Hello darkness, my old friend

>>32540630
Why do people make such a big deal over this owl? It's still better than the majority of starters, despite its shitty stat spread.

>>32540639
>70 base Speed

>>32540639
Probably because people tried to convince everyone that it was good in OU and look at it now

>>32540630
The fact that the owl is any good at all with a slow mixed attacker stat spread is impressive in itself.

If baton pass weren't banned it'd be in better shape too

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>both C+ ranking
They are perfect for each other!

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>>32540630
Its almost like shitters have no fucking clue how to use him

SUPPORT

>>32540639
There are 21 starters, 20 excluding Decidueye so it needs to be better than 11 for that to be true
it's worse than all the kanto and hoenn ones outright because of Megas

also worse than chesnaught, greninja, feraligatr, primarina, infernape, and empoleon, for a total of 12, meaning it's only better than the remaining 8

tl;dr: no

>>32540747
>bring it in to "support"
>scarf krookodile which is all over UU right now comes in and slaps it sideways

nice

>>32540766
Except for the fact that Chesnaught is just a shitty C- in UU.

>>32540655
>slow mixed attacker stat spread
i know this is asked for a lot of things, but why does gamefreak keep doing this

Is there Eva difference between B- and C+? Really tho

>>32540776
Except Chesnaught is C+ in UU, retard

>>32540774
>Keeping it in on an obvious counter/check

Support-ueye is somewhat tanky but you dont keep tanks on their weakpoints you dumby.

>>32540766
>forgetting Serperior

>>32540766
>it's worse than all the kanto and hoenn ones outright because of Megas
It's also better than the the non-mega Kanto/Hoenn starters, and why would you include megas when those were given to only 2 sets of starters? I think the other anon's point was to compare Decidueye with the other starters in their original forms, because comparing a 530 BST mon to a ~630 BST mon is pretty imbalanced.

I don't like Decidueye at all, but it does deserve some credit, especially since one of its important uses(baton passing) was banned in UU.

>>32540843
Sorry, I'm retarded. I meant to say it was better than the Kanto starters and Sceptile, Swampert and Blaziken are obviously better..

>>32540818
>keeping it in
>pursuit

>>32540890
>using pursuit when knock off is better on crooc
1010 elo shitter pls go

>>32540637
>being this delusional
Throat chop is the reason why incinishit is getting the ash form

NU soon.

>Smogon - It's C+ because we said so, no, you can't use Baton Pass

I'm not saying Smogon ain't pushing the bird down even further than it should, but they kinda are. The bird wouldn't even be that far better with it, but shit's getting kinda silly.

>>32541192
You do realize anyone could go to that thread and nominate Decidueye for a rise/drop? You just need good arguments for the rise/drop and sometimes replays.
There's no John Smogon that decides this by himself.

>>32541212
that's because his name is Wendell Smogon, Jr.

>>32540950
You know, that WOULD make sense as its main move since it's direct and to the point in terms of attacks.

And we all know Game Freak likes Incineroar better than Decidueye.

Why the fuck you faggots are even discussing this

It's shit on OU and VGC therefore it's just bad and has no place in any team that has any competitive merit. Take this fucking autism and "but other starters" outta here.

>>32541449
The thing is Owlfags are going to lose their mind because the Seal is better in singles and once the cat gets intimidate it'll be better in VGC than it.

They can't handle having the objectively worst 7th Gen starter be their meme Owl. When the only redeeming quality of a Pokemon is Baton pass, you've failed as a Pokemon

>>32541465
man, incineroar would be so much better if it had actually defensive typing.
It's the second bulkiest starter

>>32541507
Yes, and Chesnaught would be equal too or better than Ferrothorn if it was Grass/Steel instead of Grass/Fighting but Starters always get fucked unless they're lucky.

Look at the original hidden abilities for the Gen 3 starters and ask yourself how that was fair.

>>32541465
>incineroar
>good in vgc
>when it literally loses to sash kartana (the most common item), even with intimidate

Also, I'm pretty sure that by the time they release Intimidate, there will be better mons available for VGC (aka in VGC18). So no, baracat will never be good either.

>>32541537
It's not a matter of being good. It's a matter of being graded on an objective scale of being better than the Owl. The Owl will end up the objective worst of the 3 while they all will be mediocre.

>>32541531
>Speed Boost
>unburden
>fucking damp

>gets a design completely unrelated to earlier evolutions
>fanbase are autistic, fursuiters, usually both
>gets screwed over in typing and stat spread
>steadily dropping in competitive rankings
>will get screwed over in anime and movie appearances because base form is so much more enjoyable
>base form is a joke to the point of being literally assblasted

Has there ever been such a fall in grace and expectations for a starter?

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>>32540950
>Calling someone delusional.
>but Being just as delusional.

>So incineroar having throat chop, a move that sneazel can get makes it the big thing.


>>32541413
Literally the same guy.

Barafags.

>>32541895
swampert got damp in the wrong gen
gen4 swampert with damp would be pretty good

>>32542004
>Sneasel gets it through breeding
>Last gen Greninja got 2 signature moves
Even though I'm a trannysealfag the evidence is undeniable

>>32542022
yeah, for that one gen.

Explosion would need to be de-nerfed for damp to even be considered

>>32542004
hi comedy relief anon

>>32542137
Wtf.
>When the guy who tried to force a meme, so I call him comedy relief anon, and he some how he forgets his name and title and calls me that.

Pleas go on comedy relief anon, I got the time shame you again.

>>32542208
Remember when Kukui was gonna catch Litten, dude? Or the "werm whole" theory you then promptly made up?

See >>32541976 for why the owl is fucked and cucked.

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>>32542208
hi CRA

>>32542113
>Samefagging.
>>32542137
What ever you say comedy relief fag/old man.

>>32542223
>Oh god this guy and his outdated memes.

>>32542253
Who are you quoting?

>>32541537
>>32541976
>>32542004
>muh "literally" buzzword

Filtered.

>>32542233
When ever you come up with a better reason why Decidueye isn't the shill mon for this gen, or better jokes for that matter. Seriously, the royal theory, do you honestly have no life. Are you still stuck in 2016. I guess your too old to keep up with time.

Nothing new here.
>>32542259

>>32542236
Same faggot that called a owlfag delusional then he other faggot called dulusiona

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>>32541976
I read this throw and I didn't even know it was talking about Decidueye. And some things are strait not that bad and strait up untrue. Lets read this through.

>Design that doesn't match with previous stage,
Not really a bad thing, unless they did it completely terrible like incineroar.

>Autistic fan base, Fursuiters.
This sounds more like barafags. Especially considering that incineroar looks like a guy in a fursuit.

>Gets screwed over in typing
Literally what!? The ghost typing actually helps Decidueye. It looses a 4× weakness, it gets two immunities, and resist two more more types. How is that getting screwed over?

>Will get screwed over in anime
How? If ash has a rowlet and it evolves and shows how sneaky and badass it is, it wouldn't really be that bad. Unless your a barafag I guess.

>Based form is more enjoyable,
You haven't even seen a Decidueye in the anime nor movie yet, so how can you just that.

>Base form is joke,
Not really, the last time I checked rowlet defeated a pokemon that belonged to a island king, and he only acts comedic because guess what,

S/M anime is a comedy relief anime, you know slice of life, literally aiming towards a younger audience. Plus every other characters acts the same or even more comedic then rowlet, but in barafags eyes they don't see that. Oops did say too much of the truth, my bad.

>>32542469
>throw
>strait

owlfags confirmed brainlets

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>>32542469
Decidueye is shit. It isn't even the best Grass type of its gen.

>>32541212
>hey, this pokemon that's not a legendary, pseudo or ugly objectmon is actually g-
>BLACKLISTED!!!1 ONLY LANDORUS AND STEALTH ROCK ALLOWED IN OU, DON'T QUESTION US!

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>Decidueye cucked by Tsareena
>Primarina cucked by Tapu Fini
>Incineroar only starter uncontested in its gen

Based? Based.

>>32542580
hi where are the arcanine

>>32542596
>its own gen

>>32542580
>Decidueye cucked by Tsareena
is this gonna be the new "anchor is better than owl"?

>This old man knows i'm right, and processeds to reply back with the same shit, again.

What exactly changed from you now from 2016?

>>32542565
This is what actually happens
>hey this shitmon is good guise I swear!1!!
>alright give replays and actually explain what this pokemon does that another pokemon can't do better in every way
>no lol xD
>pokemon gets blacklisted for shitposting

>>32542603
No, because it's actually true.

>>32542580
Who's A-marrowak

>>32542605
>old man
What brand of autism do you have

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>>32542603
>being an owlfag
Your autistic school shooter owl is garbage. Tsareena is the queen of Grass types!

>>32542607
More like:
>this pokemon is shit because legendaries outclass it xD
>you're not supposed to use legendaries outside of ubers, faggot
>NOOO MOM I WANT TO USE THE BIG STRONG LEGENDARIES IN OU, LETS BAN BROMONS TO UBERS INSTEAD

>>32542641
Sorry for your autism against "legendaries"

>>32540931
>not having both
ok 1200

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>>32542641
>you're not supposed to use legendaries outside of ubers, faggot
I see you're one of those kids that gets buttmad when people use shitmons like regirock

>>32542654
>why did they ban pheromosa?! perfect coverage with deoxys offenses and speed that lets you effortlessly 6-0 isn't broken at all! ban dugtrio instead!

>>32542673
t. Stallfag

>>32540648
>In Aslowla

>>32542680
Stall and strategy is the essence of Pokemon battling. Hyper offense and minmaxing is the worst thing to happen to competitive.

>>32540766
You mean better than the remaining 7. You forgot Serperior

>>32540747

whoever runs the viability rankings is almost certainly a better player than you

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>>32542641

>bromons
>invalidating your point by showing you're autistic

>>32542691

hyper offense is a play style like anything else, it isn't mindless

>>32542681
Having a shit stat that's high compared to other mons doesn't stop it from being shit

>>32540630
Good, hope it keeps going as people realise just how pointless the thing is. I want to use it in RU where it'll be great.
>Few support options with baton pass ban, worse than tsareena at support, which is already shit
>Can't stall/wallbreak the #1 fat pink blob

>>32543971
Sadly that depends on usage and not viability

>>32541976
i legitimately thought you were talking about incineroar until you brought up the anime.

>>32542691
yeah it's the essence of pokemon battling which is why vgc doesn't have it and why game freak moved to a 3 vs 3 singles format because it's harder to stall that way. you're so delusional.

>>32540630
It has been significantly neutered by Smogon due to the banning of Baton Pass though. It's appalling how far this shitstain of a community will go to make Decidueye look bad. First they arbitrarily banned OU viability reasoning for it. Next they closed down the discussion thread out of pure fucking spite. And now this bullshit. Our bro isn't even allowed to function well in fucking UU. I have no fucking idea why these stuck up morons are targeting owlbros so blatantly and without remorse.

>>32544060
>people will fall for this falseflagging

>>32544060
This.

Smogon's blatant and obvious hatred for Decidueye is the reason why we need to boycott Smogon as a force. We need to make it clear to as many people on the internet as possible why Smogon should be treated as cancer. Their treatment of Decidueye is why.

>>32544060
The reason Deci has trouble in UU is due to the super offensive nature the metagame has evolved into (seriously, Choice Specs Primarina is walled by literally only Blissey and it's only A+) and because things like Unaware Clefable turn the poor owl into cannon fodder.