ITT: We make all starters OU viable

>>32355295
How do you make everything there have its own niche? You're going to trample on some toes sooner or later.

Feraligatr and Samurott are both boosting sweepers, for example.

>drop Magician for Magic Guard
>give it some nice spattack moves like tbolt, ice beam,focus blast (wizards usually use element kind of magic to attack)
>20 in hp
20 in defense

Don't know if that alone could make Delphox ou but it would make it a little better

>>32355331
I'd consider it enough of a niche as long as theres some nuance.
E.g. Feraligatr becomes a Sheer Force DDer, Samurott gets Shell Smash and becomes Water/Fighting.
They just need to not be flatly better or worse at the same job.

>>32355357
There is literally no reason to use Gatr if Samurott gets Shell Smash especially since you could use special attacks.

>>32355295
Got this idea from the 'alternate Megas' thread
Sceptile becomes Grass/Dark, has its Atk and SpAtk swapped, and gets Super Luck.

If you give it a Razor Claw/Scope Lens, its dual STABs of Night Slash and Leaf Blade will always crit.

Oh, and to get to 540 BST, give +5 in Atk and Speed.

If you're desperare for that critting coverage, add Psycho Cut and Cross Poison to its movepool.

>Meganium
>+15 HP (total 95 HP, 540 BST)
>Ability: Flower Veil
lel just kidding it's impossible to make Meganium OU but at least it's not absolute shit even in PU now

>>32355526
I think this might get it to UU.
Meganium
Grass/Fairy
Ability: Grassy Surge
Now learns Moonblast, Earth Power, Calm Mind, and Recover

HP: 80 > 100 (+20)
Attack: 82 >70 (-12)
Defense: 100 > 120 (+20)
Sp.Atk: 83 > 100 (+17)
Sp.Def: 100
Speed: 80 > 50 (-30)
Total: 525 > 540

>>32355658
Grass/Fairy Meganium doesn't make any sense it's just like the dipshits insisting on making Serperior Grass/Dragon

>>32355671
By that logic, does not make sense for Sceptile as well

>>32355903
Mega Sceptile =/= Sceptile

>>32355990
By that logic, does not make sense for Mega Sceptile as well

>>32356011
Why does it not make sense for Mega Sceptile? It's a winged lizard.

>>32356069
>winged
No anon, just no.
If was similar to tropius, then yes, but is not. Does not have this function.

>>32355295
Blastoise
>Make Mega Launcher increases all special moves, but only with a 1.3x bonus
>Slack off
>Mega Blastoise is part steel
Meganium (I tried)
>95/80/105/80/105/75
>Grass/Electric
>HA:Grassy Surge
>Gets Spore, Thunderbolt, and Sludge Bomb
Typhlosion
>No Guard
>Learn Thunder
Feraligatr
>+10 Spe
>Water/Ground
>Liquidization
>A Physical version of Earthpower
Sceptile
>+10 SpA
>HA: Multileaf (Multiscale clone)
>Quiver Dance without the SpD boost
Swampert
>Release its Mega already
>Also give it Slack Off
Torterra (Also tried)
>Grass/Rock
>95/119/110/70/106/40
>HA: Regenerator
Infernape
>Ban Fairies and Toxapex
>Iron Fist give 1.3x boost
>70/110/70/110/70/110
Empoleon
>HA: Lightning Rod
>+10 SpA
>Pretty much Marowak-A 2.0
Emboar (I tried again)
>-3 SpA, +15 Spe
>Reckless does 1.5x and reduces all recoil to 1/5th recoil
>Submission now has 120 power with 100% accuracy
Samurott
>80/117/75/98/70/80
>HA: Sheer Force
>Learns Shell Smash
Chesnaught (I have no clue honestly ironically. It has everything that fits it and changing one thing will ruin another or just changes the meta too much)
Delphox
>+6 Spe
>HA: Psychic Surge
Decidueye
>Leech Seed
>HA: Sneaky Status: When the opponent has an immunity to a status or move effect, the user ignores it (So Spirit Shackle traps Ghosts, Leech Seed can hit Grass, and Toxic can hit Poison/Steel types)
>+5 Def/SpD
Incineroar
>85/115/80/70/80/100
>Gets more Dark moves
Primarina
>Physically remove Tapu Fini
>+10 Def

>>32356203
>Sheer Force Water/Ground Feraligatr with physical Earth Power
That sounds horrifying. I fucking love it.

Give Swampert recovery and release Swampertite.

Typhlosion
Fire/Ground
Ability: Sheer Force
78
84 > 75 (-9)
78
109 > 119 (+10)
85
100 > 105 (+5)

Now learns Earth Power, Energy Ball, and (maybe) Thunderbolt (fits the 'natural disaster' thing)

>>32356203
Frankly, anon, Spore alone would be enough to boost Meganium to OU. Anything else would be overkill.

>>32356203
Feraligatr already gets eq. How would giving it a physical earth power help?

I guess you could move some of Emboar's special attack into bulk or speed and give it Mach Punch. And maybe give it Drain Punch, I dunno.

>>32355390
>zubat used leech life!

>>32357012
sheer force

>>32356203
>physically remove Tapu Fini
but it already has a different role from Primarina

>>32357012
sheer force fucktard

>>32356686
>fits the natural disaster thing
what

Blastoise
>Origin Pulse or a pulse move similar
>Shell Smash
Typhlosion
>Drought
> -5 defense +5 Speed
Feraligatr
>+8 Spe -8 Sp atk
>A sheer force fighting type move with 90 base power 100% accuracy
>A sheer version of Aqua Jet
Sceptile
>Release Mega stone. In the current meta I think it can be ou
Swampert
>+5 attack.
>Drain Punch
>Sap Sipper
Torterra
>+9 Spe +10 Atk
>HA: Thick Fat
>Synthesis no longer has reduced healing in Rain and Sand
Empoleon
>HA: Competitive
>+5 speed
>Brave bird
Emboar
>Reckless does 1.3x and reduces recoil taken by half
>Submission now has 120 power and 100 accuracy
>Slack off
Incineroar
>Sucker punch
Now for the hard ones
Meganium (Damn Gamefreak why is it so bad) Most of Meganium pokedex entry describe it healing grass type Pokémon. So I gave ability to be a good support Pokémon in doubles and decent in single.
>Grass
>HA:Grassy surge
>Gets sleep powder, helping hand, and Rototiller
>Rototiller now increases every stat by 1 in grass terrain(basically an ancient power boost)
>Synthesis no longer has reduced healing in the rain in sand
Samurott
HA:New ability Quick draw:All slashing based moves have +1 priority
>Razor Shell buff to 85 base power
>Secret Sword and Sacred sword

>>32356203
>>32357315
Fucking terrible.

All right... I got this. I'll break this up into a generation or two per post, and tripfag to do each one proper justice because that's the exact kind of autistic shitlord I am.

Venusaur:
+10 HP, +5 Special Attack
"New" Ability 2: Chlorophyll (demoted from Hidden)
New Hidden Ability: Poison Heal (with the tweak that it suppresses the user's natural immunities to poison)
New Egg Move: Aromatherapy (from Oddish-line or Chikorita-line)

Makes Venusaur better at what it already does, and gives it a new playstyle as a monstrous Poison Heal wall. (As an aside, yes I would give this new Poison Heal to more Poison-types than just Venusaur, but this just concerns the starters.)

Charizard:
-3 Defense, +9 Speed
Removed Hidden Ability: Solar Power (was it really used over Blaze?)
New Ability 2: Flame Body
New Hidden Ability: Flare Boost (with the tweak that it allows the user to ignore its own type-based immunity to Burn)
New Egg Move: Fire Lash (from Ekans/Arbok/Seviper, who gets it from Heatmor)

I know, I'm spoiling Charizard, with both in-game utility and power outside of its Megas... but hasn't Game Freak already set that precedent by making it the only non-legend Pokemon with 2 Mega forms? As with Poison Heal, Flare Boost is an ability that I want to see on Fire-types, so that's why I tweaked it the way I did.

Blastoise:
+10 speed
"New" Ability 2: Rain Dish (demoted from Hidden)
New Hidden Ability: Shell Armor
New Egg Move: Slack Off
New Egg Move: Octazooka
New Egg Move: Mud Bomb
Mechanics Tweak: Octazooka, Focus Blast, and Mud Bomb are considered "pulse" moves.

Don't you think I forgot about Blastoise, though. I gave the turtle some diversity in his Mega coverage, as well as a HUGE power boost! I also gave him access to reliable recovery; something he's been aching for since Gen 1. With it, he has defensive options to go with his new offensive options.

1 set down, 6 to go. I might do Johto tonight, but the rest I'll save for tomorrow. What do you all think so far?

Minor update: not doing the Johto starters right now, too tired. See you all tomorrow!

>>32357592
>Mechanics Tweak: Octazooka, Focus Blast, and Mud Bomb are considered "pulse" moves.

They are already bomb moves.

>>32355671
You are retard?

>>32356203
You know what, I'll be damned. Meganium is now able to easily check Metagross and force it out.
>252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Meganium95/105: 162-192 (41.1 - 48.7%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery and Grassy Terrain recovery
That's gotta be something

>>32355295
You can literally just swap Typhlosion's attack and special attack stats to make it viable

>Samurott
make it part fighting, and give it Shell Smash.

>Delphox
Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Aura Sphere, Energy Ball, Scald, Hurricane, Night Daze, Discharge, Lava Plume, Earth Power, Final Gambit, Flash Cannon, Giga Drain, Power Gem, Delphox is a wizard, it should have a very extensive special movepool

>>32357012
Sheer Force would make it stronger.
100xLife Orb=130
90xLife OrbxSheer Force=152

>>32355671
Your existence doesnt make sense

>>32355903
>>32355990
>>32356011
>>32356069
Sceptile is in the dragon egg group you fucking mongs

>>32356203
Decidueye
>Leech Seed
>HA: Sneaky Status: When the opponent has an immunity to a status or move effect, the user ignores it (So Spirit Shackle traps Ghosts, Leech Seed can hit Grass, and Toxic can hit Poison/Steel types)
>+5 Def/SpD
Incineroar
>85/115/80/70/80/100
>Gets more Dark moves
Primarina
>Physically remove Tapu Fini
>+10 Def

HMM
I WONDER WHAT YOUR FAVORITE STARTER IS

>>32358679
Decidueye's HA is OP and bullshit