>Speed Boost now works like Moxie and Beast Boost, requiring

>>32375114
Obviously

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>>32375114
Scolipede NU-RU
Ninjask PU

>>32375114
smogon could have just banned speed boost on it, what a bunch of fucking retards, whats the fucking problem with blaze blaziken i swear, fucking bunch of useless virgin niggers.

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>>32375114
More like UU or even RU, actually. If you really want to balance Speed Boost without making it shit, make it require landing a hit before the effect is applied. That way, the users will be encouraged to go aggro instead of simply using protect on the first turn like they always do.

>>32375179
Complex ban. Why not just allow Mewtwo with no EVs or IVs into OU?

>>32375230
I don't know, why not? Seems reasonable to me.

>>32375230
But isn't regular Greninja also twice in the tiers or was that an April Fools?

>>32375239

Regular (read: Protean) Greninja and Ash-Greninja are counted as separate Pokemon.

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>>32375239
Greninjash is considered an entirely different species. Protean Greninja might get suspected again, but Greninjash will definitely stay in OU.

>>32375114
seeing how horseshit like ashninja is still allowed, absolutely

>>32375239
Ash Greninja is effectively a different species in the game's code. There's regular 87.5% male Greninja in the Water 1 egg group with Torrent/Torrent/Protean in its ability slots, then there's 100% male Greninja in the Undiscovered egg group with Battle Bond in all 3 ability slots.

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Lol

>>32375345
Meant for>>32375306

>>32375114
yes
Also speed boost should really work like that

>>32375230
Or No spore Breloom in UU

>>32375447
we wouldn't even need the retarded baton pass complex ban if that was the case

>>32375437
I don't think you understand what he's getting at. Here's a better example.
>unaware clefable is UU
>magic guard clefable is RU
>cute charm clefable is NU
>cute charm clefable with 3 attacks is PU
>unaware clefable with no stab moves or recovery is NU
>unaware clefable with tackle as it's only move is FU
It would be total ass to tier and balance this shit and allowing blaziken without speedboost would lead to a slippery sloap that just isn't worth it.

Speed boost makes no sense on Blaziken

>>32375498
It's because sh-she's hayai!

>>32375263
>>32375273
I was talking about Protean and Torrent Greninja that were both separate from A-Greninja on the tier list but I must be mistaken then.

>>32375230
>le no complex bans
Baton pass

>>32375479
You are right

>>32375230
Because there's a shitload of complex bans already.

>inb4 it's an item/clause! not a complex ban!

It's still a complex ban.

>>32375506
>she

>>32375498
A lot of hidden abilities make no sense

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>>32375114

DON'T NERF MY YANMEGACHAN!

>>32378022

>parasect ability 2 is DRY skin
>HA is DAMP

>sableye is stall
>then HA is prankster

>durant gets truant and hustle

>>32375114
no it doesn't you gay retard

>>32378032

Don't call me gay, fucker

Fuck smogon and their bans. The only things that should be banned are obvious shit like Uber legendaries and Mega-Kang.

>b-but they're too good

Does the NBA ban Lebron James for being too good?
Does the NFL ban Antonio Brown for being too good?

>>32378031
>durant
>tru ant

>>32379311
No, but no NBA team has to face the prospect of playing against LeBron every single game of their career either. In Smogon there is that prospect, and it's proven quite real.

>>32375230
Because allowing/banning Pokémon based on what ability they're using is significantly less complex than allowing/banning them based on their EV/IV spreads. Abilities are a maximum of three variables, EV/IV spreads are several hundred variables. I don't see how they're comparable.