>the peak was gen 5 and it's over

>>32282769
The peak was Platinum to BW2
>4 fantastic games in a row
>we will never see this again

I kinda agree. Crystal, Emerald and ORAS are great too, but Ten V was probably the peak. Especially the PWT.

Gen 1 was the peak faggots

>>32282888
>genwunner trips

>>32282888
(You)

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>>32282769
>there will never be a pokemon game to top black and white 2

>>32282769
Pretty much, yeah. Pokemon just hasn't been good since the jump to 3D.

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>the peak was gen 5
seems about right

>>32282888
If you're going to bait at least take off your tripcode so we don't hate you as fast

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>>32282769

Why isn't frogposting not a bannable offense yet?

There are no peak in pokemon

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>>32282999

>>32283017
but i need to keep it on or else fags like >>32283040 pretend to be me ):

>>32283054
You don't have to :(

>>32282999
Peak yourself

>>32283071
>ywn have a long black thing inside you

I think every gen is good

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>>32283192
>the true fan charade

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Since Platinum:

BW2 > Platinum > HGSS > SM = BW > ORAS > XY

>/vp/ is actually giving gen 5 the props it deserves

The fuck happened? A while ago the mere mention of gen 5 made people nuts with anger

>>32283228
>>32283228
gen 6 came out

>>32283228
I've been white knighting gen 5 since this board opened
Fuck the ice cream and trash bag memes

>>32282778
That's a funny joke because gen 4 is all shit

>>32283257
faggot

>>32283219
BW2 > HGSS = ORAS > Platinum > BW1 > XY = SM

Fixed it. :)

>>32283270
no you didn't

>>32283266
Sorry you can't handle the truth anon

>>32283266
He's right tho

>>32283219
The only correct answer is
BW2 > ORAS = HGSS > Plat > BW > XY > SM

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>>32283274
>>32283276
no, you're all wrong

Holy tier:
>HGSS, Platinum, BW, BW2, Crystal, Emerald

Nostalgic good tier:
>RBGY, GS

Meh tier:
The rest

We're getting too many meh games

>>32283291
Platinum was great tho

>>32283338
It really wasn't.

>>32283270
ORAS are the objective worst remakes in the entire franchise you crackhead.

>>32283373
If they're the worst then I'd hate to see what you think of FRLG and HGSS.

>>32283371
Yes it was.

>>32283228
do you even browse this board? it's 50/50 split on if gen 5 is the best or worst

>>32283384
(You)

>>32283384
Not insults to the source material at the bare minimum. I liked some of ORAS's features, but most of what it did just fell flat. I really want a good 3D game to come out, but so far we still haven't gotten a really solid one, and it's genuinely disappointing.

>>32283402
>Not insults to the source material at the bare minimum.
Thats the thing, they were too faithful to the point where it hindered the game in several ways. Just to name a few, no cross gen evos until you beat the game in FRLG (it also requires you to catch 60 pokemon but that's easy) and same old poor level scaling as well as forgetting location based evos in its entirety in HGSS.

>>32283402
I personally think it's likely Gen VIII at the very least, will not be as lackluster as Gen VI and Gen VII, because there will be nothing inherently special about it when it comes arround, Gen VI focused too much on Megas and Gen VII had a bunch of experimentation, but both had little focus in the actual core gameplay experience, mostly because Gen VI was the series' jump to 3D and Gen VII was the series' anniversary, when Gen VIII comes arround, outside of maybe one or two new small gimmicks, there won't really be a reason to focus on anything outside of pure design.

>>32283255
That's just sad tbqh. The worst generation is only recognized as being "good" by a bunch of autistic manchildren. Stay mad, fag.

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>>32282778
fpbp

>>32283398
But as of late it's been more 75/25 in terms of like vs hate.

>>32282769
"""""""""""""""(you)"""""""""""""""

>>32283538
Is this hypocritical humor?

>>32283550
I've noticed this too. It's probably because of the new influx of underage unovabortions. At this point, it won't be long before kalosperm show up.

>>32283727
>le underage

Ebin

>>32283773
t. Unovabortion who turned 18 last week

>>32283873
>>32283727
>>32283550
>people like a game that I dislike so they must be underage

>>32283910
Anon >>32283550 gen 5 is literally my favorite gen

>>32283228
All of pokemon got retconned with one feel movie.

RIP

>>32283371
Platinum was the best main series Pokemon game

>frogposter is retarded
not suprised

>>32283228
/vp/ always had shit taste and liked gen 5 newfag

Emerald > HGSS > BW2 = Platinum > SM > FRLG

Others are either shit or irrelevant.

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>>32283873

I'm 24 and Gen. 5 is my favorite, faggot. Try again.

>>32285130

(You)

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>>32283219
>SM being better than anything

Pokemon was on the way down just before gen 3 was released.

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>>32285236
>XY being better than anything

>>32283257
That's a funny joke because gen 5 is all shit

>>32282769
>Mega Evolution muddied the water
>Fairy type shat in it
>Exclusive Z moves opened up a giant can of worms in the center of it.

Is it time again? It's time again. I haven't said it in a while, so I need to prepare for a bit. Hold on. *breathe in, breathe out* Okay, that should be good. ...

Go back to your simulators.

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>>32283727
>new influx of underage unovabortions
Sinnohfetuses bought their games during early years of school 11 years ago, pic related. Kids in that grade group are 5 - 7, they'd be 16 - 18 now. HGSS and Platinum were 8 years ago, so the kids who bought those would be 13 - 15 now. With that said, what's the age you think most underage discover 4chan?

>>32283727
>It's probably because of the new influx of underage unovabortions.
You realise this board was created due to Black and White right?

>>32285480
Post the gen 5 one

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>>32282769
Is that why Gen V is the worst selling generation and loathed by the fanbase everywhere outside of /vp/? I know it's a cool meme to overrate BW(2) but seriously, can we just stop?
>mfw I see these threads

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>>32283727
>>32285480
Meanwhile the biggest demographic for BW was people aged 19 - 24. Players of all ages ranging from 5 - 7 to 19 - 24 bought similar quantities. It was 7 years ago so the underage would be 12 - 14, but clearly they weren't the only ones who hopped on the BW train.

>>32285480
Personally, I discovered it at 16. I'd guess most underage stem from around that age group. Any younger and they sound like absolute retards and fail to blend in.

>>32285515
>and loathed by the fanbase everywhere outside of /vp/
That's gen 4 anon. Always has been

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>>32285515
>Gen V was 6 years ago and anons still make this kind of threads
Hold me

I find it kinda funny that this analysis hasn't been done since then. 6 and 7 were clearly made to bring back the younger audience. I want to see how that affected things.

>>32285531
It doesn't help that everyone with a braincell can figure out that Gen 5 is much better than 6 or 7, regardless if Gen 5 is the peak of the entire series or not.

>>32285515
Because People afraid the new.
This is why we are getting GEN 1 over and over

>>32283054
Your opinion is not important on 4chan. If you want legit discussion don't use a tripcode like everyone else on this board you fucking attention whore

>>32283219
HGSS > ORAS > BW2 > Platinum = XY > BW > SM

To be quite honest with you my family.

>>32285538
No.

>>32282769
Gen 6 and 7 are both better.

Gen 5 was the most stagnant generation. Understandable, given it followed directly on the worst generation and had a lot of cleaning up to do, but it is nonetheless what happened.

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>>32285547
>oras
>over bw2
>over emerald

I'm just going to say it.

Go back to Kingdom Hearts.

>>32285552
This is bait, right?

>>32282778
/thread

>>32285553
Yes? I know it's hard to understand something like this when you're a contrarian and have your head stuck up your ass but ORAS > BW2 is what most of the fanbase seems to think outside of /vp/ based on sales and reviews for example. ORAS are actually great remakes that added a lot of cool things like visiting Secret Bases through passerby and QR codes, Delta Episode, soaring, Dexnav, completely redesigned areas and Mirage Islands among other things while having the best online system in the series (PSS). Especially when compared to RSE, ORAS was a huge leap forward. BW2 on the other hand are pretty much just BW with some additional post-game content. Gen V as a whole didn't really add much worth mentioning when compared to literally any other generation.

Related to this, I find posts like >>32285539 to be extremely since like I said, Gen V is pretty much the only generation that didn't introduce anything new. Every time when GF gives us something drastically new the games sell well, and that one time when they released a generation that just gave us the basics and nothing else it ended up being the worst selling Pokemon generation of all time, so I don't really think the fanbase is afraid of everything new.

That being said, I still like BW2 a lot which should be evident just by looking at my list. I actually like all of the games that I listed a lot, except maybe SM which is more of a "just fine". However, I do acknowledge the flaws of Gen V and think /vp/ overrates these games way too much.

>>32285614
>based on sales
Stopped reading there. Not an argument.

>>32285614
You're basing this on sales...and reviews? With that logic XY were the best games in the series at their time

Bw2 added pokestar, black/white tower/tree hollow for money and grinding, new towns, more battles, PWT, Join avenue, and all kinds of cool touches that made it an enjoyable experience that lasted for a long time

>>32285625
>Fans of a series buy title A much more than title B
>This somehow doesn't support the claim that the fanbase likes A more than B
Truly a remarkable defense from unova apologists.

>>32285614
>Gen V is pretty much the only generation that didn't introduce anything new.
HAHAHAHAHA
Gen V is the only gen that didn't suck Kanto's dick. No Kanto Pokemon in every corner. No special form changes or special moves for Kanto Pokémon. No Evolutions/Preevolutions for Kanto Pokemon.
They added the biggest amount of NEW Pokemon and focused on them. They added more Pokémon than fucking Gen 1. It was a fucking breath of fresh air.

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>>32285614
>>32285625
>>32285645
>>32285646
all pokemons games are good felas, we dont need to fight

>>32285665
True but some are clearly better than others.

>>32285646
I bought both XY and ORAS. I pirated BW and BW2. I regret buying XY and ORAS. I later bought BW and BW2 secondhand. This would mean I like Gen 6 more than Gen 5 but it's simply not true.
Gen 5 was released in an era where DS emulation and DS pirating already existed. Of course it didn't sell well. You also have to take marketing into consideration. XY appealed to the normalfag audience with new Charizard forms and other blatant genwun pandering. Doesn't mean their taste is more credible, and doesn't mean they're part of the core fanbase because they were fooled to buy one game.

>>32285660
Every generation has had new Pokemon, anon.
Gen 5 failed to advance the formula. It was an expansion pack and bugfix to gen 4 at best.

Gen 5 was where they stagnated.

Gen 6 was where they got their groove back.

>>32285684
emulation and pirating had nothing to do with sales, look at gen 7 for example

>>32285693
What formula? Adding power up of the season into the game? I'd rather have had stagnant Mega Evolutions again in Gen 7 than Z moves. And I'd rather have had stagnant normal evolution for old Pokémon than Mega Evolutions in Gen 6.

>>32285731
3d

>>32285645
Oh, so now we start talking about additions?
>3D graphics
>PSS (best online features in the series)
>Pokemon Amie
>Horde encounters (best EV training method in the series)
>Drastically improved breeding mechanics
>Character customization
>PR videos
>Fairy-type
>Mega Evolution
>Super Training
>Riding Pokemon in the overworld
And if I really want to scrape the bottom of the barrel I can include gimmick battle formats (Inverse and Sky Battles) as well as Battle Chateau and Lumiose City restaurants for money grinding and training. XY are actually great games and they were deservingly very well received by the fanbase but the contrarians on /vp/ don't want to admit it.

>>32285660
>HAHAHAHAHA
What's so funny? Gen V is actually the only generation that didn't introduce any new major additions. Gen II had breeding, held items, fixing the special stat and Dark-/Steel-types. Gen III had natures, abilities and current IV/EV mechanics. Gen IV had physical/special split and online features. Gen V had nothing. Gen VI had mega evolutions, Fairy-type and our current breeding mechanics. Gen VII has Z-moves, removing HMs and completely revamping the way the story goes on (no more 8 gyms that had been a staple since the beginning).

I mean, this isn't necessarily a crime but don't act like like Gen V was something new and wild, because it wasn't. It was the most stagnant Pokemon generation and the only to lack major additions. Despite this, BW(2) managed to be great games which I do give them credit for.

And if all you can say is "fucking genwun pandering kanto dick sucking xd" then I think you should stop. At least give proper arguments to why you shit on some games and praise others to high heavens.

>>32283445
I do hope you're right. SM was okay, but it definitely felt rushed out too soon because "muh 20th anniversary".

>>32285236
Better than Diamond and Pearl.

>>32285731
3D
Pokemon Amie
Mega Evolution
Trainer customization

No one cares what your preferences are, anon. The fact remains that objectively speaking gen 6 did far more for the franchise than gen 5.

>>32285706
3DS hacking is way more difficult than simply buying an M3/R4 or a pirated game back in the day. You have to have an older version of 3DS software since Nintendo releases constant updates to prevent such things. You need custom firmware. There is always potential for bricking your 3DS permanently. You can't find R4 cartridges that work easily. Kids can't figure this shit out and they get scared. It is much, much easier to pirate on DS, especially because there's no way it'll brick your system.
Old computers could run Pokémon on Desmume just fine, my new computer still can't run Pokémon on Citra without lag spikes.
Don't talk out of your ass, pirating and emulation did have an effect on sales.

>>32285614
Yeah, we didn't get anything like Hidden Abiliti--OH WAIT. Yeah we fucking did.

>>32285743
>>32285747
>>32285756
3D is not a formula change. It's a graphic change. Gen 5 had a massive visual overhaul compared to Gen 4. First gen with moving sprites. First gen with curves in the OW map. Etc.

>>32285743
>>32285747
>>32285756
The game overworlds have been 3D since Gen 4. If anything that Gen deserves to get the credit for that "innovation"

>>32285762
you can install arm9 in less than 10 minutes now, and i knew how to read tutorials when i was a kid anon

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Reminder that gen 5 also made it possible to gain EVs at level 100 and TMs are now infinite.

Also, no more single-use TMs and being prompted to set up another repel after the previous one faded.
God that was a welcomed change.

>>32285780
It's easy nowadays, but absolutely nowhere near how widespread it was during the DS era.

Parents would go into stores asking for "the thing that made you play all the games"

>>32285772
Hidden Abilities are just Abilities that are harder to get than regular Abilities. That hardly counts as a new major gameplay addition comparable to new types, Mega Evolution and online playing unless you're really desperate, and Unova apologists obviously are since they don't have anything else.

>>32285775
>curves in the OW map
>massive visual overhaul

Gen V gave us Hidden Abilities, which revitalized many old mons, such as Drizzle Politoed. Along with some other QoL changes.

Anyone that says Gen V gave nothing is full of shit.

>>32285787
so you agree, is very easy before sun and moon release, and still it selling better than gen V

>>32285747
>>32285756
>Gen V had nothing.
Infinite TMs.
Dark grass (Prototype Horde)
Seasons.
Hidden Abilities.
Grooves.
Dream World.
Constant sprite Animation.
Pokémon Musical.
Pokéstar Studios.
Pokémon World Tournament.

>>32285790
Anon many pokemon that got hidden abilities greatly appreciated them. Hell starters aren't locked to starter abilities anymore either.

>>32285802
>Grooves
Grottos.

>>32285801
I said it's easy nowadays, but not even close to how easy it was during the days of Gen 5. Pretty much anyone could emulate the Gen 5 games when they released. Not even a third of the players can do that now with SM, even if they wanted to

But you know this

>>32285793
As much as moving diagonally was in XY. It made automatic egg hatching possible in the Battle Subway, like in Lumiose City.

>>32285802
We're talking about major additions, and out of everything you listed only infinite TMs and hidden abilities are still a thing. Game-specific one-time things don't really count here since otherwise we could make massive lists of features that were dropped in the next game for every single generation, and that wouldn't really make much sense. Like remember how Gen II added that Pokedex specifically for Unown? What a great new gameplay mechanic.

>>32285802
Not to mention

O-Powers
fun fest missions
join avenue in general

To say gen 5 added nothing is a blant fucking lie

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when do we get actual mods

>>32285852
Truth be told the conversation is surprisingly civil for the most part by /vp/ standards

>>32285802
>Infinite TMs.
Revision of existing mechanic.
>Dark grass (Prototype Horde)
Modification of Feebas mechanic.
>Hidden Abilities.
Modification of existing mechanic.
>Seasons.
Regional gimmick, dropped instantly.
>Grooves.
This is nothing.
>Dream World.
Regional gimmick, dropped instantly.
>Constant sprite Animation.
Crystal had this, and it wasn't shit tier Flash tweening like gen 5.
>Pokémon Musical.
Wasn't this literally just dumbed down Contests without the stats?
>Pokéstar Studios.
Regional gimmick.
>Pokémon World Tournament.
Nostalgia pandering, which you've criticized post gen 5 games for.

>>32285839
So you're list here >>32285747
Let's take off PSS, Horde encounters, PR videos, and Super Training. Those things didn't come back for Gen 7, now did they?

Also, PokeRadar, Dexnav and chain fishing.

>>32285852
>normal conversations being called a genwar by fragile shitters

>>32285836
then you are a massive fag too, ds also sold way more than 3ds consoles, that sould helped bw sales

>>32285857
it's absolutely not

>>32285870
>my gen is the best! - the thread
>not a genwar
you're so retarded i hope you're baiting

>>32285839
>>32285866
Oh, and your precious Inverse and Sky Battles as well. Battle Chateau was replaced as were the Lumiose Restaurants.

Now who's the pot calling the kettle black, shithead?

>>32285877
It could be much worse honestly. I'll take what I can get here...

>>32283228
the cycle of /vp/
(current gen) - (2) = really good
(current gen) - (3) = the best
(current gen) - (1) = eh, not so bad
(current gen) = fuck i hate everything

>>32285862
>Modification of Feebas mechanic.
You didn't play the game, did you?
>Regional gimmick, dropped instantly.
Global Link is the same thing but renamed and with less features.
>Crystal had this, and it wasn't shit tier Flash tweening like gen 5.
No it fucking didn't. They moved once when sent out. Stop being retarded.

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>>32285866
>Those things didn't come back for Gen 7, now did they?
this is irrelevant when the case is gen 5 against gen 6, specifically XY

>>32285894
I still hate Gen 6 more than anything.

>>32285903
>list regional gimmick that's never coming back as improvement to the whole Pokemon formula
>when someone does the same, it doesn't count because it's a regional gimmick that's never coming back

>>32285894
Stop forcing the Zelda cycle on pokemon

>>32285884
>we cant discuss pokemon gens on a pokemon board

>>32283270
>ORAS
>NOT equal to SM

you almost hit a home run until that fuckup

>>32285866
>>32285890
The guy I replied to mentioned many game-specifics features and so did I. Later in literally the same post when I mentioned major additions of each generation I only included mega evolution, Fairy-type and modern breeding mechanics because obviously the entire list earlier wasn't full of major things and at no point did I even claim it to be. If you criticize my post, at least read it all the way to the end.

>>32285903
Oh, but it is very much relevant. You said those features were what made XY great, as opposed to Gen 5's "lackluster". But those same features you raved about were, for the most part, dropped when we moved to Gen 7.
So really, you're also grasping for straws as to what made XY, or Gen 6 overall, better than Gen 5.
Could even include the lack of trainer customization in ORAS if I wanna be nit-picky.

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>>32285935
>not playing as a girl

I am not you and I will never be you.

Maybe Gen 5 didn't come up with many new features, but I think that's because the focus was instead actually placed on the new Pokemon.

>>32285912
>>32285935
I'm not the original poster. I just don't see how gen 7 relates when you could just drop it out of the argument completely if it's 5 vs 6.

>>32285958
>focusing on the pokemon and basic gameplay made the overall experience much more enjoyable

It sounds just crazy enough to be true!

>>32285958
and look how that turned out
literally my mom's bootleg gen 1

>>32285916
genwars aren't anything productive ever
it's like arguing about how food tastes on /ck/

>>32285984
BUT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IF IT DOESN'T COST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING

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>>32282769
>the peak was gen 5

>>32285958
>focus was instead actually placed on the new Pokemon
Is that why Gen V introduced us the worst regional Pokedex in the entire series?
>Timburr line
>Patrat and Watchog
>Trubbish and Garbodor
>Klink line
>Vanillite line
>Throh and Sawk
>Gothita line
>Elemental monkeys
>Druddigon
>Genies
>Terrakion
>Overall the worst set of starters, the worst regional rodent, the worst regional bird and the worst legendaries in the series along with a huge pile of other garbage
Gen V had some good things but the Pokedex wasn't one of them.

>>32286087

People have different tastes in pokemon. Even the least unpopular one is someones favorite. The fuck wrong with terrakion?

>>32286106
>The fuck wrong with terrakion?
It's fucking ugly. Cobalion doesn't look too good either and Keldeo is an ugly MLP reject. Virizion is actually the only good sword of justice.

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>>32286126
shit taste anon

>>32282888
Trips never lies. There are actual retards who think Pokémon was still cool after Gen 1.

>>32283402
>Not insults to the source material at the bare minimum.
>insults
>fixing and improving an already good source material is an insult

Nice try, anon. :)

>>32282888
This. Also Gen 5 was shit and the series has been in the toilet ever since that gen. Really got to step it up next gen desu.

>>32285920
ORAS is clearly better than SM.

>>32282778
my absolute nigger.

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>>32285515
>>32285614
>muh sales
>le contrarian meme

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>>32286087

Yeah, because those are totally the only Pokemon that were introduced.

Good job at revealing your obvious bias.

>>32285186
>I'm n-not underage guise! I swear!!

Underage detected.

>>32282895
*gewuiner

>>32285660
Name a game-breaking mechanic introduced in Gen 5. Go on, I'm waiting.

>>32282778
Wise words my nigga
Emerald
DP
Pt
HGSS
BW
BW2

Truly the golden era

>>32288030
Reminder this is pure sarcasm

Gamespy dying and killing all wifi features

>>32287948
>hurrdurr u underage XD