Metagrossite banned from OU

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So who's next on the list?

>>32526721
lele

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>>32526705
YES

>>32526721
Your worst nightmare, chesnaughtfag.

>>32526721
cancer lel

inb4 lele banned before that fucking frog

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Tapus of healthy meta

>>32526721
They should just ban the whole fucking pokédex already. Then they can fuck off and let us enjoy the game.

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A-Muk ban when?
Can't wait for it to be the first non-arceus poison type in ubers

>>32526705
>their vote will not affect the outcome of the vote
So they're just nullifying votes to guarantee a ban now
It's the Mega Gengar suspect all over again
fucking omgon

>>32526737
Lele is cancer and the fact Scizor, which should be a straight counter, dropped because of it, is proof.

>>32526721
My money's on naruto frog.

>32526760
Not even worth the (You) at this point.

>>32526760
are you retarded?

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>>32526705
What is that so called OU?
Some kind of non canon fanmade bullshit?

So is SM UU the only good tier this generation?

NOTHING switchs safely against lele
psychic terrain is fucking retarded
if that shit has a scarf you cant virtually revenge kill it

>>32526802
lel
>>32526756

>>32526797
SM UU is literally gen 6 OU so yes

>>32526797
AG

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>>32526802
>can't revenge kill a base 95 scarfer

>>32526745
No one is forcing you to play by Smogon rules, anon

>>32526756
>what is Mega Gengar

>>32526814
My favorite meme

>>32526822
I forgot about it.

>>32526847
>forgetting one of the top three Ubers

>>32526760

That's not what it means you idiot.

If there's 100 voters and 60% is required to say yes to do something, it won't change the outcome if they closed it after after voters came in if 60 said yes.

Rip super computer

so how many months until lele is suspected?

how many 'mons must a smogon ban
before you can call him a meta

>>32526721
Tapus of healthy meta are for sure on the chopping block. Lele being most likely, hopefully Koko as well; I don't mind Fini as much and Bulu is probably most balanced.

After them, Protean Grenigger for sure (Battle Bond needing a kill to proc is the only reason that'll slide).

(Gen 8 stall/sustain/defensive meta/Fairy nerfs FUCKING PLS GAMEFREAK)

>still not suspect testing Landorus-T

>>32526865

*after 80 voters came in and 60 said yes.

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>>32526705
Ruins this, but it's worth it. The whole reason I play smogon is so I don't have to deal with stupid shit like mega mence, aegi, phero, or gengar, happy to see another cancermon get the boot. Frog'll probably be next.

Metagross did nothing wrong

>>32526802
>what is a dark/steel type coming in on Scarf Lele using anything but HP Fire

>>32526941
252 SpA Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Bisharp: 207-244 (76.3 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
not gonna bother calcing fblast lol

>>32526934
>145 attack with tough claws and practically every coverage move it could possibly need
>better physical bulk than skarmory
>immediate 110 speed
>nothing wrong

(Protean) Greninja is next, and has a more pro ban crowd than Mega Metagross ever did. Rip cancerfrog

After that council will likely nerf BP or look at stall again (Dugtrio) given the strength of the two playstyles rn.

Lele will likely follow after

>>32526721
naruto frog or celesteela

>>32526820
A lot of people on Wifi throw shit fits if you play with banned mons. I've seen people do it at tournaments, too.

Smogon dominates the competitive Pokemon community, whether they like it or not.

You don't HAVE to follow their rules (and if you do, nobody's forcing you to play OU) but it's definitely encouraged.

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>>32527057
>celesteela

RIP.

>>32526705
Why was it banned?

>>32527104
For having one of the most shit designs of any mega

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Thoughts?
(SM is mildly inaccurate because the server blew up and stats haven't been updated since february)

>>32527104
It made every team have to run at least 2 checks in order to have a chance at winning

>>32527122
>garchomp is struggling

Waifu Chicken for OU.

>>32527122
>mildly
SM is way off. Since February two extremely dominant mons have gotten banned and a bunch of old top tier megas were reintroduced.

>>32526797
No, that's RU. Still the comfiest tier.

>>32526721
It will be Greninja, because we need to remind you shitnaughtfags of your betters. An eternal reminder of Greninja's superiority while shitnaught will rot down in PU.

how is LC these days?

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meanwhile

>>32527258
>m-mawile, which was UBER last gen, is now not as good

I dare you GF cucks to defend this and tell me the powercreep ain't real

>>32526930
>Thinking that those mons are cancer outside of your fanfic meta

Found the shitter
>>32527071
>Playing Wifi against shitters
.When everyone else is on Battle Spot not giving a fuck

For what purpose famalam?

>>32527287
Tapu Lele is a real problem to Mawile. Good thing about this gen is that TR got a bit better because we finally got a really got TR setter that can also make use of it so that makes it stronger just a bit, but really, if Tapu Lele remains on OU Mawile will never be top tier.

>>32527312
Just curious, the TR setter you speak of, who is it?

>>32527336
Magearna. Really strong and really durable.

>>32527071
Play battle spot mongoloid. Nobody is complaing about banned mons in BS unless they are annyoing shit like Klefki since They're using them too for win as much as possible using OP shit like Kanga.

>>32527287
Lele is the one thing holding it back. Sucker Punch was what pushed it over the edge.

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>>32527352
>Kanga
>Who has went from top 2 in usage to nearly falling out of the top 30
>OP in BS

What year is it.

>the secret best thing about all these fucking insanely broken mons getting banned from OU is that it shows people stall isn't the problem, it's not being able to teambuild for stall because you have a dozen offensive threats to account for

The OU council truly is the hero we deserve.

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>smogon-centric thread
>anti-smogon anons come out of the woodwork and bitch about things they don't understand in a thread made for other people
>learn nothing and change nobody's mind
every time

>>32527287
Eh, whilst powercreep is a real thing, it's best to actually use GameFreaks own formats as a way to judge when it's actually happening, because that's what they'll actually take a look at when looking to make changes for Gen 8, and at the moment, Mega Mawile is performing just about as well as she was last gen in the official formats.

>>32526705
hows this going to stop me from using it?

>>32527607

if you start making a team for any tier below Ubers in Smogon, and you include on said team a Metagross, holding the item Metagrossite, then attempt to save/validate the team, Smogon's servers will return a validation failure based on a hard-coded exclusion rule along the lines of

bool validateOU(const teamPokemon[])
{
for (i = 1; i ≤ 6; i++)
if (teamPokemon[i] == Metagross)
{
if (heldItem == Metagrossite)
{
validTeam = false;
}
else
{
validTeam = true;
}
}
return validTeam;
}

>>32527792

whoops, initialization condition should be
>for (i = 0; i < 6; i++)

haven't done super basic c++ in years and forgot arrays index to 0

>>32526721
Baton Pass.

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>Well RIP the top pick slots. All the Tapus just got a massive buff alongside Greninja. This vote angers me to no end. Mega Metagross is good but between gen 6 and 7 it got nothing new and is just as weak to the physical Fire threats like Zard X and Alolan Marowak. It actually had a purpose in this meta. Probably the worst ubers bump in a long time, seeing as his presence wasn't causing over-centralized teambuilding.

>>32527844
Who are you quoting?

>>32526915
>(Battle Bond needing a kill to proc is the only reason that'll slide).
Actually it's the lack of Gunk Shot to fuck Fini in the asshole.

>>32527847
Comment on Smogon's FB post

>>32527258
Tangrowth tho.

>>32527844
>Alolan Marowak

the fuck is that doing to gross, it can't even switch in it just eats an EQ afterwards and falls over

:(

>>32527887
EQ/Fire Punch/Shadow Bone?

So... how viable is regular Metagross?

>>32527872
is tangrowth unironically the best grass type in the game or does it still lose out to ferrothorn and others?

>>32527904
Megagross is faster and can EQ it to death.

>>32527912
I mean it faces stiff competition from Shaymin-S for that title but it's definitely up there.
>>32527908
It isn't.

>>32527912
probably tied with Ferrothorn in OU, the meta is just better for Tangrowth right now. Also, y'know, Skymin.

>>32526705
>following smogon rules

I'd feel sorry for you all but why feel pity for sheep who can't think for themselves?

>>32526721
lele because they just fucking outed her only effective counter. after that maybe koko and naruto frog. i actually don't mind if these end up banned alongside m-metagross. it might balance things a lot.

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>>32527966
>lele gets banned
>muk and marowak get kicked into UU

not sure how I feel about this

>>32527071
>a lot of people throw shit fits on wifi

Like battlespot on SM? I thought you had absoulutly no contact with the other player. Can't even GG or nice or anything.

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>>32527352
BS is only 3v3 and you have to sign up for it, fuck that
>>32527432
>a smogon cultist calling other people dumb

>>32527792
>>32527813
who said ill be using their gay little servers?

>>32528009
Enjoy people DCing and calling you a cheater for not playing by their rules

>>32526705
Time to make Smogon and its pathetic little sheeplets butthurt by using Mega Metagross anyway on official metagames.

>>32527975
Muk has enough other fairy enemy's to stick around imo

>>32526972
They tried banning it last gen and the voters told smogon to shove it up their ass, rightfully so.
Its not broken by any means, just the crybabies who wanted to ban FUCKING DUGTRIO at it again.

>>32528017

this is obvious bait, but i still can't help but get legitimately assmad at the sheer irrationality and stupidity of people that throw fits about smogon

>>32528009

i mean if you're not playing on smogon's system then this won't affect you. i kinda assumed you were referring to a scenario where you were since nothing else in pokemon has an "OU" in it

>>32527975
>>32528045
this. gen 7 is still a fairy fest and muk is too good dealing with them. i agree on marowak though

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>>32526705

Goodnight sweet prince

>>32528063
The majority of voters still voted "ban" last gen, Megagross only stuck around in Gen VI by the skin of its teeth. Gen VII has brought it nothing but buffs.

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>>32526952


>Tapu Lele used Fire Miss
>Oh, No one knew the result of that move: it fucking missed

>Bisharp completely Raped the Lele

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lamo'ing at all the anti smogon retards who don't even know why its banned, even skarmory isn't a counter

>252 Atk Metagross-Mega Gigavolt Havoc (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 188-222 (56.2 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

lrn2play before you question decisions above your intelligence

>>32527975
muk is gonna be fine , just wait until they nerf terrains in gen 8 to drop it's usage

>>32528125


>2HKO WITH A Z-Move

This is obviously bait

>>32528131
theres something called chimp damage and stealth rocks in the metagame, using gigavolt havoc for skarmory is justified seeing as its the one "counter" everyone states

you must be a vgc retard if you cant comprehend that

>>32528139


>Bases his calc-damage in completely Stealth Rock Damage
>Chimp Damage as a term

This is the smell of 1200.

>>32528125
I like this post.
It caught me off guard.

>>32528131
No it's not, don't be a fucking retard.

>>32528125

>MEGA metagross
>gigavolt havoc

fucking retard

epic falseflagging

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>>32528125

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>>32528125
>lamo
first word and I'm already entertained, quality post Anon

>>32528125
This is decent bait. I give it a (You).

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>>32528139

>chimp damage

>>32526941
>>32526952

It learns Focus Blast anyway so Specs or Scarf OHKOs Bisharp if predicted correctly. It actually doesn't necessarily even have to predict, because Sucker Punch is nullified and Lele is faster. Weavile outsped by Scarf and Heatran can get 2HKOd by Specs Focus Blast. I hate Tapu Lele.

>no more Mega Meta

Welp, Mega Scizor in UU will be fun.

>>32526930
The posting was good until he went to Alolan-Marowak. Without any reliable recovery, SR weakness, and terrible speed with ok bulk, it acting like a pivot is laughable.

Can Bronzong stand against Tapu Lele?

>>32528734
Normal scizor might get banned from UU it's the Landorus of the tier

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>>32527258
>Char X continues to fall

>>32527258
So what caused volcarona to become this good? Z-moves?

>>32528872
>Z-Moves

Yes, basically it can have a Pocket Nuke for things that use to wall it even with a Quiver or Two

>>32526705
Smogon should of banned Pheromosa and Megagross earlier, along with Tapu Lele.
>One has damage output rivaling Mega Lucario withour being a Mega, has the same 50/50 counter chance, third fastest Pokemon of all time in an anti-priority meta, and has a free stat boost every kill
>Another is incredibly balanced in terms of stats. Above average to insane in all stats, boosts to most of its already high damaging moves, and great coverage with only one real flaw in 4 move syndrome
>The last is part of a group that drastically changed the meta, passable immunity to priority attacks, and one of the strongest Psychics/Psyshocks in the Fairy filled meta
It doesn't take a genius to see how unbelievably broken this shit is and the fact that Dugtrio was suspected before these three is just insulting.

They're hesitant to touch Tapu Lele because they're still enjoying their new toy and Tapu Lele was the shiniest of the new toys. Massive Damage Output AND the ability to keep priority mons from stopping your sweep?

They won't touch her until they go through Greninja and any other old Pokemon they can try and force to Ubers because they don't want to lose their WIN button in OU. Lele is the same type of 50/50 cancer as Aegislash. The moment it comes you have to guess which move she's going for or you're losing a Pokemon

>>32526721
According to the suspect thread, it might be Baton Pass or Dugtrio again

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Time for the king to rule ou.

>>32528896
AV pichu

>>32528934
What about AV pichu?

>>32528952
Just use anything and give it an AV for lele senpai, i guarantee it ain't getting banned even if it gets suspected

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C-Can I join the pseudo Ubers party next?

>>32528917
Good joke.
>>32528966
>Mega Garchomp's Sand Force will never be replaced by Speed Boost
Why live?

>>32528966
It would go to UU if mega evolving was automatic

>>32528974
Why do people not see mega Steelix as a threat this thing checks almost all the tapus and can deal with most mons that carry earthquake because of its bulk.

>>32528961
>Just use anything and give it an AV for lele senpai
Please neck yourself for saying something is monumentally retarded.
Not even Assualt Vest Blissey can survive Tapu Lele for more than 4 hits, even without Psyshock.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Blissey in Psychic Terrain: 156-184 (21.8 - 25.7%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
Please just end your fucking life you douchebag.

>>32529006
>slow
>no reliable healing
it's shit senpai

>>32528966
Dragon dance soon brother.

>>32529006
>2HKOed or OHKOed by most Special attackers in OU
>literally no recovery, not even Lefties
>dies horribly to the hottest setup sweeper in the tier
>dies horribly to the two remaining S-rankers in the tier
>actually doesn't hit very hard, especially when uninvested
>slow as balls
>can't come in on SD Bulu because +2 Z-Superpower shatters it
>can't come in on Fini with a Water move because unboosted Scald kills it faster than it can kill with Heavy Slam
>can't come in on Specs Lele period, Specs Psychic has a shot at 2HKOing from full and Specs Focus Blast wipes it clean
>Koko justs U-Turns the fuck out to something that invalidates it
>will inevitably be outclassed by Mega Aggron in like a month or two
Mega Steelix sucks.

>>32526705
YES
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>32527258
What the FUCK is going on

>>32527258
>Reuniclus

what? why?

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>>32526705
Did my boy finally did it?
Did he became the best pseudo legendary?

>>32529291
balk I guess

Actually I don't know. Psychic is a garbage type offensively and defensively and knock off is still prevalent.

>>32529333
>Who is Mega Salamence

>>32529333
Mega Salamence is still far better.

>>32529335
>Psychic is a garbage type offensively and defensively and knock off is still prevalent.

Please end this meme

Psychic may not be the dominating force it once was, but it's nowhere near garbage

>>32527104

Because it has base 110 speed turn 1 now.

>>32526705

Everyone will just start using Mawile and it'll get shitcanned next....the cycle will continue until the best megas are Lopunny, Sableye, and Diancie again.

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>this thread

>>32526721
>greninja
>baton pass
>lele

>>32529425
Then they will ban Mega Sableye.
Generation VIII will be released the very next day.

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Press F to pay respects.

>>32526705
I hope Mega Sableye is next. Seriously, if you dont have at least 2 wallbreakers, you auto-lose to stall. And when you have them you lose to hyper offense most of the time.

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>>32526802
>>32526802
>>32526802
MEGA METAGROSS IS A SAFE SWITCH
inb4 shadow ball>110 base speed

>Banning something that checks other ban material.
ggwpezpznore

>>32529652
Dude just use AV Metagross lmao.
It's actually not bad

>>32526705
This demostrates that Smogonites are crying faggots that complain about everything that ruins their precious stall (otherwise known as the most gay playing style where you most last an hour)

If they are banning things that are hard but aren't broken then they must also ban Walrein from Battle Maison and Battle Tree.

>>32529879
>reddit spacing
>thinking Megagross was a problem for Stall
>thinking Smogon has any weight outside of their simulator
>not knowing OHKO moves and evasion have been banned for years
>bothering to separate Maison and Tree
So much wrong in a single post

>>32527258
>tangrowth is now more viable than charizard X
What a crazy world we live in today.

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>more than 60% of the voters needed to ban something
>the same as 3 out of 5 people wanting something gone

Even if the vote would be narrow, that's still way more for something to take place than other events. We elect a president for less than that. Sometimes I wonder at what percentage people would stop bitching about the results, but then I remember that people still complained when Pheromosa was banned by a 92% landslide.

Disagree with the ban all you want, but if you're not playing by Smogon's rules, then maybe you're not involved enough to understand why some mons were suspected in the first place.

>People unironically think that tapu koko deserves ban

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>>32529007
>someone doesn't know jack shit about the competitive scene in a virtual cock fighting, what a fucking quadruple turbofaggot.

>>32529980
not now but eventually when all the other broken shit is gone and it sticks out.

>>32529879
>When the best counter to MegaGross is stall
Haahahahahaj

>>32527287
>stuttering when writting

Back to /a/ with you

>>32530022
Shit like Chansey, Alolan Marowak and Tangrowth all shit on Tapu Cocks. But I agree that the stallbreaker set is annoying to deal with.

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>>32526705
Well that's it, I'm 100% done with Smogon and competitive in general..

>>32530217
Then don't play stall.

>>32530331
I dont play stall. Im saying that Tapu Koko is far from being broken.

>>32527309
they still are cancer outside of smogon singles... I can assume you've never played any metas whatsoever at a decent level? If i had to guess the amount of times casinogar (hypnosis hex) or stoss khan has been complained about, I wouldn't be able to.

>>32530020
>i made a stupid claim about something I didn't understand, and now I'm offended that someone called me out on it!

>>32526705
Still gonna use it

>>32529920
>Sometimes I wonder at what percentage people would stop bitching about the results
I don't think they ever will stop bitching. Most of the people on /vp/ that complain probably didn't even vote, or they don't even play OU to begin with. They don't understand how unhealthy Megagross was for the meta.

>>32530440
wow ur so cool bro xD

>>32528916
Did we read the same suspect thread? Nearly every post that mentioned future suspects said greninja would be next. Even the posts by council members.

>>32527083
celesteela is a top a+ rank threat and might become s rank now that megagross is gone

>>32530440

Enjoy my DC then, shitbag

>>32528045
Why is Muk so good and Drapion still shit?

>>32530670
Muk-A has higher HP and Spdef

>>32527844
>nothing new
>it now has 110 spe on first turn
Really rustles my jimmies

>>32530440
enjoy getting walled by P-Don then

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>mfw now that MeteorCucks are gone, Mawile takes one step closer to being the dominant offensive force in OU

>>32530386
Except the only place where you can use Seismic Toss Kang is in Smogon.

>>32530764
you can use it on unranked battlespot

>>32530670
>hits harder
>bulkier where it counts

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>>32527975
>lele gets banned
>marowak gets kicked into UU

>>32530125
It wasn't stuttering you utter retard. I said m(ega)-mawile.

>>32530824
>playing free battles, aka feel free to dc without consequences
>ever

>>32530954
Your new is showing.

It would have been fine in OU if it wasn't for Meteor Mash's Attack boosts.

>>32529125
You forgot that all the Tapus it supposedly walls can chip it for half HP with Nature's Madness.

>>32530978
>gets BTFO
>"ur new"

As expected of you children

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So whens the verlis video where he whines about this then whines again about how smogon stole his girlfriend then his in game roach waifu.

>>32530983
You're right.
Not having Tough Claws boosted Punching and Headbutting moves.
Not its steel typing complementing its high defenses.
Not its fast speed.
Not the lack of dark and fighting types or the surplus of fairies.
Not its great coverage options,
It was the 20% chance to raise its attack on a move that has a reduced accuracy.
That makes you ban worthy.

I'm also glad Smogon realized that Pheromosa's 10% chance to freeze you with Ice Beam was broken.

>>32527258
Can I have a link to this?

>>32530939
Alola-Marowak is still overvalued atm

>>32531251
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-viability-ranking-thread.3590726/

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>>32530273

>>32528872
Talonflame's removal.

>>32530386
Yeah, no. Seismic Toss Kang is illegal in rated battles and can only be used in free battles, where no one would even bother to complain about it since they have bigger problems to worry about(Arceus, Mega Rayquaza etc) and CasinoGar was a meme set that was so unreliable that it would fuck you over as much as it helped you, no one used that shit other than to troll.

High level Mega Gengar's on Battle spot usually run

- Hex
- Sludge Bomb
- Will-O-Wisp
- Taunt

on those toxic stall teams some people love to use, which are the only teams I ever see Mega Gengar being used on these days.

>>32527214
>Heracross, Nidoqueen, and Donphan: the meta

No thanks

>>32531260
It's a mon that takes skill to use for sure, and at the start of the gen it was quite overrated, still, the niches it provides are going to always be valuable, unless the meta changes too radically, so I can't see it falling off anytime soon.
Regardless, the point is that a Lele ban doesn't affect Marowak because it isn't supposed to be a "Tapu check", just a Koko check, among other things. Actually scratch that, "Tapu check" is a fucking dumb phrase in general because they're four completely different mons and it's absurdly retarded to expect to cover them all in one teamslot.