Megagross suspect test

Finally,

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It wasn't banned last time and there were no Tapus back then.

It ain't going anytime soon.

Didn't it already get a suspect earlier this gen?

>>32417031
This is the most retarded post I have ever read.

>>32416944
Honestly surprised this is happening before ninja froggo.

>>32417031
The Tapus existence is a big buff for Megagross though, are you retarded?

>>32417101
That's because Greninja isn't overpowered or broken.

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>>32416944

Bitch can't do shit to me

>>32417031
Megas got buffed, genius

>>32417118
Tough Claws-boosted Grass Knot

>smogonfags cant git gud
>ban the pokemon they don't like

business as usual

>>32417101
Greninja ban makes Metagross more broken, while Meta ban ain't gonna make ninja more broken

I haven't been keeping up with 7th gen. How is it better than in 6th gen? Just the immediate speed boost? Didn't think it would make that much of a difference for Metagross.

>>32417122
I kek a little bit every time I remember Grass Knot is a contact move.

>>32417031

They explicitly state in the thread that Mega Metagross has gotten even better than it was last gen

>Mega-Metagross has been a common threat in the Overused metagame dating back to the start of generation six, even receiving a suspect during the middle of last generation. While it was not deemed broken in XY, many people believe that it has improved significantly during SM due to the new mechanics for mega evolving and the state of the current metagame. Mega-Metagross has an incredible offensive presence in the current metagame, with high attack and a plethora of viable coverage options and strong STABs. Mega-Metagross is not a one-trick-pony, either, as it has superb bulk on the physical side and respectable special bulk while wielding base 110 speed, allowing it to comfortably tank hits and outspeed a majority of the metagame despite the generational speed creep. Moreover, Mega-Metagross has shot to the forefront of the SM OU metagame and is viewed as a controversial threat for the aforementioned reasons.

>>32417122

Like a lot of Megagross will be running grass knot.

GET IT OUTTA HERE

>>32417152
That plus a handful of top threats weak to it and terrains boosting Zen Headbut and Thunder Punch.
>>32417124
XD

>>32417161
If Swampert ever became a legitimate counter, they would.

>>32417090
Nope. It got suspected last gen but didn't get banned.

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>>32417111
>tapus effectively centralize the meta
>BETTER BAN THEIR BIGGEST COUNTER

can't wait for A-Muk to get banned too.

Soon to join Deoxys bug?

>>32417167
Well good thing it won't become one since there's no point in using it over MegaGross and MegaCham.

>>32417161
HP fire gross is apparently a thing now because mega scizor completely walls it otherwise

>>32417170
Mega Metagross counters much more than just the Tapus you idiot.

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>>32416944

Leave OU and that Metagross to me!

>>32417195
t. lele

>>32417211
The true gen 6 pseudo

>>32417217
xd

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>>32417222
Are Aegislash, Volcorona, Arcanine, Lucario, Gyarados, and Milotic pseudo-pseudo legendaries?

Finally, now I can stall and keep using sneaky pebbles in my fan-made meta for shitters who can't counter a mon, oh boy!

>>32417152
Yes bro, 70 speed becoming 110 is no difference.

>>32416944
I'm glad. It'll be easier to teambuild now.

>>32417260
You can count Megagross's counters on one hand. How healthy. And you could always stall.

Is it really a good idea to do the suspect tests now instead of waiting until the rest of the mega stones get released? I mean the meta's going to change when they come out.

>>32417483

Describe what a "healthy" metagame is?

>>32417483
having few to no switch ins =/= not having counters

otherwise we might as well ban lele, mawile and medicham too

>>32417516
It's going to take a few months before all megas are released. They can't really afford to wait that long.

>>32416944
Back to normal Metagross for me, then.

>>32416944
it's over

>>32417031
Those numbers remind me of Kosovo's recognition

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He could've put an end to all this madness

THEY GAVE SPEED BOOST TO THE WRONG GEN 3 STARTER, GOD DAMN IT IM STILL MAD

>>32417637

THIS!

>>32417549
One that doesn't chokehold the game of play toward a RPS game and allows for diversity, where everything has a switch-in yet doesn't allow any one playstyle to dominate.

>>32417569
Those DO need to get suspected, but are less of a priority. In fact, people are upset at how the OU Council has been rolling out suspects. So it's not a matter of 'otherwise' but a matter of 'it's happening, but slower than desired'.

>>32417715
>In fact, people are upset at how the OU Council has been rolling out suspects.

Let me amend this to say upset at how sluggishly the OU Council has been rolling them out. The emphasis was on the how, not the what, to be clear.

>>32417170

Tapus haven't centralized OU since December, where have you been?

>>32417124

Not only that, it seems like the whiny stallfags are especially having trouble dealing with physical powerhouses like Pheromosa and Megagross, so that's what they keep suspecting.

>>32417211
when will the sweet prince come back to OU ?

>>32417773
>pheromosa giving stall any trouble

>>32417773
Why would stallfags be complaining about Pheromosa?
Z-hyper beam could break Toxapex, but then they still have M-Sableye and Clef.
Stall was by far the play style Pheromosa was the worst against. It raped HO the most.

>>32417773
Mmh I wonder where you were during the duggy suspect...

God it's such a shitty looking mega. what a wasted oppurtunity

also
>banning pokemon when there's already banned pokemon that could check it

what's the point?

>>32417870
smogon must preserve their stall meta

>>32417773
Is
>le stall boogeyman
/vp/'s equivalent of the pol boogeyman

>>32417874
Just kill yourself smugbonnie

>>32417874
>>32417773
Stall is ass this generation where have you been? Or are you a sub 1600 shitter?>>32417879
Yes

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>>32417885
if I was smugbonnie I would have already killed myself

>>32417870
I just hate how every other stage has the same uniform claws. And the back arms on this one even have those same claws. But then in the front you got random claws that look like they are made for digging holes or some shit.

>>32417894
Those are the tough claws

>>32417101
Protean Ninja needs to go
Ash Ninja can stay

Gross actually has zero switch ins, has excellent typing, and NOW gets the speed boost automatically. Sucks we'll lose a good Lele check and wallbreaker though.

>>32417930
>gross needs to go because he's too fast and hits too hard
>ash ninja is fine
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Toxapex: 160-190 (52.6 - 62.5%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

simply epin

>>32417939
Not him but

1. You need to get a kill to be able to get that forme.
2. You're using a physically defensive mon that doesn't even resist it to handle a Specs mon.

Things like SpDef Gastrodon, SpDef Toxapex, Tapu Fini, and Mantine can take it on very well, among other things.

>>32417939
>WAAAH why does my psychical wall get 2hko'd by a special move

>>32417939
>what is Tapu Fini Top 3 usage

nice cherrypicking the statement by the way, ash ninja has shit typing and shit bulk

>>32417939
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tangrowth: 160-189 (39.6 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>>32417959
>wtf metagross 2hkos my sweepers ban it

>>32417960

>Water and the most spammable offensive type in the game is shit typing

What did he mean by this?

>>32418024
>very clearly referring to the defensive aspect

fuckin idiot

>>32417972
>Wtf now I have to actually teambuild instead of using one mon to hit everything? I hate smogon now

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so hows the VGC meta going?

>>32418075
ded

>>32418029
It's almost like the defensive aspect of a mon that serves an offensive role isn't relevant

>>32417759
>Tapus haven't centralized OU since December,
Because everybody started running le healthy spider of monster mashing

>>32418075

A lot better than Smogon.

>>32418024
>resisted by steel
>most spammable
nah

the most spammable is fire, currently

>>32418120
yeah for defenses as shit as ninjas?

>>32418075
Ribombee/Oricorio lead is a real thing.

It's way more interesting than smOU

>>32418193
I mean it's gonna turn into genie spam tapu edition as soon as they lift the restrictions so what's the point

>>32416944
the problem isn't megagross, if the tapus weren't there more people would be able to use dark mons and Sucker Punch, megagross has more viability cause of tapus, grenigger is only good cause >muh protean and the huge boost of Ashfrog

>>32418193
quiver/protect memes with transform smeargle sound interesting

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>>32418181
>resisted by steel

>>32417637
>he

>>32417161
Are you retarded? People already ran it in ORAS for shit like Slowbro.

If something becomes popular so does the tools that counter them.

>>32418298
Wasn't it more for Quag

>>32418264
>It's not the Pokemon that's OP for the Meta, it's the Meta that's OP for the meta

>>32418289
I thought you were referring to fairy because fini was mentioned, my bad

also ghost is better

>>32418348
Zen headbutt already destroyed quaggy on switches unless it had protect.

Grass knot gave a lot of certainty vs quaggy and was a surefire 2hko on slowbro.

>>32417637
>he

>>32418075
70% arcanine usage rate
gee I wonder

>>32418730

>has

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>>32417211
Go away. Never come back. Ubers is your home forever. I hate you.

>>32418296
>>32418730
>87.5% male

>>32417890
lol

>>32418745
A part of me is glad that Arcanine finally gets some use, another part is sad that it became so horribly overused.
Though I'm being pretty hypocritical, considering I run one in my own current VGC team, but eh.

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>>32416944
yes ban mega scizor and Celesteela as well, once these broken pieces of shit will be gone the meta will be a lot more healthy

>>32416944
>Banning offensive mons again
what is up with showdown and forcing their meta down to being nothing but stall meta?

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>>32419502
My time to shine!

>>32419538
They'll continue doing it until they are so tired of Stall's viability that they decide to suspect test and ban Mega Sableye.
Generation VIII will be released the very next day.

>>32417260
sub mega gyarados says hi :^)

>>32419538
Metagross doesn't even come close to beating stall.

>>32419538
Hmm yet another person that wasn't there for the duggy suspect really makes you think.

>>32416944
Without Mega-Metagross who will become the premium Fairyfucker in the tier?

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>>32419644
Galeking!

>>32419644

Locomaul probably. Just watch out for Fini.

0 SpA Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Grass Knot (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 176 SpD Slowbro-Mega: 192-226 (48.7 - 57.3%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO

>>32419644
any physical poison or steel type

All the sub 1800 retards talking about how Smogon loves stall and they ban offensive mons, Pheromosa didn't do jack shit to stall it was the opposite it was dead weight against stall most matchups. Metagross does some work against stall but if you play it well and scout the moveset you can play around it. Also Dugtrio got suspect tested to weaken stall. Please if you are stupid and don't understand the metagame please don't post

>>32419997
They're going to post anyway, they can't help putting in their 2 cents when those cents are really a pair of loose buttons.

And then if you call them out individually on it, they'll find it in themselves to actually defend the stupid shit they've been saying and even insult you back or try to twist it into a matter of being baited.

>>32420017
Faggot.

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What the fuck am I supposed to use now?

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>>32419997
> sub 1_00 meme
fuck off with this shit
i can only assume a majority of people who spout this garbage have never even gotten that high on the ladder themselves
stop pretending like youre some kind of competitive pokemon prophet

if someone here on /vp/ is actually that high on the ladder please show us proof before shitting out your mouth so i can take notes and properly congratulate you for your effort

>>32419985
muk, excadril and bisharp meta here we go!

>>32420030
Decidueye. With a Choice Band, Decidueye can do Megagross levels of raw damage.

>>32416944
FUCK YES
THANK YOU JOHN SMOGON

Jesus I'm so glad none of you will actually get COIL and vote. Sometimes I forget how bad vp is at pokemon and basic logic.

>>32416944
BAN IT. I want to see more variety in the for the mega spot, especially with M-Mawile and M-Medicham being available now

>>32421446
I wouldn't be surprised if those go too, but not now, down the road.

>>32417930
I think both need to go. They're busted to hell. Actually, I think Ash-Greeninja is slightly more overpowered. Way harder to revenge kill thanks to Water Shuriken and hard to pin down thanks to U-turn.