ITT: things Game Freak are forced to add in every single game

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>>32470081

If only they had retconned Eevee to evolve by Leaf and Ice stones.

Arceus plates, signature legendary/mythical moves/items.

>>32470081
Might as well say elemental stones at this point

>tfw in the future, npcs will literally be stopping every 10 mins to give you one of the items in this thread

I can't believe they made the ROMs for Silvally in addition to the plates, that just doesn't make sense to me. They need a separate bag pouch for all these useless form changing items

>>32470081
well not in HGSS

>>32470108
Wrong Gen 5 never added pikachu

>>32470251
Yeah, why not just make Silvally use the plates? Would've made so much more sense.

>>32470081
>40somerhing different megastones
>20something z crystals
>18 Silvally discs
>Gracidea
>DNA Splicers
>Griseous Orb
>Prison Bottle
>Zygarde form change station
>Keldeo and Meloetta tutors
>Fug tutor
>Leaf and Ice rocks
>Magnet place
>Red and Blue orbs
>Genesect drives
>Deoxys meteor
>Necrozma's inevitable form change location/item

I think nobody would mind if they retcon Eevee to evolve using the Leaf and Ice stones.

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>>32470255

>>32470284

Make the Sun and Moon stones work for Espeon and Umbreon too.

>>32470255
You could get him and meowth actually at a very rare spawn rate.

>>32470282
You forgot the incenses and rotom parts

wonder how they're gonna handle previously established regional variants.

>>32470284
B...but TRADITION! How will you explain the previous games? You'll ruin everything! RUIN!

>>32470333
HOW DOES THIS LE FITS IN LE TIMELINE!!!!!!!!REEEEEEEEEE

>>32470340
Pokemon is going to have an alternate universe that retcons out most Pokemon and cut down the items. It will be similar to JoJo. Mark my words.

>>32470333
>they do this shit but lickitung could still use Rollout 2 gens before its evo existed

Seriously, though, the entire system has been in need of a massive revamp for ages, and the more they redefine junk, the more necessary it becomes. In fact, I don't even know why they continue to have a numbering system. Alola's dex showed we can have each page just be a single species. Just fucking do that.

>as more items were made, the amount of pockets in the bag decreased

>>32470367
can't wait
maybe we'll get games set in different times too, like something way in the past in the early days of pokemon trainers being a thing

>only one pokemon uses this to evolve

I never understood this

>>32470324
Maybe they'll create an "Alolan Incense" that you can have a Pokemon hold when breeding to produce its Alolan variant, with some kind of hidden value for shit like Pikachu, Cubone, and Exegcute that will cause them to evolve into their Alolan variants instead of the regular ones?
And just introduce similar incenses for any others that come with later games.

>>32470324
maybe some guy will trade you for the non variant version

So how many items go into the Items pocket now? Like, if you put one of every item into it, how many would be there?

>>32470324
these are good ideas
>>32470413
>>32470431
I think what I'd like to see the most is some sort of Alolan Embassy and the backyard is just a place for you to catch Alola Forms

that'd take the most work out of the 3 but it'd be real cool to see which is why GF won't do it

>>32470324
Every region, regardless of climate, will have a tropical island.

If you evolve your Pikachu there, it becomes Alolan Raichu.

The ones with Alolan base forms, like Vulpix and Grimer might just show up as random encounters. Mt. Coronet for instance might have Alolan Vulpix, and there might be an oil spill out on an ocean route where you can find Alolan Grimer.

>>32470432
The item pocket is incredibly cluttered now. We need a fucking search function in there so you can instantly get what you need or create a Pokemon Items pocket for all of that stupid shit.

>>32470298
And Shiny stone for Sylveon

>>32470095
honestly this. And we could bypass the Amie bullshit by making Sylveon evolve with a Shiny or Dawn stone. It's a fucking crime that Espeon and Umbreon haven't evolved via Sun and Moon Stones from the beginning though.

>>32470333
They did it for ugly fish, i doubt people would care here.

>>32470450
The Safari Zone is perfect for regional forms, the only issue will be Exeggutor, Raichu and Marowak

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>>32470478
>Safari Zone

I'm sure it'll come back!

>>32470255
There's a man in Castelia in BW with a random Pikachu.

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>>32470333
>B...but TRADITION! How will you explain the previous games?
Leaf Stones and Ice Stones work on Eevee, because it ate fluffy fucking pancakes.

>>32470284
>>32470298
I wish they would.

>>32470522
>surfer dude Raichu
>Surf is a TM now
>Raichu still can't fucking learn it outside of events
I'm still mad.

>>32470522
>they create a pancake item to evole pikachu with

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>>32470333
>why is Whitney using Clefairy if Clefairy is a Fairy Type, not Normal?

>>32470095
Seriously, at this point there isn't much reason to not retcon some of the Eeveelutions.
>Espeon Sun/Dawn stone
>Umbreon Moon/Dusk stone
>Glaceon Ice Stone
>Leafeon Leaf Stone
I don't have a different one for Sylveon, it's the only gimmick that makes sense since there isn't anything that serves as an obvious substitute.

>>32470708
They should honestly just remove a lot of the trade evolution items, too. Just have Electabuzz and Magmar evolve when they're traded.

>>32470708
give Sylveon the Shiny stone. Introduce 2 new Eevee forms, a Ghost and a Dragon maybe? for Dusk and Dawn stone respectively. Sylveon and the Dragon one's stones are interchangeable.

>>32470729
or even level up while holding, like Gliscor and Weavile.

>>32470729
>Electabuzz level up knowing Thunderpunch
>Magmar level up knowing Fire Punch
>Rhydon knowing protect I guess?

>>32470741
I forgot Shiny stone was a thing, this works too.

>>32470282
>>32470309
You both forgot the four colors of Nectar for the dancing bird.

>razor claw
>king's rock
>razor fang
>reaper's cloth
>up-grade
>dubious-disk
>magmarizer
>Electirizer
>dragon scale
>deep sea tooth
>deep sea scale
>protector
>metal coat
>sachet
>whipped dream
>oval stone

>>32470760
>prism scale

>they can add all of these items to every game
>the only gem to ever return was the normal gem

>>32470546
Have pikachu evolve into its alolan form if you evolve it in a restaurant

>>32470760
>all for 48BP

>>32470406
Even though bag space is unlimited now, I still miss PC item storage just so that you didn't need to carry around dozens of pages of useless bullshit everywhere you go. Goddamn, I'm not going to need all the Arceus plates, all the Silvally discs, all the Genesect drives, all the evolutionary stones, and all the incenses on me every time I just want to go into my bag and quickly find an Everstone or Power Weight or some shit.

>>32470470
It's all about consistency. A new pokemon can't evplve from an old one unless the method was unavailable before. Otherwise you "should" be able to get an Umbreon in gen 1.

There might be a couple of exceptions but it holds true usually.

>>32471253
that's a really shitty excuse for them to have

>>32470450
>every region having its own little Sevii Island-esque area, brimming with life and maybe even having some additional sidequest stuff to do there

I'd be okay with this.

Unfortunately, knowing GameFreak, it would just be a screen-sized square island with a single patch of grass in the middle, like Mr. Backlot's yard, and the Friend Safari.

>>32471002
This makes me sick. Basically every Pokemon in the game can evolve for free if you just grind out the levels, but an arbitrarily selected group of Pokemon have to be traded to someone trustworthy enough to give it back to you, AND require some held item that costs multiple rounds of rigged battle facility shit, which will of course disappear after a single use.

Why is armando line so OP

>>32471253
>There might be a couple of exceptions but it holds true usually.

Gamefreak should just give up

>>32471313
WOOOOOOOW I THOUGHT YOU WANTED MORE POSTGAME GUESS YOU HATE POKEMON

seriously though i wouldn't be surprised if they did this just to pad the game out even more.

>>32471337
They should just give some of those items out as mystery gifts to pad out time between legendary/mythical/shiny/etc. distributions.

>>32471360
>when they introduce a new pokemon AND a new item to trade evolve said pokemon

Why in the fuck do they do this? Why can't i just, you know, USE the item? Better yet, why have the item at all?

How is Vikavolt gonna evolve next gen /vp/ ?

>>32471399
some route/cave arbitrarily is magnetic despite not a single indication of it being so, just like every single game. Seriously how are people supposed to know?

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>>32471421
Its like only Gen 5 made a blatantly obvious electromagnetic themed cave. The rest give little to no indication like Poni Canyon and evne the debut gen Mt Coronet.

Gen 6 has the power plants at least. Gen 7 has one too but for some reason that isnt the location.

>>32471384
The trading thing I can understand. Sure, you want to encourage players to link with other players. But needing additional consumable items on top of that is just redundant.

>>32471421
Chargestone Cave made it work, though.

Why does GF have to make sooooo many Pokemon evolve by trade item, like seriously it's annoying, just make it a certain level, damn

>>32471472
I think gen 7 is the first gen to avoid any trade evolutions or item evolutions beyond in game stones.

>>32471488
They made up for it with the 18 fucking memory drives or whatever silvally needs

>>32471501
>you're handed them all at once instead of having to find them throughout the game and wonder what they might be, and learn at the end when gladion gives you the type null

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>>32471472
>someday, there will be a Pokemon who evolves ONLY at level 58, exactly 1 hour and 37 minutes after the fourth rooster crow on a Sunday morning, with happiness and affection maxed, while holding its own unique item, in an area with a natural rainstorm, and the game system being held upside down and submerged in exactly 16° C water

>>32471517
You forgot the bit about holding a plush of the pokemon itself to the system's camera

>>32471517
And you'll need to have the event deoxys from emerald in your party for it to evolve

>>32471525
And you need to be in an actual real life Pokemon Center.

>>32471523
>>32471525
>while simultaneously tweeting "#EvolvePokemon" with your linked Twitter account

>>32471236
>finish the elite 4 in ORAS
>go to Cozmo to give him the meteorite like in RSE
>doesn't take it
>feel annoyed that I can't just leave it in the PC
>go through Delta Episode
>find out that the meteorite is needed for Mega Fug
>the whole Hoenn region would have been destroyed if it wasn't for the Player Character being a hoarder
The fate of the world depended on me basically saying "I'll just carry this rock around for no reason." I don't know how anyone can willfully defend garbage like that.

>>32470282
Just say most of the fucking item, instead of mentioning them one by one.

>>32471539
Nobody willfully defends ORAS, and especially not the Delta Episode. Don't worry, anon.

>>32471517
And only on Masudas Birthday

>>32471236
the convenience pouch in BW/BW2 was the fucking goat.

>>32471556
there is a favorites tab in the sun moon bag
i keep the poke doll lillie gave me in there and nothing else[/spoiler[

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>>32471555
>Sunday, AND on a specific calendar date
>players' faces when Masuda's birthday is on a Saturday the year that the game launches, and then Monday the following year due to Leap Year

>>32471552
>Nobody willfully defends ORAS, and especially not the Delta Episode
You clearly haven't been here as long as I have then, because they certainly exist.

>>32471563
Correction, nobody SANE*

>>32471561
to be fair, I haven't played SM in like 3 months. I finished the story, bred a little bit and decided the Battle Tree just wasn't for me.

I'm having a fucking blast (again) at the Battle Frontier in my Emerald though

>>32471562
The only good thing would be that the entire fandom would agree that just injecting it is the best solution.

>>32471586
There would still be purists dedicated to getting it legit, and you know it.

>>32471562
>>32471586
>>32471597
I wish this was a thing just so I could look at Verlisify's twitter. It would be so satisfying.

>>32471314
Because Clover Devs like fightans

I'm surprised no one said Ash-Greninja.

>>32470081
ever growing disappointment.

>>32471517
>>32471523
>>32471525
And then it loses speed when it evolves and end up being a slow frail mixed attacker

>>32470639
WHitney hasn't use CLifairy as a fairy yet. SHe probably will become Fairy gym leader and Miltank will gen a Fairy Mega or something

>>32470729
They shouldn't. But they SHOULD add special effect for trade items.
Magmarizer for example should boost Magmar family sp attack and sp deffence

>>32470451
To be honest, just organize it Alphabetically and you can get what you want pretty fast using L/R to scroll.

>>32471236
The fact that Memories are not one item made me mad.

>>32470251
Anyone else realize Sivally is a copy of GOD?

>>32470639
Mega Evolution games take place in a different universe than the pre-ME games, Fairy-type an Mega Evolution don't exist in any pre-gen 6 game

Though this also allows them to retcon all the shit mentioned in the thread, but they won't do it so

>>32472546
That would require Gamefreak to actually care about Johto.

>>32472557
No, you should make an article about it.

>>32470081
I'll never be able to use my own glaceon in game because of this bs. The ice rock is just before the elite 4 so it's not like I get to truly enjoy having one throughout the game.

>>32470324
Alola variants will only be possible through pokémon bank.

>>32470470
Espeon and Umbreon were made to show off the day/night cycle.

>>32470282
>that random asshole at some pokemon center that teaches Dragon Ascent

inb4 Gamefreak reboots the brand. 150 new pokemon, completely renewed moveset - elements, evolutions, no way to carry the old farts in the new system.
>Pikachu eventually comes out as a special event only for wapanese people and WWIII explodes

>>32471442
>could have got Vikavolt/Probopass/Magnezone so much earlier by levelling them in the route outside the power plant
>they didn't evolve them there because reasons, and instead made them evolve somewhere completely unrelated to anything electric

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>>32470639
Fuck off emojifag

>>32471442

that's because the gen 4 localization fucked up the name.

Mt Coronet's JP name is Tengem Magnet backwards for some reason.

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>802 pokemon in total
>Only 5 evolve via a Leaf Stone, an item itroduced over 20 years ago
>Only 2 evolve with a Dawn Stone, an item introduced over 10 years ago

Why not, instead of increasing the already bloated list of evo items, they don't just use these old as dirt things?

Ice Stone isn't going to be doing much else outside gen 7, is it?

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>>32470282
>they slowly stop caring about muh lore and just have people hand them to you

>>32472543
With bug/flying.

>>32471236
Since I like to go for a living dex when I play through the game, I've started using them for item storage.

>>32472526
Nigger, that'll literally be forgotten like Cosplay Pikachu and Notched-tail Pichu.

>>32472829
They already did that, just look at Dragon Ascent. It took one set of games for them to just put a random dude in a Pokemon Center who immediately asks if you want to teach something the move.

>>32472586

trade an Eevee from one copy to another then tradeback or have as friend do it.

it can be done.

Nevermind all that, will there always be a place where I can stylize my Furfrou?!

>>32472895
>Add a dog and give it haircuts
>Very important, gotta make sure it's in the next gen
>Add a deer that is based around seasons and give it seasonal changes
>Not important at all, throw away immediately

>>32472848
Yea sure, it's not like it is relevant competitive wise and basically a mega evolution

>>32470081
I fucking hate that you can never really go through a game with glaceon

>>32472922
>relevant competitive wise
Why the shit would that matter?

>>32470304
nice sauce liar

>>32470081
That's not necessarily true. They got rid of contest stats and gave Milotic a new way to evolve, it is possible that they retcon some things.

I would assume if they ever drop amie then Sylveon will get a new evolution method also

>>32472848
I'll never forget notched tail pichu ;_;

>>32472848
how can one person be this wrong

>>32470708
Sylveon can stay seeing as it's unlikely that they'll remove amie and you can use it on different Mon as it is.
Leafeon should have a moss stone item and Glaceon can have the ice stone that or make the whole area rather than just the vicinity of a moss and icy rock an evo area.
Umbreon and Espeon aren't really an issue.

>>32472969
Yes, because both of those Pokemon are in Sun/Moon.

>>32471442
>HGSS had the perfect area for electromagnetic evos
>location evo mechanic removed

>>32472829
This started in Gen 6. Random Punk Girl even gave me one of the most important items.

I think the only one the put a shred of thought into was the Genie mirror being in the Cave of Reflections.

AFAIK, Gen 7 didn't even try at all. Did Colress give you the DNA Splicers in Alola? I can't remember, but there is zero excuse for him not to.

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>walk into pokecenter
>WANNA LEARN DRAGON ASCENT?

>>32472980
no i meant about ash greninja being forgotten. it's popular in game and in anime/movies. this shit will get pushed so hard in the future

>>32472829
They've been doing that since HGSS.
Mr.Pokemon just gives you the red and blue orb then there's a random jade orb.

>>32472959
Contest stats were never removed anon, they were hidden.
Feebas could evolve if you had it maxed before sending it over to BW making it the only Mon with two evo methods for one evolution.

Still can't get the variations of sawsbuck though reeeee

>>32472999
Mr Pokemon was a researcher, and that was part of a sidequest involving Oak telling you to go get the orbs.

That is perfectly acceptable, especially considering it was based around a side-quest involving an expansion of lore for those Legendaries that actually happens in Johto. Even Gen 5 made sure that only "Important NPC's" would give you the rare items, like those Ninja's who gave you the Sinnoh gems.

It's nothing like Gen 6/7's "generic NPC just happens to have this super rare item for you"

>>32473056
It's because the seasons dont change anymore, so they just have to pick one season for the region and stick with it.

At least we'll probably get the Winter Sawsbuck if we get Sinnoh remakes. Probably.

>>32472992
>Colress stops and talks to you about mega-evolution at Route 8(?) randomly
>literally never seen again until Battle Tree
>Dexio/whatsherdick are the ones to give you Key Stone
Why bother putting him in the game?

>>32473244
I'm pretty sure they just picked him and Grimsley to represent BW and B2W2 at the Battle Tree, and then they gave them very small cameos in the main game as a treat.

But to be honest, it's just a huge missed opportunity. If you've got the model ready, why not use him?

Colress should have been at Aether Foundation, and he should have given you the DNA splicers. I try to be less critical of Gen 7 than most of /vp/, but that missed opportunity is one thing I can't forgive.

>>32473252
Grimsley at least gave you the Sharpedo pager. Colress was literally dialogue filler.

>>32470081
They just need to retcon them to use appropriate stones. Ice, Leaf, Thunder. Thunder could even be a brand new one Magnetic Stone or something.

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...Oh wait. Not anymore, I guess.

>>32472562
Wasn't the implication that remakes take place in the Mega Evolution universe, and the originals weren't canon anymore?

>>32470282
I don't think there's a normal ROM you know.

>>32473324
He gives you one TM.

>>32471562
But on a leap year the day goes ahead by two.
Otherwise the days always go ahead by one.

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>>32473200
Also, in HGSS, they only give you the orbs after you've beaten Red. You're the strongest trainer in the entire region, so they KNOW you can handle whatever shows up.

...and then you get Gen 7, where you can buy the Red/Blue orbs from a random NPC for ₱10,000, at a point where your team isn't even in the 20s yet.

>>32470122
But that's already the case, anon.

>>32473447
No, because that isn't a thing.

>>32470251
I wish it was just one item which's type you could change. It'd be so much better.

>>32473244
To be fair Corless does at least talk about Genesect before giving the drives. At least they met us halfway.

>>32470282

if i were game freak id just start fusing most of these items into one, replacing location based evos with elemental stones, etc.

legendary boosting items would be held items the legendaries already have when you encounter them, special move tutors (ie; dragon ascent) are relegated to important characters and only after you finish the necessary part of the story to unlock them

no more clutter, no more npcs stopping every ten minutes to hand you shit, no more random assholes standing around teaching god tier moves, have them pop up only when it absolutely needs to

>>32473571
yeah yeah. it's been said 10 million times already.
Pokémon died after BW2, they just don't care anymore.
That infamous Masuda interview was the nail in the coffin.

>>32470708
The funny thing is, they already made it so Eevee can evolve into Espeon and Umbreon using the Sun Shard and the Moon Shard in Gale of Darkness, so it's not like they'd be completely opposed to retconning.

>>32470729
Completing the Pokédex was an absolute nightmare in Diamond, where you only got one of each evolution item in the entire game
One person who I traded with to get Rhydon to evolve just disconnected as soon as they got the Rhyperior, and I was stuck having to beg in trade threads for somebody to lend me one temporarily.

>>32473571
I Alola they ignore what the orbs are, are just beautiful stones so what's wrong with it? It's like buy a jewel

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>>32470251
>tfw didn't take the Type Null from Gladion yet since I don't want the useless discs to clutter the already bloated item bag space
All because they got rid of the fucking Item PC. I would've stored that shit right away but I can't because GameFreak hates QoL features.

>>32472546
Is your shift key stuck, anon?

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>>32473685
>have legendary artifacts
>I LIEK THE SHINYZ
Fucking Alolans.

>>32470760
Things like Razor Claw, Metal Claw and Kings Rock at least have other uses and can evolve multiple mons to boot.

Exclusive evolution items are pure fucking cancer though.

>>32473549
That's what I said. Monday is two days after Saturday.

I feel gen 6 handled new evos quite well save for Swirlix/Spritzee

They actually managed to add new evolution methods without bloating the game with items, exclusive tutor moves or location bullshit (Inkay, Pancham, Sylveon just to name a few).

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>>32473685
>This shop...is curated for the true collectors. Average Trainers have no need of our goods.
>We purchased that particular item from the Hoenn region. I've heard that it has something to do with a Pokemon that rules the land/sea. We thank you for your purchase and hope that you will visit our shop again.
They know that there's something more to them, and they know that trainers can use them, they just don't fucking care.

>>32472941
You can never really go through a game with an ice type in general. The earliest one comes is Lapras in Johto, and even then it's after the 4th gym and only on friday.

>>32474196
Yeah that always pisses me off. Ice is a really cool type and I'm glad that Prism gave you Sneasel super early.

Why do we even need a Dragon Ascent tutor to begin with? Just have the move in Ray's learnset instead, how hard is this?

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>>32470081
Pokemon

>>32474218
It feels really silly to have one guy going "hey, I can teach your legendary Rayquaza this super crazy move that lets it Mega Evolve"

>>32474259
>single guy to teach the worthless Pledge moves
>single guy for Relic Song
>single guy for Secret Sword
>single guy for Dragon Ascent
>single guy for Draco Meteor
>and then one last one to relearn a shitload of moves
>still no egg move tutor

Would it be so hard to condense this all into a single "Move Master?"

>>32473999
>some pokemon related to ground/water can use this shit =/= it's a primal orb which allows a god to recover its ancient power to terraform the world

>>32474285
You forgot
>single guy for the Starter's Hyper Beams

>>32474196
I'll never understand why ice has always been such a rare-ass type. You'd think it would be one of the more common typings, but it's up there with Ghost and Dragon for whatever reason.

>>32474196
Amaura in Kalos is around 2nd gym.

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>>32474285
>single guy to hand to hand out Gen IV Legendary Orbs
>single guy to hand out Gracidea Flower
>single guy to hand out Genesect Drives
>single guy to hand out Prison Bottle
>eventually, a single guy to hand out Zygarde Cube
>location with Deoxys Meteor
>have to track down 17 Elemental Plates
>have to track down 48 Mega Stones
>have to track down Red + Blue Orbs
>eventually, have to track down 29 Z-Crystals
>this isn't even all of the form-changing items

There's getting to be way to many fucking exclusive items

>>32472848
>>32472980
Greninja with Battle Bond can be stored in Pokebank. Neither Cosplay Pikachu or Notched-Ear Pichu could be transferred anywhere. Since that isn't the case for Ash-Greninja, it's going to show up in the future.

Whether that means that they'll actually start putting a new Battle Bond Greninja in every game from here on out or they'll just expect players to keep transferring it forward remains to be seen, though.

>>32470470
>And we could bypass the Amie bullshit by making Sylveon evolve with a Shiny or Dawn stone.
Why? You don't need to do anything but feed it a single rainbow bean in Gen 7.

>>32474433
Forgot about that, my bad.

>>32474497
Is this what will pass as postgame? Just getting fucking items for pokemon you'll never use?

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>regular Move Tutor
>Move Deleter
>tutor for Blast Burn/Hydro Cannon/Frenzy Plant
>tutor for Pledges
>tutor for Draco Meteor
>tutor for Dragon Ascent
>tutor for Relic Song
>tutor for Sacred Sword
>tutors who take BP for moves the Pokemon could never learn otherwise but only exist in Remakes, Third Versions or any game that isn't the one that kicks off the generation
>guy who gives you all of the Gen 4 Orbs
>guy who gives you a Gracidea Flower
>guy who gives you Genesect's Drives
>guy who gives you a Prison Bottle
>guy who gives you Red/Blue Orbs
>guy who gives you Reveal Glass
>guy who gives you DNA Splicers
>guy who will eventually gives you all of Silvally's ROMs
>guy who will eventually give you a Zygarde Cube and Zygarde Cells will be scattered in every single region from now on with no explanation
>guy who sells Oricorio Nectars
>guy who changes "Dimensions" for Lycanroc to be Day/Night
>area with a meteor that allows Deoxys to change formes
>area with appliances that allows Rotom to change formes
>area where Furfrous can get haircuts
>area with the Icy/Moss Rock
>area that's magnets so Vikavolt and the like can evolve
>area that's very high up so Crabominable can evolve
>Malamar will probably evolve via a Trade Item whenever there's no Gyro Controls so you can't flip the game upside-down
>area that's always raining so Goodra can evolve because Rain Dance/Drizzle doesn't count
>inevitable item/location for Sylveon when GameFreak gets sick and tired of porting Amie every generation
>inevitable "Alolan Incense" that when held causes that Pokemon to always evolve into the Alolan Counterpart or when used while breeding guarantees Alolan Offspring
>having to hunt down all of the Plates again
>having to hunt down all of the Non-Specific Z-Crystals again
>having to hunt down all of the "Hold while trading" Items again (OF WHICH THERE ARE FOURTEEN, MOST ARE EXCLUSIVE TO A SINGLE POKEMON)
>having to hunt down all of the Mega Stones they include again

>>32474596
Don't fret! Postgame will still consist of you running around to locations you've already thoroughly explored in order to catch each of a dozen legendary Pokemon that collectively account for 90% of the competitively viable Pokemon in the new generation!

You'll also have to find the key items that change their form, the tutor for their exclusive move, and the Z-crystal for their super-secret Z-move that isn't actually worth using, of course.

>>32474630
Oh boy! I'm so glad we have that instead of those pesky battle facilities, contests, actual secret and/or postgame areas, etc.! I love walking into every copy-paste house in every town!

>certain items are now copied to Pokebank automatically, including Mega Stones and exclusive Z-Crystals
>Pokebank also syncs to your key item pocket and will allow you to transfer forme change items between games
>Pokebank ALSO has complete move tutor functionality, from the shitty starter moves to the super legend moves to the regular Punches/Knock Off/etc tutors
>only precondition for importing items from Bank is becoming Champion in the title you're using Bank with
>tutored moves are unlocked in groups based on how many gym badges/Z-crystals/progress markers you've collected in the title you're using
>most of this cluttering shit never shows up in future games again because it's already included in Pokebank
I didn't fix it, but did I make it less shit?

>>32474685
But you do have battle facilities! You have the Maison/Subway/Tree/Prison/Tower/Mountain that's focused on streaks so you can lose 1000 fights of progress, AND the 1V3 arena-uh i mean the Battle Royal Dome!

>>32474699
It's still shit, but not as shit. At this rate we need a "pokemon exclusive items" pocket or something. While we're at it, readd the pokeball pocket

>>32474699
No. You shouldn't NEED a separate program that you have to pay extra for just for functionality. This is what pisses me off about the lack of a National Dex, I absolutely NEED the pokebank if I want to complete the full Pokedex and keep track of it all.

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>Metal Coat/Upgrade/DeepseaTooth and Scale/Dragon Scale/King's Rock/Electirizer/Dubious Disc/Magmarizer/Prism Scale/Protector/Reaper Cloth/Sachet/Whipped Dream

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>>32474748
>"It is loved by a certain pokemon."

>>32470284
Game Freak will pretend somebody does, so they can justify doing this same shit

>>32474616
Jesus christ, STOP

>>32474616
I want to die

>>32474748
These wouldn't be so bad if they worked similar to how the thick club does for Cubone/Marowak.

>>32474616
It's fucking insane. Just put special move tutors in the regular moveset, condense all the form-changing items in a single one, make a universal trade evolution item that is not consumed, make Silvally works with the Plates, retcon location based evolutions to stone based evolution and put all the megastones and Z-crystals in the competitive facility FOR FREE. And for God's sake bring back the item PC and the "favorites" part of the bag in every game

Sylveon/umbreon have a special connection with their trainer sun/moon stone evolution is fucking stupid

>>32474433
It's also complete ass

>>32470333
For like 15 years you could hit all Pokemon with Dragon type moves
Then one day they have no effect on a certain type...even Pokemon it was clearly hitting before

everyone is fine with this

>>32472618
The Day/Night cycle were literally removed from the following generation

>>32475053
Sylveon/Umbreon/Espeon makes no fucking sense
Three evolve when presented with an elemental stone
The stones representing Day/Night have no effect
For some reason they evolve from the power of friendship whether it's day or night
It's always day or night somewhere
Middle ground has no effect

Using stones on something that has always evolved using stones makes more sense

Double Battles

>>32474616
Don't forget
>Breeding Incenses
>Soul Dew
>Lucky Punch
>Light Ball
>Razor Fang/Claw
>Metal Powder
>Quick Powder
>Thick Club

>>32475268
I would have included them but I ran out of room.
>Stick

>>32475303
Completely forgot that one
>A FUCKING STICK

>>32470081
Technically all the pokemon from every previous generation.

>>32474616
This is why the new games struggle with adding actual NEW content. They're so taxed and sapped of creativity from just porting over all of the old content. Most of these items and "features" need to be retconned out of existence to free their hands a bit.

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I can't believe you guys are actually autistically complaining about all of this.

You should be thankful that Game Freak actually DOES go out of their way to add all of this stuff in each game.

So every gen a very small handful of Pokémon have special evo methods and items. No shit after 20 years its going to add up.

But in these past 20 years, they have made sure that every single Pokémon is allowed to be in every single game they make, along with all the relevant items and such needed.

>wahhhh why cant everything be super convenient and handed to me and every pokemon evolves at the same boring set levels

Now don't get me wrong, how they have handled some of this stuff in Gen 6/7 is certainly less than satisfactory. They've missed some opportunities, and been sloppy/lazy with others.

But actually complaining about them making sure all of this stuff is always available is beyond retarded. Actually wanting them to retcon all this shit just because it's not convenient enough to you is just retarded. Oh boo-hoo, a very small amount (like 20) of Pokémon in the 800+ total have a special evo method, wahhhh, lets retcon everything! Jesus.

>inb4 autists lose their shit over this, and pretend like removing Game Freaks cute or creative ideas will somehow magically inspire them to make better games

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>>32470081

>>32475647
this tbqh

>>32475647
>You should be thankful that Game Freak actually DOES go out of their way to add all of this stuff in each game.
They just copypaste the items list every game and then add the new stuff, because it's easier for them and they don't care if the system could use an overhaul

I wonder how long it would take if they gave one NPC all special items mentioned in this thread so that NPC can give them to you.

>>32475800
Is it even copy/paste? Between Gen III and V I'm pretty sure it was the same engine since they had unused items still in the game up to that point. You don't copy/paste unused items and continue not using them. I assume the same for VI and VII too, though separate because they use 3D models.

Kinda like how Fallout 3 and New Vegas are the same engine and have a lot of carryover bullshit from 3.

>>32475826
>guy hands you a second backpack just for this shit

>>32475800
Or they just decided they didn't need to overhaul anything just to cater to a few small autists on the internet

>>32475845
>"You're gonna need a second bag for these, so here!"
>Player has recieved a bigger bag!
>"Take this too!"
>Player has recieved the DNA Splicer
>"And this!"
>Player has received the Gracidea Flower
>"How about this?
>"Player has recieved the Red orb"
>"Can't forget this!"
>Player has received the Blue orb
>continues for 5 minutes

>>32475870
Why not just be given the items only if you show the NPC the specific legendary/mythical in your party? Like you can't get the Red Orb unless you show him a Groudon, etc.

>>32474616
I was gonna make a joke about pokemon being a collectathon now, but it already focused on collecting things

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>>32473612
Which interview are you talking about?

>>32477068
Probably the one where they said that they didn't include a battle frontier in ORAS because the majority of their current demographic wouldn't even bother with it, so why go through the trouble.

>>32473200
>That is perfectly acceptable
"Perfectly acceptable" is not a random NPC having two story and lore important orbs that were never meant to leave Hoenn and a random third orb that never appeared up until that point.

>>32477114
>more lore is bad because i say so
k

I guess legendaries and their items just scattered all over the place with zero explanation is better than them putting a side quest together. Who knew.

>>32477081
>make it basically impossible to get through without breeding, which is basically impossible to do right without looking up a shitload of guides
>WOW HOW COME CASUALS DONT TOUCH IT

>>32477149
git gud

>>32470413
For the evolved Alolan forms, you could just have them hold the Alolan incence while leveling up at night for Marowak, while using a Leaf Stone for Exeggutor, or while using a Thunder Stone for Raichu. It's that simple.

>>32477140
>inconsistent lore is okay because I say so
k

>I guess legendaries and their items just scattered all over the place with zero explanation is better than them putting a side quest together.
Are you seriously saying this to me while defending exactly that?
I mean what Mr. Pokemon says is, to paraphrase, "I got this from my friend!". With no explanation as to who this friend is or why they have it.
There's also no explanation whatsoever as to why the tower was made, why Groudon, Kyogre and Ray were there to begin with and why their weather abilities didn't work while there.

>>32477149
>breeding, which is basically impossible to do right without looking up a shitload of guides
they made this easy as fuck in gen 6, plus it's your own damn fault if you can't inject at this point

>>32477183
That's not the point. Who would ever think to give a mon in the daycare a Destiny Knot without a guide? Hell, how is anybody supposed to figure half the shit out in pokemon without religiously reading the internet

>>32477175
>"I got this from my friend!"
obviously referring to the last person to own it, duh

>There's also no explanation whatsoever as to why the tower was made
Yes, every ancient ruins in vidya ever has to be thouroughly explained.

The ruins in Unova's desert are also lore breaking because we never find out why they were built, or who lived there, or why Volcarona is there!!

>why their weather abilities didn't work while there.
They weren't enraged you dingaling, they had already been calmed by this point, Gen 3 happens before Gen 2 in the timeline.

>>32475268
>Breeding Incenses
This is the worst one, they're unnecessary.

>>32477210
>obviously referring to the last person to own it, duh
And who is this person exactly? How did they obtain these literal sacred relics never meant to be removed from Pyre?

>Yes, every ancient ruins in vidya ever has to be thouroughly explained.
You do realise you're the one saying that every instance should be explained and add to the lore right? Is there a specific reason why you're sucking HGSS this hard for doing the exact opposite?

>The ruins in Unova's desert are also lore breaking because we never find out why they were built
Literally the ancient city of the heroes anon. As for Volcarona it's just a regular pokemon that took up residence there. Not a legendary pokemon that's supposed to be sealed or captured by this point.

>They weren't enraged you dingaling
They don't have to be enraged dumbass. Their ability to "control" the weather is passive when they're awakened.

>>32471253
Are you trying to imply that day and night didn't exist in the Pokemon universe until clocks were invented in gen 2?

>>32477299
>And who is this person exactly? How did they obtain these literal sacred relics never meant to be removed from Pyre?
They've been removed since the events of Gen 3. The orbs have been available in every region since.

"This person" is either Steven, or Brendan/May

>you're the one saying that every instance should be explained and add to the lore right?
I like side-quests and new locations. The lore doesn't have to be super in-depth. If they wanted to give Embedded Tower a greater backstory, they could have. They left the lore to the visuals. We know its a tower that was much like the one in Hoenn, only this one is completely destroyed and forgotten about. I don't know what more you could possibly ask for here. It was clearly just a second tower, possibly the original one.

>Is there a specific reason why you're sucking HGSS this hard for doing the exact opposite?
Firstly, I wasn't aware I was sucking off HGSS for defending one single side-quest.

Secondly, it didn't do the opposite. It did everything it needed too. Johto is a region all about culture, so they were expanding on lore a lot in HGSS. They did the same for Sinnoh with Sinjoh Ruins.

I don't know why you expected more from "lost ruins that the legendaries seem to return to". Like, what the fuck else needs to be said?

> As for Volcarona it's just a regular pokemon that took up residence there.
There is a drawing of Volcarona on the walls.

>They don't have to be enraged dumbass. Their ability to "control" the weather is passive when they're awakened.
Maybe because they were inside the tower? I don't fucking know. You're retarded if you think having abilities turned off for the battle means they broke lore though.

>>32474285
You do know the move relearner can be used to relearn egg moves the pokémon hatched with, don't you?
Unless you mean an npc to teach moves pokémon only learn through breeding, which, in that case, what would be the point of even giving egg moves to pokémon?

>>32470324
They'll probably let you breed them using the Odd Souvenir or Friend Safari bullshit.

>>32470081
Pikachu and its clones.

>>32471517
This Pokemon better be Mega Composite Arceus' true form that evolved into a literal God.

>>32474616
>>32475268
Gamefreak needs to stop introducing stuff for one pokemon to evolve.

>>32470324
Alola Safari Zone.

>>32472992
Try gen 5, when the Shadow Triad just had the Creation Trio's orbs for some reason, and then gave them to you.

>>32471313
And then people wonder why injectionfags run so rampant.

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>>32474616
>Zygarde Cells will be scattered in every single region from now on with no explanation

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>>32471313
There's two solution for that

Get a friend
Get the Pokebank. You are given BP for the pokémon you transfer there. Since it launched i havent need to grind for BP ever again

>>32470755
>Electabuzz evolves at level 42 if you have a Magmar on your team

<Magmar as well but with an Electabuzz on your team.

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>>32472693
I would actually prefer they do this. Just reboot the whole fucking thing. It's incredibly bloated and the stat system is archaic. Speed tiers, increasingly rediculous powercreep.

>mega evolutions
>alolah forms
>z-moves
>hidden abilities
>IVs
>etc

It's getting absurd. I'm not saying get rid of every pokemon, just completely revamp the series. revamp stats, types, EVERYTHING to be a little more manageable yet still fun at all skill levels.

>>32473694
>GameFreak hates QoL features
>What are infinite TMs
>What are the pokerides or whatever they are called in english
>What is an infinite bag

Seriously, just breed some random pokemon, equip them with the disks and call it a day. Item PC existed because the bag was limited, and it was a fucking hassle.

>>32471313
>have to be traded to someone trustworthy enough to give it back to you
The point of trade evolutions isn't to trade and instantly trade back, like 99.9% of people myself included do.
The intention is that you trade your Graveller for their Boldore and you happily go on your way with your new buddy Gigalith.

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>>32470450
>Every region, regardless of climate, will have a tropical island

this is just retarded enough for gamefreak to actually do it

>>32471552
ORAS Apologists are some of the most insufferable people on the planet, and I can't believe they even have the gall to call them the best games, let alone the best remakes.

>>32472950
Name one time Gamefreak has removed a form that changes its BST.

>>32470451
I use the free space for Pokemon related items

>>32479208
literally nobody does this

>>32480902
>literally nobody does this

Entirely pointless post is pointless. The post you're responding to even said the same.
>The point of trade evolutions isn't to trade and instantly trade back, like 99.9% of people myself included do.

Trade evolutions are fucking retarded as shit for exactly that reason. No one does it and no one wants to get rid of their pokemon like that.

>Completing the Pokedex
>trade to evolve and trade again to get it back
>It's a pokemon you genuinely like
>trade to evolve and trade to get it back because you actually want to use it

>>32477355
new anon
you're retarded
thanks

Many pokemon were probably worshiped by ancient civilizations, not only legendaries

>>32481248


Congratulations, you just put 2 and 2 together to explain Volcarona.

That's my entire point. You shouldn't have any trouble understanding Embedded Tower with these basic logic skills you clearly have.

>Eevee should be retconned so all of its evolutions happen via evolutionary stones!
Do you people even read pokédex entries? The whole point of Eevee it's that it is an unstable genetic anomaly whose evolutionary process can be triggered by several external stimuli. That's why it can evolve with stones, locations, time or even feelings. Making all of them work with stones would go against the whole lore of the pokémon.

Most of the other shit posted in this like the Silvally plates are indeed bullshit, but Eeveelutions have an actual reason to work the way they are besides "muh tradition".

>>32481289
The problem with this is say they decide to do an Egyptian or desert themed version
Now they need at least 3 different "climates" that would fit into this area- Three different kinds of rocks, a magnetic area, a tropical island for A-Executor, and these other areas.
You can cut out half of that waste of dev time by simply allowing all of the stones to change Eevee. Shit I don't even care if they keep the friendliness/fairy type move req. from certain evolutions, just stop making me go to a specific undisclosed area in each game it's making me have a goddamn migraine

>>32481289
But anon, everything needs to be retconned so that it's convenient for me!

Game Freak not making everything evolve at early-levels or with easily-accessible stones is just proving their incompetence!

>>32470081
They should just retcon it into stones, or just training up in any forest or snowy place.

>>32474616
>>32475268
>they feel forced to include all these items
>had no problem removing the Berserk Gene

>>32472837
lost it. kek

>>32470284
i don't know, I like the many unique ways of evolving eevee. maybe instead of making every evolution involve stones just make it less intrucive.
>gen 1 evos stay
>Espeon/Umbreon can stay but also evolve automaticly at lv 20 durring day/night
>Leafeon/Glaceon just involves by leveling in any forest or snowy area. Every game has at least one so just remove the stones.
>Sylveon depends if amie-features stay. If they do, it evolves when it levels up with 3 amie hearts, no fairy-type move requirement. If not, shiny stone

>>32481852
Especially since that ice stone is a thing now.
As well as Espeon/Umbreon to Sun/moon stones and Sylveon to shiny stone.
They have no reason not to. Who gives a fuck if it isn't consistent with the previous games?
It'd makes more sense lore-wise.

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>>32470081
Not snorlax itself, but any pokemon blocks your path and you need specific tools to get rid of em. Kecleon in rse and oras was dumb.
>Muh tradition

>>32470639
The solution is to retcon Miltank as a fairy type and say it's always been a fairy type gym all along.

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>>32483322

And 8th gym leader is missing/not in their building the first time you visit.

>>32477193
You determine it by accident. One out of 1000 people discovers something by accident, shares with friends, slowly the facts spread.

>>32477355
>They've been removed since the events of Gen 3.
They were put back by Maxie and Archie you know.

>>32483302
>Who gives a fuck if it isn't consistent with the previous games?
There's plenty of autists here that do.

We have better games than we deserve.

>>32481289
> Making all of them work with stones would go against the whole lore of the pokémon.
So Eevee worked against its own lore on the same gen it was introduced?

>>32475189
>everyone is fine with this
Not really, did you miss the shitstorm and people going out of their way with headcanon to justify fairy while never bothering to address why Dark and Steel didn't need to?

And it doesn't only happen with that. People made a big deal about Mega Evolutions as if forms weren't a thing before. Cue Gen 7 and everyone accepted mega evolutions are forms but now you have retards saying alolan forms count/should count as new pokemon.

Or Mega Evolutions somehow being the only new thing on a newer game that SHOULD have been mentioned in previous games.

>>32483322
They aren't really forced to include it though.

>>32477193
So you want an NPC in a corner of a room somewhere to say "Wow, when I breed pokemon holding a Destiny Knot... You don't need internet to know all this huh"

>>32470081
Ditto's Powder items that double its defense or speed.

>>32471253
>consistency
>in a franchise where long established abilities like Gengar's levitate were swapped out without an explanation

Good one.

>>32483363
>Giovanni was too busy being Team Rocket's Leader
>Blue was too busy waiting for a worthy challenger
>Clair is absent until you get the other badges
>Wallace was resolving the Weather Legendary Crisis, and Juan was just sitting in the Gym
>Volkner was too busy making puzzles and causing power issues for the entire fucking city because there weren't any worthy challengers
>Drayden/Iris was never absent, but Marlon was in B2W2
>Wulfric was over in Pokemon Village
>closest thing to the last Gym Leader, Hapu, wasn't Kahuna until she was given the position by Tapu Fini plenty of time after you've been around Poni Island
I never did notice, but what do you know.

>>32483302
Really makes me wonder why exactly GF is so against it

>>32471542
Just kill yourself, dumbass.

>>32484262
Because Espeon and Umbreon are the Sun and Moon Pokémon and their entire gimmick was showing off the Day/Night mechanics.

S/M even gave people the option to switch between times, but people are gonna still complain.