Mega Mum is officially Kill

>>32310477
Primarina is climbing that list, nice~

I expect to see more Baracat once Intimidate is released

>>32310506
In doubles for sure, but what does Incineroar do in singles that Arcanine can't?

>>32310512
The only difference is he is dark and it has fake out, but stilll Arcanine has morning sun, priority, and bulky stats.

>>32310530

Incineroar is slightly bulkier than Arcanine and has Fake Out.

Fire/Dark is also better defensive typing than pure Fire.

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>>32310477
Is because people don't want to pay $4.99US for transfer a Kangaskhan from Gen 6 if it already is available in Alola.

Also have you noticed that Regular form of Alolan Variation mons aren't used like they were on Gen 6? Is because the same FUCKING reason.

>>32310576
>Also have you noticed that Regular form of Alolan Variation mons aren't used like they were on Gen 6?
Yeah, because they're outclassed by their alola forms.

>>32310576
Not sure what these stats are for, but also the Kangaskhan has to be Alola native to be eligible for some competitions. Thus, no gen 6 only moves for those ones.

Incineroar Rankings

BSS:#141
BSD:#85
VGC/WCS:#50

Arcanine Rankings

BSS:#72
BSD:#8
VGC/WCS:#1

Intimidate ain't going to do shit for Inciniroar in Singles since it clearly isn't helping Aracanine out much, but the biggest difference will be in Doubles and VGC. How much will his usage go up by in BSD and VGC when his HA gets released? Fuck knows, but it should be somewhat significant. Probably not enough to be top 10-20, but enough.

>>32310477
>#59 - Arcanine - - Estimated usage: 59.232%

Based firedoge doing work in vgc.

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>>32310477
>singles 3v3

>>32310530
Don't forget U-turn and maybe Knock Off once the next gen 7 games come out

>>32310576

Nah, nonsense, lets take Metagross, another Alola Native mon, who has also jumped massively in usage from last gen, as an example. These are his 4 most used moves in BSS for the current season (S3).

#1 Ice Punch 68.02196992037747%
#2 Earthquake 60.69190504276025%
#3 Bullet Punch 56.362429961663224%
#4 Iron Head 55.061191388970805%

Half of his top 4 most used moves are Move Tutor moves from ORAS.

If what you said was true then he and other mons would have been affected as well, but they clearly haven't been, unless you want to try and tell us that Kanga is some special case.

>>32310599
Alola native mons are only required for VGC,they're allowed in Battle Spot, and the stats the OP used are for BSS.

>>32310477
Seismic Toss is just about the only reason Mom is considered uber in smogon anymore, and AFAIK you cannot use it here

>>32310599
Those are battle spot and hoennian (lmao) Kangaskhan is legal there.

But even with PuP, the ability nerf is harsh.

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>>32310672
>>32310728
Oh, sorry
I didn't know.

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I dont get it

>>32310477
Why is Greninja fucking 15th? Why would anyone not use a really strong Pokemon, better than Megas, but one that doesn't take the Mega slot. Why? I would expect it to be first, but if not that, it should at least be in top 5.

>>32311045
Because this isnt 6 vs 6

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>>32311028

>>32311028
>#7 Hypnosis 23.99743175941833%
It works with that too.

>>32310477
>Blaziken
I thought it was bad in these formats

>>32310697
Yeah Seismic Toss Mega Mum is illegal in official formats, the same goes for Sheer Force Lando-I, since only mons obtained in Gen 6 and 7 are allowed.

>>32311198
Nah Blaziken is fine in BSS, it's Mega Blaziken who is underwhelming, though the mega speed boost could be a game changer, since his base 100 speed will allow him out outspeed prominent scarfers after one turn instead of the two turns regular Blaziken needs.

On the other hand, Mega Blaziken will lose the ability to use Firium Z, which is the most used Blaziken set since it allows him to nuke problematic mons.

>>32310477
Didn't think Mamoswine was that good.

>>32311485
hahahaha no mega blaziken will be fucking bonkers once it's released

its biggest buff was the nerf to para, which normally was the achilles heel for speed boost mons. Now after two speed boosts the paralysis is basically negated.

>>32310512
uturn
also have a secondary stab which is a big deal
theyre not really comparable, the cat is closer to like krookodile, arcanines more of a tank

>>32310582
Except dugtrio

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>>32310477
>Mega Salamance used less than charizard
>The most used move on charizard is Solar Beam
Okay, I love charizard but isn't Mega Salamance the strongest mega? Also why are people using Y Over X in sigles?

>>32311768
He's there to kill things weak to ice

>>32314909
Charizard's unpredictability is scary, with Salamence you know what's coming for the most part. But Salamence is still the best mega I would say

>>32314909
Well, Charizard is basically 2 Pokémon at once.

>>32311092
>Levitate

>>32314909
Charizard is a lot more unpredictable, and capable of fitting different teams. Salamence is amazing too, but more one dimension. There's also Mimikyu, the most used Pokemon, which checks Mence. Mence loses in one-on-one to Mimikyu, so it is forced to switch, losing its DD and getting SR damage in process, while another Pokemon takes damage in its stead. This makes it a bit harder to use.

As for which Mega gets used, this changes often. As soon as people will begin expecting Zard Y a bit more, this might change. Zard Y is also more newbie friendly, as it requires no set up.

>>32314909
in 3v3 the immediate power of y trumps the clean sweep potential of x

>>32314909
> I love charizard but isn't Mega Salamance the strongest mega?

Mega Mence is good, very good, but being fodder to the most used mon in the meta (Mimikyu) hurts him. It also doesn't help that everyone is over prepared to deal with Garchomp, since mons that are commonly used to beat Chomp are also able to beat Mence, which makes things even more difficult for him.

There isn't one mega I would call the best in BSS desu, I've seen people argue that the title belongs to Mega Gyarados since he's able to beat Mimikyu (though the surge in popularity of the Fairium Z Mimikyu set may change peoples views on that), and I've seen other people argue that it's Charizard (as a whole) because of the unpredictability factor, but there's no one consensus like in Gen 6 when it was unanimously agreed that Mega Kanga was the best mega, with Mega Gengar being the only Mega able to compete.

>Also why are people using Y Over X in sigles?

To put it simply, Zard Y's phenomenal wallbreaking capabilities as well as hiis amazing synergy with Hippowdon and Tapu Lele/Primarina puts him ahead over Zard X.

It also doesn't help Zard X that the mons that cuck him are much more common than the mons that cuck Zard Y.

>>32310555
Have fun being a fire type that loses to Kartana.

>tfw my moveset on my Prankster user doesn't have any moves that target the opponent

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Why is there such a big difference between cart BSS and showdown BSS?

>>32316620
This is a bit outdated now. Wait for the more recent one, it should be out soon.

>>32316639
I thought they'd be no PS! stats for March and April because of some fuck-up and Smogon is stuck for two months without being able to shift tiers...

>>32316620
Megas can't be used for diddly squat anymore. Their only use anymore is for Bullshit Tower and random matchups. They wanted Megas to die and they succeeded.

>>32316661
Holy shit, really? That sucks

>>32316668
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/march-stats.3600723/

>>32316674
God damnit, I didn't know. Thanks for informing me anon.

>>32316620
Well they're 1760 stats, and I'm not sure if cart stats have any weight on rank at all. Cart is the actual meta though, differences in showdown stats can be explained by Japanese players (aka the best players) not really using it and people using it more to test out teams rather than ladder seriously

>>32310617

imo double intimidate+ bulk+snarl+growl+ turn to set up one of them... they could be fun to use together

>>32316705
I hope that you encounter nothing but Competitive Milotic.

>>32316705

intimidate x2
snarl x2

opponent switch
growl and snarl
set up
growl/snarl
set up
protect
switch to healer/other

the only problem there is roar and haze because gf cannot make intimidate anti roar ability and cannot provide anti haze item

>>32316764

this is naive but... who knows? it all may work with good tactic

>>32316781

I fucking can't believe there's no growl like move but for sp. atk... all of them lowers it by 1 stage and those which lowers by 2 are shit

How come Zard Y is used more often than Mega Mence in battle spot doubles? I figured mence would stomp zard, lando-t, and garchomp. The latter 2 being able to beat Zard y as well

>>32316935

because idiots think that you cannot switch out to counter mimikyu ect.

>>32316935
See >>32315776 >>32315899 >>32315978

>>32316952
Swithing in general is not very optimal in 3v3, since your switching options are limited to just 2 and stalling is not viable due to your inability to cover anything in just 3 slots (not to mention loltimer)

3v3 blows dicks in general, the match is decided the moment you and your opponent pick your 3 mons. If you guess wrong, chances are you already lost the match. Worst """competitive""" format by far.

>>32316935
>How come Zard Y is used more often than Mega Mence in battle spot doubles?

Four reasons

1. Fairies
2. Common Scarf users who carry rock moves (Lando-T)
3. Weakness Policy Aegislash
4. Cresselia

Mence gets fucked by all 4 whilst Zard Y only gets fucked by one.

>>32310497
b-but /vp/ told me it was gonna be NU and never used in doubles. Did /vp/ lie to me?

>>32317269
you forgot Intimidate