Would it be Uber if stealth rock didn't exist?

>Rockruff used rock throw

>Talonflame jizzed all over OU while revenge killing every Volcarona it can find.

>>32252857
What if Talonflame also became Uber?

>>32252862
Before the Gale Wings nerf? Probably. Bellow average stats not named Speed would hold it back though

>>32252830
No Stealth Rock would buff many flying types as well though.

>>32252830
Stealth rock was literally designed to keep Volcarona in check, so I think its safe to say that yes, it would.

>>32252830
No, but maybe it'd get suspect tested because it'd probably stand at the top of OU.

>>32252927
>Stealth rock was literally designed to keep Volcarona in check, so I think its safe to say that yes, it would.

A gen 4 move was designed to keep a gen 5 mon in check?

volcarona isn't even that good you fucking memers

its coverage is fucking ass and it has really bad 4mss

>>32252951
>bad coverage
>but good enough to have 4mss

>>32252951
>thinking 4mss is a bad thing

It gets stopped dead in its tracks by all the 101+ choice scarfers running around right now

>>32252957
it has to pick between 3 coverage moves all of which are kinda shitty

Drought would push volcarona

>>32252992
If Stealth Rocks go, Volcarona will be forced to run HP Rock on every moveset ever.

>Ho-Oh moves to Anything Goes forever and ever...

>>32253031
hp ground would still be arguably better

>>32253081
You'd want to hit opposing Volcarona and their Mega Charizard Y and their Talonflame and their Moltres and their Rotom-Heat for damage.

I have no doubt that all of them would be much more common in a SR free environment.

Just run bald Dugtrio for the Heatran.

>>32253134
Forgot to mention Gyarados, Pelipper and Mantine.

>>32252971
Have some walls to protect your sweeper

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>Volcarona gets Drought
>Mega Volcarona gets Serene Grace or Simple

>>32253316
>Xerneas gets a Mega Evolution that can only be activated while it knows Geomancy and doesn't requier a stone.
>Mega Xerneas has Simple.

>>32253316
Assuming a special attack of 165:
>+2 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey in Sun: 330-388 (51.4 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Jesus christ.

>>32253134
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Volcarona: 264-312 (84.8 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Inferno Overdrive (185 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-Y in Sun: 309-365 (104 - 122.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Rotom-H gives no shits about Z-Fire blast nor HP Rock, and Moltres is trash in OU even without rocks.

Really, HP electric for all of >>32253155 would probably be more effective, even though Mantine still eats one at +1 from full HP.
Alternately, Z-Hurricane has a chance to OHKO base-gyara and guarantees a KO on physdef Pelipper.

>>32252951
>its coverage is fucking ass
It gets Giga Drain to deal with its 4x weakness and it's one of the only Pokémon that you might end up being able to OHKO with a hidden power if Fiery Dance/Quiver have built up your SpA.

>>32252830
Without rocks to worry about, Volc could feasibly run a U-turn pivot set.

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>>32252905
>no stealth rock
>flying types are immune to every other hazard so they can switch at will barring pursuits
>and roost is widely distributed
>flying is only resisted by rock, steel and electric, which are universally wrecked by ground
>not to mention fighting and fire has become common coverage on flying types recently

The meta might be a very interesting place without stealth rock

>>32253542
I'm surprised smogon haven't implemented this to make their flying tiger of healthy OU more overpowered

>>32253576
Rocks make Landorus better, not worse.

>>32253576
>take away stealth rock from one of the best and most used rockers in the tier
>not to mention it only takes neutral damage anyways

what are you talking about

>>32253594
>not to mention Rocks make Ice-types less common
>not to mention more viable Flying-types means more competition for Landorus to fill that niche
>not to mention that U-turn / Intimidate pivoting becomes less effective when you can't throw rocks on the opposing side
>not to mention anon is a retarded moron

>>32253602
Unless your name is Weavile, snow slush Sandslash or scarfed Mamoswine, no ice type is gonna out speed HEALTHY META

>>32253576
Smogon and Stealth Rock can't go without eachother, dude.

>>32253612
>Jynx used Bitch Slap.
>Ninetales used Autism Beam.
>Cryogonal used Special Snowflake Stomp.
>Froslass used...

>>32253612
You forgot the best Ice-type in OU: Greninja.

>>32253602
>Rocks make Ice-types less common

ice types are uncommon because ice types are largely trash outside of like three of them, who have their own issues besides their SR weakness

>more viable Flying-types means more competition for Landorus to fill that niche

yeah i'm sure fearow is really going to creep up on landorus for that defensive pivot role

>U-turn / Intimidate pivoting becomes less effective when you can't throw rocks on the opposing side

except it will always be as effective when its typing and bulk let it blanket check physical threats

>>32252940
Duh

>>32253663
next level autism

>using ice types when water types exist