Pokemon drawn in different art styles

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>>32352646

Proof that newer gens have nicer designs. Old ones are way too detailed.

>>32352677
Realism is the objective standard of art, though. If you like cartoony garbage like the current artstyle, you have objectively shit taste.

>>32352690
>Realism is the objective standard of art

Completely false. It depends on what you're trying to convey.

>>32352677
>>32352690
/thread/

>>32352698
>both statements contradict each other
Which one is it? That's not how /thread works, you fucking newfag.

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>>32352690
Oooh yeah are you implying that you don't fap everyday looking at cartoonish (anime-ish) girls or boys (more probably). Huh!?

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Persian as a proper evolution to Meowth

>>32352726
Anime girls still have "realistic" bodies. The most unrealistic part is the face. And it just removes the bad parts, while exaggerating the good ones, objectively improving them. Noses are ugly. They move them. Eyes matter more, they're made bigger.

>>32352762
It's also a big reason why anime is given higher regard compared to regular cartoons. Because the style is just objectively better.

>>32352798
>anime is given higher regard compared to regular cartoons

This is completely false, and anime are regular cartoons.

Being made in Japan doesn't change the fact that they're cartoons.

And for animation, art style matters a lot less than, well, the animation.

>>32352690
lol realistic art has been completely without merit since the 19th century and the advent of the photograph.

There is no point in trying to create an image close to reality. You will never be closer than a photograph is. Abstraction is the only valid path of expression in the modern era.

>>32352835
alright then go give me a photograph of a pikachu

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>>32352835
Not him but hyper abstraction has killed painting and architecture.

Photorealism is overrated but high levels of abstraction should be avoided like the fucking plague.

>>32352813
Cartoon is what people call animation and drawing with ridiculous or exaggerated feature for comedic effects. Like huge heads, small hands, talking animals and such. Your statement is just wrong.

And yes, anime is seen more positively than cartoon, with more people watching them even after growing up. Because it's not all about comedy, and more relatable for everyone, even adults. The art style is more realistic and humans are more proportionate to put emphasis on that, to make it more relatable. The anime that made anime popular and gave its own identity as a separate thing from cartoons, Gundam, was a war story. Both might be the same in that they're both animations, but that's anime is not inherently just Japanese equivalent of cartoon.

>>32352857
>togekiss is a owl
disgusting

>>32352881
>a owl
Disgusting.

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>>32352881
Fuck I thought that was rowlet or some shit. I fucking despise ones that rape pokemon designs in order to make them look like unrelated regular animals.

Pidge and Staraptor look fucking dope though so it doesn't matter.

>>32352646
All great except gen7 crabrawler which fuckin sucks.

>>32352650
all fine

>>32352907
Pidgey and staraptor and noctowl are just regular-ass birds though.

Skarmory and togekiss look like shit.

>>32352868
>Cartoon is what people call animation and drawing with ridiculous or exaggerated feature for comedic effects. Like huge heads, small hands, talking animals and such

There's Japanese animation that fits this description, such as this very franchise's anime.

>The art style is more realistic and humans are more proportionate to put emphasis on that, to make it more relatable. The anime that made anime popular and gave its own identity as a separate thing from cartoons, Gundam, was a war story

And there's western animation that fits this description.

And early anime was heavy influenced by Disney cartoons.

They're not different things, they're two different culture's takes on the same thing.

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>>32352917
They're regular birds in game too.

Maybe /vp/ should learn the meaning of and how to be objective before declaring the art they like is the best if you think that way. Because that's not how objective thinking works. But considering a shit taken while playing platinum is the closest most of this place has come to making art, I guess it makes sense.

>"photo-realistic" pokemon
>all the ghosts are bugs

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>>32352951
That makes me want to kill myself. Thankfully it's only one really shitty artist.

>>32352927
Holy shit Swellow. Is he the biggest cuck out of all the starter birds?

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How to draw "realistic" Pokemon correctly

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>>32352919
>There's Japanese animation that fits this description, such as this very franchise's anime.
No, no it doesn't. The Pokemon themselves might be cartoony, but the humans aren't.

>And there's western animation that fits this description.
Yes, there is. And calling them cartoon would be wrong. Because they're not. They're animations. Yes, animation is a word. A thing you can use to describe moving images. Cartoon or anime aren't the only two words used for this.

>And early anime was heavy influenced by Disney cartoons
Yes. It was. And early anime was called cartoon or "Japanimation" in some cases. That's changed now. Almost all anime before Gundam was aimed at kids and was full of FUN WACKY ADVENTURES!!!, like cartoon. That changed. So did the word used to describe that.

>They're not different things, they're two different culture's takes on the same thing.
No, they're completely different things. Cartoon is an artstyle. Anime is a medium, one that encompasses all sorts of artstyles, including cartoon artstyle. They're not even close to being the same thing. Pic related is a cartoon. It's part of the anime medium, but the artstyle is cartoony. Both are not even close to being the same thing.

>>32352646
Oh what could have been...

When will anti-gewunners stop getting absolutely BTFO?

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>>32352713
thats the point
its just going to be the argument between the two for the entire fucking thread.

>>32353018

You're absolutely retarded. Anime is just the Japanese term for animation. You realize all cartoons, even western ones, are called anime in Japan, right?

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Crabrawler and Krabby both have very cartoony and stylized designs.

Pic related is the only crab Pokemon that remotely resembles a real crab aside from the pincers.

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Anime is a specific artstyle. Japanese Cartoons are only "Anime" if they've got said artstyle and tropes. Pokémon has always been "anime".

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>>32352762
>Noses are ugly.

DELET THIS

>>32353074
You realize that the Japanese also use the word Cartoon to describe cartoons, right? It is treated as an artstyle, even in Japan.

And the fuck does what Japan calls it have to do with anything? Words change meaning depending. The word Romance isn't an English word. In French, it was used to describe stories of Heroic Knights who fought dragons and shit. It's used by English speaks to mean lovey-dovey shit. The original meaning of Romance hasn't been lost. It's still used to describe exciting adventures and shit like that in many places on Earth. It just adapted a different meaning in a different place. The same happened with anime. it means different things, even in Japan. Normies in Japan call every animation "anime", but those who work with or consume anime in Japan refer only Japanese animation as anime.

I hate this fucking misconception that everyone in Japan calls every animation anime. They don't. Only normies do. And normie in west call everything cartoon. Does that matter? No. Cartoon is used to describe exaggerated or unrealistic artstyle. Anime is used to describe all animation produced in Japan specifically. Anime can be cartoon, but all anime isn't cartoon. Animation can be cartoony, but all animation isn't cartoony. Learn the fucking difference.

>>32352762
>>32352798
LMAO

>>32353157

>Cartoon is used to describe exaggerated or unrealistic artstyle.

So anime people with their gigantic eyes, non-existing noses and wild rainbow hair aren't exaggerated and unrealistic? 90% of anime are cartoon style then?

>>32353011
>good realistic pokemon
>what it would look like if it were a real creature

>bad realistic pokemon
>forcing a pokemon's design elements onto actual animals

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>>32352762
>Anime girls still have "realistic" bodies.

>>32353127
Kek this looks so gross.

>>32353238
If only that were true. I wish I had an anime body

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>>32353206
"Most anime" might not be photorealistic, but it's still realistic enough to not be cartoon. It's in the middle, by having realistically proportionate body and realistic movement, but not completely realistic facial features. And a lot more of anime actually does have normal sized eyes and noses. If, by your definition, anime is just cartoon, that means all those more realistic ones are lumped together with cartoony ones. In pic related, for example, even if the left one is missing a nose, these still look far more human than the one on right does. The right has exaggerated everything to be comedic, simplifying all details. The left has just changed a few details.

Relative to what normal cartoons look like, it is still more realistic. Though calling it "realistic" would be wrong, but so would be calling it a cartoon. That is why a lot of people use the word "anime" to refer to an artstyle, one that is neither cartoony nor realistic.

>>32353288

So what are The Last Airbender/Korra then? Anime? Is Archer not a cartoon because it's semi-realistic?

There are a lot of western cartoons that don't fit what you call cartoon style, what do we call them then?

>>32353288
yea
all anime is trash

>>32353330
Animation? The Batman show from 1990s wasn't called Batman: The Cartoon, even if the artstyle was somewhat exaggerated. It didn't make it out to be comedic. It was called Batman: The Animated Series. For a good reason. Because it wasn't a cartoon.

You can call Avatar an anime, it would be still wrong by widely accepted meaning of the term, but it would still be more accurate than calling it a cartoon. Because while it does have an "anime artstyle", it doesn't have a cartoony artstyle.

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Pokémon uses an anime style since the beginning. The shading, the thin lineart... It's only adapting to the new anime standards, more brightness and cuter. That's it.

>>32352881
>>32352883
>implying owls are birds

I'm not sure if even the Pokemon with cartoony features can be called cartoons. They're fictional creatures. They're not animals. They have no standards they need to meet. Incineroar isn't a tiger. No matter how disproportionate his entire body might be, it won't be cartoony, because it doesn't have any standard it needs to meet.

>>32353353

The only requirement for an animation to be a cartoon is the exaggeration of reality, which most if not all animated series do. Unless you want to tell me Batman is a realistic depiction of anything, then it's a cartoon.

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pokemon games need to get real

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>>32353021
>>32352646
>>32352650
Holy shit, yes. Who is the artist who did genwun Crabrawler?

>>32353456

This, it doesn't have to be a humorous exaggeration to be an exaggeration. You can exaggerate things in a dark or brutal manner as well.

>>32352762
t. anime pro

Anime is an overly simplified style that focuses more on motion than detail, the "cute" features are exaggerated for marketing purposes, not realism

>>32352857
>that skarmory
I fucking hate people that do this shit.
It's meant to be a bird made of steel, not a regular ass bird.

>>32353523
yeah, i remember yesterday when i was coming back home and a bird made of steel caused a car accident after throwing rocks at the road

>>32352650
pikipidgey looks like the same

>>32353503
>A simple drawing showing the features of its subjects in a humorously exaggerated way, especially a satirical one in a newspaper or magazine
This is the dictionary definition of cartoon.

>>32353238
t. landwhale

>>32353057
makes zero sense
preemptive /thread

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Posting a classic

>>32353129
Don't prove anon' s point, noseposter

>>32353579

You ignored the 2nd definition
>a motion picture using animation techniques to photograph a sequence of drawings rather than real people or objects.

>>32353744
Yes, it says cartoon is a type of animation. Your point?

>>32353383
This. The real difference is that Gen I uses the 90's anime style and now it's a more modern style.

>>32353754

The point is that any sequence of drawings is a cartoon. It doesn't have to be humorous.

>>32353772
How did you even get that? The first definition clearly says that cartoon is "a simple drawing showing the features of its subjects in a humorously exaggerated way". The second description adds that it can also be in animation form, not just on newspaper or magazines. That's all the second description adds. The second description mentioning it can be any drawing. So where did you get that?

>>32353789
>I don't see the second description mentioning it can be any drawing
The first three words of that sentence disappeared, for some reason.

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>>32352646

>>32353789

Except the definitions are separate entries. Do you not know how dictionaries work?

>>32353810
Even then it doesn't mention that it can be any type of drawing. You're still getting that out of nothing.

>>32353823

It simply says a "sequence of drawings". It doesn't specify the drawings have to be humorous either.

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>people are still arguing that all drawing and all animation are cartoon

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>>32352646
realistic that isn't full deviantart edgelord is nice

>>32353000
FUCK YOU DORK

Gen 1 & 2 > Everything else
Fact!

>>32353840
>People post peepee in
>>2017

I came for creatively styled Pokemon drawings

All I got was shitty arguments about what counts as a cartoon because some dunce said all Pokemon should be visually the same

>>32353501
What a gay post, it says Muk has "Complex linework" I hate Goodra but it's more creative than Muk. They picked the cartooniest examples, too. Garbage. Plus Liepard is more detailed than Persian and Eevee and Fennekin are equally detailed

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>>32354277
>liepard is more detailed that persian
>eevee and fennekin are equally detailed
this delusion

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>>32352857
>>32352881
Togekiss' body shape is just real weird in the first place. I think pic related is about the closest you can get to a realistic one.

>>32354085
But gen 2 is objectively the worst designed generation of Pokemon.

And the second worst from a gameplay standpoint.

>>32354348
Anon, to him details are random shit slapped on Pokemon. Because Liepard has random patterns on it, it is therefore more detailed than a pure white Persian. Because both Fennekin and Eevee have almost the same amount of shit slapped on them, they are therefore detailed the same.

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>>32354374

It's almost like it's based on a leopard, which have spots all over their bodies.

>>32354407
Yes, and that makes it more detailed than Persian.

>>32353288
>"Most anime" might not be photorealistic, but it's still realistic enough to not be cartoon.
what the fuck am i reading
anime = cartoon. doesn't matter how realistic the art is.

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ITT: pic related

>>32352762
>complains about non realistic art
>likes unrealisticly big anime eyes
Pick one

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i did a few of these

here is gen1 barbaracle

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and gen1 nosepass

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>mfw I would have played a lot more with these nu-pokemon if only they used the original art style

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>>32352650
Like, I'm not even a genwunner but this picture perfectly demonstrates the main problem with new Pokemon designs. Everything has an oversized head for forced cuteness, oversized kawaii anime eyes, bodies consist mainly just of simple lines with no realistic details such as fur or feathers, legs and beaks are just stubs and yet again lack details and so on. The new designs are something a seven-year-old girl would scribble on her notebook when she wants to draw cute little animals.

>>32355108
I don't like it. The head-feet and head-hands don't look appealing to me at all.

>>32355115
I like this one, though.

By the way, can you do a genwun Klink?

>>32355228
Isn't that the point of the new designs?

>>32354373
Fuck off

>>32354373
>But gen 2 is objectively the worst designed generation of Pokemon.
70% only. Don't take it so hard.

>And the second worst from a gameplay standpoint.
After GenIV, yes.

>>32355115
looks like tyler1

Main difference between Gen 1-2 and today is general anime updates in artstyle.

Everything in Gen 1-2 looked liked Toriyama drawings because everything at the time did and bc Sugimori essentially copied a lot of his style.

Since then anime in general has become more stylized.

>>32353540
That's the point, shitdick. They are POKEMON not regular fucking animals. Skarmory is a Skarmory. A BIRDLIKE creature made of steel. It is not a fucking bird. That's why all the so called "realistic" pokemon drawings are so fucking stupid.
>HURR DURR ELDRITCH LEGENDARIES
>ABORTED FETUS MEW
Fuck off

>>32352650
>>32352646
I agree that the art styles have changed, but these are disgustingly ugly and inaccurate.

>>32355027
>that pic
>that filename
I recognize this autism

ITT: faggots arguing over semantics of definitions because they don't want to feel like bitch-ass children for watching cartoons.

>>32355364
t. underage
>>32355378
>70% only. Don't take it so hard.
70% is still a bigger percentage of bad designs than any other gen. Sure, there are some gems. Every gen has gems.

>After GenIV, yes.
Nice to see there's someone on this board who isn't wearing training pants and can evaluate games objectively.

>>32352694
Wrong, faggot. When artists start practicing to get better, their art is judged by how well they portray reality.

>>32355108
>gen 1 barbaracle
it's not even a fucking barnacle

what's even the point

>>32356393
lol

>>32356393
Surprisingly stupid

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Post more Digimon style.

>>32353808
this isn't an improvement

>>32356693Salazle should be a woman in lizard costume by Digimon means.

>>32355758
You're the kind of fool who bullies fanartists for drawing thin.

>>32354357
It doesn't really look like a dove, but it fits thematically.

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>>32357147
pic related

>>32352646
>left: dogshit babby's first play-doh artwork style
>right: supercool artwork style fit for the pokemon series

the question just is if little kids enjoy left style more than right. I think this is why they do this and why our stupid neckbeard (d)weeb opinions don't matter.

>>32352733
Fuck I forgot how shitty of a design alolan Persian is. Can we agree that it's the worst design? It's head looks literally flat

>>32352762
>anime girls are an objective improvement over real girls
Jesus this board is autistic

>>32356513
>>32356551
>m-my art isnt shit, it's just a style...you dont understand...

Lol

>>32352646
I like them both swapped desu

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>>32353501
>>32354348
>>32355027
>>32356393
>>32358666
Leave, please