What caused Sun&Moon to die out so quickly?

>>32239212
threads like this being posted constantly.
also a disappointing lack of a postgame

>>32239212
>so quickly?
What do you mean so quickly? It's always like this.

dying trends.

Every game "dies out" after the first month or two your shitter. The casuals get bored and only the most dedicated fans are left. Pokemon is no exception.

>>32239234
It's been over 5 months already.

Great main game. Somehow less postgame content than oras but still more than xy.

>>32239249
>somehow
Could the answer be the fact that every first game of a gen is always lacking in that department

>>32239263
gen 2?

>>32239309
kanto doesn't count since the main game was purposefully made shittier
i personally count kanto as the main game

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>>32239249
>great

>>32239263
It could be that GF hates its fans.
Just a theory...

>>32239212
>die out
????
Explain

>>32239212
it's shit

>>32239212
>beat main game
>fuckall to do besides ultra beasts which are piss easy because beast balls
>no national pokedex so motivation to actually "catch 'em all" goes out the window even though I just banked a living pokedex into the game
I don't know if the last point is better or worse than copy/pasting the battle maison from XY to ORAS.

>>32240246

This.

>>32239241
SM died within days, dude. Lurantis' dump revealed a lot of lackluster shit.

>>32240246
/thread

Better games, final fantasy xv, nintendo switch hype etc..

>>32239249
>Somehow less postgame content than oras but still more than xy.
More like more than ORAS and about the same as XY.

>>32240792
>no national pokedex so motivation to actually "catch 'em all" goes out the window even though I just banked a living pokedex into the game
Also this, completing a Pokédex of 300 + event exclusives takes a lot less than completing a Pokédex of over 700 with several Pokémon unavailable in the game.

>>32239442
just like they did in 3, 4 and 5? damn

>>32240792
catch them all is a meme btw

>>32242455
Not that anon, but for me, a person who plays Pokémon and isn't all that into the competitive scene it was a thing I always tried to do. Now I'm finding that even with GTS it's very difficult to get some stuff that back in the days of XY, even before ORAS came out was very simple, and I think it has to do with people not willing to bring their stuff over since it's pointless, let alone trade.

I understand why GF might've decided to ditch the national dex in the games and keep it bank exclusive but not sure if it's making the game any favors in the long run.

>>32239263
B/W?

>>32242521
Yes? A few extra routes can only do so much

Honestly, I dropped the game immediately after Mallow's Trial.

I felt like it took too long to do anything. The time from encountering a wild Pokemon until actually hitting it, just too many cutscenes, and A LOT of talking. Ultimately, this lead me to avoid talking to NPCs in general because I wanted to actually do shit. Also, I felt like I wasn't on a journey, more like a field trip. I couldn't go 10 steps without Lillie, Hau, Kukui, or any of the other characters.

And let's talk characters. They are all too fucking nice. The only one I liked was Lillie because she was the only one that had a different personality. The game made me care less and less about what the characters had to say and found myself mashing the A button over and over again.

It sucks too because I was really hyped for this game, only to drop the game that early and sell my 3DS and games. I'll probably buy it again down the road, but to me it left a horrible impression on me.

no post-game and online is just a 100% inferior showdown that's slower and doesn't work on phones

the "online is your post-game" meme needs to end. I want Emerald/Platinum/HGSS/BW2 era back.

>>32242608
>The only one I liked was Lillie because she was the only one that had a different personality
She was nice too, but was also an autist.

>>32239249
I thought Oras and XY shared end game shit.

>>32242354
>final fantasy xv
people cared about that? Seems like the numbered Final Fantasy with the least exposure ever.

>>32242617
Yeah, but she wasn't unnatural about it. At least not in the beginning. At the start she was shy and shit.

Good question. I haven't played in over a month, and anytime I pick it up I get bored within the hour. Sure XY wasn't that great but I at least played through it a few times, With SM I played through once, restarted and got about halfway through and said fuck it.

It's just boring.

The constant cutscenes interrupt the flow of the game. It's not that the cutscenes are too long. It's just that instead of having you simply read dialogue you are forced to sit through a cutscene for the tiniest bits of information every 5 minutes. That hurts multiple playthroughs.

A lot of Alola mons being really lackluster is also a problem. For every A-Wak and A-Muk and Pheromosa you got shit like Guzzlord, A-Raticate, and Lurantis. Hell, Lurantis literally has no use outside of defogging and is worse than Servine, and A-Raticate is significantly worse than regular Raticate.

And then there's the way they bungled Mega Stones. Literally the worst fucking way. The latter half of the game with Poni Island basically felt unfinished. And the game leaked a whole week early, so people blew their load even quicker.

I still like S/M but you can see why the hype waned so fast.

>>32242648
>The constant cutscenes interrupt the flow of the game
Yeah the pacing of the story was simply awful.

>>32239212
Pretty much nothing to do in post game. Not into competitive gaming so I moved on to other games.

3 vs. 3 was pretty much all I did post game in XY/oras. Now I can't do it at all. Woops.

>>32239212
No NatDex

>>32242902
You can complain about the post game content and getting tired of the game through single player.
But I think this is the simplest, most disheartening problem with Sun and Moon. It may seem small and insignificant, but i personally feel like no National Dex makes it feel like there's no greater end goal to the post game. Which in the end, makes the whole thing seem more temporary.

>>32242648
>It's not that the cutscenes are too long
but they are

video games need to get to a point where cutscenes are necessary. they detract from the medium. i just started horizon zero dawn and the first hour is 90% cutscenes. they should the main character doing things you don't know how to do (killing dinobots) and then when it comes time for you to do that thing (kill dinobots) you aren't as good as the cutscene. the first time you kill a dinobot it should be a personal feat not a repeat of something you saw yourself do in a cutscene. the people making these games are complete morons.

>>32242932
When the story is getting on the way of enjoying the game then there's definitely something wrong, specially in a game like Pokémon were the story is rather simple.

Every fucking game dies out early without dlc or not a fully multi-player. You beat the story and that's it.

>>32242929
What goal is there when you transfer everything? Such a good post game

>>32243038
And even then, lack of national dex made that pointless and people who likes going fresh with the Pokémon they get won't get much to do either.

>>32239212
No national dex

>>32243131
so the transfering is good post game?
i swear /vp/ will never stop not making sense to me

>>32243481
It isn't. In general I don't move over Pokémon across generations.

>>32239226
>also a disappointing lack of a postgame
It's the best of any first game in the series and more than any remake except for HGSS had. End this meme.

Can anyone tell me why people disliking something somehow make it not exist?

It's not dead, retards. fick off

>>32243657
Thicc off

The battle tree wasn't hax enough outside of multis.

>>32243552
It has a Battle Tower, the Battle Royal, and a catch-a-thon mission that's done in like 15 minutes and cannot be repeated. Even Ruby and Sapphire had better post-game than this. Stop baiting.

>>32239212
I still play it.

>>32243688
well what did R/S have? :^)

>>32242648
The cutscenes are directed badly that's why they feel long. You could just cut half of running scenes and it would be much better.

>>32239263
But Sun and Moon are lacking way more than previous first games have (bar XY). Ruby and Sapphire would've had just about the same amount of post-game had the Battle Royal not been so exceptionally shit. Diamond and Pearl had everything Ruby and Sapphire had but added loads more, like the Underground and a ton of post-game areas. Black and White are probably the first-of-a-generation games that had the best post-game content, despite not having more than DP.

But XY and SM literally only have a Battle Tower and a Looker mission. That's it.

>>32243688
You missed:
>rebuilding plaza
>Eevee mission
>Guzma Battle
>getting Null
>Getting Zygarde

>>32243699
There's also more areas, festival plaza, better battle tower in S/M
Post game routes amount to jack shit if they have nothing do in them, just breeze through and use fly from there onwards

>>32243713
>rebuilding plaza
Can be done anytime really.

>Eevee mission
Now that's something.

>Guzma Battle
A single battle...

>getting Null
Just go and talk to a NPC

>Getting Zygarde
Not really post-game.

>>32243732
and now for your ruby and sapphire list, please

>>32243688
Well that's more than BW at least.

>>32243740
Ruby/Sapphire are shit but let's not pretend Sun/Moon are nothing special, in terms of post-game content it isn't than much better than XY.

>>32243718
Anon festival plaza should never be used as a positive point ever when it's a complete downgrade of join avenue...hell sun and moon doesn't even have o-powers for some asinine reason.

Pokepelago deserves props though.

>>32243776
>let's not pretend Sun/Moon are nothing special
We're not, that's not even the point here.

>>32243778
>when it's a complete downgrade of join avenue.
So?

>>32243732
Some parts of Zygarde are only obtainable after league.

As I progressed through this easy-mode, cut-scene riddled monstrosity for the first time ever I felt silly being an adult, playing a kids game.

>>32243799
could the reason be that this was the first time you actually were an adult, mr. underage

>>32243785
Festival plaza is complete trash, deal with it.

>>32243827
I didn't ask for your opinions

>>32243799
>easy mode

this is a dumb meme. The only game harder is gen 5

>>32243778
It's still a feature no matter how bad it is.
I miss JA as well.

>>32243894
>le SM is hard meme
git gud

>>32243943
Except I beat it already. Nice ad hom, tho.

>>32243948
if you seriously think SM is hard then you need to play a game like dark souls.

>>32243955
dark sols is for pretentious hipster cucks. So it's perfect for you

>>32243955
He means it's harder than most pokemon games, which is true, even with the xp share on.

>>32243894
SM isn't hard.

>>32244044
yes it is

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>>32239212
>Got the game on the day of release
>Still on the volcano area of the 2ed Island
I don't know why, but I just hate the game.

>>32239212
same barren postgame third time in a row

i also suspect people are slowly getting bored of competitive

>>32239234
not really
not even post-oras was this dead (just a little over 500 archived threads right now)

>>32242612
this, 100x this

just bring third versions/sequels back, they always seemed to have shit to do

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>>32244044
If you think 7th is hard, play 4th. 7th babies you through the game and it is painful to deal with.

>>32239212
>lack of a postgame
Oh boy is this for real? I haven't played SM yet but holy shit that sounds kinda shit

>>32242377
>More like more than ORAS and about the same as XY.
What do you define as postgame exactly? Because this statement is all kinds of wrong.

>>32245503
don't bother finishing it, just play a good game instead

>>32242837
Ditto. My Mono-rock team *obliterated* in 3v3 xy / ORAS, but online in SM just isn't as good.

Festival plaza is a mistake.

>>32243740
If you're going beyond post game
>bases
>contests
>trick house
>battle tower
>regi hunt
>game corner
And most importantly the ability to rematch trainers.

>>32245503
shitty pacing and no sense of freedom. its just "hey go here, here's a cutscene for 10 minutes"

>>32245612
It's got about as much postgame as XY, by that I mean it has an hour of postgame at best, and a battle facility that's somehow worse than the Maison for its lack of Triple and Rotation battles.

I wanted to like Gen 7 so fucking much but Game Freak isn't interested in making a game people actually want to play. Even my little cousins were complaining to me that it feels like they can't make any progress because the game won't leave them alone.

I feel like the franchise is going to die on the Switch, honestly.

>>32242837
you mean triple battles? because battle spot singles is still 3v3

>>32245744
Don't forget no battle institute either.

>>32245444
maybe if you're a child playing pokemon for the first time

even if then, its unlikely it would be difficult for a child to play through, let alone a veteran of the series

>>32245794
Nice ad hom, queer

You got btfo now kys

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>remove features fans loved in previous games
>"heh you guy rike new pikachu forme/z-crystal/shitty gimmick?

>>32245800
why do you have to be mad?


not everyone can be good at pokemon despite how hilariously easy it has always been

>>32239212
Shit, at least with ORAS and XY I could grind without wanting to kill myself. I don't even want to train my Pokemon in SM. That's a problem.

XY were the first gen 6 games and the first games that made breeding relatively easy. Plus friend safari's were quite interesting. Gen 6 had the theme of getting all the pokemon. I don't knwo what Gen 7 wants to do besides VGC doubles with all their Tapus and slowmons.

>>32245824
>HURR DURR U LE MAD XXXXDDDDD

kys

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>>32245850
not even him but calm down faggot

>>32245873
>not even him

okay, (((frog)))poster

I know /vp/ hates most Megas, but I personally thought Z-moves were a very anti-climactic followup to Mega forms, and things should have developed the other way around.

It is especially stupid how they made official entries for Megas that seem retcon most of them into being self harming berserker modes, as if they were trying to guilt people into moving on to Z-moves.

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>>32245850
Way to prove you're mad anon

>>32245850
you got some issues kid

>>32245882
sperging faggot

>>32245897
>>32245901
>>32245904
i bet you feel like real big man ganging up on me like a bunch of thugs

>>32245885
>It is especially stupid how they made official entries for Megas that seem retcon most of them into being self harming berserker modes

It's just that Rotom is an edgelord and fills it out as he sees fit. Atleast that's what I believe.

There are a lot of entries that are just plain edgy as fuck.

>>32245907
lol its only the internet dont take it so seriously


stay mad

>>32245648
Im playing persona 5 and nier, not childish stupid pokeymans

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>>32245907
Cry more

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>>32245916
>weebshit

>>32245914
>>32245919

I will stay mad that that facts and maturity are killed GAY FUCKING faggots like you. i hope drumpf deports you ISIS you fucking stupid ass punk

>>32239263
Yes, but now there's the possibility that we won't get a third SM game just like what happened for XY

Pokemon is pegi 7

>>32245911
He's also a lazy edgelord, won't fucking document a full national dex.

>>32245926
Pokemon is literally just as weeb as Persona, and Nier is less weeb than ether series.

>>32245933
that's not relevant though

>>32245968
>Pokemon is literally just as weeb as Persona
>literally 70% of Persona since 3 has been shitty dates and VN-lites

>>32245968
Yeah nice try weeb. Your denial is pretty clear
can't handle being a weeb cuck without driving others into the same shit?

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>>32245980
>weeb cuck

Pokemon is the only franchise I see where a new installment removes features, and loved ones at that, and people praise it for it.

What is wrong with Pokemon fans?

>>32245979
>VN-lites
Not even. Just a wannabe anime. A direction Pokemon just took with Pokemon. Dating is literally the only appeal to Otaku missing from Pokemon.

Problem was the early leak and faggots uploading shit to youtube and it was in your recommended if you watched sun moon trailers and they named the titles as ultraspace lusamine battle with tentacle lusamine in the thumbnail. So even while watching other videos you got fucked by the recommended tab so we went in 100% spoiled

>>32245744
So it has as much postgame as BW. Eh.

>>32246024
Still has less on account of no Triples, rotation, institute and less postgame exploration in general.

>>32245444
Maybe you don't have a fucking clue on how type match ups work.

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>>32246107
i can post meme pics too, gaylord

>>32246079
>use fire attack
>win because 90 spdef
Wow.

>>32246054
but they constantly remind you which moves are effective or not during the middle of a battle before you even attack

>>32246118
>deleting messages on an anonymous message board

lol How literally underage can one person be?

>>32239212
I dunno maybe being the worst generation and the one that finally made me stop playing pokemon

>>32246125
Yeah, too bad there were no fire types beforehand.

>>32246160
Exactly. SM isn't hard.

>>32246160
Not if you encounter it for the first time.

>>32246191
It's harder than 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6. Fuck off

>>32246205
how can a game be hard if it tells you the weakness of your opponent?

>>32246191
Pokemon games were never hard. It's for kids

>>32246222
>muh weeknisis

Do you know how stats work?

>>32246190
Except for, you know
Litten
Growlithe
Magby
and Salandit

Hell you could even use that shiny new Firium Z you get prior.

>>32246205
>It's harder than 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6. Fuck off
Sure anon, whatever you say.

>>32246226
Right, even for Pokémon game standards SM isn't hard.

>>32242612
Here's to hoping for a Gen 4/Gen 5 dsiware release with online functionality

>>32246254
In game it doesn't really make much of a difference, competitively yes it matters, but in game you can brute force your way throught the trials and other important battles.

>litten
Didn't have it
>growlith
Lel, physical fire type
>magby
Babbymon that doesnt evolve until the 30s
>salandit
80 percent cant evolve

WOOOOW!
>>32246294
>doesnt make a difference
>Lurantis outspeeds everything
>oneshots with solar blade

>HURR DONT USE WATER/GROUND/ROCK

I didnt

>>32246282
Except is is

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>>32239212
There is nothing to do after you beat the game. The game wasn't good enough play it twice.

Both Singles and Doubles battling this generation is pretty boring. I don't know; I'm just not feeling it.

>>32243552
Ate you kidding me, the post game Island in DP was more than SM

>>32246316
I defeated Lurantis with a Growlithe, it kept spamming Solar Blade. The game isn't hard unless you're a retard.

>>32246358
>shit that never happened

My trumbeak kept dying to it. Lie some more.

Also, nice ad hom

>>32246316
>>litten
>Didn't have it
>>growlith
>Lel, physical fire type
>>magby
>Babbymon that doesnt evolve until the 30s
>>salandit
>80 percent cant evolve
So basically you gimped yourself.
I mean you can even get an intimidate Growlithe to fuck over that Physical Lurantis and then blast it with a Z move.

Why did you pick Lurantis anyway? I mean, you could have picked Mimikyu where it's ability makes it somewhat problematic.

>>32246390
>i'm a retard so you're lying
Maybe you should let the adults talk.

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>>32246433
>0 Atk Lurantis Solar Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Growlithe: 38-45 (65.5 - 77.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

L Y I N G
Y
I
N
G

>>32246427
see
>>32246455

>>32246427
>>32246433
also, it can summon a trumbeak WITH ROCK BLAST, a ROCK TYPE MOVE!

>>32246390
I defeated Lurantis with an overleveled Magneton.

>>32246499
It can, doesn't mean it had a chance.

>>32246512
>overleveled

That's why

>people resorting to lying and make up stuff to shit on a game
Hilarious.

>>32246512
I transfered an Arceus and easily stomped the game.

>>32246521
Unless you killed it one hit (you didnt) it had a chance

>>32246523
>>people resorting to lying and make up stuff to defend a game
Hilarious.

>>32246533
Except that
>>32246455
Doesn't look much of a lie, faggot.

>>32246455
>>32246474
>>32246540
If you're going to do a calc do it right

>-1 0 Atk Lurantis Solar Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Growlithe: 24-29 (40.6 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Intimidate bitch.

And this Growlithe has the minimum requirements of survival when it comes to IVs 5HP and 21 Defense at level 23. Keep in mind you're also going to have EVs backing it up too but here both are set to 0 for convenience

And on the other side.
>0 Atk Growlithe Fire Fang vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lurantis: 26-32 (34.6 - 42.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
>0 Atk Growlithe Inferno Overdrive (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lurantis: 48-56 (64 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
At 0 Attack IVs

Seriously unless you're a retard Growlithe will work wonders.

>>32246557
Well minimum for 3HKO
At 0 HP and Defense it's a straight up 2.

I only see in this thread faggots who think that bitching over a objectively good game would change the feels who other people can have about it.
Poor /vp/, people i think that this threads needs to finish because they are a blackholes of eternal autism.

>>32246540
lmao you're a fucking moron

no wonder you find S/M hard

>>32246565
>objectively good game


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>32245979
True persona kill SMT for me.
Fucking game for normies and otakus.

>>32239212
Lack of continued playability. You finish the UB quest, and then what? It has zero permanence, nothing like contests, safari zone, side-games or hidden areas to keep it interesting. The post game is either battle tree or the shitty, unworkable online where you have to jump through 5000 hoops just to get a proper 6v6 with anyone.

>>32246583
Well i know that you probably are trying to make the Hahahaha an argument.
Sorry for me means nothing.

>>32246565
>"Good"
>Objective quality

Pick one, anon. Good is just a measurement of enjoyment, a game can be good to you and not good to someone else. Something objective would be more along the lines of "The top half of Voltorb is red", absolute fact.

>>32246528
But I didn't transfer the Magneton, in fact I don't think I've ever used that line until I played Moon.

In fact that's something weird about these games too, I found myself using older Pokémon that I rarely, or never used, more than the new ones, that didn't happen in previous generations.

>>32246617
Not him but good and bad in this context is a measure of the quality of the subject matter while everyone can have their opinions there are elements, changes etc that can make something objective in either direction.

Sun and Moon lean more towards the bad when looking at it.

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>>32246630
That's because the new ones are nigh impossible to find. Who thought slapping a 1-5% encounter rate on most of the new mons except for shitmons like Yungoos and Rattata-A was a good idea?

>>32246605
i dont need to provide an argument because its clear as day that you have extremely poor taste in games

its just hilarious how clueless you are about it

>>32246652
I suppose you could argue that objectively, Sun and Moon have, say, less explorable areas if you put the time into counting them, but that doesn't make it objectively bad. It is a very valid point you could use while arguing why you feel it's bad, though.

>>32246557
>trumbeak used rock blast

>>32246710
I'm the anon who posted the objectively thing posts ago, i know what do you mean sorry if i use that word to describe personal tastes.
I think that SM are the games (and i play a lot every year) who i most enjoy in years.
I know that has flaws but for me are less than the good points.

Also i don't take the tastes of /vp/ seriously because they are the class of people who thinks that hgss is a good game because they have the battle frontier and oras a bad game because they have the battle mansion copy-pasted from oras when the battle frontier of hgss is copy-pasted from platinum and at least in oras they made a breed island. I know Oras was bad but the most used argument is the most weak of all.

>>32246828
>he enjoys S/M and thinks HGSS wasnt any good


yikes

>>32246828
Well, at least you admit it's not objective. I respect your opinion, anon.

>>32246794
>needs five hits to kill reliably

Oh and by the way first mon is always Castform so unless you kill it first you're never going to encounter Trumbeak and it also uses Sunny Day so realistically it'd be more like this for Growlithe.
>0 Atk Growlithe Fire Fang vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lurantis in Sun: 38-48 (50.6 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>0 Atk Growlithe Inferno Overdrive (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lurantis in Sun: 68-84 (90.6 - 112%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
And on top of that Growlithe outspeeds Lurantis.

Castform only has Headbutt, Weather Ball and Water Gun too so
>0 SpA Castform Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Growlithe in Sun: 24-29 (36.9 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
>0 SpA Castform Water Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Growlithe in Sun: 8-10 (12.3 - 15.3%) -- possible 7HKO
Had to drop it to 40BP
>0 Atk Castform Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Growlithe: 17-20 (26.1 - 30.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

Seriously you're just proving you're shit at the game.

Reminder that each time you say the game is hard you make the following games easier.

>>32246894
>>32246894
>>>32246794 (You)
>>needs five hits to kill reliably
Not after solar blade takes half your health
>Oh and by the way first mon is always Castform so unless you kill it first you're never going to encounter Trumbeak and it also uses Sunny Day so realistically it'd be more like this for Growlithe.
>>0 Atk Growlithe Fire Fang vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lurantis in Sun: 38-48 (50.6 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>0 Atk Growlithe Inferno Overdrive (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lurantis in Sun: 68-84 (90.6 - 112%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
>And on top of that Growlithe outspeeds Lurantis.
Not after totem boost
>Castform only has Headbutt, Weather Ball and Water Gun too so
>>0 SpA Castform Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Growlithe in Sun: 24-29 (36.9 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
If done after growlithe takes damage from solar blade, growlithe dies

>Seriously you're just proving you're shit at the game.

Nice ad hom

>>32247142
>being this desperate to prove that you don't suck at pokemon


lol

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>>32247171
get a life autist seriously

>>32247187
>HURR IF YOO LIEKS TEH SOOMO U AM LE AWTEEST DAT HAZ LE NO LIEF XXXXDDD

Come back when learn to be a mature intellectual like me

>>32247251
So a raging retard?

Everyone remade their collection in 6th gen thanks to all the changes and 7th gen didn't add many new mons so there's not as much to breed.

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>>32247187
>HURR IF YOO LIEKS TEH SOOMO U AM LE RAYJEENG RETURD XDD

Come back when learn to be a mature intellectual like me

>>32247142
https://youtu.be/rmp21bbuEwc

>>32239249
Nah at least XY had the Amie and Super Training to make me come back from time to time

>>32247630
Well to be honest, SM still has Amie and gave it a post battle utility.