defend this.

>>32488310
Does making me want to kill myself to escape the downfall of my favourite franchise count as defending it?

*uses heal pulse*

>>32488310
He's a dancer.

>>32488310

>defend XY
>ever

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Meanwhile, this was Generation I's idea of a Champion.

>>32488310
What's the problem? He has a theme.

Isn't this where you have to face all your rivals without healing?

>>32488353
Well, when you consider the average level-up movepool in Gen I, it becomes more understandable

The aversion to TMs is questionable, but at least it's consistent across the E4

>>32488375
>without healing
lol

>>32488310
>3 Pokemon
>None of them have 4 moves
>One of them only has one move
There's nothing to defend, anon. Tierno's a fucking joke. I know that he's not supposed to be a great trainer and that getting strong's not his goal, but it's like GF went out of their way to make him awful.


>>32488353
>Leer, Tail Whip, and Horn Drill
>Leer, Ember, and Roar
>Exeggutor only has 3 moves

Wew, I forgot about that.

>>32488353
Alakazam at least is pretty much exactly what you'd ideally run back then. Just replace Psybeam with Thunder Wave or something and that's pretty much exactly what you'd see in a competitive tournament for RBY.

>>32488353
It's the Rhydon and Exeggutor that get me.

And that fact that it's not only level up moves. I'm pretty sure Blastoise/Pidgeot don't get Blizzard/Sky Attack through level up. And yet there's no other application of TMs here.

>>32488427
Shit I should have clarified, it's not because there are TM moves that it bugs me, it's because they're only applied to 2 Pokemon despite most of his team needing them.

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>>32488310
He's not supposed to be a challenge.

>>32488375
>without healing
>implying that's a valid reason for tierno to be so pathetic

>>32488353
the other 4 movesets are unforgivable but Alakazam and his starter can fuck your shit up, especially with RBY's crit system.

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>>32488310
It's the easiest way to circumvent the random nature of the Trainer AI. You could argue that GF could just re-write the AI to be more aggressive with STAB or Super Effective attacks but this is a children's franchise first and foremost so that'll never happen

>>32488508
I hate these fucking shit devs.

>>32488353
>Roar on Arcanine
Reminder that Roar fucking does nothing in trainer battles in Gen 1.

>>32488353
>picking Charizard

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>>32488310
>>32488353
>there people on this very board who have gen 1 or gen 6 as their favorites

>>32488353
He's still significantly higher than your level if you aren't a grinding faggot.

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>Your journey ends here! Because… right here, right now… I will crush you!
What did he mean by this?

Gen 6 is a rushed piece of shit Gen with very little testing or polish. The shift from Sprites to 3D Models strained everything because everyone had to basically relearn from the ground up what they could and could not do, rather than having generations of games to do so. The lack of quality in Gen 6 is solely because so many resources had to be poured into graphics

>>32488310
>SD Itemless Acrobatics Talonflame
>bad
it is all it needs, so does dual stab crawdaunt
only roserade is a meme

>>32489451
this happens after several ursaring and explosion mon dungeon including the cancer rng bats

>>32488476
I don't know what the fuck Tierno is meant to be. He's not a challenge, he's not plot relevant, he's not likable, he's just a fatfuck whose only personality trait is "likes dancing". Why exactly does he exist?

>>32489451
>It's pretty much the same in GSC too

wew

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>>32488310
Applaud and adulate this.

>>32489705
Cynthia is literally the best champion.

>>32489705
Dppt were pretty hardcore in difficulty spikes. What will happen in the remakes?

>>32489451
>in GSC his final battle has the champion theme
>not present in HGSS

>>32489772
>I, Cynthia, accept your challenge as the Pokemon League champion
>but first let me heal your Pokemon

>>32488353
>Ember

>>32489705
I generally prefer Steven's team because it's both decently strong and thematically appropriate, but Cynthia's team is pretty good.

>>32489705
Coverage: The Team

>>32489772
Platinum maybe. "Elite Four with Beautifly and Dustox" wasn't a hard game.

>>32489811
This, remember how this happened in XY, ORAS and SM?

>>32489705
>Hustle Togekiss
>Toxic on a special sweeper
Other than that, it's perfect.

>>32489811
Honestly, I don't really see the problem with this. Doesn't just about everybody load up on healing items and heal their team up before the final boss anyway? It's not like money is ever an issue in these games.

>>32489811
you say that but
it makes sense you know

>>32489772
Cynthia will have a Gabite instead- moveset/ rest of her team will be unedited.

>>32489248
Except he's not when you're not a "skipping large portions of the game" faggot like yourself.

>>32488310
>Tierno's final team can be beaten by a Sap Sipper Stantler with Thunderbolt

>>32488508
>tfw they could've brought back Challenge Mode
>their user telemetry probably said nobody uses it
>because it was exclusive to one version
>and only unlocked after you already beat the trainers that Challenge Mode would be used for
Game Freak are just incompetent.

>>32489999
quads confirm that anon is just an under leveled faggot

>>32488310
>Dancer uses dancing and movement based moves
HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK!!?!?!? he wasn't meant to be threatening, he had a theme and it was portrayed in his pokemon's movesets.

>>32489248
That's irrelevant though because of how busted gen 1 is. I steamrolled gen 1's e4 with Blastoise and Dodrio, both of which were level 50.

Why should I? I get what they were going for thematically and all that but they could've done it better, and from a pure "how hard is this team to fight" standpoint it isn't hard at all.

>>32489791
HGSS was a mistake.

>>32489999
If you fight every trainer in the game as well as never run away from a wild battle or use a repel your pokemon will be around levels 50-55, which I'd say a 10-15 level difference is still significant.

>>32489451
I'm still wondering how the dude managed to snag a sneasel when they're only in Mt. Silver. Even if he used the pokewalker, he'd have to have the national dex to reach icy mountain road.

>>32489451
>5 NFEs

>>32488427
I recall reading somewhere that Gen 1 memory limits meant that each trainer could only have two customized movesets on their team.

>>32490080
>HGSS was a mistake.
Only if we're operating under the entirely valid premise that Pokemon itself was a mistake.

>>32490123
i think the whole point is that he cant get a PROPER FRIENDSHIP :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD going with his team. As Golbat evolves through friendship. This is a stretch, but the rest of his mons are trade evolutions, so he probably doesnt know how to interact with other trainers as well. When you battle him at mt. moon he has all of his mons fully evolved

>>32490113
Maybe he stole it, too?

>>32490123
Weavile and Magnezone aren't in the HGSS Johto region Pokedex so they don't really count.

>>32489849
>Hustle Togekiss
Before HGSS, every trainer Pokemon had the ability from their first ability slot, so there was no way for an NPC's Togekiss to have Serene Grace in Platinum unless they were in a frontier facility.

>>32488310
He's shit so he should have a shit team.

>>32489849
>implying the game gives a shit about "muh competitive strategy"

>>32490017
>Tierno's final team can be beaten by a Sap Sipper Marill with Rollout

>>32489705
>Giga Impact on Garchomp
>Water Pulse on Togekiss instead of a Normal STAB
>Toxic on Roserade
>Extreme Speed on Lucario instead of a Steel STAB
She is just ok. Challenge mode Iris is the hardest.

>>32490113
>>32490182
Yea, he stole Sneasel from the guy who had the Shuckle on Cianwood. The guy was so scared he'd come back to take the other one, he gives Shuckle to you for safe keeping.

>>32488353
well, in gen 1, partially due to cartridge space issues, all trainer 'mons, aside from a very select number of trainers and then even only their trump 'mon, had their moves assigned by a level up algorithm

however it leads to some bad things, as all 'mons that evolve through evolution stones have a very limited number of moves in their final form.

in this example a growlithe lv 61 would have had the moves Leer, Take Down, Agility and Flamethrower which would have been a very reasonable moveset
exxegcute would have had stun spore, poison powder, solar beam and sleep powder, not exactly the best but still better due to gen 1 sleep mechanics.

Rhydon's level is a bit unfortunate as he is one of the few gen 1 pokemon with high level moves, lv 64 would have seen tail whip replaced with take down
still no actual rock or ground moves but its a begin (in gen 1 the only rock move learned through level up is rock throw, go figure)

Bastoise is the only pokemon in that picture with a custom moveset, skull bash was replaced with the non-level up move blizzard (best of the 3 replacements)
charizard has flamethrower replaced with fire blast (okay given gen 1 mechanics)
and venusaur has sleep powder replaced with mega drain (which actually constitutes as a downright nerf)

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>>32490383
>Extreme Speed on Lucario instead of a Steel STAB

>Steel STAB in gen 4
>Talking shit about the best priority move in the game

>>32490383
I'd argue that in gen 4 extremespeed on lucario was more viable than any steel stab, flash cannon wasn't exactly that strong and iron tail was the original focus miss and lets not forget steel didn't hit anything important for SE damage back then that fighting didn't cover

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>>32489705
step aside sister, I got this

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>>32489230
>There are people on this board who have gen 4 as their favorite

>>32490634
Iris was a damn good champion. Her team was balanced and used great strategies. Her team had great ways to counter The ice types that would be a danger to her team, and I got swept by that haxorus, and that aggron alot. She was definitely better than Lance who you could just Boltbeam through

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>>32490634
>Flying Gem Acrobatics

>>32490597
I'm aware of that but no STAB triggers my autism.

>>32490700
How is that a bad combo though? Brave Bird would be horrible on Archeops because of defeatist. Thus Acrobatics would have been the best Physical flying move for archeops to use in terms of base power.

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>>32490685
to be fair challenge mode was designed, fairly successfully if I may add, as a new game+ deal (still don't get why the bloody easy mode needed to be unlocked) and honestly should have been added to every game from that point onwards
every gym battle feels like a proper boss

her original team is less dangerous though I'd still rate it among the better E4 teams. The lack of items makes a big deal (flying gem acrobatics is downright evil if you're not expecting it)

>>32490738
I think he means it in the "HOLY SHIT, this some powerful shit nigga"

>>32489451
>meganium
I can never see this as canon. It's gotta be Feraligator

>>32490383
>comparing baby mode reusable tms gen to gen 4 meme dex
hurrr

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I've still never beaten this son of a bitch

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>>32490747
Iris suffered from being in the second game in a gen, so she couldn't get a signature mon designed for her outright. Dragonite, Metagross and Garchomp were probably made for Lance, Steven and Cynthia respectively.

Iris only gets Haxorus and a lot of her mons overlap with previous trainers in general. I hope one day she can get a signature mega or something.

>no Ludicolo
> quiver dance
> Dragon Dance
>No teeter dance
Tierno a Shit

>>32490866
well she does have the honor of having the single most dangerous E4 team in pokemon history
as far as consolation prizes go, that's a pretty good one
and Haxorus was her signature 'mon ever since the first B&W though

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>>32490873
anime tierno was way better

>>32490836
you can use all the TM's you want, if iris's haxorus gets a single DD in, that's game over

>>32489791
>wanting to blow their load just before getting out of Victory Road

>>32490916
Just use a fairy type, duh

>>32490894
Haxorus is also used by Cheren and Drayden too though. It is even used by BW2 Drayden, so you'll have it seen already.

>>32490946
Hahaha such a funny joke.

>>32490954
well aware, but that doesn't stop it from being an absolute monster though

>>32490895
Too bad he sucked in the end too, he was better than Trevor and Shauna though.

>>32490991
Haxorus is the fuckin coolest

>>32490916
That's not true and even if it were, if you gave her haxorus the chance to DD you deserve to lose

>>32488353
Besides Rhydon and Exeguttor, for Gen 1, all of these sets just need to get the upgraded version or replace 2 moves to be competitive.
Alakazam literally only needs to replace Psybeam with Thunderwave to be the viable set.

>>32490921
I'm pretty sure that theme comes up after you beat the game in GSC and after Silver's had his moment of development.

>>32491240
>if we overhaul all his movesets Blue would be competitive
not that you're wrong, but we can say this about any given trainer

>>32490700
bring back gems

>>32488320
*cancer

>>32490634
>Hydreigon
GHETSIS FLASHBACKS

>>32491595
It's literally the same set. I always pretended that it's the exact same Hydreigon, with the League having confiscated all of Ghetsis's Pokemon when he was captured. It'd explain why his Pokemon are all lower levelled when you fight him in BW2, and why that Hydreigon has a completely different build.

>>32490895
is this a jojo reference

>>32489533
That wasn't the question.

>>32489533
He's what you usually call comedic relief.
And guess what, it worked. Not here maybe, but in Japan.

>>32488310
Oricorio wasn't introduced yet.

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>>32488310
It's a children's game

>>32490895
>>32491005
The only thing that was ever bad about Tierno was his design and the anime didn't fix that.

>>32489811
Oh man, I totally remember your team getting healed before the champion in XY and SM! Fuck GF!

>>32489705
>no basic theme, just like that one autismal bitch that wears wings in public
>can't decide wether her signature mon is either lucario of garchomp
>Giga fucking impact on garchomp

>>32489705
Yassss Cynthia Kweeeen
Slay my bussy bitch!

>>32489816
Steven doesn't have a single resist to Surf.
The most important move in the game.
With all that water.
Shit team.

>>32488310
Dance off bro, meme and you.

>>32492168
Basic themes hold potential back, see Steven's shit team.
Her ace was never up for debate.
Catch up or stay behind, scrub.

>>32492242
>claims her ace was garchomp
>uses lucario cosplay

>>32492250
I'm sorry if you're too autistic to see everything else leading to Garchomp, and that you got caught up on those things on her head, that aren't even identical.
My condolences, it gets better.

>>32489823
I don't remember this.

>>32490738
He's calling it good. The way the flying gem works with acrobatics is broke as hell. It consumes the gem first, applying the boost, then checks whether or not the pokemon is holding an item (it's not anymore) for acrobatics boost. Gems are what, 2x power? Makes acrobatics essentially a base 220 stab on Archeops.

>>32490634
>X used ice beam
psh

>>32492291
Gems are 1.5x but it still hits really hard. I wish gems were put back in the game, they were pretty great.

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>>32489705
>perfect IVs
>owns two of gen 4's rape machines
>all that coverage

>in the region where you have literal shit for pokemon except for 2 of the starters, the regional bird and that same dragon

>>32490634
>Life Orb Sheer Force
>Flying Gem Acrobatics
>Focus Sash Dragon Dance
That's pretty scary.

>>32492291
>>32492352
I just want Flying Gem back so that Tornadus will be allowed to play with his brothers again.

>>32492510
You stated she has 2 rape machines but then said you only have access to one.
What's the truth?

>>32488353

this always makes me wonder how the hell they program this game

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Defend this

>>32492790
>i-its so that the AI doesn't c-choose the wrong moves!
Not even an arguement seeing has the spinoffs like Pokemon Stadium and the Gamecube games never had this problem for their bosses.

>>32492790
other than his ace being absolute ass its not bad

>>32492790
>3 of them dont even have abilities
i guess pokemon really is always shit

>>32492790
>>32492825 makes me think bulbapedia is just incomplete, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

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>>32492835
According to bulbapedia the E4 have a shittier moveset to begin with, then swith to the good stuff for the rematch.

>>32489705
>Lucario
and her teams ruined now. Game freak just couldnt keep shoving that blue furry dick into your face that gen could they. Then it got in smash just to rub it in your face more and returned for no other reason in smash 4 than to wank furfaggots.

>>32489772
>implying remakes

>>32490634
Hello Neo-Lance.

>>32490895
He was the worst of those 3.

>>32492808
Maybe they can't settle between stupid AI and rubber banding.

>i-its so that the AI doesn't c-choose the wrong moves!
What did he mean by this?

>>32492903
>What did he mean by this?
It's what quite a few people who defended SM AI's lack of moves actually said, but funny enough I betcha my millionth dollar that they were also the same people who raged about Tierno's moveset in XY.

>>32490857
It's simple anon, just hope he picks Dragonair.

>>32492287
Of course you don't, because it didn't happen. That anon is calling out a retarded post with sarcasm.

>>32492850
the rematch team actually would have been pretty good as the initial team (obviously if they were levelled down a bit). as it stands though, his first team is complete shit

even with type advantages taken into account, I should not have been able to sweep hala's first team with a level 44 comfey

>>32492790
Fighting as a type is just wreck shit up so no status
But too much coverage would make it too hard for a first run for normans

>>32490857
>be me playing Stadium 2 Challenge Cup
>battle against trainer with 5 grass types and a Slowbro
>i have a fire type pokémon which could easily get rid of the grass types
>not much to defeat the Slowbro
>first Pokémon the fucker sends out is Slowbro
Why live?

>>32492917
Laughable, what was the justification? How could they pick the "wrong" move?

>>32492790
what's with the lack of moves?

>>32493125
I guess it figures those are all it needs and makes the AI work less hard to pick a move.

It's not wrong you know.

>>32493045
Some people seem to think that the Elite Four and other "strong" trainers use the same shitty AI as Youngsters and Lasses, and so they might use bad coverage moves at the wrong time. They use a better AI than most opponents you face throughout the game, though, so I don't think that would typically happen.

I think what really neuters the late-game opponents is their shitty movesets and general lack of synergy between their abilities, moves and items. The stronger AI is actually pretty good if you feed it a decent team (e.g. switching their Scizor out for Flash Fire Typhlosion when I send in Houndoom, then using Thunder Punch as I switch out for my Mantine).

>>32489705
>Only 1 status move
muh dick

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>>32493563
Truly a smogoon.

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>>32493082
Why is she so perfect?

>>32493563
>Bright Powder
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32489451
I'm still annoyed he didn't get a magnezone or weavile. Not even in kanto.

>>32490747
I want hard mode back.

>>32492850
At least they had 5 Pokémon again

>>32493082
Gen 2 is nice but they have my least favorite gyms. Any gym leader having a metapod or kakuna is retarded. And too many gyms repeat the same Pokémon instead of having something different. And chuck has two despite the guy before him having 4. It seems like the gyms had no thought out into them.

>>32494024
My problem with Gen II Gyms is the fucking phobia they seem to have for Gen II Pokemon.

>>32494087
Right? The ghost one really confuses me. Basically just two lines of ghost available but can't use misdreavous. Have to use a second haunter instead.

>>32494024
i like johto gym leaders themselves but their teams really sucks.

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>>32488353
Everybody who fell for this shit is a fucking moron, this was due to gen 1 limitations (something to do with a limited amount of custom moves per NPC), they even fixed it in the remake

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>>32492790
Meanwhile, two generations ago

>>32494137
This. So easy to tell who hasn't played the game by those replies

>>32493563
>mixed Roserade with no special STAB

>>32494151
>grass know Sawk/Conkeldurr
>E4 mon with fucking Karate Chop
"no"

>>32493563
Jesus fuck i would have done something about that Roserade but this is still fucking good

>>32494024
>>32494087
Its because of how gen 2 was designed, remember that it was the Kanto sequel, the end of the franchise, at that point everybody had their kanto dex finished so the 100 new mons were well hidden to keep things interesting, and because of this the gym leaders were not given teams with johto mon

The difficulty is beyond me though, there is no excuse for how pathetically easy everything is in Johto

>>32494151
that payback Throh caught me offguard

>>32494137
Hardware limitations or whatever it may be, that further backs up how broken Gen 1 was. That doesn't forgive bad design.

>>32488310
>gen 6
'no'

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>>32493563
He's so close to actual smogon sets I don't know why they didn't just go all the way. Literally one move on most of them and a redo of something that's a little shit anyway.

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>>32488353
>still that psychic alakazam though

>>32494322
you are missing the point, gen 1 has the excuse of being a broken mess (it was the first game so its expected to have issues), they had no excuse with their future fuck ups

>>32494253
Does just seeing a mon spoil it, though? You still have to go find it yourself and see what it's capable of. Leaders using them just makes it more tantalizing.

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>>32494354

>>32494454
i guess it was for consistency's sake, in your journey through Johto most NPCs and wilds would be Kanto mon

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>>32493082
>gyms barely feature johtomon
>piss easy
>same people who complain about Kanto pandering totally disregard Johto despite the entire second half being Kanto
why do people defend Johto again?

>>32494322
I'm more forgiving of movesets in the older games, since GF didn't fully understand the game they had created. It seems they caught on around gen 4, so anything after that has no excuse.

>>32494485
m-muh postgame

>>32490857
I beat him by using my own Dratini from my Blue version. I did the same thing his dragonair did, just raped all his stuff with Dragon Rage. That Starmie and Alakazam he's got are bastards, though, almost as big bastards as his Dragonair.

>>32488353
It's been beaten to death, but again for whatever reason the devs insisted on level up only moves. They fixed it in yellow.

>>32494485
Nostalgia.

>>32494004
too bad. took too much effort on their part.
But Gamefreak should implement a NG+ one of these days. SM had the perfect opportunity to do so with the alternate dimension, but decided not to for some reason.

>>32494137
>limited amount of custom moves
Literally wrong considering this was fixed during Yellow (and guess what game Yellow is). It was just negligence on Gamefreak's part because they felt that them being vastly overleveled would make the difference.

>>32489451

>You reach the end of Johto victory road in late 30's

Man I forgot how much I hated the Johto level curve until now, thanks

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>>32488310

>>32494253
>remember that it was the Kanto sequel
ironically no one seems to remember that GSC is red 2 and blue 2.

>>32488315
Please don't kill yourself

>>32494485
>>32494485
It was a direct sequel, and you got to use all the old mon's plus some new ones.

>>32495926
Well, most of the detractors probably weren't around then. If you started at Hoenn or later, you'd expect new Pokemon to take the spotlight.

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>>32496592
Thanks, anon.

>>32494137
>the game's allowed to be bad
no. if it's bad, it's fucking bad

>>32488310
Not every character has to be a "chosen one" only because he's acquainted with the protagonist.

>>32489705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0At5MXUoM
>"Have you been keeping well?"

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>>32493082
I want hard mode back

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Find a flaw.

>>32502646
no league rematch levels
no fucking character
spontaneously becomes retarded the moment you shit out a black writ
half of her pokemon have useless abilities

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>>32492762
In Red and Blue, all trainer moves were level-up moves with the exceptions of the Gym Leaders (who get one special move on one of their Pokémon) and the Elite Four (who get one special move on all of their Pokémon, but it's the same move for each of them). All of Blue's Pokémon only have level-up moves, which is why Rhydon has Tail Whip and Leer (it learns Leer at Level 55 for some stupid fucking reason) and why Exeggutor doesn't have a full moveset (stone evolutions don't learn any moves after evolving and only have Level 1 moves).
https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/data/trainer_moves.asm

>>32492762
>>32502735
Yellow, on the other hand, has a more advanced move selection, and allows individual trainer parties to customize their movesets as much as they wish. You can see the Champion has 7 or 8 custom moves (depending on what team he's using) in Yellow.
https://github.com/pret/pokeyellow/blob/master/data/trainer_moves.asm
Also the remakes have completely custom movesets like >>32494137 said.

Only reason this is split into two posts is because it was triggering some kind of spam filter as a single post and I couldn't figure out why.

>>32492762
>>32502735
I apologize if it seems like I keep replying to you, but I need to correct myself after reading >>32488427
https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/46a94c63fc287e7290502776d02648476bc44171/engine/battle/read_trainer_party.asm
If you look at Line 117 it shows how it does the rival's custom moves. Only Pidgeot and the starter have a custom move, though, which confuses me. I doubt it's a memory limitation, they must've just been lazy. Either that or it was a last minute addition, given it's in a completely different section of code than the rest of the "trainers with custom moves" code, and they didn't fully flesh it out. Yellow's system is a lot neater and easier to understand than RB's.

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>>32502620
Honestly , they should do that more often, full monotype is shit...but with stab this time.

And lopunny/drifblim still kinda fit in a "hot" themed team!

>>32502806
also steelix
>Tempered underground under high pressure and heat, its body is harder than any metal.

>>32493082
>Cyrus
>Candice
Garbage teams. Sure they have checks against their weaknesses, but it's not like their battles are particularly hard. You'll most likely be using 3/6 pokemon against them at most.

>>32490857
Fuck this guy

>>32502806
>Lopunny
>fits in a hot themed team
What did they mean by this?

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>is themed around dacning
>no bellesome
>no maractus
>dancing bird didn't come out til the next generation
i get they were going for a theme with the movesets, but they should have given him pokemon that actually had something to do with dancing

>>32502620
>Nasty Pass Ambipom with Agility
It's a shame the AI is shit because that thing could be really scary if he actually used it right.

>>32502646
>Refrigerate
>no Normal type moves
why

>>32505055
Eh, Aurorus best use of it is Return or Hyper Beam on XY anyway.

>>32493082
>Honchkrow can learn Psychic
what the FUCK

>>32502646
>replace flying press with high jump kick
>Replace X-scissor with acrobatics
>Replace Aurorus with Meowstic using a set of dual screens, psychic, and shadow ball
>replace trick or treat with will-o-wisp
>replace Gardevoir's thunderbolt with focus miss
>bump her levels up by 3
Is she challenging yet?

>>32497607
I mean, they should take the spotlight regardless of whether or not it's a sequel. That's kind of the point. Plus it's not like they couldn't have Johto Pokemon with them. Whitney had Miltank, Jasmine had Steelix, and Pryce had Piloswine. Clair had Kingdra as her strongest mon.

>>32488310
>burn on contact
>poison on contact
>no crits
seems somewhat defended to me

>>32490113
Sneasel appeared in Ice Cave if you played Crystal

>>32502662
I agree that there should've been rematches, but you forget that XY has the highest E4 levels in the series, easily 10-15 levels above other leagues. For those that didn't use the Exp.Share some of those mons are a bitch.

>>32506935
However even without Exp. Share, XY is one of the games where it's very easy to reach level 100.