what went wrong

>>32438556
typing other wise the closest to all great starters

Nothing.

Just some buthurt faggot deciding now's the perfect time to try and start Starter wars.

>>32438556
Grass/Ground is not a very good defensive typing

Infernape isn't QUITE good enough unfortunately, but UU is still really good considering the fate most other starters

>>32438577

Were starter wars always this bad? This owl/bara/tranny shitposting is slowly overthrowing goodraposting

>>32438556
Ugly as fuck designs(including Empoleon) but get forgiven because they were all OU at some point in time before becoming the usual mediocre starters.

>>32438598
nu-male*

>>32438556
You created this thread because you still didn't end yourself. That's what went wrong.

>>32438556
Nothing, these 2 are probably the best picks for the entire region, now stop making genwar threads and do something productive with your sad miserable life OP

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>>32438556
Infernape's theming. He looks nothing like Wukong. He's just another ape. And because he exists, we'll never get a proper Wukong Pokemon. Besides that, Infernape is okay.
Everything but theming for Torterra. World turtle, good theme, it kind of does just justice to it with its design. Besides that, literally everything else is shit. Including its design.

>>32438556
They created perfection, Empoleon, with these two. It overshadowed the other two too much. And Torterra was shit to begin with, so it only got worse for it.

>>32438556
I like all 4 gen starters but goddamn the middle evos are all SHIT

>>32439840
this

I don't know what you're smoking to think Infernape's bad, but Torterra's a slow grass/ground type is what happened to him.

>>32438556
You forgot to put empoleon in the image

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>>32438606
>Torterra
>OU

>>32442693
>OU at some point in time
Torterra was temporarily OU before people fully realized what a shitter it was

>>32438598
Nah, it's was that cancer Ash-Greninja which opened the can of worms

>>32438606
Infernape was good.
I blame the powercreep.

>>32438556
You were born.

>>32438556
Those are the two starters of that generation that didn't go wrong.

>>32438556
>plants grow on the ground
>they literally can't live without ground
>yet there's only a single grass-ground type pokemon
Why is this allowed?

>>32438606
This. They were all ugly as fuck. The whole gen was pretty low quality design.

>>32438556
Art style wise I like them the most but I respect your opinion.

Playstyle wise they don't really have abilities, stats, or moves that stand out over other more used mons.

I just hope they get megas to 1, keep a starter mega trend going, and 2, to give them more abilities and tools that make them viable, especially torterra.

>>32438556
Just missing a water type to complete the trio, that is all.

Who was their water counterpart again...?

>>32442984
>they literally can't live without ground
Hydroponic gardens literally exist
Algae literally grows in water
Moss literally grows on trees
Lichen literally grow on rocks and snow>>32443049

>>32438556
Torterra jobbed a lot after it evolved

Infernape wasn't even used in the final league battle despite all the hype and was instantly forgotten as soon as DP ended

>>32442823
He outclassed Blaziken when it came out and then Blaziken outclassed him

And then they introduced a third Fire/Fighting starter line which was worse than both and never bothered with that type combination again

>>32438556

generation 3 and beyond is what went wrong

>Torterra
-Has all the downsides of a typical Ground type
-Grass doesn't add much in value
-Mediocre choice in abilities

>Infernape
-Loses out to some faster and more powerful Pokemon
-Otherwise if you really want to, is still completely usable

>>32442823
I remember when MixApe was one lf the scariest things you could face in OU.
Good times.

>>32438556
Gen 4, and everything afterwards went wrong.

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>>32443484
>all the memories of lead/antilead meta are coming back

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>>32443531
>anti-lead Machamp with 19 Speed IVs EVed just to survive Azelfs Psychic and KO back with Payback + Bullet Punch