ITT: Send your Pokemon to Ubers

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coil

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Draco Meteor

>>32318926
>non-stab dragon
its shit
giving it overheat on the other hand

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>>32318884
swap super power with close combat
>>32318939
you're right

>>32318939
make a Rock-type version of Draco Meteor (Meteor Shower?) and give it that. every single weakness covered

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Wait half a year

>>32319138
lol

>>32319136
>Toxicroak used Gunk Shot

>>32318884
Switch Power Whip with a 100/100 Steel move and you're right. Alternatively, give it Earthquake or Dragon Dance.

>>32319162
shit, forgot about poison. does cover flying/fire/ice/bug weaknesses tho

>>32319162
>Toxicroak
>ever seen in OU

o i am laffin
>inb4 people would use it if serperior got more coverage!!!

Nobody would run such a heavy liability just to stop a single pokemon that wouldn't even be
close to the best in the tier.

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>>32319162
>Toxicroak

>>32318891
>Implying you could pass that and speed

Unless you mean standalone, in which case swords dance is better.

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>>32318939

>mfw Leaf Storm/Overheat/Dragon Pulse/HP Ground Serperior

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>>32319196
>MFW Leaf Storm/Overheat/Draco Meteor/HP Ground Serperior

Might as well go all the way and give it earth power, too.

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...

>>32319171
>>32319181

Tbqh first thing I could think of that has poison stab and resists both grass and rocks. Didn't even consider viability.

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>>32319138

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Strength Sap

>>32319184
>playing with fanfiction rules

>>32319276
Double Team Simple Bibarel user detected!

>>32319221
>access to dragon dance

>Toxapex learns Spikes
>Zygarde learns Geomancy
>Victini gets Contrary
>Kyurem-Black gets Dragon Dance and Ice Punch
>Celesteela gets Roost
>Garchomp gets Dragon Dance
>Nihilego gets Flamethrower

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boomburst

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+40 Speed
+50 Special Atk
+10 Special Def

>>32319276
>thread about said fanfiction rules
>surprised when someone mentions them

>>32319293
Yes, that's the joke

>>32318926
Doesn't let it kill Heatran or Ferrothorn. Needs OVerheat or Earth Power.

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>>32319322
>Zygarde
>Geomancy

Why Zygarde? It's a physical attacker, cutting off its access to thousand memes is no good. Give it to Greninja or Tapu Lele or some shit if you want ubers material.

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>>32318884
>learns drain punch

>>32319423
>Learns immunity to fairy or gunk shot
>Learns how to move 40 points from Sp. Atk into Speed

>>32319420
Geomancy would only make sense on Zygarde out of all Pokemon other than Xerneas
Otherwise just give Volcarona Magic Guard or something

>>32319461
It could make sense on Regigigas
it wouldn't actually help him in any way but it would make sense

Aerilate Noivern.

>>32319423
Close combat would push it to UU

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>>32318884
Scald

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>>32318884
>Kartana gets a Complete Forme

>>32318884
Power Whip would barely help Kartana.

Giving it something like EQ or agility would help it much more.

>>32318884
not even close
>>32318891
won't make it any better
>>32318926
nah but we're getting somewhere
>>32318939
honestly just giving it a move or 2 won't send it to ubers, it'll just be high OU
>>32318945
still won't even get to OU
>>32319138
HMMMMM
>>32319221
>>32319293
I don't see DD pushing it over the edge, but it's possible
>>32319268
never ever
>>32319322
a slightly better support move wouldnt push tox into ubers
geomancy literally does zyggy no good whatsoever
contrary victini I could see
kyu-b bout the same, its possible
idk how roost would go for celesteela. obviously it'd be better, but I really don't see it being ubers material. It still dies to the same things, and opens up mons to smack it with an EQ every once in a while
nihilego wouldn't go ubers with flamethrower tho
>>32319328
WOOO
>>32319346
>159 spatk
>149 speed
>thinking GF would ever be this nice to your bro
It's nice to dream, isn't it anon?
>>32319423
this is laughable
>>32319781
alright, fuck you for having this idea in the first place, but you're probably right. at the very least it'd be suspected

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>>32319461
Really? Thematically, it'd make far more sense on Diancie than Zygarde.

>>32320246
I think it'd make sense on either one, both have "earthly" elements to them. However one would clearly have much more of a use for it then the other
>tfw can't carry power herb on mega diance

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>>32320294
I could see Geomancy being an event move on Zygarde along with Oblivion Wing as an XY lover thing. Not to mention it's actually be able to use its Signature Core Enforcer.
>tfw Z-Geomancy on Zygarde Complete

>>32320351
complete would be the only way for it to use it, and even then it'd be pretty mediocre I feel.
Oblivion wing on the other hand, that's something we can start talking about. It'd make sense on complete but 10/50% would be hilarious

>>32320246
>event Darkrai gets Dialga and Palkia sig moves
>event Victini gets Reshiram and Zekrom sig moves
>event Diancie gets ???

>>32320425
Geomancy and core enforcer :^)))

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>HA is immunity against flying type attacks and halving the damage of special attacks

>>32318939
>non-stab
doesn't matter when your special attack is at 1000

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>>32320574

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Destiny Bond/Recycle

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Gunk Shot once more. Or a Z-Move that allow it to synchro at will

>>32320657
sturdy

>>32320657
>>32320672
>still dies to any hazard or damage status
nah
>>32320671
or ya know, what >>32319138 said

>>32320672
Woah there buddy I didn't say shoot for AG

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>Play Rough and Elemental Punches
>Raise the Attack
>Give both of them No Guard for HA instead of just Midnight
>Rock/Fighting

Thoughts?

>B-but Rock/Dark
Midnight doesn't need a quad weakness at all

>>32320692
No guard really isn't all that great with just stone edge and play rough. I guess it gives it a little more viability, but they'd also need decent fighting STAB, maybe high jump kick or something to get more use out of no guard. Honestly I think giving them STAB edgequake would be better for them than fighting, gives them a niche as a fast (and a mediocre speed) mon with that STAB combo. Rock/Fight would just make it a slightly faster, but otherwise worse, terrakion, depending on how much atk you give it I guess.

Either way all this still wouldn't be enough to make them ubers, Maybe OU for day form, but with the night form's speed and honestly all its other god-awful stats, other than its passable atk, it'll never even reach OU

These guys are in need of a really unique gimmick/niche if you aren't going to completely overhaul them

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Learns Electrify

Swamp/mega swamp learns sap sipper and dragon dance
Zero weaknesses and it covers the loss of speed from scrapping swift swim. Don't know if it would be ubers, but it would be better than it is now.

>>32320771
this combo is utterly broken in singles. Not 100% sure but I think it'd just absorb any move aimed at it. Only thing stopping it would be to set up, but then again, you can just wait for it to be done setting up and then electrify them again. Only issue here is that it's a stalemate unless you can KO them before they KO you. Probably banned tho due to not really having an answer to it.

>>32320783
>le no weaknesses meme
without reliable recovery this isn't as good as it sounds. Also it'd still technically be x4 weak to freeze dry. Luckily you don't see that around as often anymore. Honestly tho, a bulky DD/rest set would be pretty damn good. But you're probably right not ubers material

>>32320828
Ice Shard, or a pokemon faster then Mega Sceptile, most of which are actually good counters against it. Ninjask, Pheromsa, Mega Alakazam and Aerodacyl are all faster then Mega Sceptile. Mega Beedril and Accelgor would also tie against it.

So, 2/4 bugs, a flying type and a super attacker who could handle it.

>>32320869
I thought electrify had increased priority. Still that's a pretty short list, especially as how pheromosa is ubers now, and only mega zam is ever used in OU. It'd be too limiting of a mon and everyone would bitch about it, which usually leads to a ban

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>Dark Void

>>32320901
Indeed. With that move, speed is what truly matters.

>>32319268
Mate at least try. Here allow me, cosmic power. Just keep in mind literally nothing short of taunt can stop it setting up and it does have baton pass.

>>32320583
dragon is a pretty garbage attacking type if it's not stab

>>32320246
Diancie having a mega complicates things for the opponent. They won't know how or even if it will set up which gives you more opportunities

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>>32318884
calm mind

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Brave Bird

>>32321038
LMAO NO
>>32321071
no

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>>32318884
Tail Glow

Makes more sense than it does on Xurkitree.

>>32321081
christmas tree bros with shiny tails. nice. don't think it'd be ubers material but the mega sure would get a good damn boost

>>32320657
Endeavor Shedinja

>>32321071
Yeah, no that'd do it
>>32321100
Even then I don't think it'd do it, and that's a guaranteed KO with Focus Sash and shadow sneak. Shedninja is just not made for Ubers

>>32321109
>what is z-fly
I really don't see it happening
also, nothing is ever going to make shedinja ubers
1 hp is sub-PU trash, regardless of what you give it, short of somethign that makes it immune to hazards and status

>>32321081
Not as good as >>32320771 But probably less broken.

>>32321154
>what is z-fly
A one pp attack that requires its own hold item

>>32321190
that's better than brave bird and shreds anything that brave bird would as well, but harder. No you can't spam it, but its a taste of what brave bird would be. It's made him better, sure, but it hasn't pushed him over the edge, and I don't see brave bird doing it either. It'd make him better than he is, but it'd also hurt his survivability. The meta is so used to him at this point, he needs all the bulk he can get to stay alive if he can't kill everything in one go. His speed is poor, his x4 weakness is common and specifically chosen because of him, I just don't see it

>>32321214
What Brave Bird would do is give its targets even less opportunity to force it out. This is a 120 BP STAB Flying attack off of a completely stable Pokemon with 145 attack.

>that's better than brave bird and shreds anything that brave bird would as well, but harder.
Z-Brave Bird is completely superior to Z-Fly, if Flyinium Z is a must have

>>32318884
Still won't stop Grass from being a horrible offensive type. It probably won't help much as it is still depends on coverage moves since so many pokemon 4x resist grass.

>>32321287
if it had access to brave bird, it probably wouldn't need to use z-brave bird, it only uses z-fly for a reliable flying stab option

that being said, it would be great on it, obviously, but to say it'd push it to ubers is a stretch. if you wanna do that, give it roost.
hell, OP didn't say anything about changing only 1 thing, give it both, that's sure to do it

>>32320929
>50% acc
yeah no

>>32321325
>hell, OP didn't say anything about changing only 1 thing, give it both, that's sure to do it
Lets throw on Thousand Arrows while we're at it. Now it has 0 reliable defensive answers

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>Technician

>>32321340
give the real ubers a run for their money. I like it
>>32321339
not that guy, but I totally forgot they did this. Even if it was 100% acc it still would barely be better than it is now tho

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Head Smash and Brave Bird.
If it's enough to get it banned from STABmons, it's enough to get it banned from OU.
Giving Kartana access to every Grass and Steel move would get it banned as well, though with Spore and Shift Gear to work with alongside actually powerful STABs that shouldn't be a surprise.
>>32319420
Not that anon, but giving Zygarde access to Xerneas and Yveltal's signature moves always seemed like a neat idea. It would also give Zygarde a viable Special set with Geomancy, Core Enforcer (remember that?), Earth Power, and Sludge Wave. This adds an element of unpredictability to Zygarde, limiting your sure-fire answers to Unaware Clefable. I'm looking at calcs, most of the other things in OU that would be able to stop it after a Geomancy would lose to regular Physical variants. Zygarde's base Special Attack isn't even 20 points lower than its base Physical Attack, after all.

>>32321397
What moves would get the boost besides ice shard?

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>Dugtrio used Spore.

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>ability changed to tough claws

>>32321397
>techncian
>not tough claws

>>32322157
>tough claws
>not Hugest Power

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Shell Smash

>>32322160
yes but that's cheating, that'd work for like any pokemon that's currently in OU or UU

>>32322081
fake out

>>32319293
More like invent a time machine and go back to gen 4

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>>32318884
>is an offensive mon

>>32318884
Still has fuck all for coverage and milion x4 resists for its main STAB. Jesus Christ /vp/ at least try.

Most of the suggestions in this thread are garbage desu. The only ones I can see pushing stuff over the edge are
>>32319328
>>32319781
>>32320671
>>32320771
>>32321071
>>32321470

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>>32319221
>>32319293

H-hello. Can I get that Dragon Dance?

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Just give it Shell Smash

>>32322219
Would be pretty neat but I don't think it would be Ubers.

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I fucking hate it but I wanna know, what the fuck would send this piece of shit to Ubers? Are there any redeeming qualities to this that can be built upon?

>>32322345
Fucking this

>>32324231
It's a heel, right? Give it an ability that auto-Taunts all opposing Pokemon, for starters, then work on its movepool. Sucker Punch, Knock Off, Slack Off, and Sacred Fire might be enough to push it all the way over the edge.

>>32322345
>>32324233
Add Origin Pulse (testing shows that it does get boosted by Mega Launcher no matter what Showdown says, and it does have the right keyword in Japanese as well) to the mix and it might make it to the Realm of the Gods.Between Mega Launcher Origin Pulse, Dark Pulse, and Aura Sphere, a +2 Mega Blastoise 2HKOes everything that's viable in OU not named Unaware Pyukumuku.

>>32324434
to be fair though, there is a justifiable reason for it to get shell smash but origin pulse is pushing it heavily

>>32324461
The thread isn't about what's realistic, though. It's simply about what it would take to push a Pokemon to Ubers.
And besides, you're telling me you couldn't see GF making another Kanto-dicksucking giveaway event with Seed Flare Venusaur, Blue Flare/Sacred Fire Charizard,
and Origin Pulse Blastoise, all with Egg moves and Mega stones?

>>32319787
would still get one-shot by any variation of Agi without Endure

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>>32319787
>Pyro Jack used agi

The real question is how do we make Jack Frost Ubers? The eviolite set is surprisingly bulky, even though it doesn't get the SpA boost that King Frost does. I've tried fusing reflect fire onto it but I'm still having minimal success.

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>>32318884
It'd need something crazy, like an ability that uses defenses for damage calcs.

>>32324771
Give it magic bounce and recover.

>>32325041
Mega Sableye has both, a better typing (including immunity to Rapid Spin), and actually usable HP,and is only in OU.

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go back in time

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Just give it Magic Coat and laugh at stealth pebbles

>>32324771
Play rough, Ingrain and multiscale

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Are doubles allowed in this thread?
>New ability that uses minions to clear entry hazards, Royal Grace or something like that.
>Order moves now apply to both Pokémon on the opposing team or both on your team
>Also defend order is cosmic power
>Nasty Plot
>access to cleric moves like LS, Reflect, Heal Bell
>Baton Pass if you're feeling frisky
>more bulk

>>32324615
>not fusing Evade Fire onto it
Pleb

>>32322081
Fake out, Pursuit, Quick attack, various 60 BP dark moves like thief, bite and feint attack. Honestly pretty shit outside ice shard, not ubersworthy. Tough claws on the other hand.

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Head Smash and Brave Bird.

>>32325465
That might actually work.

>>32320996
see
>>32320583

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Quiver Dance

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psychic surge

Miltank with Rapid Spin

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>>32321071
Literally any physical ice move that isn't Ice Shard. Hell, Ice Shard may even get it suspected.

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Shift Gear, maybe?

>>32328049
it needs earthquake to go physically offensive. It has no physical attack for Steel-types.

>>32322193
when does this happen in the anime

>>32320692
>giving day no guard
How about no....

Also.
>Night learns Fissure

There. Insta ubers

>>32328097
>instakill in ubers
Lol

>>32328105
Ok anything goes :p

>>32322252
>Most of the suggestions in this thread are garbage desu
this

let's see where i left off from last night

>>32321397
technician wouldn't help him much, only with like 3 actually usable moves, and that sure as fuck would not push him into ubers

>>32321470
it'd hit like a fucking truck, might do it
>>32322140
literally why. honestly don't think spore would push anything out, IDK if it would help the stall set or not honestly, dunno what they ran, but maybe I guess?
>>32322154
>>32322157
>>32322160
tough claws would do it a world of good, but honestly don't see it being banned with it
huge power on anything with decent atk and good speed would prob get it banned
>>32322193
>>32322345
idk, shell smash isn't as good as people think it is honestly, leaves you open for a turn and if something has it they generally run it. It'd be a strong OU candidate I think
>>32324231
give it speed boost :^)
>>32324262
auto taunt would be a pretty cool, and likely overpowered ability. good move selection, not sure honestly, but OU at least
>>32324771
>tfw no defense calculating attacks for the likes of aeislash and whatnot. >>32325314
it also has less defences. I don't think shuckle is all that far away from being actually good if you tweak it just right honestly. a type change, however, is sorely needed. HP boost too probably. leech seed and reliable recovery are obvious.
>>32325414
or forward
>>32325422
yup that just might do it
>>32326277
technically he said ubers, so not necessarily but fuck it why not. Order moves hitting all allies is nice. cleric moves would make a lot of sense on it too. +10-20 in all bulk stats would help a lot. don't even need a type change for it to be totally usable in doubles with all that
>>32327991
>>32327998
good potential here
>>32328063
that'd do it for sure
>>32328049
it needs more than just ice STAB trust me

>>32328097
day form with no guard would still be absolute trash
Fissure is banned from normal OU play, can't remember if it is in ubers or not they allow some weird ass shit like double team and minimize. Even if OHKO moves were allowed in OU tho, it's still slow as hell and wouldn't be a threat to most things, not to mention a hell of a lot of levitators and flyers wouldn't care at all. Granted then they'd have to eat a stone edge. If they were slower.

>>32328140
Oh I wasn't denying day wouldn't still be bad with no guard. Just don't want it to have it since it already has better stats and accelerock. Let the moon mutt keep its 100% accurate rocks to itself

>>32328162
gotcha. misunderstood what you were saying then I guess. IDK what all it would take to make the doggos uber but it'd be a hell of a lot for sure

>>32320221
>>32328133
Why is there always that one autist that feels the need to respond to everyone?

>>32328204
cuz i feel the need to judge all the morons in the thread that have no idea what they're talking about, and I want to let the ones I like know that I liked their ideas. Why can't I try to have a conversation anon?

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Change it's ability to Literally anything except defeatist, or emergency exit.

>>32328231
Even with emergency exit, the would be amazing. Defeatist would even help.

>>32328231
>>32328235
why does emergency exit fit it so well?
those prob wouldn't put him to uber tier but at least UU if not OU. Also the fact that he can't learn a plethora of TMs that almost any mon can really pisses me off. Fuck you gamefreak

>>32328231
Give it iron fist

>>32318884
That wouldn't make it Uber. Heck, I doubt that would even make it any more viable in OU. What Kartana really needs is to not be in the shittiest speed tier imaginable.

>>32328231
Truant Regigigas. Yeah baby.

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u-turn and regenerator

>>32328877
>Regenerator Chansey
>not Fur Coat Chansey

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Give it Bouffalant stats, mantain Tauros original Speed, raise Special Attack to 70-80, and voila.

Also, give it Head Charge with 5% of flinching for Sheer Force abuse

>>32328887

Or mantain the crappy special attack but give it Flare Blitz

>>32328887
add Extreme Speed imo

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Make him hold that damn Mega Stone.

>>32328877
Or give it triage for some extra fuck you

>>32328936
quality post

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>>32319268
>Super Fang/Nature's Madness

>>32326496
Hey, wait one more thing, a move to buff both defences at once, if we ingrain turn one with leftovers, nothing able to deal 12.5% through multi scale will beat it, add def buffs and it grows to the point of mega fug doing basically nothing

>>32329743
Wait shit
>unable*

>>32328936
anon, you glorious bastard

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>>32319787
Phys immune demons are fun but no one beats my bro at that job, fucker carried me all the way to Lucifer because his base kit was just that good, only really had to put focus on him.

>>32318939
Does contrary not make draco meteor a viable option?

>>32328204
Those people are the heroes of the thread, as threads like these are usually filled with everyone just posting but not replying, and there's sero discussion.

>>32329990
it makes it lack coverage
serperior can run grass, dragon, and either fire or ground
giving it overheat would free up the HP slot

>>32330185
Fuck that, I'm not about to scan some screen-filling post to try to match numbers just to read some prick's ratings on this shit, which means I have to glance at it 20 fucking times as I'm vacantly scrolling and hovering over replies.

>>32328214
You read this too, annoying faggot. Your dipshit way of "having a conversation" is why every last person you replied to ignored you.

>>32320425
Jack shit

>>32318884
Why? It already kills everything it needs to with Leaf Blade

>>32330768
SO you can scroll past it while other read it. Works for me. Especially since it's one of the few times /vp/ is about discussion and not containment board tier autism and shitposting

>>32328936
Hats off to you.

>>32330768
or ya know they left the thread you cancerous fuck
stop bitching at how people post and get over yourself
also
>trying to match numbers
are you literally retarded? if you hover over the number someone is replying to, you can read that post

>>32328936
Got a good chuckle out of me best post

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[Attack name pending]
30 base power, fairy type
40 PP
+1 Priority
50% flinch rate

>>32332790
we have a winner
>countered by inner focus
oh nevermind :^)

>>32332790
He said ubers. not AG

>>32328231
If you're going to do that go all in and give him huge power or something equally broken

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>>32318884
>Stats that aren't shit
>Move pool that isn't shit
>Replace Klutz with something useful

>>32333257
It's a sad life being a Golurkfag

>>32322081
>>32322157
>>32328133
Well, I like to use Weavile with Power-Up Punch, Ice Shard, Aereal Ace and Knock Off. A regular Ice Shard can OHKO a Garchomp, and so I think a Power-Up Punch boosted Technician STAB Ice Shard could destroy a lot of things. It may not destroy everything, but you can do a lot of things.
Otherwise, Tough Claws would also work pretty well. Refrigerate + Extremespeed would be a joke, maybe giving it a good Ground move would work to cover Steel and Fire.
My other idea would be giving it a Mega Stone and give it +30 Attack and Speed or something, but that would be really cheap.
I just want my precious to work better.

>>32333365
what the fuck are you gonna pup against dude
seriously

>>32333398
I like to Pup an already weak Pokemon, like a Normal or Steel mon with yellow-red HP. A lot of people don't know Weavile can learn Pup and, even if they know, trying to switch still gives you a free +1 Attack.

>>32333257
Give it Zap Cannon, Ironhead, and 20+ points in HP.

>>32333365
that set does seem really cool w/ technician, but it wouldn't send it to ubers. I'd use it tho
tough claws would wreck shit, it's a step in the right direction. not really sure how that would preform, it'd be using ice punch instead of icicle crash so it wouldn't have to worry about accuracy, and knock off would be swell. I'm thinking it would be a top threat in OU with just the ability change, but giving it some coverage that would hit the normal walls would push it up

>>32319432
has more special attack coverage than attack dingus