I used to like Pokemon until I came to /vp/

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I like it even more than before I came to /vp/

>>32264527
this desu
the porn makes it better

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I still like it, but I'm losing interest because of GF being shit developers. I probably won't buy the next main series games.

>>32264518
the constant negativity and high bar that the elitist /vp/ fag has made me enjoy less the games.

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If you cannot like pokemon for any other reason, then at least like the creatures themselves. If you cannot do that, then it is over.

I mostly lurk since a lot of the threads just shitpost/don't interest me.

I only come here for shitposting and lewd discussion

I will never not desire loving a poke

>>32264518
I still like Pokemon but I spend way more time in this trap than on main series

>>32264518
/vp/ made me appreciate pokemon sexually. Now I love the series much more than I would have otherwise.

>>32264609
This desu, I only like pokemon for their designs anymore, the games started to become kinda boring for me

>>32264518
This isn't the same thing as wanting to stop playing the games but...the constant faggotry over the most meaningless shit, like the Owl vs. Firecat wars, the almost continual "SERENA A SHIT, AMOURFAGS ARE CANCER REEEEEEE" threads, the loli/pedobait threads, all the fartposting any time someone posts a Pokegirl who's depicted with a larger than average posterior, among other things just make me feel ashamed of even being associated with Pokemon. The sad thing is, this board is still the LEAST shitty place on the internet to talk about this franchise, despite all the cancer we have here. Pokemon fans have a reputation as spoiled brat kids (or immature adults) who are fighting over their toys, and oftentimes the ridiculous shit I see going on here or other shitholes just ends up validating that image so many people have.

>>32264518
i only uses /vp/ for finding smutfiction and porn [/spoiler]sometimes just cute images

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>>32264518
Seeing the mindless masses of /vp/ go about hating every little irrelevant thing has given me much more appreciation of Pokemon. There were instances where something I used to dislike has become a favorite of mine as I played its defense just for the fun of it. Pokemon like Charizard, games like SM and even XY to some extant. I have, at one point or another, played defense for anything I come across simply to kill some time, and that sometimes results in me having a greater appreciation of whatever I was defending as I try to highlight all the positives.

That is not to say it's all been just positive, though. There are things I used to like that I've come to hate due to /vp/. Amidst those arguments, there are times when the one I'm arguing just makes better points and convinces me that the negative of a game outweigh the positives. For example, my previously second favorite game in the series, BW, is one I do not like anymore. I liked it mostly for the story, and having the ridiculous number of flaws with it laid out before me, it significantly made my replay of the game worse. Things I had previously suspended my disbelief to are now much more apparent. There's also things I have come to not care about due to overexposure on /vp/. Such as the Alolan starters or female protagonist of BW and SM.

So I'm not sure what to make of this. I think overall, I've gained more appreciation for the series than I've lost.

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>>32264518
/vp/ has taught me to appreciate all pokemon, even those I might not find appealing at first, since there's always somebody out there that loves it and are ready to discuss the things that make it their favorite, on top of the fanart most mons get. It has made me appreciate the games I hated before, seeing the bright side in all of them, and giving me an optimistic view of the future of pokemon, and not to mention love even more my favorite titles.

/vp/ overall has made me enjoy pokemon so much more, mostly because I don't take the spergs and shitposters too seriously, so I end up getting a surprising amount of positivity from this site. I'm very happy I found this place, as it reinvigorated my love for the series and helped me get through some other stuff.

also the lewds are great

>>32264532

you guys are...

really...

>I'm barafag but this shit is just...

>>32266273
>this guy again
what if I told you I want to get coiled by grass snake and eat a primarina's butthole?

>>32264518
/vp/ has taught me to not be a mindless gamefreak cocksucking drone.

>>32266299
>poison gas is now affected by liquid voice
how does the meta change?

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>>32266295
>>32266299
>>32266306

>>32266021
>The sad thing is, this board is still the LEAST shitty place on the internet to talk about this franchise, despite all the cancer we have here.
This desu.
The sheer concentration of shitposting on this board is cancerous, but I haven't yet found a more active/autistic community for trading or VGC discussion, and even PMDG is way better than /r/mysterydungeon or any other community on the matter.

>>32266303
=a guy who enjoys the games?

>>32266367
you can enjoy the games and still acknowledge their flaws

>>32264518
/vp/ makes me like Pokemon even more because it's the board I belong the most on 4chan, and memes aside it's one of the least trash Pokemon discussion forums.

But you're an autist if /vp/ legitimately makes you like Pokemon less than you did.

>>32266021
this
If you take those threads as the only thing they're good for (for keks) you might find it slightly more entertaining though.

>>32264518
How do people let fandoms influence their opinions like this? I just do not understand it. I still like Undertale, Steven Universe and other shit Tumblr has "ruined", because I just ignore it. It's not that hard

>>32266439
to be fair, /sug/ is 100% cancer. You can't blame it all on Tumblr

>>32266439
Annoyance? Overexposure? Difference in opinion of a noticeably large portion, which might affect the future releases? There are many reasons. Shouldn't be hard to understand. Fanbase is, to some extant, part of the show. Unless you're not going to interact with it at all, which is impossible unless you stop using internet and never meet people, the fanbase will affect you.

>I still like Undertale, Steven Universe
Consider suicide. No wonder you can't grasp a simple concept.

>>32266463
>Annoyance? Overexposure?
Easily ignored
>Difference in opinion of a noticeably large portion, which might affect the future releases?
When has Gamefreak ever listened to anything fans say?
>Fanbase is, to some extant, part of the show.
No, it's not. It never has been. You act like a person who insists on Smogon rules as official rather then playing however you want. You act like you absolutely must and need to interact with something because you like it or because someone disagrees with you. And all that does is create more bitching and more cancer in the fandom

>>32266439
fandoms usually show their true colors and are more cynical toward the franchise

>>32264518
I was cool with VP until 80% of the board became faggots around the time SM was released. A bad game is a bad game guys, just cause you're a fan doesn't mean you have to mindlessly defend it.

>32266505
>87 on metacritic
>No poll on /vp/ has ever had a majority of dislikes
>VP
Your bait is weak and puny. No (You) for you. Come back when you have enough badges to shitpost here.

>>32266498
>Easily ignored
And? Just because you can ignore them doesn't make these non-problems.

>When has Gamefreak ever listened to anything fans say?
More often than you would think.

>No, it's not. It never has been.
How so? It's the primary influence of the series, and exactly what the developers are trying to please. Depending on the fanbase, the series will shift. That is a fact. Other than that, once you get through the product, in this case the game, until the next game comes out, chances are that your primary interaction with the series will be with its fanbase. Fanbase is important on many levels. It might not be the most important thing, but it plays a part. Even if you don't want to accept it.

>You act like you absolutely must and need to interact with something because you like it or because someone disagrees with you.
You don't need to. But the majority do. You are doing the same yourself. It's hard to avoid interaction with the fanbase "unless you stop using internet and never meet people". If you can avoid it, good for you. You aren't everyone.

>>32266521
>Just because you can ignore them doesn't make these non-problems.
it's only a problem if you acknowledge them though. I don't have to let other people dictate my own opinion, and neither do you
>More often than you would think.
They have literally never listened to fans. Name a time they have
>It's the primary influence of the series, and exactly what the developers are trying to please.
No, it's really not. I'm not sure what Pokemon game where you actually fuck your waifu-mon with a harder difficulty option and multiple regions but send me a copy.
>your primary interaction with the series will be with its fanbase.
No shit? I am aware but I don't need to, it's only if i want to. And if I hate the fanbase, why the fuck would a keep interacting with it?
>It's hard to avoid interaction with the fanbase "unless you stop using internet and never meet people"
Not really. I have more than one hobby, as do most people. And if you are implying that everyone on this board is so genuinely Autistic and Pokemon is their special interest that they just can not mentally escape from, you are genuinely retarded. If people on this board do not like this board, they should leave, not stay and say how shit the board is. Like I said, all that does is create more bitching and more cancer in the fandom

>>32266021
>this board is still the LEAST shitty place
>they need to believe this

>>32266545
>it's only a problem if you acknowledge them though
Yeah, no shit. If you ignore the problem, you're ignoring the problem.

>They have literally never listened to fans. Name a time they have
I can go for more obvious examples, such as not trying to go for a BW approach of a region full of new Pokemon with no older Pokemon available again, because it did poorly, or more irrelevant ones, such stopping with cross-generation evolutions altogether. The list is pretty big.

>No, it's really not. I'm not sure what Pokemon game where you actually fuck your waifu-mon with a harder difficulty option and multiple regions
Being illogical doesn't exactly help your argument. The latter two are just not possible with the time they have to work with, while the first one is something the vast majority don't want. And even then, the number of waifumons have grown greatly over years. Feminine Pokemon have always been a thing, like Jigglypuff or Jynx, but not they're taking a completely different approach with them, like with Tsareen or Salazzle. This is the influence of the fanbase.

>I am aware but I don't need to, it's only if i want to.
No shit?

>And if I hate the fanbase, why the fuck would a keep interacting with it?
Because it's pretty much the only interaction you can have with the series in-between the games? You can stop interacting, but not everyone will. No one just consumes something and forgets about it. People like talking about their interests.

>I have more than one hobby, as do most people
Good for you. Again, you might not like talking about your hobbies, but you're not everyone.

>if people on this board do not like this board, they should leave
And go where? Yes, I hate the all the shitposting you get on this board, but I prefer that to the dick sucking you get on others. If there's something I don't like about this board, criticizing that, ot as you put it, "calling the board shit" is better than doing nothing.

>>32266628
>not trying to go for a BW approach of a region full of new Pokemon with no older Pokemon available again
Or they just slowed down on making new pokemon. SM has the lowest number of returning pokemon in the series, even less the BW.
>stopping with cross-generation evolutions altogether.
Eviolite. They stopped because of eviolite.
>like with Tsareen or Salazzle.
Yeah or Toucannon or Komala. People always complain when the Pokemon is literally jsut an animal, and they don't care. They make pokemon how they want, we have no control.
>Because it's pretty much the only interaction you can have with the series in-between the games?
Right, but if I hate the fanbase, why would i bother to keep interacting with them? I could just not talk about it or talk about something else. You are saying that I NEED to talk about it. That everyone just NEEDS to talk to a room of people they hate if it's about something they want. Why do you think that? Would do you think that you NEED to be a part of a thing you despise because it's loosely connected to a thing you like? Why knowingly make yourself miserable when you could just not do that?
>"calling the board shit" is better than doing nothing.
No, because that just makes the board shittier. Don't complain about AIDS being an epidemic when you are balls deep in a Green Chimp, you're actively contributing to the problem while pretending you are helping

Once again, nobody should let their opinion be influenced because the fandom is shit. Pokemon is still fun, just because someone wants to fuck a Gardevoir does not mean Pokemon is less fun. Stop letting other people's opinions affect yours

>>32266692
>Or they just slowed down on making new pokemon
Not really. They've started to focus on older Pokemon, rather than removing them, thus doing the opposite of BW because everyone complained about the new Pokemon in BW. You might not think of them as such, but Mega forms and Regional forms are the result of that.They're new designs, with different stats and abilities.

>Eviolite
Yeah, a thing they added in the games. It wasn't some mistake. It was conscious decision they made, because cross-generation evolutions weren't a thing.

>People always complain when the Pokemon is literally just an animal
More than half of Generation I Pokemon are just animals, and they're the most popular. There are people who complain, but there are many more who like them.

>Don't complain about AIDS
Not even remotely the same thing. One is behavior, something criticize can affect. Complaining about AIDS is never going to achieve anything.

>Right, but if I hate the fanbase...
Then DON'T.

You're asking why do people talk to each other about their common interest in something, thus creating a "fanbase". I ALMOST can't believe I have to explain this. The fanbase isn't about you. No one cares about you. If you dislike the fanbase, don't interact. Not everyone thinks that this fanbase is nothing but cancer, there are people who enjoy being part of it. The ones who hate it just aren't a part of it. Then there's a middle ground. People who like talking about their favorite things, but dislike the current state of fanbase. They have no choice but to be a part of it if they want to talk about what they enjoy. And since they dislike the current state of the fanbase, they criticize it. You're basically asking why does this middle ground exists. People should either not interact at all, or enjoy the fanbase. That's being retarded. There can be people who dislike the state of the fanbase, but like talking about their interests. Yeah, surprise.

I'm done. This isn't an argument.

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butt's! big butt's! i want them all!

>>32266766
>Complaining about AIDS is never going to achieve anything.
And you accomplish so much complaining about a fanbase right?

>If you dislike the fanbase, don't interact.
Yeah, I've said that no less than 3 times here.

>The ones who hate it just aren't a part of it
Right, but they contribute to discussions and and talk in the threads, but no, they aren't part of the fandom. Really?

>This isn't an argument.
No, you're right because you are too stupid to understand what I am typing

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>>32266521
>>32266545
>>32266628
>>32266692
>>32266766
>>32266786
>all these long essays over something so fucking unimportant
Yeah, you guys actually did a good job of making >>32266021's point for him.

>>32266766
I'm using that last paragraph as a copypasta

>>32266774
I like ass as much as the next man, but I do like some body diversity

>>32266790
You're asking why do people talk to each other about their common interest in something, thus creating a "fanbase". I ALMOST can't believe I have to explain this. The fanbase isn't about you. No one cares about you. If you dislike the fanbase, don't interact. Not everyone thinks that this fanbase is nothing but cancer, there are people who enjoy being part of it. The ones who hate it just aren't a part of it. Then there's a middle ground. People who like talking about their favorite things, but dislike the current state of fanbase. They have no choice but to be a part of it if they want to talk about what they enjoy. And since they dislike the current state of the fanbase, they criticize it. You're basically asking why does this middle ground exists. People should either not interact at all, or enjoy the fanbase. That's being retarded. There can be people who dislike the state of the fanbase, but like talking about their interests. Yeah, surprise.

I'm done. This isn't an argument.

>>32266791
Eat a dick, I beat you to it

>>32266790
Best post

>>32266790
They're not arguing over whether or not Lyra's ass tastes like Cotton candy or why Baracat can't be real and tuck me in at night, they're arguing over a groups opinion on an individual.

Everything in this life is unimportant, even more so on this board. Might as well keep your hands busy so they can't tie a noose

>>32266790
>>32266797
>Samefagging this hard.

>>32264518
I haven't played Pokemon for about 10 years. Clicked on /vp/ a couple months ago on accident and stayed for the autism.

>>32266814
Oh this must be a good thread for you

Take a seat, grab some popcorn

>>32266793
Uh I don't know why you're replying to me anon, but I wasn't the guy who was arguing with you.

>>32266786
>Right, but they contribute to discussions and and talk in the threads, but no, they aren't part of the fandom. Really?
What DID he mean by this?

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>>32266808
Nah.
>inb4 "nice edit" (I'm on a mobile device so no access to debug or inspect mode or whatever it is people supposedly use)

>>32266829
Because the copypasta fit. I'm not either of the faggots, I just wanted to use the copy pastsa before >>32266791

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>>32266803
>they're arguing over a groups opinion on an individual
I fail to see how that's much better.

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>>32264518
That's just on you. I loved BW and I played before discovering /vp/. 2011 and 2012 was the best.

GF just got bad at making the games, that's all.

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>>32266261
You. I like you.

/vp/ may be a shithole now. But one day it will be better like from old times.

I love ALL THE DRAWFAGS here!

>>32266836
If you make posts, like pokemon, and are a fna of Pokemon, yeah, you'd be part of the pokemon fandom.

>>32266842
It's all pointless I mean. Saying somehting is unimportant on this Vietnamese photocopy board is stupid

>>32266846
>But one day it will be better like from old times.
Oh, the tripfagging olde days of /vp/. How I miss them. That was what I would call pure autism.

>>32266853
Well regarding unimportant, it's more in relation to the topic of the board, not in relation to what's important overall in life

>>32266859
So you're saying you would rather have people arguing over whether or not Lyra's ass tastes like Cotton candy then arguing about fandoms in general because Lyra's ass is more Pokemon related?

>>32266878
The anon who was "arguing" about the fandom here. And yes, I would much rather see arguments about Lyra's ass taste than this autism. Discussion about Lyra's ass sounds like something I would read much more willingly and participate in than having to explain what a fandom is.

/vp/ introduced me to competitive play. Now I can't play the games anymore without being autistic about stats and softresetting for good IVs.
This could happen on any other forum though, but still, I don't have any fun playing the games anymore.

>>32266859
>>32266914
I am glad neither of you will ever reproduce

>>32266922
Then just don't do that? Like I'd get not being able to see Goodra in the same way after Slugfucker, but that seems kind of self made stupidity

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>>32266878
Both things are trivial. Just in different ways, but both trivial related to other content (actual game, story, mon, character, pokeart, pokemusic discussion and whatever), given the board we're on. Not sure where you got that idea from.

>>32266930
>Then just don't do that?

>have a -Atk/-Sp. Atk mon
>can't 2HKO shit anymore
>get annoyed at every NPC battle
There's no way I'm putting myself through that shit.

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Eh this place hasn't done anything to me desu. Ignoring the idiots and occasional weirdness, this place is pretty nice with giveaways and stuff.

Love ya draw friends!

>>32266983
Ignoring idiots? Sorry pal, You aren't part of the fanbase.

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>>32266992
I'm cool with that. Starter wars and some taking competitive much more seriously than usual is a smudge silly to watch.

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>>32266992
that doesn't make any sense

The opinions of vp/ affect a shit in my tastes.
I love Pokémon because it'ss a good and constant franchise. Mangas, Games, Merchandising, God-tier character and creatures design, even the anime (i love SM), i enjoy all of this and /vp/ in the most part too, that's why they all still come here, every day are at least one thread where you can apport something.
Even the shitposters and haters can't live without the franchise.

>>32267007
He's mocking this autist >>32266766

>>32267022
oh I see, I didn't bother reading that dumb exchange past the first two posts.

>>32267029
Probably smart. I feel stupid for having read all of it.

You know, I am sitting here thinking about what they're talking about, and yet, when XY ended, I stopped posting on a forum because I had literally nothing else to discuss. It wasn't for trying, but the instant I wanted to rant on about what my views of the pokeworld are, that is when I realized that it doesn't matter. And I had a lot to say about how the fandom refuses to let go of taking the games so literally. Although that mostly had to do with the matter that the only such people are on 4chan, and I would be told that other sectors of the fandom exist. Heck, even here, I might be told that, even if I know the vast majority DO think the games are the only thing about pokemon that exists.

Anyway, any effort to say my piece would be met with absolutely nothing. I am not saying that I want attention, but rather that it would be pointless. Truly, the only discussion worth anything is what pokemon you like or what pokemon games you like, and that is it. Nothing else truly exists. Do I want to discuss such things? Yes, but I know no one will listen. My only venue is fanfiction, and strangely enough, I think it's the same venue everyone else uses, too, and even for the same reason.

Sadly, there is no place for such thought. Fanfiction is not a discussion community, it's a doing community. However, I will also agree that that is what it should be, as discussing your ideas with someone else never ends well. In the end, only you can do what it is you want. Having a place where you can freely let out such musings is a novel idea on paper, but as I'm sure you've seen, it is a disastrous practice because there is a reason for the above: NO ONE IS EVER GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU.

So they are right that there is no other place for what they do, but they don't realize that what they DO want cannot exist, simply because of it's nature. At least I at last have an answer for why the art and fanfiction community is the only place I truly have peace.

Honestly I think this place made me hate the fanbase more than I would have if I never came across it. Then again, this is 4chan so I expected no less. On that note, I officially gave up on the series after Sun/Moon because I realised that I've outgrown the franchise. I don't get hyped by new Pokémon designs because they no longer appeal to me. I also realised that Game Freak can get away with putting in minimal effort because their games are guaranteed to sell millions no matter how badly they fuck up. Pokémon as a franchise is insanely overrated and as long as kids gobble it up it will never die. Competitive battling was the last thing that kept me interested but at some point I had enough of the clusterfuck, chaos and ridiculous tedium of it all.
I barely browse /vp/ any more because at least 90% of the threads are banal or childishly mundane. I got into new weeb franchises and so far I've been having a blast. I hang out on /v/ primarily and despite the fact that it's not any better than /vp/ there is a lot more variety in terms of thread content. If anyone else is on the fence about quitting the series I'd suggest thinking about what I said. You'll feel a lot better moving on if you find that it no longer appeals to you.

>>32264527
neck yourself

>>32264518
I still love Pokemon, I'm just not obsessed with it anymore. I feel kinda bad for the people here that have Pokemon as their ONLY thing.

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>>32267998
Wait, so you don't like /vp/, the games, or pokemon at all is what you're saying.
Why are you even here? I get you said you're barely around anymore, but it makes no sense you'd be here at all in the first place considering the disdain for the site and its topic of discussion you showed in your post. I'm not saying you have to like pokemon or anything along those lines, I just don't understand why you'd come to a place filled with people and stuff you don't like, discussing things you hate in ways that make you angry, to post about how you don't like these things and people. Such a waste of time.

>>32267998
I suppose I cannot stop you if that is the way you feel. There are plenty of things that could've been better. I still like the pokemon, though. Maybe because I learned I don't have to be satisfied by all of them. As long as I have a few I can like, I will continue to be satisfied.

>>32268026
ok anon
just for you

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>>32264518
I dont let /vp/ sway my decisions about a franchise i like