
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>>32563858
In fact, for example in the film the mere presence of Palkia disrupted the boundaries between dreams and reality materializing the previous ones in the physical plane, besides in the games it is directly affirmed that its presence was producing a spatial distortion that caused the destruction and rebirth of everything.

>"Now all will end. And everything will begin. With this Red Chain I will pry open the portal to another dimension. I command that you unleash all your power for me... DialgaD/PalkiaP the mythical Pokémon and the master of timeD/space and dimensionsP! This will bring about the destruction of all things. With everything gone, there will be no fighting and no strife. Can you feel time distorting? Only I can choose to stop itD/Feel the dimensions distorting... Only I can stop itP. This is the mythical Pokémon that created Sinnoh! DialgaD/PalkiaP the ancient deity of timeD/space and dimensionsP! This world cannot be molded into the ultimate world I seek! It's far easier to create an entirely new world than to change this one! A new world in which I am the ruler of all things! I shall become a deity!"
>"Oh! DialgaD/PalkiaP... This is... Fantastic! Beautiful! It's the creating of a new galaxy! My new world! ... Wh-what?!"
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>>32551506
Im freeza
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>In the beginning, there was only
a churning turmoil of chaos.
At the heart of chaos, where all
things became one, appeared an Egg.
Having tumbled from the vortex, the
Egg gave rise to the Original One.
From itself, two beings the Original
One did make.
Time started to spin.
Space began to expand.
From itself again, three living things
the Original One did make.
The two beings wished, and from them,
matter came to be.
The three living things wished, and
from them, spirit came to be.
The world created, the Original One
took to unyielding sleep...

>The two beings wished, and from them,
matter came to be.

WTF!!! These guys created the matter simply with a wish ...
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>>32565052
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>>32551506
Possesses his spaceship and makes it fly into a black hole.
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>>32561935
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl_Adventure!
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>>32553355
>tfw I understand all of this
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