Phero banned from OU

>>32278754
F

>>32278754

>It took six fucking months to ban something this obviously broken

More like Slowgon

good. now let's get megagross out of the way.

>>32278809
I actually agree with this. It is way too centralized now

Genuinely surprised it took this long.

also lol at those 7 votes

Fuck
Phero didn't deserve this
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Cya bitch

>>32278878

>complain about stall
>wanting a Pokemon whose presence makes stall more viable to stay

what did he mean by this

smogon is the cancer killing the spirit of the franchise

good
tapu lele you are next
fucking cancerous piece of shit needs to be purged too

>>32278776
>>32278867
I guess people underestimated it for being extremely vulnerable to priority and lacking coverage for Ghosts. Even Deoxys had Extremespeed and a movepool that hits everything it wants.

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>>32278889

>>32278809
This.

>the only mon that can wall it is mega scizor
>it has to do stupid shit like u turn out and swich back in 3 times to even fucking damage it
>some metas run hp fire anyway

>>32278754
It was inevitable. Now let's remove the frogs

>>32278754
Gee what a surprise. Can't say I disagree with the ban (QD is a nightmare) but I dislike Smogon anyway. I'll go back to playing the games instead.

>remove remove remove

Should have brought back smogonsword and watch cockroach melt.

>>32278941

Pheromosa was broken even when Aegislash was around.

Phero has been a cancerous piece of shit since day 1.

>>32278914
>Tapu lele
>Most priority moves wouldn't OHKO
>Most ghosts are slower and she can u-turn away from them

hmm makes me think

>>32278941
>now you have to build for meme lion, meme sword AND meme roach plus the rest of OU
you should join the council

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I don't dislike Pheromosa in itself but I hope that this ban will help Tyranitar in some way.

>>32278918
>u turn
you can always get bug bite or fury cutter

>>32278754

I'm guessing they aren't going to bring back genesect either? Fucking pieces of shit, I can't have Pheromosa or Genesect, how am I supposed to run my monobug team?

>>32278979
didn't realise they were the only bugs in the game

>>32278979
U-turn and hidden power bug greninja? :3c

>>32278979
>tfw any good bug types introduced are one of two types
>way too fucking good for OU but meh in ubers
>or OK in RU or UU but absolute shit in OU
I can't just make a team of M-Scizor and Volcarona.

I will not miss that cancerous roach.

>>32278979
>>32279002
There's still 6 other bugs in OU.
Why do bugfags do nothing but complain when their shitty type is doing fine?

>>32278978
U-turn is too important and most teams can't give up on defog unless you have another free slot for fini

>>32278776

How hard can it be to implement a guilty until proven innocent system?
Ban anything that looks suspicious on sight, and then take the time to judge whether or not they're really overpowered.
It's obvious the traditional system is outdated. OU is hell as everything sluggishly gets discussed, tested, and voted on one at a time.

>>32279039
The problem with that is that there isn't a standard to base things off of. UU does the system you're talking about, but that has problems too considering that BL is 17 pokemon right now.

>>32278996
Protean or pokemon that are reliant on megas to match typing don't count.

In other news, Grenigger just jumped to S rank again.

>Greninja has been hovering between A+ and S for a long time, and now it's time to officially put it back in S. While the meta still hasn't had much time to settle after Mosa being banned, if anyone has played the Suspect ladder, you all should know just how absolutely insane Greninja is right now. Without the best hazard remover in the tier, Greninja is able to get up Spikes with ease throughout the match, and there is very little counterplay to it considering that offensive teams now no longer have a strong way to remove hazards outside of Latios and Exca which both lose to Gren, while bulkier teams are forced to rely on removers such as Fini, Zapdos, and Skarmory, all of which are heavily pressured by it. Not only that, but its AoA set is very difficult to wall defensively, especially with Extrasensory becoming practically standard on it now. Mosa was not only a splashable Greninja check but also a solid hazard remover, so with its departure, Greninja just got a whole lot better, and with its ability to keep Spikes up on the field so easily, it heavily pressures any sort of reliable defensive counterplay that Greninja already lacked. With Greninja being able to get up Spikes so easily, Pokemon such as Mega Metagross, which already lacks reliable switch-ins, only become that more problematic, and it's all thanks to the immense amount of offensive pressure Greninja provides through Spikes and coverage. It's easily one of the best Pokemon, if not THE best in the tier right now, and it is fully deserving of its place back in S rank.

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>>32278754
>mfw verlisify was right
Say what you want, but you have to admit, Smogon is fucking retarded with banning shit and calling it "official". And now they're declaring that overcentralization isn't a bad thing. They're fine with a shit metagame because hey, fun is a buzzword. If you don't believe me, check out this thread.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-oras-ou-suspect-testing-round-1-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-greninja-is-uber.3525033/page-30
In which Haunter took scrubs getting beat by a completely counterable strategy as pretext for helping out HO, his favorite playstyle. But Smogonbunny, Smogondueldisc, Smogonbird and Muhgenies don't get banned because using cheap shit gets them free wins and preserves their ladder rank.

>>32279014
>defog
what if you wanna keep your own entry hazards?

>>32279011
The complaining is really overblown, I generally don't see any whining other than a couple posts in other threads or if a top bug is banned like Phero.

The thing is though, that the bugs in OU aren't really top options. Mega Scizor isn't as good as Megagross, and Volcarona can only do so much for a team. Pinsir, Scizor, and Beedrill can't be used efficiently without the mega, so that eliminates several options. And Scolipede and Buzzwole are barely staying in there because they simply aren't any good (Scolipede by virtue of baton pass ban, Buzzwole because even smogon thinks it's a useless shit, as said by them). So the guy is somewhat justified in claiming he can't do monobug anymore, because the options for it are incredibly limited.

>>32279068
>Muhgenies

Lando-I is banned, and the others have dropped out of OU.

Lando-T is the only relevant genie now.

>>32278979
>Heracross
>Volcarona
>Sash Q Dance or Z Sleep Powder Vivillon
>Araquanid
>Buzzwole
>Banded Scizor
>Mega Scizor
>Forretress
plenty of options

>>32279065
This is definitely the prelude to a Gren suspect test

>>32279092
>using RU and UU mons as options
Araquanid in particular, it's excellent in VGC but absolute steaming trash in smogon.

>>32279073
there are way more viable defoggers than viable spinners, and most people run defog on defensive sciz

>>32279104
Maybe Araquanid, but seriously give Vivillon a try doesn't even need much support just need to play it at the proper time and you can sweep

>>32279125
I've attempted using it, the thing can hold up for a few battles but it craps out a lot. It's ok but it doesn't really belong in OU.

>>32279122
The problem is that if you run defog you kill your own hazards and spikes are good af right now.

>>32279147
Not in OU but anon was talking about Mono Bug and now since pheromosa is gone gotta use at least one shitmon on a 6 Bug-type team

>>32279149
obviously if you're running a hazard stacking team you wouldn't be running defog, but at that point you shouldn't be running defensive scizor anyway

>>32279180
Yeah but that's what I meant, you can't have a full team of viable bugs, because if new non-mega ones are good, they're either the "too good for OU, too shit in Ubers" variety or the "better than UU but only barely hanging onto OU's asshair" variety.

>>32279199
nigger why do you care about optimal picks when you're playing fucking monobug

>>32279211
I'd say it's because the one thing that was letting him win with such a shitty type just got wrenched away from him

>>32279211
I don't I was just defending the other anon's position. I'd never put myself through the torture of trying to use mono-fucking-bug.
>>32279220
I don't run monobug.

>>32279092
>>Araquanid
Piece of complete shit.
Z-Buginium Venomoth is actually good tho.

>>32279011
Bug is a weird typing. Most of the moms who have it are only good because of their secondary typing.
>Scizor's only bug move that's actually viable is u-turn
>Volcorona doesn't even run Bug Buzz all of the time
>Pinsir literally has no bug moves of note
>Buzzwole's fighting stab is it's primary tool although that might just be because it doesn't get MegaHorn
Bug is an ass type that just happens to get the best fucking possible secondary typings

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>>32279226
I wonder why it's so awful in singles but it's so incredible in doubles.

>>32279236
Doubles is weather and trick room heaven, sneaky pebbles don't exist, etc.

>>32279235

Well in the case of Scizor, Bug makes it so that Fire is its only weakness.

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>>32279220
>>32279211
>>32279199
>>32279189
>>32279180
You don't have to use OU mons at all if you build a monotype team.
I built a mono bug team that I used in ORAS OU.
I managed to get to 1600 with it. Most of the mons I used were not OU at all. Armaldo is a total shitmon but becomes really valuable in the team.
Viability rankings do not count if you do a mono. It's a completely different teambuilding approach.

>>32279236
Works that way with almost all mons. Magearna is pretty good in OU, but was banned within a week in DOU. Pheromosa was a machine in OU but is entirely irrelevant in both VGC and DOU.

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>>32279253
nice names

except for ATATATA, should've just stuck with the fug :DDDD type names

>>32279247
Steel/Bug is a fucking disgusting typing, yeah. Can't really think of any typing that really benefits from Bug the way that Steel does.

>>32279245
Ah, weather. Reminds me of gen 5.
>>32279278
Phero is still used somewhat often in VGC and has been on many championship teams, although not as much as Celesteela and Kartana.

>>32278965
no it wont

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>>32279345
>The insanely fast physical fighting type being banned won't help the slow, physically weak, 4x weak to fighting mon

>>32279356
Vulnerable to physical attacks is what I meant by physically weak, before any autists try to nitpick it

>>32279281
Thank you ! That was a nice post :3

>>32279068
Man, I haven't seen this pasta in a while

>>32278776
Here, let me fix that for you, clueless.
>It took six fucking months for people to discover a set that made this thing banworthy
more like bad players

>>32278978
>fury cutter

>>32279245
I guess that's why GF insisted so much on Doubles this gen, it's the meta they want everyone to play. But as usual they only have one field of vision.

>>32279356
You're forgetting that with Pheromosa gone, other things will be popping up in its place. Probably steels, Greninjas, and fairies, and Keldeo too. All of which Tyranitar despises.

>>32279065
Smogon bans are like domino pieces. Something gets banned, then something else that has a strong presence in the tier becomes even more threatening because it gets rid of the said banned pokemon. Anything that Pheromosa kept in check is now even more viable. It wont take long until they pull another suspect test, which is going to have the same effect.

>>32279399
The guy that came up with the QD Normalium Z set must have really hated Toxapex

>>32279562

It's more that OU is a broken mess full of clearly unhealthy mons and each ban merely exposes more and more how cancerous the tier is

>>32279562
Greninja and Megagross would have been suspected regardless of a Pheromosa ban.

>>32279562
le slippery slope

>>32279562
>>32279590
Tier between OU and Ubers when?

>>32279877
>this again
Stop being retarded

>>32279906
Name ONE (1) problem with a tier for things too good for OU but too shit for Ubers.

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>>32279002
REEEEEEEEEE FUCK OFF

US GRASS-FAGS GET NOTHING

DO YOU HEAR ME???

N O T H I N G

WE'RE ON SUICIDE WATCH ALONG WITH ICEFAGS

>>32279924
it'd just be OU without most of it's bans, which would make having them banned in the first place entirely pointless

Why tf does this thing even learn Ice Beam? It would have actual counters without that being a possibility.

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>>32279950
Mega Sceptile will be out soon and it outspeeds Tapu Koko and Ash-Grenigger.

>block Volt Switch thanks to Lightning Rod

>>32279950
You have Serperior :^)

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I don't understand.

Landorus-T has been omnipresent since the beginning of the gen. Mega Metagross is fucking everywhere. Greninja is scrubby and stupid.

So instead of getting rid of these guys first they try and remove Duggy (probably because some admin doesn't like it) and now it's Pheromosa, a top 5 threat if that.

Fucking hell, I'm fine with getting rid of things that are too strong, but it always seems like some Pokemon are too precious to the 3 people who decide who gets suspected next. Their priorities are whack.

>>32280058
Mega Sceptile is weak as shit and Tapu can start running Dazzling Gleam.

>>32279950
wtf are you talking about grass is better than its ever been retard

>>32280108
I think it's fucking stupid that anyone with admin power has say over what everyone in the world gets to play in what tier, they have even more power than Nintendo over its own game

smogon has its advantages but they are no better than the US congress
Maybe it's time someone stepped up and made a second sim as good as theirs

>>32278754
>hurr I hate challenges-smogon

>>32280108
>What is Ice Move on prediction?
>What is Scarf?
>>32280058
Those can actually be prepared for. Building for Lando is pretty easy, and guessing Lando sets wrong doesn't lose you the game outright, unless it's Double Dance or Z-Fly, and you should play like it's one of those until you can tell it isn't anyway. There's also the whole "Lando is the best Lando counter" thing, but that's not really that bad. M-Gross is everywhere because it's the only really good offense Mega right now, and now it's STABs are actually good now. Gren is dumb and will get kicked back out eventually, but it's manageable-ish right now. People were bitching about Duggy 'cause Stall was good at the time and they needed a Scape Goat, but everyone got over it more or less when they realized Stall is bad this gen with Z-Moves, and now no one gives a shit.

You can't predict what set Phero is from Team Preview. Ever. It doesn't compete for a slot with anything other than its own sets. Guessing wrong about what set Phero is, or what it's about to do once Phero comes in means you lose at LEAST one mon, if not the whole game, because every single Phero set can sweep if it needs to, even Scarf pivot sets, because of Beast Boost. It's so fucking fast, if it gets a Speed BB, you aren't hitting it again without priority. Scarfers can't revenge kill most sets, so banking on that is unreliable. Despite having the second worst bulk in history, it's typing and small amount of bulk allows to survive most priority attacks in the tier, even after Rocks and several layers of spikes in some cases while OHKOing in return, and even then Sash is still a set and Lele exists. There's nothing in OU that walls every set (not 2HKO'd), and letting shit back like Aegislash in because it walls Phero is fucking retarded. Phero is perfect at what it does. The only real way to make it better would be to give it Earth Power, E-Speed and more stats.

>>32280310
>and guessing Lando sets wrong doesn't lose you the game outright, unless it's Double Dance or Z-Fly
yeah and guessing phero's set wrong doesn't lose you the game unless it's QD, fuck off
lando is the exact same shit but it doesn't get banned because its defensive set checks half the fucking dex
it's the epitome of "centralizing" but it's never gonna get banned because it's a crutch for bad team builders

>>32280310
>>32280558
to add to that, the only reason its offensive sets aren't as popular is because its defensive set is almost mandatory
if people could run 2 fucking landos, they would

This thread:

>I don't understand Smogon. I hate it.

Yeah. Gen 7 OU is cancer. More things need looked at. But 5 people don't get to decide what to ban. People who play the game get to vote.

Now. Let's move on to the next issue.

VGC. :^)

>>32280558
this, so much.

smogonlion/tiger/bear/ohmy has been cancer since it's introduction.

>>32278754
F

So I know not much competivite, which game is better for it with the ultra beasts?

which one has this pokemon?

>>32280742
Moon

>>32279590
Maybe people should just embrace the cancer that Pokemon battling has become.

>>32280755
so is moon better because it has this sexy jetsons alien disc body thing?

>>32280777
AG exists.
VGC exists.
Battle Spot exists.
There's many formats for people like you.

>>32280780
-Celesteela is the most versatile of the UBs. Well rounded stat distro and wide movepool lets it run bulky, defensive, or sweeper sets with Automatize
-Pheromosa is Deoxys-lite stat wise
-Lunalla's ability is a Multiscale clone and Ghost is one of the best STABs in the game.

>>32280890
Idk what that means for a lot of that but I'm assuming it's good?
what does sun have

>>32278979
>No mention of the god Mega Pinsir

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>>32280966
>infernape has always been my scarfer of choice
>mega pinsir shows up

>>32280963
>Solgaleo, it's good but not as good as Lunala
>Buzzwole, again competitive players don't think it's very good
>Kartana, heard it was good in VGC, but not on Smogon, if you care

>>32278754
>>32279399
What was the set that banned it?

>>32282215

Quiver Dance w/Fightnium-Z or Normalium-Z

>>32282154
>Solgaleo

You mean a worse metagross right?

>>32282154
oh ok
well I guess I should get moon then

>>32282243
I prefer Moon but the UBs shouldn't be the only reason either.

Do you prefer Midday Lycanroc or Midnight?
A-Ninetales or A-Sandslash?
Sun exclusives for old gen pokemon (off the top of my head) Garchomp, Whimsicott...and that's all I remember lol.
Moon exclusives (ditto) Lilligant, Metagross, Goodra(?)

I can't remember every one.

>>32282231
But wouldnt it die while setting up?

>>32282277
Not like it's rock/ground

>>32282277
That's what everyone thought, but in practice Phero forces switches really well so it's actually not hard to get a QD off and beat something's face in, giving it a another boost from its ability

>>32282274
Do remember that Lycanroc is not actually exclusive unless it's a Rockruff being evolved.

>>32282277

It's really easy to set up with Pheromosa due to the switches it forces.

And it can survive weaker neutral hits.

>>32282274
um
I guess I like ninetales better but cant i just breed that?
I have all the other ones in Y

>>32282358
I don't think you can get Alolan Nitales in Y m8

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>>32282232
>Worse Metagross
Why do people say this? Have they even seen his movepool? If Solgalo was aloud in OU, hes going to tear up the tier limb from limb.

>>32278894
Next will be a Megagross test, which will ban it, then Lele, who will be turbobanned. Maybe fini after that but not sure.

>>32282374
no I mean the other ones like garchomp and whimsicot I have in Y
I mean that you breed white vulpix and trade then breed lots of white vulpix

>>32282402
The only thing he can do better than Mega Metagross is hold an item, that's literally it

>>32278754
>andthe tiger genie is still there
and I thought gen 6 smogon was shit

>>32282411
>fini

Literally 0 chance, it's nowhere near that good. the frog is definitely going after gross

>>32282411
>fini
In what way is fini broken?
Greninja would probably get suspected before lele too.

>>32278754
>and the tiger genie is still there

and I thought gen 6 smogon was shit

>>32282411
>100% accuracy steel STAB with built-in Mold Breaker
>Fie nuke for Mega Scizor
>Immune to intimidate/stick web
>Items

M-Metagross is shit comparatively

>>32282243
dont get moon, the sun exclusives are better
dayroc>nightroc
snowtales>>snowslash
buzzwole>>>>>>>>pheromosa
kartana=celesteela
lunala=solgaleo

>>32282494
Don't forget that it gets walled by more pokemon

Metagross has 4 more syndrome that you wall it by relying it doesn't have THAT move

>>32282494
Are you comparing Megagross to Solgaleo

>the comparison is actually fair because they have about the same BST

what the fuck megas were a mistake

>>32282565
Adding to this, should they allow D-tier cover legendaries to drop to OU? They could add a restricted clause like VGC 16, disallowing more that 1-2 per team.

>>32282533
im confused now
also i dont like lycanroc at all in any form

>>32282440
That alone makes him 10x better than Metagross tho.
>>32282543
Solgaleo gets walled by more things? Have you forgotten its immune to Intimidate? A Banded set will have like zero reliable switchins.

>>32278754
Who the fuck voted to not ban

>>32282584
>Arceus Bug, FIghting, Fire, Flying, Psychic
>Deoxys and Deoxys-D
>Genesect
>Normal Groudon
>Landorus-I

Half of these outside of the Arceuses already got kicked out of OU for being bullshit there

>>32282606
>Let me get a Meteor Mash boost real quick

Now i'm banded and not locked

>>32282641
>it missed!
Sure buddy

>>32282295
>>32282310
>>32282352
And here I thought the only item that could really work on it is focus sash

>>32282533
Snow tails and snow slash are meant to be on the same team goy.

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>>32282688
tfw your Metagross misses a Meteor Mash against a Koko/Bulu/anything with Eathquake

>>32280310
>There's also the whole "Lando is the best Lando counter" thing, but that's not really that bad

Kill yourself.

Lando is cancer, as is smogon for defending it and/or removing its counters at every opportunity.

They just banned Phero, which just so happened to be able to kill/counter Lando. Just watch them ban Mega-Metagross next.

>>32282893

>252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pheromosa: 208-246 (73.4 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Nice "counter"

>>32282440
actual fire coverage

>>32282893
>which just so happened to be able to kill/counter Lando

Anything with over 100 spa and ice beam kills lando

>>32282916
That retard called pheromosa a counter. He obviously has no idea what he is taking about or is just shitposting.

>>32282916
>semantics

Obviously I didn't mean it was a literal counter you fucking retard. But it can come in with ease on things like HP ice, stealth rock, swords dance, etc. and either outright OHKO it or, if a switch is expected, quiver dance.

>Pheromosa has the ability to shit on Landorus
>Can also shit on the rest of the entire goddamn tier except Toxapex and some easily worn down ghosts
>FUCKING SMOGON THIS IS BECAUSE IT BEATS LANDORUS

Retarded

>>32283076
>even Toxapex isn't all that reliable because of the Normalium-Z set

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I said giving a mini deoxys quiver dance would make it OP and banned when all the stats and movesets were revealed. Everyone on here shit on me.

>oh it will never be able to get a dance off
>your just a sub 1XXX player kys
>phero wont be good it doesnt have the stats deoxys-A does

I was totally fucking right.

>>32283310
Now imagine it had something stupid like knock off

>>32283691
Which it'll totally get when tutors roll around

>>32283076
>>32283310
Nigger there's people here that think marshadow is going to be anything but completely fucking broken.

>>32282634
Not familiar with the whole metagame in smogon but why is Landorus-I such a big threat? What does it do with what moveset?

>>32282277

it forces out half the metagame by its mere presence. It can unironically afford to setup, even with its paper defenses.

People tend to forget when it comes to banning things, you're not fighting just Pheromosa, you're fighting Pheromosa+5 other pokemon that are fully willing to support it or kill its counters/checks until I can send in Pheromosa and sweep you.

>>32282543
Well lets do it like this then.
Metagross
>thunder punch
>ice punch
>hammer arm
>Higher base damage output with tough claws.
>110 speed

Solgaleo
>Flare blitz
>Stone miss (Meta doesn't have this)
>Sunsteel Strike
>Calm mind
>Morning sun
>Metal burst
>Ridiculous HP
>Thunderbolt
>Thunder wave
>Leftovers
>Choice band
>Choice scarf

It has 113 spa it could easily run that. As per usual box legends are fucking retarded.

>>32283938
Think Nidoking, but stronger and without the crippling speed issue

>>32282533
>Buzzwole better than Phero

In what fucking universe. We're talking facts, not opinions guy.

>>32284104
Is metal burst really a selling point?

>>32284131
It can score a cheap kill on occasion, its better than not having it. Its one of its better options against primal groudon for instance, since EQ doesn't ohko it.

>>32279082
Interestingly enough Buzzwole is basically the only thing that can switch in on Marshadow.
Shame it can't actually hurt it but still.

>>32279291
Rock and Bug cover a good deal of each others weaknesses.

>>32284107
Interesting. From all that I've gathered from this threads if I run Pheromosa, Landorus-I and Megagross I should be able to tear Battlespot singles a new asshole, hopefully I wasn't meme'd.

>>32284285
3v3 is a different kettle entirely. Besides you have even more retarded things there. Get your megamences going lad.

>>32284237
I wonder how fast will Marshadow be banned. It baffles me that the same people who created your average alola shitmon also created that OP motherfucker. It's like they the guy who created Garchomp came back for 5 minutes to make him.

>>32284331
Marshadow is going 1 of 2 ways: Busted as shit a la Genesect, or hyped but eventually settle into A-B rank a la Volcanion

>>32284379
friend it's going full skymin, none of this genesect shitmon shit.

>>32284392
I dunno, I feel like people are riding the hype train of "UNRESISTED STAB". 125 attack and speed are good, but not overwhelming. Then again, I could be overlooking something. It looks solid, but not broken

>>32284404
ghost/fighting STAB with priority technician shadow sneak, Spectral Thief is fucking dumb, and close combat is really nice.

>>32284404
125 speed and tech STAB shadow sneak. Vast majority of the faster threats in ubers also happen to be psychic or ghost type. Has ample options to dick with the few things that can reliably come in on it, hp ice for megamence and zygarde-mech. Rock tomb for ho-oh. It has its own unique z-move for a 195 bp ghost nuke that when coupled with bulk up, literally nothing can handle. Can 2hko the standard primal groudon set on a choice band setup with close combat which is obscene. Generates switches out the ass as coupling its immunity to espeed and its speed it can just force niggers out or they die. Deceptively bulky.
I can't think of a flaw.

>>32284331
i'm sure Marshadow will be banned from monotype

>>32280005
There's too many Pokemon to have it consolidate into so little tiers

>>32282274
>What is Google

>>32284469
No adaptability :^)

>>32280686
they get to vote which is why Dugtrio did not get banned. they don't get to nominate which is why Dugtrio got nominated.

>>32278965

I think this will hurt Tyranitar unfortunately. (S)he'll be back to top tier OU eventually. Not in the immediate future though.

>>32279950
>Tapu Bulu
>Kartana
>Serperior
>ferrothorn
>tangrowth
please actually play the meta before participating in these threads

>>32282533
Buzzwole is strictly worse in most instances, unless you want a slow physical tank.
Kartana certainly doesn't equal Celesteela. Kartana is only good in VGC doubles, while Celesteela is good in special battle, singles, doubles, and VGC doubles.
Lunala is flat out better than Solgaleo. Solgaleo isn't shit but Lunala has an excellent ability and offensive power.
The others are common breedables (alolan forms) or not actually exclusive (lycanroc)

>>32283310
>Arguing with /v "Fini is going to be RU since she can't scald" p/

>>32284404
Name a single switch in to Marshadow.

>>32286609
toxapex

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>Best bug too overpowered for the overpowered tier
I always knew I made the right choice with Moon

>>32286617
>252 SpA Life Orb Technician Marshadow Hidden Power Electric vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Toxapex: 146-172 (48 - 56.5%) -- 27% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
:^)
Memeing aside yeah I guess Toxapex is the only one to fit the category.

Been kind of out of the loop, has talk of banning tapu lele come up yet? Fuck this shit.

>>32286617
what a coincidence, sounds just like a certain mon that just got banned

>>32286640
>+1 252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Toxapex: 252-297 (82.8 - 97.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

Marshadow can get around Toxapex with Bulk Up + 7 Star Strike, basically the same way Pheromosa got around it with QD + Z-Hyper Beam.

>>32286640
>>32286617
Bulk Up set fucks up pex so nope
>+1 252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Toxapex: 252-297 (82.8 - 97.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

>>32279399
This.

VGC players were already running around with that set within weeks of S/M being released.

Wake me up when they suspect test Landorus-T

>>32286917
never gonna happen since it's not broken

>>32283938
Coverage is too insane, good sped tier plus sheer force life orb meme makes it so nothing walls it.

>>32286917
Never.
Lando-T toes the line between good and overpowering. It's just good enough to be extremely usable but not good enough to be terribly hard to take down with most meta teams. It is the absolute balance.

>>32286928

>tops usage charts for three generations
>not broken

>>32286945
>doesn't know what broken means
kek

>>32286945
>Overused Pokemon is Overused
woah.....

>>32284237
It looks like it'll be a good check to the frog though, outspeeds before scarf, battle bond. Interested to see if it gets banned and how fast.

>>32286945
Broken would imply it's an unstoppable sweeper or an immovable wall that basically signals defeat upon being sent out against some teams. Lando-T is "just good enough," and it's the only one that fills the role of "just good enough" so there isn't a substitute Pokemon to take its place. Thus, it is used a lot but not broken.

>>32282765
If you run eq bulu youre retarded

>>32286640
It's definitely going to use it's fourth slot for either Rock Tomb, HP Ice (LO sets can OHKO standard bulky Landorus after Rocks without investment, you can invest something like 52 EVs to guarantee the OHKO from full HP), or possibly Bulking Up on the switch.

The reason to run HP Electric probably won't be to hit Toxapex since STAB Spectral Thief does more damage, it'll be to hit Gyarados switch ins. Intimidate softens its Ghost attacks and it resists Close Combat so maybe Bulky DD sets will be able to force switches.

>>32284285
>if I run Pheromosa, Landorus-I and Megagross I should be able to tear Battlespot singles a new asshole

No you will not haha.

Sheer Force Lando-I is illegal in official formats, which practically makes Lando-I useless.

Pheromosa is irrelevant in BSS and is a major casualty of the Item Clause, since she needs to run Sash or Fightinium Z to be useful in 3v3 singles, but there are far better Sash users (Garchomp) and Fightinium Z users (Thundurus-T), so nobody fucking uses her.

Mega Metagross is the only one of the 3 who wouldn't be a waste of a slot in BSS, but he gets easily walled by Cresselia and offensive P2, and gets revenge killed by Mimikyu, Aegislash, and Mega Gengar.

One thing you can do though is run Mega Metagross with Hydreigon, since they have wonderful synergy and cover each others weaknesses perfectly. BSS regulars call the combination of the two Dreigross.

You can also throw Togekiss into the mix for a nice Steel/Fairy/Dragon core.

>>32284312
>le megamence broken meme

I swear to god, smogonites have apotheosised mons like Mega Mence and Mega Geng to ridiculous levels, they aren't anywhere as good as you think they are, not in the official formats anyway. Garchomp is better than Mega Mence in 3v3, Mimikyu is better than Mega Geng in 3v3.

>>32287412
Phero is still one of the most used Pokemon in BSS. It only drops in doubles.

She was too beautiful for ou garbage anyway.

>>32287412
What's the verdict on Mega Mawile, Kang, Gyara and Gyara-Lite? Or non Megas like Volcarona, Stingulor and PZ?

>>32287412
>they aren't anywhere as good as you think they are, not in the official formats anyway
it's almost as if smogon is mainly a 6 v 6 singles format, you braindead fucking moron